Leaders of The Linux Movement In Action. See Them Here!

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Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. SeeThem Here!

On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf of
> Micoshaft Corporation:
>
> > 7 wrote:
>
> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>
> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
> > Frank
>
> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER DAY.
>
> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
> and install anywhere.
>

Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> writes:

> On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf of
>> Micoshaft Corporation:
>>
>> > 7 wrote:
>>
>> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
>> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>>
>> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
>> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
>> > Frank
>>
>> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
>> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER DAY.
>>
>> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
>> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
>> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
>> and install anywhere.
>>
>
> Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
> flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
>

Except as he has been told before, the PS3 does not use Linux.
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

Hadron wrote:

> cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf of
>>> Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>
>>> > 7 wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
>>> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>>>
>>> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
>>> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
>>> > Frank
>>>
>>> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
>>> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER DAY.
>>>
>>> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
>>> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
>>> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
>>> and install anywhere.
>>>
>>
>> Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
>> flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
>>
>
> Except as he has been told before, the PS3 does not use Linux.

Except it does, and the linux version for it is activly suported by Sony
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Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

Peter Köhlmann . writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf of
>>>> Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>
>>>> > 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
>>>> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>>>>
>>>> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
>>>> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
>>>> > Frank
>>>>
>>>> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
>>>> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER DAY.
>>>>
>>>> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
>>>> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
>>>> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
>>>> and install anywhere.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
>>> flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
>>>
>>
>> Except as he has been told before, the PS3 does not use Linux.
>
> Except it does, and the linux version for it is activly suported by
> Sony

Link please to source story for the stock PS3 acting as a PS3 (e.g game
machine) running Linux please.

Note : it being able to RUN Linux is another issue. The PS3 you buy does
not run Linux to the best of my knowledge.

I don't mind being corrected.
 
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Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

Hadron wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann . writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>>> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf
>>>>> of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>>
>>>>> > 7 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
>>>>> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
>>>>> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
>>>>> > Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
>>>>> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER
>>>>> DAY.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
>>>>> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
>>>>> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
>>>>> and install anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
>>>> flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Except as he has been told before, the PS3 does not use Linux.
>>
>> Except it does, and the linux version for it is activly suported by
>> Sony
>
> Link please to source story for the stock PS3 acting as a PS3 (e.g game
> machine) running Linux please.

Google it yourself, Hadron Quark

> Note : it being able to RUN Linux is another issue. The PS3 you buy does
> not run Linux to the best of my knowledge.

"To the best of your knowledge" isn't very much, indeed

> I don't mind being corrected.

You do. All the time
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Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hadron
<hadronquark@googlemail.com>
wrote
on Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:06:49 +0100
<fo7d75$2cu$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
> Peter Köhlmann . writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>>> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf of
>>>>> Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>>
>>>>> > 7 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
>>>>> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
>>>>> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
>>>>> > Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
>>>>> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER DAY.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
>>>>> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
>>>>> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
>>>>> and install anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
>>>> flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Except as he has been told before, the PS3 does not use Linux.
>>
>> Except it does, and the linux version for it is activly suported by
>> Sony
>
> Link please to source story for the stock PS3 acting as a PS3 (e.g game
> machine) running Linux please.
>
> Note : it being able to RUN Linux is another issue. The PS3 you buy does
> not run Linux to the best of my knowledge.
>
> I don't mind being corrected.

There are several responses to this.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_3
suggests that one can get a copy of Yellow Dog Linux and
install it on an otherwise unmodified PS3.

[2] The installation obviously counts as a modification,
though I'm not sure of the warranty implications.
(Presumably, there aren't any it's just another piece
of software.)

[3] Clearly, the native PS3 OS is not Linux. I've no
idea what it is, precisely, but the issues appear vaguely
similar to those of the Amiga, long ago the Amiga's native
Exec/Workbench was, after all, not Linux, yet Amiga can
run a variant of Linux without much difficulty.

[4] It is far from clear whether Yellow Dog, running on a
PS3, can access the PS3's display or sound capabilities,
or how many.

[5] The PS3 OS is probably not under GPL, and therefore
unaffected by its capability of installing a GPL, LGPL,
or other such software component thereon.

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Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> writes:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hadron
> <hadronquark@googlemail.com>
> wrote
> on Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:06:49 +0100
> <fo7d75$2cu$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>> Peter Köhlmann . writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf of
>>>>>> Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > 7 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
>>>>>> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
>>>>>> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
>>>>>> > Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
>>>>>> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER DAY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
>>>>>> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
>>>>>> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
>>>>>> and install anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
>>>>> flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Except as he has been told before, the PS3 does not use Linux.
>>>
>>> Except it does, and the linux version for it is activly suported by
>>> Sony
>>
>> Link please to source story for the stock PS3 acting as a PS3 (e.g game
>> machine) running Linux please.
>>
>> Note : it being able to RUN Linux is another issue. The PS3 you buy does
>> not run Linux to the best of my knowledge.
>>
>> I don't mind being corrected.
>
> There are several responses to this.

All of which confirm what I said. Thank you.

>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_3
> suggests that one can get a copy of Yellow Dog Linux and
> install it on an otherwise unmodified PS3.

So you agree with me.

>
> [2] The installation obviously counts as a modification,
> though I'm not sure of the warranty implications.
> (Presumably, there aren't any it's just another piece
> of software.)
>
> [3] Clearly, the native PS3 OS is not Linux. I've no
> idea what it is, precisely, but the issues appear vaguely
> similar to those of the Amiga, long ago the Amiga's native
> Exec/Workbench was, after all, not Linux, yet Amiga can
> run a variant of Linux without much difficulty.

And again.

>
> [4] It is far from clear whether Yellow Dog, running on a
> PS3, can access the PS3's display or sound capabilities,
> or how many.

It can not access the core GPU.

>
> [5] The PS3 OS is probably not under GPL, and therefore
> unaffected by its capability of installing a GPL, LGPL,
> or other such software component thereon.

And again.
 
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Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hadron
<hadronquark@googlemail.com>
wrote
on Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:52:01 +0100
<fo7qd4$41d$3@registered.motzarella.org>:
> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> writes:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hadron
>> <hadronquark@googlemail.com>
>> wrote
>> on Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:06:49 +0100
>> <fo7d75$2cu$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>>> Peter Köhlmann . writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 3, 6:25 pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Micoshaft's spliffing Asstroturfer Frank wrote fraudulently on behalf of
>>>>>>> Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > 7 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> Linux is free to copy and install on every PC you want.
>>>>>>> >> It comes with source code and the license is free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Yeah and ever wonder why no one...and I mean no one wants it?
>>>>>>> > That makes you one of the clueless one's loser.
>>>>>>> > Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux is expanding at the rate of 1 million to 2 million new
>>>>>>> users per month. Linux sells 1 million+ embedded Linux devices PER DAY.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ever wondered whats in a PS3? or your router or your Flat TV or
>>>>>>> your MP3/MP4 players? Most of the electronics in your electronics
>>>>>>> store contain Linux. Why? Because Linux is free to copy
>>>>>>> and install anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the source code for the PS3 should be available correct? Or my
>>>>>> flatscreen tv? Or my mp3/mp4 player?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except as he has been told before, the PS3 does not use Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Except it does, and the linux version for it is activly suported by
>>>> Sony
>>>
>>> Link please to source story for the stock PS3 acting as a PS3 (e.g game
>>> machine) running Linux please.
>>>
>>> Note : it being able to RUN Linux is another issue. The PS3 you buy does
>>> not run Linux to the best of my knowledge.
>>>
>>> I don't mind being corrected.
>>
>> There are several responses to this.
>
> All of which confirm what I said. Thank you.
>
>>
>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_3
>> suggests that one can get a copy of Yellow Dog Linux and
>> install it on an otherwise unmodified PS3.
>
> So you agree with me.
>
>>
>> [2] The installation obviously counts as a modification,
>> though I'm not sure of the warranty implications.
>> (Presumably, there aren't any it's just another piece
>> of software.)
>>
>> [3] Clearly, the native PS3 OS is not Linux. I've no
>> idea what it is, precisely, but the issues appear vaguely
>> similar to those of the Amiga, long ago the Amiga's native
>> Exec/Workbench was, after all, not Linux, yet Amiga can
>> run a variant of Linux without much difficulty.
>
> And again.
>
>>
>> [4] It is far from clear whether Yellow Dog, running on a
>> PS3, can access the PS3's display or sound capabilities,
>> or how many.
>
> It can not access the core GPU.
>
>>
>> [5] The PS3 OS is probably not under GPL, and therefore
>> unaffected by its capability of installing a GPL, LGPL,
>> or other such software component thereon.
>
> And again.

Absent more information I have to agree with you. PS3 is
*not a Linux machine*. It is a machine that can be
modified to run Linux. (The modifications do not involve
hardware or firmware, fortunately, unlike the XBox, which
required unauthorized modifications in order for hackers
to gain sufficient access to attempt Linux at all. Note
that one might consider a Windows-based PC system "modified"
in its own right if one installs Linux on it, using this
logic.)

If someone can refute all this, be my guest, but the
issues are similar to the Amiga, which had a beautiful OS
of its own but which can also run Linux, after a fashion.
(Very slowly, compared to today's machines the best I
could do with the A3000 is about 6 Bogomips. Not the
fastest dog in the kennel, nowadays. Also, the loading
sequence might require that the existing OS be booted
first Commodore's boot system was fairly elegant but not
quite compatible with GRUB.)

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The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> writes:
> Absent more information I have to agree with you. PS3 is
> *not a Linux machine*. It is a machine that can be
> modified to run Linux. (The modifications do not involve
> hardware or firmware, fortunately, unlike the XBox, which
> required unauthorized modifications in order for hackers
> to gain sufficient access to attempt Linux at all. Note
> that one might consider a Windows-based PC system "modified"
> in its own right if one installs Linux on it, using this
> logic.)
>
> If someone can refute all this, be my guest, but the
> issues are similar to the Amiga, which had a beautiful OS
> of its own but which can also run Linux, after a fashion.
> (Very slowly, compared to today's machines the best I
> could do with the A3000 is about 6 Bogomips. Not the
> fastest dog in the kennel, nowadays. Also, the loading
> sequence might require that the existing OS be booted
> first Commodore's boot system was fairly elegant but not
> quite compatible with GRUB.)

I'm sure Peter Koehlmann will prove us both wrong. He has gone on record
as saying that the PS3 is indeed a Linux machine.
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

Peter Köhlmann . writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> writes:
>>> Absent more information I have to agree with you. PS3 is
>>> *not a Linux machine*. It is a machine that can be
>>> modified to run Linux. (The modifications do not involve
>>> hardware or firmware, fortunately, unlike the XBox, which
>>> required unauthorized modifications in order for hackers
>>> to gain sufficient access to attempt Linux at all. Note
>>> that one might consider a Windows-based PC system "modified"
>>> in its own right if one installs Linux on it, using this
>>> logic.)
>>>
>>> If someone can refute all this, be my guest, but the
>>> issues are similar to the Amiga, which had a beautiful OS
>>> of its own but which can also run Linux, after a fashion.
>>> (Very slowly, compared to today's machines the best I
>>> could do with the A3000 is about 6 Bogomips. Not the
>>> fastest dog in the kennel, nowadays. Also, the loading
>>> sequence might require that the existing OS be booted
>>> first Commodore's boot system was fairly elegant but not
>>> quite compatible with GRUB.)
>>
>> I'm sure Peter Koehlmann will prove us both wrong. He has gone on record
>> as saying that the PS3 is indeed a Linux machine.
>
> It is. Just install the (Sony supported) linux and it is one

No. It is not.

It CAN run Linux. But it, as a product, is NOT a Linux machine in any
shape nor form.

Give it up Peter you vile,lying, misleading, bottom feeding, pond
dwelling low life.
 
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Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> No. It is not.
>
> It CAN run Linux. But it, as a product, is NOT a Linux machine in any
> shape nor form.
>
> Give it up Peter you vile,lying, misleading, bottom feeding, pond
> dwelling low life.

Why do you guys bother to keep going around in circles on this
topic? It is obvious you are working from different definitions
of 'Linux machine'. To Hadron it evidently means a system that
comes with Linux standard. To Rex it obviously means a system
*capable* of running Linux. By one definition almost no
system is a Linux machine and by the other almost every system
is. You are both right... and wrong... and getting very
repetitive. >)

Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.
 
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thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com writes:

> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No. It is not.
>>
>> It CAN run Linux. But it, as a product, is NOT a Linux machine in any
>> shape nor form.
>>
>> Give it up Peter you vile,lying, misleading, bottom feeding, pond
>> dwelling low life.
>
> Why do you guys bother to keep going around in circles on this
> topic? It is obvious you are working from different definitions
> of 'Linux machine'. To Hadron it evidently means a system that
> comes with Linux standard. To Rex it obviously means a system
> *capable* of running Linux. By one definition almost no
> system is a Linux machine and by the other almost every system
> is. You are both right... and wrong... and getting very
> repetitive. >)

No.

The PS3 is NOT a Linux machine. This is very simple to understand. The
PS3 is a machine with it#s own OS. This OS is not Linux.

The PS3 CAN RUN Linux.

It is NOT a Linux machine.

It really is that simple.

I can put a bmw engine into a Rover, but it doesn't make the Rover a BMW
I am afraid.
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:36:58 -0600, thad05 wrote:

> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No. It is not.
>>
>> It CAN run Linux. But it, as a product, is NOT a Linux machine in any
>> shape nor form.
>>
>> Give it up Peter you vile,lying, misleading, bottom feeding, pond
>> dwelling low life.
>
> Why do you guys bother to keep going around in circles on this
> topic? It is obvious you are working from different definitions
> of 'Linux machine'. To Hadron it evidently means a system that
> comes with Linux standard. To Rex it obviously means a system
> *capable* of running Linux. By one definition almost no
> system is a Linux machine and by the other almost every system
> is. You are both right... and wrong... and getting very
> repetitive. >)
>

Hardon for one likes to argue on about nothing endlessly. Keeps him busy
in an otherwise pitiful existence.
 
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In article <fo80sv$e9u$3@registered.motzarella.org>,
Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>I can put a bmw engine into a Rover, but it doesn't make the Rover a BMW

It makes it a Bover! Or maybe a RoMW...
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> No.
>
> The PS3 is NOT a Linux machine. This is very simple to understand. The
> PS3 is a machine with it#s own OS. This OS is not Linux.
>
> The PS3 CAN RUN Linux.
>
> It is NOT a Linux machine.
>
> It really is that simple.
>
> I can put a bmw engine into a Rover, but it doesn't make the Rover a BMW
> I am afraid.

So given that definition, is a standard desktop PC a Linux machine?
What about a Sun workstation? Considering just about every major
Linux capable computer platform I can think of was originally
developed with some other OS in mind... what exactly qualifies as a
'Linux machine?'

Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.
 
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<thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com> wrote in message
news:pmfk75-uk6.ln1@tux.glaci.com...
> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No.
>>
>> The PS3 is NOT a Linux machine. This is very simple to understand. The
>> PS3 is a machine with it#s own OS. This OS is not Linux.
>>
>> The PS3 CAN RUN Linux.
>>
>> It is NOT a Linux machine.
>>
>> It really is that simple.
>>
>> I can put a bmw engine into a Rover, but it doesn't make the Rover a BMW
>> I am afraid.
>


Note: By the definition above a PS2, XBox and XBox360 are *ALL* linux
machines because linux is available for them.


> So given that definition, is a standard desktop PC a Linux machine?
If you turn it on and it automatically boots into Linux then yes. If you can
only get linux by booting from a LiveCD (or equiv.) then no. Don't ask about
dual-booting.


> What about a Sun workstation?
A Solaris machine. If SunOS has been overwritten with Linux then it's now a
Linux machine.


> Considering just about every major Linux capable computer platform I can
> think of was originally developed with some other OS in mind... what
> exactly
> qualifies as a 'Linux machine?'

The "native" OS that the machine runs in it's current form. A standard XBox
can be made to run linux. Would you call that a Linux machine? Probably not.

If someone has a laptop that is "capable" of running Linux except that Linux
has never been installed on that machine and it runs nothing other than
Windows then it's a Windows machine... not a Linux machine. If someone else
took their laptop and wiped the hard drive and installed Linux and that's
the primary OS on the computer that would be a linux machine.





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Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net> writes:

> On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:36:58 -0600, thad05 wrote:
>
>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No. It is not.
>>>
>>> It CAN run Linux. But it, as a product, is NOT a Linux machine in any
>>> shape nor form.
>>>
>>> Give it up Peter you vile,lying, misleading, bottom feeding, pond
>>> dwelling low life.
>>
>> Why do you guys bother to keep going around in circles on this
>> topic? It is obvious you are working from different definitions
>> of 'Linux machine'. To Hadron it evidently means a system that
>> comes with Linux standard. To Rex it obviously means a system
>> *capable* of running Linux. By one definition almost no
>> system is a Linux machine and by the other almost every system
>> is. You are both right... and wrong... and getting very
>> repetitive. >)
>>
>
> Hardon for one likes to argue on about nothing endlessly. Keeps him busy
> in an otherwise pitiful existence.
>

Meat, welcome to COLA. You belong here.
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com writes:

> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No.
>>
>> The PS3 is NOT a Linux machine. This is very simple to understand. The
>> PS3 is a machine with it#s own OS. This OS is not Linux.
>>
>> The PS3 CAN RUN Linux.
>>
>> It is NOT a Linux machine.
>>
>> It really is that simple.
>>
>> I can put a bmw engine into a Rover, but it doesn't make the Rover a BMW
>> I am afraid.
>
> So given that definition, is a standard desktop PC a Linux machine?

A "standard PC" is not a Linux machine unless Linux is installed on it.

Are you having some sort of difficulty with such an easy to understand issue?

or do you think that any HW that CAN run linux should be counted as a
Linux machine?

They are potential linux platforms. But *POTENTIAL* does not equal
"is". Otherwise Linux machines would be 100% of the PC market share
.......

Come off it Thad.
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

Hadron wrote:

> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com writes:
>
>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> The PS3 is NOT a Linux machine. This is very simple to understand. The
>>> PS3 is a machine with it#s own OS. This OS is not Linux.
>>>
>>> The PS3 CAN RUN Linux.
>>>
>>> It is NOT a Linux machine.
>>>
>>> It really is that simple.
>>>
>>> I can put a bmw engine into a Rover, but it doesn't make the Rover a BMW
>>> I am afraid.
>>
>> So given that definition, is a standard desktop PC a Linux machine?
>
> A "standard PC" is not a Linux machine unless Linux is installed on it.

So a PS3 is a linux machine when you install linux on it?

> Are you having some sort of difficulty with such an easy to understand
> issue?

It seems you do. You claim a PS3 is *not* a linux machine because it does
not come with linux installed.
Yet a PC with the exact same things (linux is not installed) is a linux
machine the moment you install linux on it. Double standards. How lame

> or do you think that any HW that CAN run linux should be counted as a
> Linux machine?

Do you think only machines coming pre-installed with linux should be counted
as linux machines?

> They are potential linux platforms.

Right. Like the PS3

> But *POTENTIAL* does not equal "is".

Nobody claimed so. You tried to imply that, but that is your usual
comprehension problem

> Otherwise Linux machines would be 100% of the PC market share

If you had it your way with the PS3 definition, linux would have near 0%
market share

> Come off it Thad.

Well, you are not really convincing
--
Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -
they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
 
Re: Leaders of The Micoshaft Asstroturfer Movement In Action. See Them Here!

In article .,
<thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com> wrote:
>
>what exactly qualifies as a 'Linux machine?'
>

A system that ships commercially with linux or one that ships
without an OS but that the vendor supports linux on or one that ships
without an OS but is designed specifically for linux. (Some x86 vendors
build products specially configured for beowulf for instance)
 
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