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Stephan Rose
Re: I Think They Need You In The Ubuntu Camp - Just FYI
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:19:31 -0500, Leythos wrote:
> In article <nb-dnSwcdr4ESPranZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> nospam@spammer.com says...
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:48:36 -0500, Leythos wrote:
>>
>> > In article <476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org>, fuv@groufa.com says...
>> >>
>> >> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
>> >> dumbell, not only the OS...
>> >>
>> >> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
>> >> applications installed
>> >
>> > Wrong, when you do a "Microsoft Update" you are updating all MS apps
>> > on the system, not just the OS - so, MS Office, Visio, servers
>> > running on the platform, etc....
>>
>> Assuming someone is only running Microsoft apps of course which
>> generally is not the case...as much as MS would probably like that.
>
> But the base install of Ubuntu, with OO, and my base install of XP with
> Office, the Ubuntu system will take longer to install and longer to
> update than the xp machine, and Xp provides better hardware support not
> to mention that most modern games are designed for Windows first, then
> Linux.
Ehh? I'm sorry but earlier this year I did a clean reinstall on this
computer of both windows and Ubuntu when the new version of Ubuntu came
out. Perfect time to do so as Windows needed a cleanup and I prefer to
upgrade Ubuntu (or any OS for that matter) via clean installs rather than
in-place upgrades.
And honestly I have to tell you that it took significantly longer to
install XP and upgrade it to the appropriate service pack level than it
took to setup Ubuntu. Oh and that didn't include Microsoft office as I
had no need to install it.
And as far as the better hardware support goes...XP doesn't recognize
over half my onboard peripherals out of the box while Ubuntu does. I
actually had to use Ubuntu to download ethernet drivers for XP as XP
didn't even recognize my onboard ethernet.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say that there isn't hardware
that is not supported by linux. There is. Matter of fact, I have a USB
Headset sitting right next to me that has piss-poor linux support. I
don't even bother using it under Linux. It works mostly but the volume
controls for it are buggy for some reason.
Then again, even under windows it requires special drivers from the
manufacturer, which are not 100% stable, to actually work right.
Definitely never buying from that manufacturer again regardless of OS.
But I will say this, when linux *does* support hardware, it generally
supports it instantly and out of the box without any hassle...unlike XP
where I need to track down a whole bunch of drivers first. And when linux
doesn't support hardware then it is generally limited to one particular
manufacturer and there usually are other manufacturers that are supported
with equivalent products. Printers for example, Cannon support is
pathetic so guess what! I just buy HP instead...Cannon's loss, HP's gain.
So really, unless you have something exotic that only one guy makes and
only makes for windows there normally aren't any problems.
I do fully agree with you about games though. That is one thing that
still annoys me, particularly since games are relatively easy to write
cross-platform when compared to GUI heavy applications. That is one area
that I hope will improve with the future, but for now, it is the pretty
much only reason why I dual boot windows at home.
--
Stephan
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:19:31 -0500, Leythos wrote:
> In article <nb-dnSwcdr4ESPranZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> nospam@spammer.com says...
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:48:36 -0500, Leythos wrote:
>>
>> > In article <476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org>, fuv@groufa.com says...
>> >>
>> >> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
>> >> dumbell, not only the OS...
>> >>
>> >> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
>> >> applications installed
>> >
>> > Wrong, when you do a "Microsoft Update" you are updating all MS apps
>> > on the system, not just the OS - so, MS Office, Visio, servers
>> > running on the platform, etc....
>>
>> Assuming someone is only running Microsoft apps of course which
>> generally is not the case...as much as MS would probably like that.
>
> But the base install of Ubuntu, with OO, and my base install of XP with
> Office, the Ubuntu system will take longer to install and longer to
> update than the xp machine, and Xp provides better hardware support not
> to mention that most modern games are designed for Windows first, then
> Linux.
Ehh? I'm sorry but earlier this year I did a clean reinstall on this
computer of both windows and Ubuntu when the new version of Ubuntu came
out. Perfect time to do so as Windows needed a cleanup and I prefer to
upgrade Ubuntu (or any OS for that matter) via clean installs rather than
in-place upgrades.
And honestly I have to tell you that it took significantly longer to
install XP and upgrade it to the appropriate service pack level than it
took to setup Ubuntu. Oh and that didn't include Microsoft office as I
had no need to install it.
And as far as the better hardware support goes...XP doesn't recognize
over half my onboard peripherals out of the box while Ubuntu does. I
actually had to use Ubuntu to download ethernet drivers for XP as XP
didn't even recognize my onboard ethernet.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say that there isn't hardware
that is not supported by linux. There is. Matter of fact, I have a USB
Headset sitting right next to me that has piss-poor linux support. I
don't even bother using it under Linux. It works mostly but the volume
controls for it are buggy for some reason.
Then again, even under windows it requires special drivers from the
manufacturer, which are not 100% stable, to actually work right.
Definitely never buying from that manufacturer again regardless of OS.
But I will say this, when linux *does* support hardware, it generally
supports it instantly and out of the box without any hassle...unlike XP
where I need to track down a whole bunch of drivers first. And when linux
doesn't support hardware then it is generally limited to one particular
manufacturer and there usually are other manufacturers that are supported
with equivalent products. Printers for example, Cannon support is
pathetic so guess what! I just buy HP instead...Cannon's loss, HP's gain.
So really, unless you have something exotic that only one guy makes and
only makes for windows there normally aren't any problems.
I do fully agree with you about games though. That is one thing that
still annoys me, particularly since games are relatively easy to write
cross-platform when compared to GUI heavy applications. That is one area
that I hope will improve with the future, but for now, it is the pretty
much only reason why I dual boot windows at home.
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
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