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Kevin John Panzke
Kevin John Panzke wrote:
> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
Update: My Download Is Now 55% Complete, Just FYI.
> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
Update: My Download Is Now 55% Complete, Just FYI.
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ray
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just FYI.
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:27:34 -0500, Kevin John Panzke wrote:
> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
So are the final releases, Just FYI.
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:27:34 -0500, Kevin John Panzke wrote:
> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
So are the final releases, Just FYI.
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Leythos
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just FYI.
In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
@hotmail.com says...
> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
something that at least installs and give you access to standard
hardware.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
@hotmail.com says...
> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
something that at least installs and give you access to standard
hardware.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
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Stephan Rose
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) DailyBuild, Just FYI.
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:57 -0400, Leythos wrote:
> In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
> @hotmail.com says...
>> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
>> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
>
> If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
> something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
> something that at least installs and give you access to standard
> hardware.
>
Ubuntu does just fine with hardware. Come to think of it, it does
exceedingly better than either XP or Vista on this machine.
Unrecognized Device Count:
Ubuntu: 1
Vista: 4
XP: 10
This system is nothing but high end hardware. My RAM doesn't need
heatsinks just for the good looks of it. =) To put it into a perspective
Vista fanbois can understand, scores of 5.5-5.9 on almost *all*
categories except the CPU (5.3) as I don't feel like paying for an
overpriced Intel Extreme. That's a little extreme...even for my standards.
--
Stephan
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:57 -0400, Leythos wrote:
> In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
> @hotmail.com says...
>> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
>> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
>
> If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
> something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
> something that at least installs and give you access to standard
> hardware.
>
Ubuntu does just fine with hardware. Come to think of it, it does
exceedingly better than either XP or Vista on this machine.
Unrecognized Device Count:
Ubuntu: 1
Vista: 4
XP: 10
This system is nothing but high end hardware. My RAM doesn't need
heatsinks just for the good looks of it. =) To put it into a perspective
Vista fanbois can understand, scores of 5.5-5.9 on almost *all*
categories except the CPU (5.3) as I don't feel like paying for an
overpriced Intel Extreme. That's a little extreme...even for my standards.
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
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Leythos
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just FYI.
In article <ooKdnRRjv8B7XyvbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
nospam@spammer.com says...
>
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:57 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>
> > In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
> > @hotmail.com says...
> >> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> >> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
> >
> > If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
> > something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
> > something that at least installs and give you access to standard
> > hardware.
> >
>
> Ubuntu does just fine with hardware. Come to think of it, it does
> exceedingly better than either XP or Vista on this machine.
>
> Unrecognized Device Count:
>
> Ubuntu: 1
> Vista: 4
> XP: 10
And after the first visit to Windows Update or the vendors sites, all of
your devices would be supported by Windows, not to mention that all of
your devices shipped with Windows drivers.
I've installed several versions of Ubuntu and it's a toy, not even close
to being ready for the desktop of the masses, it's still a hobby thing.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
In article <ooKdnRRjv8B7XyvbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
nospam@spammer.com says...
>
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:57 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>
> > In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
> > @hotmail.com says...
> >> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
> >> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
> >
> > If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
> > something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
> > something that at least installs and give you access to standard
> > hardware.
> >
>
> Ubuntu does just fine with hardware. Come to think of it, it does
> exceedingly better than either XP or Vista on this machine.
>
> Unrecognized Device Count:
>
> Ubuntu: 1
> Vista: 4
> XP: 10
And after the first visit to Windows Update or the vendors sites, all of
your devices would be supported by Windows, not to mention that all of
your devices shipped with Windows drivers.
I've installed several versions of Ubuntu and it's a toy, not even close
to being ready for the desktop of the masses, it's still a hobby thing.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
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Stephan Rose
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) DailyBuild, Just FYI.
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:50:16 -0400, Leythos wrote:
> In article <ooKdnRRjv8B7XyvbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> nospam@spammer.com says...
>>
>> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:57 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>>
>> > In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
>> > @hotmail.com says...
>> >> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
>> >> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
>> >
>> > If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
>> > something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
>> > something that at least installs and give you access to standard
>> > hardware.
>> >
>>
>> Ubuntu does just fine with hardware. Come to think of it, it does
>> exceedingly better than either XP or Vista on this machine.
>>
>> Unrecognized Device Count:
>>
>> Ubuntu: 1
>> Vista: 4
>> XP: 10
>
> And after the first visit to Windows Update or the vendors sites, all of
> your devices would be supported by Windows, not to mention that all of
> your devices shipped with Windows drivers.
Of course one can do things like install Beta drivers to get Vista to work
(no, I am not kidding...I had to resort to beta drivers). And of course
all the necessary drivers for XP are there to make everything work. Though
in XP's case, it's difficult to download the drivers or go to windows
update as it doesn't even recognize my ethernet ports.
What I am referring to though, in all 3 OS' cases, is out of the box
support. Yes I can reduce all 3 OS' counts down to 0 given enough time and
driver hunting. But what concerns me is how much work does it take for me
to do this? Which one, out of the box, has the best support? And as that
stands right now, at least with my hardware, Windows is the worst in that
department.
>
> I've installed several versions of Ubuntu and it's a toy, not even close
> to being ready for the desktop of the masses, it's still a hobby thing.
>
Is it really? Depends largely on someone's needs. I have someone in the
office who is happier with it than he's ever been with windows. I myself
use it daily for my work.
I think whether or not it is ready depends largely on the following
factors:
- How much is someone willing to open their mind and let go of the MS way
of thinking? If they absolutely HAVE to do things the MS windows way and
will not accept anything else...then Ubuntu, or any other OS, won't be for
them.
- Their software needs. If they are absolutely dependent on Windows only
software then of course it is a no brainer. Ubuntu, or any other OS, won't
do them any good.
As I see it right now, both operating systems have their uses in their own
ways. For me, that roughly comes out to the following:
Ubuntu:
- Music & Video. XP and Vista both can't display video on my second DVI
out as nVidia no longer has full screen video overlay support in their
drivers and videos won't play in the second screen (they just stay black).
- General every day use. E-mails, newsgroups, maybe the occasional office
document and other mundane tasks that fall into said category.
- Software development. Eclipse kicks Visual Studio's butt in pretty much
every regard since the latest update when it comes to C/C++ development.
About the only thing it "lacks" is Edit & Continue which I've never used
in the first place. So I don't miss it.
Windows:
- Games. For PC games, Windows currently is the OS so I use it for that.
- Generating windows binaries of my software (it's cross platform).
Technically speaking, since my primary use for windows is games, I could
actually legitimately call it a Toy OS )
I don't though as I realize that there are other fields where software
support under windows is better and where that makes windows a more viable
choice.
Here is one thought though. The masses actually would have an easier time
switching away from Windows than many professionals do. So I wouldn't
underestimate other OS' as being ready for the masses. Many of
professionals look at it from too much of a skewed viewpoint because they
might think of special needs they have that aren't met outside the windows
world. The average home user though generally has simpler needs that are
far easier to meet.
And please don't come with ease of installation. Home users don't install
operating systems usually. They go to Dell, Best Buy, <insert OEM here>
and buy a PC with an OS pre-installed. Besides, either OS can be easy or a
nightmare to install depending on the hardware it needs to deal with.
Personally, I don't truly "favor" one OS over the other. By that I mean,
I'm not a fanboy of either. I use what's best for me and what makes me
work the most efficiently and what gives me the least trouble. And
that simply doesn't happen to be Vista or XP.
While XP is very usable, it does lack some features that I've now
discovered that I wouldn't want to live without anymore. But
more importantly, XP is a sinking ship since eventually it'll be no longer
supported. So XP no longer is a long term viable solution.
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:50:16 -0400, Leythos wrote:
> In article <ooKdnRRjv8B7XyvbnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> nospam@spammer.com says...
>>
>> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:17:57 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>>
>> > In article <eY5uWC81HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, kevpan815
>> > @hotmail.com says...
>> >> I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just
>> >> FYI. Ubuntu's Beta's Are Open To The General Public, Just FYI.
>> >
>> > If you were going to go Linux you would think that you would want
>> > something a lot higher quality than Ubuntu, more like Fedora Core X or
>> > something that at least installs and give you access to standard
>> > hardware.
>> >
>>
>> Ubuntu does just fine with hardware. Come to think of it, it does
>> exceedingly better than either XP or Vista on this machine.
>>
>> Unrecognized Device Count:
>>
>> Ubuntu: 1
>> Vista: 4
>> XP: 10
>
> And after the first visit to Windows Update or the vendors sites, all of
> your devices would be supported by Windows, not to mention that all of
> your devices shipped with Windows drivers.
Of course one can do things like install Beta drivers to get Vista to work
(no, I am not kidding...I had to resort to beta drivers). And of course
all the necessary drivers for XP are there to make everything work. Though
in XP's case, it's difficult to download the drivers or go to windows
update as it doesn't even recognize my ethernet ports.
What I am referring to though, in all 3 OS' cases, is out of the box
support. Yes I can reduce all 3 OS' counts down to 0 given enough time and
driver hunting. But what concerns me is how much work does it take for me
to do this? Which one, out of the box, has the best support? And as that
stands right now, at least with my hardware, Windows is the worst in that
department.
>
> I've installed several versions of Ubuntu and it's a toy, not even close
> to being ready for the desktop of the masses, it's still a hobby thing.
>
Is it really? Depends largely on someone's needs. I have someone in the
office who is happier with it than he's ever been with windows. I myself
use it daily for my work.
I think whether or not it is ready depends largely on the following
factors:
- How much is someone willing to open their mind and let go of the MS way
of thinking? If they absolutely HAVE to do things the MS windows way and
will not accept anything else...then Ubuntu, or any other OS, won't be for
them.
- Their software needs. If they are absolutely dependent on Windows only
software then of course it is a no brainer. Ubuntu, or any other OS, won't
do them any good.
As I see it right now, both operating systems have their uses in their own
ways. For me, that roughly comes out to the following:
Ubuntu:
- Music & Video. XP and Vista both can't display video on my second DVI
out as nVidia no longer has full screen video overlay support in their
drivers and videos won't play in the second screen (they just stay black).
- General every day use. E-mails, newsgroups, maybe the occasional office
document and other mundane tasks that fall into said category.
- Software development. Eclipse kicks Visual Studio's butt in pretty much
every regard since the latest update when it comes to C/C++ development.
About the only thing it "lacks" is Edit & Continue which I've never used
in the first place. So I don't miss it.
Windows:
- Games. For PC games, Windows currently is the OS so I use it for that.
- Generating windows binaries of my software (it's cross platform).
Technically speaking, since my primary use for windows is games, I could
actually legitimately call it a Toy OS )
I don't though as I realize that there are other fields where software
support under windows is better and where that makes windows a more viable
choice.
Here is one thought though. The masses actually would have an easier time
switching away from Windows than many professionals do. So I wouldn't
underestimate other OS' as being ready for the masses. Many of
professionals look at it from too much of a skewed viewpoint because they
might think of special needs they have that aren't met outside the windows
world. The average home user though generally has simpler needs that are
far easier to meet.
And please don't come with ease of installation. Home users don't install
operating systems usually. They go to Dell, Best Buy, <insert OEM here>
and buy a PC with an OS pre-installed. Besides, either OS can be easy or a
nightmare to install depending on the hardware it needs to deal with.
Personally, I don't truly "favor" one OS over the other. By that I mean,
I'm not a fanboy of either. I use what's best for me and what makes me
work the most efficiently and what gives me the least trouble. And
that simply doesn't happen to be Vista or XP.
While XP is very usable, it does lack some features that I've now
discovered that I wouldn't want to live without anymore. But
more importantly, XP is a sinking ship since eventually it'll be no longer
supported. So XP no longer is a long term viable solution.
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
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Leythos
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just FYI.
In article <ZtWdnY4m_JYyvirbRVnyjQA@giganews.com>,
nospam.noway@screwspammers.com says...
> Of course one can do things like install Beta drivers to get Vista to work
> (no, I am not kidding...I had to resort to beta drivers). And of course
> all the necessary drivers for XP are there to make everything work. Though
> in XP's case, it's difficult to download the drivers or go to windows
> update as it doesn't even recognize my ethernet ports.
>
> What I am referring to though, in all 3 OS' cases, is out of the box
> support. Yes I can reduce all 3 OS' counts down to 0 given enough time and
> driver hunting. But what concerns me is how much work does it take for me
> to do this? Which one, out of the box, has the best support? And as that
> stands right now, at least with my hardware, Windows is the worst in that
> department.
You've got to be kidding.
I have more than a dozen computers in my home, several servers and
multiple laptops.
Just a few months ago I did a base install of Fedora Core, Ubuntu,
Mandrake and found that only Fedora Core installed all devices and
provided even wireless access - something that Ubuntu and Mandrake
didn't.
Later, when trying to get my printers working, it was FC that provided
the functions and drivers.
Ubuntu left the test machines in 640x480 mode for video and didn't like
the network cards.
Say what you want, but Windows XP has more support and more drivers and
all motherboards ship with Windows drivers for their NIC's as do every
NIC on the market....
So, don't tell me that Windows didn't see your NIC, the motherboard/NIC
came with windows drivers and you should have them already with you.
Ubuntu left me high-and-dry without ANY network support on a laptop, but
the drivers for Windows where available...
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
In article <ZtWdnY4m_JYyvirbRVnyjQA@giganews.com>,
nospam.noway@screwspammers.com says...
> Of course one can do things like install Beta drivers to get Vista to work
> (no, I am not kidding...I had to resort to beta drivers). And of course
> all the necessary drivers for XP are there to make everything work. Though
> in XP's case, it's difficult to download the drivers or go to windows
> update as it doesn't even recognize my ethernet ports.
>
> What I am referring to though, in all 3 OS' cases, is out of the box
> support. Yes I can reduce all 3 OS' counts down to 0 given enough time and
> driver hunting. But what concerns me is how much work does it take for me
> to do this? Which one, out of the box, has the best support? And as that
> stands right now, at least with my hardware, Windows is the worst in that
> department.
You've got to be kidding.
I have more than a dozen computers in my home, several servers and
multiple laptops.
Just a few months ago I did a base install of Fedora Core, Ubuntu,
Mandrake and found that only Fedora Core installed all devices and
provided even wireless access - something that Ubuntu and Mandrake
didn't.
Later, when trying to get my printers working, it was FC that provided
the functions and drivers.
Ubuntu left the test machines in 640x480 mode for video and didn't like
the network cards.
Say what you want, but Windows XP has more support and more drivers and
all motherboards ship with Windows drivers for their NIC's as do every
NIC on the market....
So, don't tell me that Windows didn't see your NIC, the motherboard/NIC
came with windows drivers and you should have them already with you.
Ubuntu left me high-and-dry without ANY network support on a laptop, but
the drivers for Windows where available...
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
S
Stephan Rose
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) DailyBuild, Just FYI.
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:07:18 -0400, Leythos wrote:
> In article <ZtWdnY4m_JYyvirbRVnyjQA@giganews.com>,
> nospam.noway@screwspammers.com says...
>> Of course one can do things like install Beta drivers to get Vista to work
>> (no, I am not kidding...I had to resort to beta drivers). And of course
>> all the necessary drivers for XP are there to make everything work. Though
>> in XP's case, it's difficult to download the drivers or go to windows
>> update as it doesn't even recognize my ethernet ports.
>>
>> What I am referring to though, in all 3 OS' cases, is out of the box
>> support. Yes I can reduce all 3 OS' counts down to 0 given enough time and
>> driver hunting. But what concerns me is how much work does it take for me
>> to do this? Which one, out of the box, has the best support? And as that
>> stands right now, at least with my hardware, Windows is the worst in that
>> department.
>
> You've got to be kidding.
I'm not kidding. Those were my results from out of the box installations.
Don't like them? Sorry.
>
> I have more than a dozen computers in my home, several servers and
> multiple laptops.
>
> Just a few months ago I did a base install of Fedora Core, Ubuntu,
> Mandrake and found that only Fedora Core installed all devices and
> provided even wireless access - something that Ubuntu and Mandrake
> didn't.
And just a few months ago probably meant Ubuntu 6.10 and not 7.04. If
that was the case, not saying that 7.04 would have supported everything,
but chances are higher than with 6.10.
>
> Later, when trying to get my printers working, it was FC that provided
> the functions and drivers.
And we have a printer in the office that does NOT work with windows but
works flawlessly with ubuntu...so what?
>
> Ubuntu left the test machines in 640x480 mode for video and didn't like
> the network cards.
So install the necessary drivers, isn't that the default windows answer?
>
> Say what you want, but Windows XP has more support and more drivers and
> all motherboards ship with Windows drivers for their NIC's as do every
> NIC on the market....
So? I am talking about OS out of the box support, not what drivers I can
hunt down and install.
>
> So, don't tell me that Windows didn't see your NIC, the motherboard/NIC
> came with windows drivers and you should have them already with you.
> Ubuntu left me high-and-dry without ANY network support on a laptop, but
> the drivers for Windows where available...
Well windows did NOT see my NIC. Sorry if you don't like it but that was
the case. Sure, I can and obviously did install drivers for it. Still
doesn't change the fact that windows did not support it out of the box.
I don't care if you like it or not...it's what happened.
--
Stephan
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:07:18 -0400, Leythos wrote:
> In article <ZtWdnY4m_JYyvirbRVnyjQA@giganews.com>,
> nospam.noway@screwspammers.com says...
>> Of course one can do things like install Beta drivers to get Vista to work
>> (no, I am not kidding...I had to resort to beta drivers). And of course
>> all the necessary drivers for XP are there to make everything work. Though
>> in XP's case, it's difficult to download the drivers or go to windows
>> update as it doesn't even recognize my ethernet ports.
>>
>> What I am referring to though, in all 3 OS' cases, is out of the box
>> support. Yes I can reduce all 3 OS' counts down to 0 given enough time and
>> driver hunting. But what concerns me is how much work does it take for me
>> to do this? Which one, out of the box, has the best support? And as that
>> stands right now, at least with my hardware, Windows is the worst in that
>> department.
>
> You've got to be kidding.
I'm not kidding. Those were my results from out of the box installations.
Don't like them? Sorry.
>
> I have more than a dozen computers in my home, several servers and
> multiple laptops.
>
> Just a few months ago I did a base install of Fedora Core, Ubuntu,
> Mandrake and found that only Fedora Core installed all devices and
> provided even wireless access - something that Ubuntu and Mandrake
> didn't.
And just a few months ago probably meant Ubuntu 6.10 and not 7.04. If
that was the case, not saying that 7.04 would have supported everything,
but chances are higher than with 6.10.
>
> Later, when trying to get my printers working, it was FC that provided
> the functions and drivers.
And we have a printer in the office that does NOT work with windows but
works flawlessly with ubuntu...so what?
>
> Ubuntu left the test machines in 640x480 mode for video and didn't like
> the network cards.
So install the necessary drivers, isn't that the default windows answer?
>
> Say what you want, but Windows XP has more support and more drivers and
> all motherboards ship with Windows drivers for their NIC's as do every
> NIC on the market....
So? I am talking about OS out of the box support, not what drivers I can
hunt down and install.
>
> So, don't tell me that Windows didn't see your NIC, the motherboard/NIC
> came with windows drivers and you should have them already with you.
> Ubuntu left me high-and-dry without ANY network support on a laptop, but
> the drivers for Windows where available...
Well windows did NOT see my NIC. Sorry if you don't like it but that was
the case. Sure, I can and obviously did install drivers for it. Still
doesn't change the fact that windows did not support it out of the box.
I don't care if you like it or not...it's what happened.
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
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L
Leythos
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just FYI.
In article <qYSdnTwZCfqXGirbnZ2dnUVZ8szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
nospam@spammer.com says...
> I honestly don't really care what issues others have with their hardware.
> It's pretty much useless information for me. The only useful piece of
> information for me is the number of issues I have, as that is the only
> thing that really affects me at the end of the day.
But this is Usenet and a Microsoft group, and since this is not a single
one-on-one communication forum we provide interaction with people all
over the world.
So, one persons individual experience, when not well defined, and based
on a single PC, only marginally helps others reading the message.
Your message seems to indicate that Ubuntu is a winner for most home
users, but, sadly, that's not the case. If we were to actually discuss
the differences it might help people make a decision, but saying "it
works for me" doesn't help them determine the worth of the message.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
In article <qYSdnTwZCfqXGirbnZ2dnUVZ8szinZ2d@giganews.com>,
nospam@spammer.com says...
> I honestly don't really care what issues others have with their hardware.
> It's pretty much useless information for me. The only useful piece of
> information for me is the number of issues I have, as that is the only
> thing that really affects me at the end of the day.
But this is Usenet and a Microsoft group, and since this is not a single
one-on-one communication forum we provide interaction with people all
over the world.
So, one persons individual experience, when not well defined, and based
on a single PC, only marginally helps others reading the message.
Your message seems to indicate that Ubuntu is a winner for most home
users, but, sadly, that's not the case. If we were to actually discuss
the differences it might help people make a decision, but saying "it
works for me" doesn't help them determine the worth of the message.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
C
Curtis D. Levin
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just FYI.
> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
> for the Dear Leader.
You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
free and that aint.
Blech!
Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
dead horse that is.
And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
else on the field so far.
Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
support your local crackheads.
Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
use something open source in a mission critical environment.
Too many ifs.
Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
you need to.
Curtis
(AKA Loady)
(AKA Stretch)
> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
> for the Dear Leader.
You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
free and that aint.
Blech!
Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
dead horse that is.
And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
else on the field so far.
Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
support your local crackheads.
Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
use something open source in a mission critical environment.
Too many ifs.
Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
you need to.
Curtis
(AKA Loady)
(AKA Stretch)
N
norm
Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>> for the Dear Leader.
>
> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>
> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
> free and that aint.
>
> Blech!
>
> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>
> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
> dead horse that is.
>
> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
> else on the field so far.
>
> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
> support your local crackheads.
>
> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
> Too many ifs.
Please define "mission critical" environment.
Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>
> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
> you need to.
>
> Curtis
> (AKA Loady)
> (AKA Stretch)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
norm
>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>> for the Dear Leader.
>
> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>
> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
> free and that aint.
>
> Blech!
>
> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>
> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
> dead horse that is.
>
> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
> else on the field so far.
>
> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
> support your local crackheads.
>
> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
> Too many ifs.
Please define "mission critical" environment.
Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>
> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
> you need to.
>
> Curtis
> (AKA Loady)
> (AKA Stretch)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
norm
F
Frank
norm wrote:
> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>
>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>
>>
>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>
>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>> free and that aint.
>>
>> Blech!
>>
>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>
>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>> dead horse that is.
>>
>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>> else on the field so far.
>>
>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>> support your local crackheads.
>>
>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>> Too many ifs.
>
> Please define "mission critical" environment.
> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>
>>
>> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
>> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
>> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
>> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
>> you need to.
>>
>> Curtis
>> (AKA Loady)
>> (AKA Stretch)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
Frank
> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>
>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>
>>
>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>
>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>> free and that aint.
>>
>> Blech!
>>
>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>
>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>> dead horse that is.
>>
>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>> else on the field so far.
>>
>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>> support your local crackheads.
>>
>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>> Too many ifs.
>
> Please define "mission critical" environment.
> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>
>>
>> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
>> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
>> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
>> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
>> you need to.
>>
>> Curtis
>> (AKA Loady)
>> (AKA Stretch)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
Frank
A
Adam Albright
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Daily Build, Just FYI.
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>norm wrote:
>
>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>
>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>
>>>
>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>
>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>> free and that aint.
>>>
>>> Blech!
>>>
>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>
>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>> dead horse that is.
>>>
>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>> else on the field so far.
>>>
>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>
>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>> Too many ifs.
>>
>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
Sounds like he has a brain in his head. Something you're obviously
missing Frankie.
Are you really dumb enough to think NASA relies on Windows for their
space missions?
ROTFLMAO!
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>norm wrote:
>
>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>
>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>
>>>
>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>
>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>> free and that aint.
>>>
>>> Blech!
>>>
>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>
>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>> dead horse that is.
>>>
>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>> else on the field so far.
>>>
>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>
>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>> Too many ifs.
>>
>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
Sounds like he has a brain in his head. Something you're obviously
missing Frankie.
Are you really dumb enough to think NASA relies on Windows for their
space missions?
ROTFLMAO!
N
norm
Frank wrote:
> norm wrote:
>
>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>
>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source
>>>> behemoth
>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are
>>>> supposed to
>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel
>>>> rapture
>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>
>>>
>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>
>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>> free and that aint.
>>>
>>> Blech!
>>>
>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>
>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>> dead horse that is.
>>>
>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>> else on the field so far.
>>>
>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>
>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>> Too many ifs.
>>
>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>>
>>>
>>> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
>>> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
>>> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
>>> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
>>> you need to.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>> (AKA Loady)
>>> (AKA Stretch)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
> Frank
My desktop is not "mission critical" to me. Your desktop may be to you.
I don't know. However, the term "mission critical" certainly encompasses
far more than our desktops. To quote the poster I replied to: "Get real.
No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would use something open
source in a mission critical environment. Too many ifs." Seems like the
statement encompasses far more than desktops. If the examples I cited
are not "mission critical" environments, then I don't know what might be.
--
norm
> norm wrote:
>
>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>
>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source
>>>> behemoth
>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are
>>>> supposed to
>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel
>>>> rapture
>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>
>>>
>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>
>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>> free and that aint.
>>>
>>> Blech!
>>>
>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>
>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>> dead horse that is.
>>>
>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>> else on the field so far.
>>>
>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>
>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>> Too many ifs.
>>
>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>>
>>>
>>> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
>>> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
>>> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
>>> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
>>> you need to.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>> (AKA Loady)
>>> (AKA Stretch)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
> Frank
My desktop is not "mission critical" to me. Your desktop may be to you.
I don't know. However, the term "mission critical" certainly encompasses
far more than our desktops. To quote the poster I replied to: "Get real.
No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would use something open
source in a mission critical environment. Too many ifs." Seems like the
statement encompasses far more than desktops. If the examples I cited
are not "mission critical" environments, then I don't know what might be.
--
norm
S
Stephan Rose
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) DailyBuild, Just FYI.
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:42:32 -0500, Adam Albright wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>
>>norm wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>>
>>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>>> free and that aint.
>>>>
>>>> Blech!
>>>>
>>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>>> dead horse that is.
>>>>
>>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>>> else on the field so far.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>>
>>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>>> Too many ifs.
>>>
>>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>
>
>>hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
>
> Sounds like he has a brain in his head. Something you're obviously
> missing Frankie.
>
> Are you really dumb enough to think NASA relies on Windows for their
> space missions?
>
> ROTFLMAO!
Man could you imagine the rover on mars phoning home and asking for
activation? =)
--
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2003 Yamaha R6
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:42:32 -0500, Adam Albright wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>
>>norm wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source behemoth
>>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are supposed to
>>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel rapture
>>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>>
>>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>>> free and that aint.
>>>>
>>>> Blech!
>>>>
>>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>>> dead horse that is.
>>>>
>>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>>> else on the field so far.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>>
>>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>>> Too many ifs.
>>>
>>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>
>
>>hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
>
> Sounds like he has a brain in his head. Something you're obviously
> missing Frankie.
>
> Are you really dumb enough to think NASA relies on Windows for their
> space missions?
>
> ROTFLMAO!
Man could you imagine the rover on mars phoning home and asking for
activation? =)
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
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F
Frank
Adam Albright wrote:
>
>>hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
>
>
> Sounds like he has a brain in his head. Something you're obviously
> missing Frankie.
>
> Are you really dumb enough to think NASA relies on Windows for their
> space missions?
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
hehehe...that went right over you're little pointy accountant paid shill
lying head didn't it?
How fukkin dumb can one person be?
Frank
>
>>hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
>
>
> Sounds like he has a brain in his head. Something you're obviously
> missing Frankie.
>
> Are you really dumb enough to think NASA relies on Windows for their
> space missions?
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
hehehe...that went right over you're little pointy accountant paid shill
lying head didn't it?
How fukkin dumb can one person be?
Frank
F
Frank
norm wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> norm wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source
>>>>> behemoth
>>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are
>>>>> supposed to
>>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel
>>>>> rapture
>>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>>
>>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>>> free and that aint.
>>>>
>>>> Blech!
>>>>
>>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>>> dead horse that is.
>>>>
>>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>>> else on the field so far.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>>
>>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>>> Too many ifs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
>>>> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
>>>> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
>>>> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
>>>> you need to.
>>>>
>>>> Curtis
>>>> (AKA Loady)
>>>> (AKA Stretch)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
>> Frank
>
> My desktop is not "mission critical" to me. Your desktop may be to you.
> I don't know. However, the term "mission critical" certainly encompasses
> far more than our desktops. To quote the poster I replied to: "Get real.
> No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would use something open
> source in a mission critical environment. Too many ifs." Seems like the
> statement encompasses far more than desktops. If the examples I cited
> are not "mission critical" environments, then I don't know what might be.
>
Exactly and I agree with your statement.
We consider our desktops to be "mission critical" (at least to us) and
that's one reason why we'd never use open sores software.
Frank
> Frank wrote:
>
>> norm wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, we have Vista, the 15 gigabyte closed-source
>>>>> behemoth
>>>>> now squatting on the desktop of most new PCs. Consumers are
>>>>> supposed to
>>>>> say, "Wow!" just like North Korean peasants are supposed to feel
>>>>> rapture
>>>>> for the Dear Leader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, I have been using computers prolifically since 1993, and
>>>> started with Dos 5 and windows 3.1. This is the same debate that
>>>> everyone listened to when win95 came out, Os/2 Warp, and Linux ( which
>>>> at that time was 2.0.0, or thereabouts ) and nothing has changed.
>>>>
>>>> Same tired old topics about this device or that support, and this is
>>>> free and that aint.
>>>>
>>>> Blech!
>>>>
>>>> Use what you want to. Like what you use. Trash no one else, and they
>>>> won't trash you, eh? Linux, the be all end all, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Why not ask the people who contributed their time and effort to
>>>> debugging the system, writing source, etc, and watching someone
>>>> else bundle their free stuff and sell it? Warp? What Warp? What a
>>>> dead horse that is.
>>>>
>>>> And I know, because I touted the greatness of those systems at
>>>> one time. I was critical of Microsoft. I hated them. Until 98 SE.
>>>> Until NT 4.0. Until I began to see that no one else was going to be
>>>> around but Microsoft. Because MS is a business, and they make
>>>> money, and stay gainfully employed, and deliver and stand behind
>>>> their products. As well as they can, at least. Much more than anyone
>>>> else on the field so far.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, people write software for them. Not for Ubuntu. And no one
>>>> would use it. Not like they use slackware. Or Redhat? Debian?
>>>> Suse? Gimme a break. The latest greatest, nothing for it but
>>>> what other people do OS. As long as they do it for free and those
>>>> guys can sell it. Linux is a disease. A sickness, man. Kind of like,
>>>> support your local crackheads.
>>>>
>>>> Get real. No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would
>>>> use something open source in a mission critical environment.
>>>> Too many ifs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please define "mission critical" environment.
>>> Would this be a "mission critical" environment?
>>> www.novell.com/linux/virtualization/docs/deutsche_bahn.pdf
>>> Would the mars rovers be in a "mission critical" environment?
>>> Open source lives on Mars with rover mission extension
>>> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/25/188215
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft is doing a great job. They came through it all
>>>> admirably. They listened to their critics, and improved
>>>> dramatically. Relax. All things Vista will be fixed, and if
>>>> not in this version, then in the next. Upgrade because
>>>> you need to.
>>>>
>>>> Curtis
>>>> (AKA Loady)
>>>> (AKA Stretch)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> hehehe...so you got a "rover" on your desktop?
>> Frank
>
> My desktop is not "mission critical" to me. Your desktop may be to you.
> I don't know. However, the term "mission critical" certainly encompasses
> far more than our desktops. To quote the poster I replied to: "Get real.
> No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would use something open
> source in a mission critical environment. Too many ifs." Seems like the
> statement encompasses far more than desktops. If the examples I cited
> are not "mission critical" environments, then I don't know what might be.
>
Exactly and I agree with your statement.
We consider our desktops to be "mission critical" (at least to us) and
that's one reason why we'd never use open sores software.
Frank
S
Stephan Rose
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) DailyBuild, Just FYI.
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:14:30 -0700, Frank wrote:
>> My desktop is not "mission critical" to me. Your desktop may be to you.
>> I don't know. However, the term "mission critical" certainly encompasses
>> far more than our desktops. To quote the poster I replied to: "Get real.
>> No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would use something open
>> source in a mission critical environment. Too many ifs." Seems like the
>> statement encompasses far more than desktops. If the examples I cited
>> are not "mission critical" environments, then I don't know what might be.
>>
>
> Exactly and I agree with your statement.
> We consider our desktops to be "mission critical" (at least to us) and
> that's one reason why we'd never use open sores software.
> Frank
Well Frank, is your router mission critical to you?
I hope not because it probably runs linux!
QUICK!!! Throw it out the window!!!! )
--
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:14:30 -0700, Frank wrote:
>> My desktop is not "mission critical" to me. Your desktop may be to you.
>> I don't know. However, the term "mission critical" certainly encompasses
>> far more than our desktops. To quote the poster I replied to: "Get real.
>> No one, and I mean no one, in their right mind, would use something open
>> source in a mission critical environment. Too many ifs." Seems like the
>> statement encompasses far more than desktops. If the examples I cited
>> are not "mission critical" environments, then I don't know what might be.
>>
>
> Exactly and I agree with your statement.
> We consider our desktops to be "mission critical" (at least to us) and
> that's one reason why we'd never use open sores software.
> Frank
Well Frank, is your router mission critical to you?
I hope not because it probably runs linux!
QUICK!!! Throw it out the window!!!! )
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
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C
Charlie Wilkes
Re: I Am Currently Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) DailyBuild, Just FYI.
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:14:30 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
> Exactly and I agree with your statement. We consider our desktops to be
> "mission critical" (at least to us) and that's one reason why we'd never
> use open sores software. Frank
I can't see that my Linux setup is any less reliable than the various
Windows setups I have used over the years.
Both Linux and Windows are viable desktop environments as they stand
now. The more interesting question is, who owns the future? I think it
will be Linux.
Charlie
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:14:30 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
> Exactly and I agree with your statement. We consider our desktops to be
> "mission critical" (at least to us) and that's one reason why we'd never
> use open sores software. Frank
I can't see that my Linux setup is any less reliable than the various
Windows setups I have used over the years.
Both Linux and Windows are viable desktop environments as they stand
now. The more interesting question is, who owns the future? I think it
will be Linux.
Charlie
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