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Adam Albright

I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
more true now.

Here it is:

The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)

The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
ones.

In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
to label Vista as a disaster.

Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
 
Adam Albright wrote:
> I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
> more true now.
>
> Here it is:
>
> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)

What are you going to do to fix it?
>
> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
> ones.


What are you going to do to fix it?

>
> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
> to label Vista as a disaster.

What are you personally going to do to fix it?

>
> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>

Albright, you are nothing but a big BS windbag with nothing to do. You
are a very old and tired person Albright with mental issues and the same
old tired complainer's dance.

Is this the best that you can do is whine and complain?
 
You need to get out more

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
> more true now.
>
> Here it is:
>
> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>
> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
> ones.
>
> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
> to label Vista as a disaster.
>
> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>

It's amazing. After looking at the total number of posts you have made over
the last few years, it seems that you just don't go outside. Are you
confined to a mental institution? A basement somewhere? Are you a complete
social retard?

Imagine someone posting upwards of 40,000 posts. You really must have
severe mental issues.

Damn. It is much worse than I thought.
 
I agree completely.

Buddha
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
> more true now.
>
> Here it is:
>
> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>
> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
> ones.
>
> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
> to label Vista as a disaster.
>
> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>
 
Oops. Update......

"Spanky deMonkey" wrote in message
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>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
>> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
>> more true now.
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
>> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
>> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
>> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
>> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>>
>> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
>> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
>> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
>> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
>> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
>> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
>> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
>> ones.
>>
>> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
>> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
>> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
>> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
>> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
>> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
>> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
>> to label Vista as a disaster.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>
>
> It's amazing. After looking at the total number of posts you have made
> over the last few years, it seems that you just don't go outside. Are you
> confined to a mental institution? A basement somewhere? Are you a
> complete social retard?
>
> Imagine someone posting upwards of 40,000 posts. You really must have
> severe mental issues.
>
> Damn. It is much worse than I thought.
>
>
>

I was wrong about the 40,000 posts. Since 1993, Adam the mental case has
posted approx 94,225 messages that Google keeps track of.

That averages about 43 messages each and every day since 2003. There are
months that Adam hasn't posted so I would imagine that Adam posts over 100
messages on the days he is able to get to his computer.

The man has no life.
 
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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
> more true now.
>
> Here it is:
>
> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>
> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
> ones.
>
> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
> to label Vista as a disaster.
>
> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>


It is a Microsoft help group. Expect people who use and like Microsoft
products to present themselves here.

The pity is that people can't come here without having to run the gauntlet
of trolls..


--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>> I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
>> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
>> more true now.
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
>> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
>> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
>> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
>> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>>
>> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
>> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
>> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
>> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
>> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
>> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
>> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
>> ones.
>>
>> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
>> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
>> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
>> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
>> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
>> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
>> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
>> to label Vista as a disaster.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>
>
>
> It is a Microsoft help group. Expect people who use and like Microsoft
> products to present themselves here.
>
> The pity is that people can't come here without having to run the
> gauntlet of trolls..
>
>

So why don't you take your lying trolling elsewhere? BTW, this group is
vista.general, not vista.help. I hope that *helps*.

Alias
 
Yes, my experience with this group is much like .../windowsxp.general. All
the venting happened, totally overwhelming the help. Luckily, XP had the
'.../help_and_support group, which the inexperienced user often found for
help without distraction.
Children must play. No doubt they are blocked from most web communication
areas, and this is their only available playpen.
--
Mark L. Ferguson

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
news:OqCLzvjxIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> The pity is that people can't come here without having to run the gauntlet
> of trolls..
--
> Mike Hall - MVP
> How to construct a good post..
> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
> Mike's Window - My Blog..
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
"Buddha" <TEPonta@SBCGlobal.net> wrote in message
news:1E2A1F01-5217-4824-82A4-B80E6A0DEBE7@microsoft.com...
>I agree completely.
>
> Buddha
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
>> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
>> more true now.
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
>> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
>> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
>> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
>> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>>
>> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
>> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
>> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
>> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
>> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
>> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
>> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
>> ones.
>>
>> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
>> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
>> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
>> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
>> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
>> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
>> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
>> to label Vista as a disaster.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>
>

You know, I'm probably going to regret making this statement, but I'm going
to anyway. I don't 'love' Microsoft, or any other vendor for that matter.
However, my jobs have always used Microsoft, so that's what I have had to
learn, I've also had to learn mainframes, Unix, etc.etc. I'm sure that
most in this group have similar experience.

But you know what? I really think that if Microsoft came out with a perfect
system, people would scream that it was 'horrible' 'not user friendly' ,etc.
People just hate Microsoft because they're in the #1 spot. I think that
it's human nature: who ever is at the top, let's bring'um down.

Apple had the perfect chance 25 years ago to take over the industry: better
hardware architecture, (at that time) better software. But, because of IMHO
arrogance they are where they are today. Even now, they bring out a
severely crippled laptop with 1 usb port and not even a dvd and the critics
piss all over themselves praising it. Can you imagine the howls of outrage
that would erupt if Microsoft had released such a laptop?

Bottom line, people love to hate Microsoft. Without them, who would we
bash? After all, they are #1. It almost becomes a religious war. To me,
an operating system is just a tool to get my job done.

Dick
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
> more true now.
>
> Here it is:
>
> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>
> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
> ones.
>
> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
> to label Vista as a disaster.
>
> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>

So go back in your moms basement and keep sniffing her panties. Nobody cares
about your lies
 
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:37:29 -0400, "Dick" <rsutton43@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?

>Bottom line, people love to hate Microsoft. Without them, who would we
>bash? After all, they are #1. It almost becomes a religious war. To me,
>an operating system is just a tool to get my job done.
>
>Dick

People expect more from leaders. Nobody can deny that Microsoft is the
biggest software developer. Yet they never seem able to do better than
give us mediocre software. Take Windows. It's always released buggy,
always late to get released, always missing features they promised
would be included this time, always needing to be patched and of
course always requiring some Service Pack down the road.

Pointing out such failings isn't bashing nor should pointing out
obvious flaws be looked at as some religious war.

It is simply wondering that how come with over twenty years under it's
belt and too many versions to list why can't Microsoft finally deliver
a version of Windows that really is as close as humanly possible to
being bug free? Vista surely isn't the one.

The irony is the best version of Windows ever released, XP, is on
Microsoft's chopping block.

Yes, you could look at Windows as a tool. But seriously now, if your
tool was a circular saw you used to construct homes would you keep
buying the same brand if it couldn't cut through wood without the
blade constantly binding, the motor smoking and the saw slipping out
of your hands due to poor design and kicking you in the solar plexus?
I doubt it.

The thing I never will understand is WHY so many willing accept
mediocre performance from Microsoft as good enough.
 
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:40:10 -0400, "upyurbuttoo"
<upyurbuttoo@upyurbuttoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
>> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
>> more true now.
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
>> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
>> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
>> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
>> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>>
>> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
>> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
>> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
>> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
>> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
>> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
>> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
>> ones.
>>
>> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
>> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
>> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
>> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
>> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
>> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
>> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
>> to label Vista as a disaster.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>
>
>So go back in your moms basement and keep sniffing her panties. Nobody cares
>about your lies

I can always tell I made my point when some idiot like you says
something like you just did. <snicker>
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:atbd4413b624s5qgj0vouthnpqsding6ug@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:37:29 -0400, "Dick" <rsutton43@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>
>>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>
>>Bottom line, people love to hate Microsoft. Without them, who would we
>>bash? After all, they are #1. It almost becomes a religious war. To me,
>>an operating system is just a tool to get my job done.
>>
>>Dick
>
> People expect more from leaders. Nobody can deny that Microsoft is the
> biggest software developer. Yet they never seem able to do better than
> give us mediocre software. Take Windows. It's always released buggy,
> always late to get released, always missing features they promised
> would be included this time, always needing to be patched and of
> course always requiring some Service Pack down the road.
>
> Pointing out such failings isn't bashing nor should pointing out
> obvious flaws be looked at as some religious war.
>
> It is simply wondering that how come with over twenty years under it's
> belt and too many versions to list why can't Microsoft finally deliver
> a version of Windows that really is as close as humanly possible to
> being bug free? Vista surely isn't the one.
>
> The irony is the best version of Windows ever released, XP, is on
> Microsoft's chopping block.
>
> Yes, you could look at Windows as a tool. But seriously now, if your
> tool was a circular saw you used to construct homes would you keep
> buying the same brand if it couldn't cut through wood without the
> blade constantly binding, the motor smoking and the saw slipping out
> of your hands due to poor design and kicking you in the solar plexus?
> I doubt it.
>
> The thing I never will understand is WHY so many willing accept
> mediocre performance from Microsoft as good enough.
>

Adam,

You bring up good points. And I agree with them, too a certain extent. To
use your analogy, if the circular saw I was using didn't hack it, I'd buy a
different brand. By the way, I also dual boot with Ubuntu and true, they
don't have service packs but I seem to get notice of 5-15 patches every
couple of days it seems. So they don't appear to be doing much better and
their installed base is significantly less. On top of that, I still can't
get wireless and some dvds to play correctly. I like playing with Ubuntu,
but I can't say I get much actual work done with it. So, I choose the os
that allows me to get my work done in the least objectionable manner. I
also don't see any performance differences between Ubuntu and XP or Vista.
But that's my observations.

Dick
 
Dick wrote:
>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:atbd4413b624s5qgj0vouthnpqsding6ug@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:37:29 -0400, "Dick" <rsutton43@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>
>>> Bottom line, people love to hate Microsoft. Without them, who would we
>>> bash? After all, they are #1. It almost becomes a religious war.
>>> To me,
>>> an operating system is just a tool to get my job done.
>>>
>>> Dick
>>
>> People expect more from leaders. Nobody can deny that Microsoft is the
>> biggest software developer. Yet they never seem able to do better than
>> give us mediocre software. Take Windows. It's always released buggy,
>> always late to get released, always missing features they promised
>> would be included this time, always needing to be patched and of
>> course always requiring some Service Pack down the road.
>>
>> Pointing out such failings isn't bashing nor should pointing out
>> obvious flaws be looked at as some religious war.
>>
>> It is simply wondering that how come with over twenty years under it's
>> belt and too many versions to list why can't Microsoft finally deliver
>> a version of Windows that really is as close as humanly possible to
>> being bug free? Vista surely isn't the one.
>>
>> The irony is the best version of Windows ever released, XP, is on
>> Microsoft's chopping block.
>>
>> Yes, you could look at Windows as a tool. But seriously now, if your
>> tool was a circular saw you used to construct homes would you keep
>> buying the same brand if it couldn't cut through wood without the
>> blade constantly binding, the motor smoking and the saw slipping out
>> of your hands due to poor design and kicking you in the solar plexus?
>> I doubt it.
>>
>> The thing I never will understand is WHY so many willing accept
>> mediocre performance from Microsoft as good enough.
>>
>
> Adam,
>
> You bring up good points. And I agree with them, too a certain extent.
> To use your analogy, if the circular saw I was using didn't hack it, I'd
> buy a different brand. By the way, I also dual boot with Ubuntu and
> true, they don't have service packs but I seem to get notice of 5-15
> patches every couple of days it seems. So they don't appear to be doing
> much better and their installed base is significantly less. On top of
> that, I still can't get wireless and some dvds to play correctly. I
> like playing with Ubuntu, but I can't say I get much actual work done
> with it. So, I choose the os that allows me to get my work done in the
> least objectionable manner. I also don't see any performance
> differences between Ubuntu and XP or Vista. But that's my observations.
>
> Dick
>

Which version of Ubuntu are you running?

Alias
 
On Jun 4, 9:00 am, Alias <iamal...@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote:
> Dick wrote:
>
> > "Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
> >news:atbd4413b624s5qgj0vouthnpqsding6ug@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:37:29 -0400, "Dick" <rsutto...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>> "Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
>
> >>>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>
> >>> Bottom line, people love to hate Microsoft.  Without them, who would we
> >>> bash?  After all, they are #1.  It almost becomes a religious war.  
> >>> To me,
> >>> an operating system is just a tool to get my job done.
>
> >>> Dick
>
> >> People expect more from leaders. Nobody can deny that Microsoft is the
> >> biggest software developer. Yet they never seem able to do better than
> >> give us mediocre software. Take Windows. It's always released buggy,
> >> always late to get released, always missing features they promised
> >> would be included this time, always needing to be patched and of
> >> course always requiring some Service Pack down the road.
>
> >> Pointing out such failings isn't bashing nor should pointing out
> >> obvious flaws be looked at as some religious war.
>
> >> It is simply wondering that how come with over twenty years under it's
> >> belt and too many versions to list why can't Microsoft finally deliver
> >> a version of Windows that really is as close as humanly possible to
> >> being bug free? Vista surely isn't the one.
>
> >> The irony is the best version of Windows ever released, XP, is on
> >> Microsoft's chopping block.
>
> >> Yes, you could look at Windows as a tool. But seriously now, if your
> >> tool was a circular saw you used to construct homes would you keep
> >> buying the same brand if it couldn't cut through wood without the
> >> blade constantly binding, the motor smoking and the saw slipping out
> >> of your hands due to poor design and kicking you in the solar plexus?
> >> I doubt it.
>
> >> The thing I never will understand is WHY so many willing accept
> >> mediocre performance from Microsoft as good enough.
>
> > Adam,
>
> > You bring up good points.  And I agree with them, too a certain extent..  
> > To use your analogy, if the circular saw I was using didn't hack it, I'd
> > buy a different brand.  By the way, I also dual boot with Ubuntu and
> > true, they don't have service packs but I seem to get notice of 5-15
> > patches every couple of days it seems.  So they don't appear to be doing
> > much better and their installed base is significantly less.  On top of
> > that, I still can't get wireless and some dvds to play correctly.  I
> > like playing with Ubuntu, but I can't say I get much actual work done
> > with it.  So, I choose the os that allows me to get my work done in the
> > least objectionable manner.  I also don't see any performance
> > differences between Ubuntu and XP or Vista. But that's my observations.
>
> > Dick
>
> Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
>
> Alias- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Who cares what version of Ubuntu anybody runs? Ubuntu is just a piece
of crap TOY OS that geeks use when they can't get girlfriends.
 
"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g261sb$g7o$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>>> I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
>>> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
>>> more true now.
>>>
>>> Here it is:
>>>
>>> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
>>> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
>>> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
>>> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
>>> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>>>
>>> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
>>> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
>>> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
>>> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
>>> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
>>> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
>>> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
>>> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
>>> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
>>> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
>>> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
>>> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
>>> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
>>> to label Vista as a disaster.
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>>
>>
>>
>> It is a Microsoft help group. Expect people who use and like Microsoft
>> products to present themselves here.
>>
>> The pity is that people can't come here without having to run the
>> gauntlet of trolls..
>>
>>
>
> So why don't you take your lying trolling elsewhere? BTW, this group is
> vista.general, not vista.help. I hope that *helps*.
>
> Alias

Only if you could remember that this group is VISTA.GENERAL. That means
Ubuntu has nothing to do with Vista. You are just too stupid to figure that
one out.
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:q1dd44lh3vjhvdprmj0r1ls33a98ihtmtm@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:40:10 -0400, "upyurbuttoo"
> <upyurbuttoo@upyurbuttoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:38lb441c831j3cjbh6pt4t4er5gg61f2m2@4ax.com...
>>>I thought it would be fun to revisit one of my first posts to this
>>> newsgroup back in February of 2007. It rang true then, it even rings
>>> more true now.
>>>
>>> Here it is:
>>>
>>> The main problem with ALL Microsoft "support" groups is they are
>>> infested with way too many Microsoft butt kissers (ie MVP's) that
>>> simply seem unable to give objective advice and generally color their
>>> comments to favor Microsoft decisions no matter what. I find it
>>> amusing, but also misleading, harmful and counterproductive. :-)
>>>
>>> The reality is Vista follows a long line of previous Windows releases
>>> that also were buggy, not tested well enough under real world
>>> conditions, is overpriced, lacks imagination, contains flawed,
>>> crippled or broken features, removes items that were hinted at being
>>> included in beta releases or shifts wanted features to the most
>>> expensive version and perhaps the worse thing, leaves bugs that were
>>> reported in earlier versions of Windows with Vista adding many new
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> In other words, typical Microsoft software. Overpriced, not thoroughly
>>> tested, not ready for prime time and sure to frustrate millions with
>>> useless things like UAC that mostly gets in the way rather then
>>> helping or offering any real security. Add in a useless Vista Upgrade
>>> Advisor that lulls users into falsely thinking their system is ready
>>> to have Vista installed when it often crashes in a BSOD due to driver
>>> issues the Advisor claimed "shouldn't" be a problem, yes, it is fair
>>> to label Vista as a disaster.
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>>
>>
>>So go back in your moms basement and keep sniffing her panties. Nobody
>>cares
>>about your lies
>
> I can always tell I made my point when some idiot like you says
> something like you just did. <snicker>
>
>
And the readers here can always tell when Adam insults someone. What is
wrong? Did your nurse not change your diaper this morning?
 
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:57:18 -0400, "Dick" <rsutton43@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:atbd4413b624s5qgj0vouthnpqsding6ug@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:37:29 -0400, "Dick" <rsutton43@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>
>>>Bottom line, people love to hate Microsoft. Without them, who would we
>>>bash? After all, they are #1. It almost becomes a religious war. To me,
>>>an operating system is just a tool to get my job done.
>>>
>>>Dick
>>
>> People expect more from leaders. Nobody can deny that Microsoft is the
>> biggest software developer. Yet they never seem able to do better than
>> give us mediocre software. Take Windows. It's always released buggy,
>> always late to get released, always missing features they promised
>> would be included this time, always needing to be patched and of
>> course always requiring some Service Pack down the road.
>>
>> Pointing out such failings isn't bashing nor should pointing out
>> obvious flaws be looked at as some religious war.
>>
>> It is simply wondering that how come with over twenty years under it's
>> belt and too many versions to list why can't Microsoft finally deliver
>> a version of Windows that really is as close as humanly possible to
>> being bug free? Vista surely isn't the one.
>>
>> The irony is the best version of Windows ever released, XP, is on
>> Microsoft's chopping block.
>>
>> Yes, you could look at Windows as a tool. But seriously now, if your
>> tool was a circular saw you used to construct homes would you keep
>> buying the same brand if it couldn't cut through wood without the
>> blade constantly binding, the motor smoking and the saw slipping out
>> of your hands due to poor design and kicking you in the solar plexus?
>> I doubt it.
>>
>> The thing I never will understand is WHY so many willing accept
>> mediocre performance from Microsoft as good enough.
>>
>
>Adam,
>
>You bring up good points. And I agree with them, too a certain extent. To
>use your analogy, if the circular saw I was using didn't hack it, I'd buy a
>different brand.

Yep, for saws that's an alternative. Sadly with operating systems it
always isn't. I'm just one of tens of millions of Windows users that
feels trapped. Over the years, like many others, I've invested a good
deal in Windows based software. I don't even want to add up the cost.
Many thousands of dollars, that's for sure.

As I've explained several times in the past I do professional level
video editing. I have only two real choices. Stick with Sony's Vegas
(which I love because it is such a good application, and it is rock
solid under Windows) or switch to a Mac and invest in Final Cut Pro,
also very good, but nearly three times the price of Vegas.

I've looked at Linux alternatives and there simply aren't any video
editing choices suitable that come with the tools I need. I've asked,
almost begged, Sony to port Vegas to some other OS and their Product
Manager's comment was when hell freezes over.

So you see I'm stuck like so many are, regardless what type of
software we're talking about ONCE you get past the basic stuff that
works on any platform like some office suite, just a plain text
editor, spreadsheet or simplistic graphic program, browser, email
client and so on.

I'd ditch Windows in a heart beat IF I could find decent suitable
software than runs on another platform. Software developers simply
don't offer their Windows based software on other platforms since
there aren't enough users to make the effort profitable. Corel learned
that lesson when several years ago they offered their flagship product
on Linux. It was a dud and cost them a fortune and now Corel Corp. is
a shadow of what it once was.

My big beef with Windows isn't so much with how applications I've
purchased run under it, rather how Windows ITSELF performs doing basic
chores. It simply doesn't perform well. Ignoring the typical noise
from the usual sources that blindly sing praises of Microsoft out of
ignorance for not knowing any better, most seasoned users know all too
well that Windows is a dog and a resources hog. Vista more so than XP.
What really pisses me is Microsoft can't even deliver a version of
their shell that handles simple every day file handling efficiently.
Over twenty years and counting and they STILL can't do it. If that
isn't bad enough Windows Explorer often tells you it needs to shut
down and restart. It never manages to say why, it just does. Pathetic!
Video editing when working with huge files in high quality is
demanding on any OS regardless what you're using. Suffering through
long waits as Vista chucks along tying to copy/move such files
watching the moronic bar at the top of Explorer slowly crawl right,
only to repeat it's journey from extreme left multiple times if moving
more than one file or suffering through some Com Surrogate bogus error
message if trying to play a perfectly valid video file that has the
proper CODEC on the system or any of the other dumb things Vista does
is simply unacceptable. There's no excuses for it.

Everything about multimedia and video particularly on the Windows
platform STINKS. Microsoft's default browser, Media Player, is a joke
and often sputters then dies or says it couldn't pay a file AFTER it
finishes doing exactly that or is three quarters of the way through
it. The included Movie Maker, a mere toy. Windows Explorer doing
something simple like remembering how I told it to sort folders, then
changing without reason, frustrating. Suffering through the nag
screens of UAC that refuses to learn from past experience laughable,
having to tolerate Digital Rights Management nonsense totally
unnecessary.

So basically like many other experienced users I'm frustrated. At a
basic level Vista works...sort of. If you don't push your system it
may never show any of the signs of being broke or at the very least in
serious need of repair. If all you do is simplistic stuff you may
never know how bad Vista is. If you do know, you wonder why the peanut
gallery doesn't want to know about such problems.

Bet the farm Microsoft likes it like that. If the majority of users
accept good enough, is good enough, and if Microsoft continues to get
away forcing box makers to force feed their OS onto 90+ of the boxes
sold, nothing changes.

I like millions of others feel trapped. We don't want Windows, would
love to kick the habit, we wish we could use something else, but
really there isn't any other choice unless you throw in the towel and
start over which isn't really a practical solution.

Linux isn't ready for much of the specialized software some require
and Apple is too damn expensive plus offers limited hardware choices.

You got to hand it to Gates and Ballmer. They are all too aware of the
above and laugh all the way to the bank by successfully having created
a monopoly. Microsoft enjoys a strangle hold on the software industry,
and they've brainwashed the masses into thinking what they offer is as
good as it gets.
 
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:09:19 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>> Is there such a thing as a Quality Control Department at Microsoft?
>>>>
>>>
>>>So go back in your moms basement and keep sniffing her panties. Nobody
>>>cares about your lies
>>
>> I can always tell I made my point when some idiot like you says
>> something like you just did. <snicker>

>And the readers here can always tell when Adam insults someone. What is
>wrong? Did your nurse not change your diaper this morning?

As expected, Yanaire just confirmed what I said.

Like shooting fish in a barrel. -)
 
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