Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

August 8, 200717 yr

It's not a 64bit problem as exactly the same thing happened to me (though

not 30% thankfully!) with my jpgs and I have a 32-bit version of Vista. And

others have posted similar experiences to these newsgroups.

I lost progress photos of an oil painting of my 100 year old Granma I am

doing! Like you I naively trusted WPG not to do something totally ourageous

and stupid the first time I used it!

I am totally dissatisfied with Vista's file handling capabilities over

networks and from and to USB devices - it is unreliable and dangerous! I

don't know whether it is just a Photo Gallery problem or a combination of

that program and the way Vista handles files and uses different

'permissions' from XP, but it is definitely a Vista problem. It seems to be

worst when moving high volumes of very large files from one USB device to

another.

How can MS get away with producing such consistently bad products with such

serious bugs? My stress levels have definitely risen since purchasing two

Vista equipped machines, both of which have had major problems with the new

OS.

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> I tried every variation of the bios usb settings,

> Updated the bios too, no change. :(

>

> Next thing I will try is installing xp 64 and see if I get the same

> problem.

> I'm also going to contact gigabyte and see if they have any ideas.

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Im sure its already been elsewhere in the newsgroups but Greg,

MS have release two hotfixes that are going to be in next patch

tuesday,

'KB938194 '

(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ae2f819d-c33d-48db-a7e3-62eef7c1f7c2&displaylang=en)

& 'KB938979'

(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=3FB80BB9-D832-425B-B42C-D3EB2071BBEC&displaylang=en)

Performance and reliability patches for vista. the fix the network

problems and alot of peoples usb/camera and memory issues.

Unfortunalty not mine. Gigabyte is yet to open my issue I sent them 3

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I too am having similar problems. I have a newly purchased Acer Aspire

E380 with AMDAthlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ 2.20 GHz with

Vista Home Premium.

It happens when I try to import pictures from my Sony DSC-V1 camera

(read from USB device action). My workaround is to import to an XP

machine and then transfer the files to my Vista machine over my home

network (wireless).

It also happens if I try to save a picture from Internet Explorer onto

a USB extermal drive (write to USB device action). The files

immediately corrupt when I try to save and the result shows as

corrupted on XP machines as well.

All file operations to/from the internal drive are fine.

An interesting observation is that 'sometimes' if I transfer a

corrupted file from my external drive onto my Vista machine via USB,

the corruption will correct itself on the transfer. I can then

transfer the file from my Vista back to my external drive repeatedly

until it transfers intact. This appears to work 50% of the time.

Another observation is that sometimes jpg files on my external drive

that were previously fine will corrupt when I attempt to write new

files. I can usually correct this with the procedure I described in my

preceding paragraph.

The common denominator does appear to be transferring to/from external

disks attached via USB. Not sure whether it's an Acer USB hardware

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:52:39 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2vgx3e@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

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>I too am having similar problems. I have a newly purchased Acer Aspire

>E380 with AMDAthlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ 2.20 GHz with

>Vista Home Premium.

>

>It happens when I try to import pictures from my Sony DSC-V1 camera

>(read from USB device action). My workaround is to import to an XP

>machine and then transfer the files to my Vista machine over my home

>network (wireless).

>

>It also happens if I try to save a picture from Internet Explorer onto

>a USB extermal drive (write to USB device action). The files

>immediately corrupt when I try to save and the result shows as

>corrupted on XP machines as well.

>

>All file operations to/from the internal drive are fine.

>

>An interesting observation is that 'sometimes' if I transfer a

>corrupted file from my external drive onto my Vista machine via USB,

>the corruption will correct itself on the transfer. I can then

>transfer the file from my Vista back to my external drive repeatedly

>until it transfers intact. This appears to work 50% of the time.

>

>Another observation is that sometimes jpg files on my external drive

>that were previously fine will corrupt when I attempt to write new

>files. I can usually correct this with the procedure I described in my

>preceding paragraph.

>

>The common denominator does appear to be transferring to/from external

>disks attached via USB. Not sure whether it's an Acer USB hardware

>issue, a Vista USB driver issue or a combination of the 2.

Are you using the camera software to do the import ?

Update all drivers, particularly the cameras. You say it's only 30%. Get ahold of http://www.irfanview.com and use that. Best FREE image tool out there.

I found out using IV that photoshop 3 images were subject to lots of problems. But you need some info not visible without a lot of digging thru IPTC, EXIF, etc.. plus some things you can only see in hex view. Your 30% is most likely a 100% if you do it one specific way. IOW: Fails every time using camera x on machine x mode x etc.. Then again it could be the software you're using to do the transfers.

But here's the 1st question. Corruption corrects itself ? Not gonna happen. What ever you're using to view the corrupt images is telling you wrong information. I've seen it myself. 1 program can't handle all the extras included in an image, so it guesses, and mostly wrong guesses resulting in a corrupt view. Use a different BETTER program to view the same image, and voila nothing wrong.

The common denominator from what you described is the external drive. Are you USB 2 ? or a mish mash of the 2, USB 1 & USB 2 ?

I also have a USB external drive. But I've never written directly to it. I've always gone with just plain copying to & from.

Not entirely right, I no longer use the drives software because it's out of date, was written for XP, and the company now belongs to Seagate = no support for old drives.

is the camera USB 1 or USB 2 ?

XP and Vista are USB 2 from the get go.

is the camera ALSO USB 2 ?

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Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

No, I am not using any camera software. I am accessing it as a USB

storage device, similar to my USB drive. I don't use Photoshop.

Yes, it would appear that I am experiencing 2 problems. How the file

is being viewed (or read), and how it is written. I never have view

problems from my internal drive. For viewing, I typically just use the

Windows Photo Gallery application ('Preview').

I agree that it doesn't make sense that the corruption would correct

itself upon a transfer out and then a rewrite back in, however, it does

seem to be a workaround for the view problem. However, if the transfer

out is unsuccessful (a trial and error thing) and I rewrite it back in

with the bad copy from my Vista, it is permanent.

These devices date back to year 2003. Your question as to whether my

devices are USB 1 or 2 sounds interesting. That could be it. Is this

determination in the firmware of the device? As I say, I'm not using

any drivers or applications from the original installation disks, as

they would be for XP anyway. And I cannot locate any updated Vista

compatible drivers for either device as of yet.

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:07:18 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2vh5fe@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

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>Hi,

>

>Thanks for the reply.

>

>No, I am not using any camera software. I am accessing it as a USB

>storage device, similar to my USB drive. I don't use Photoshop.

I only mentioned PS as there is a 100% problem with PS3 files.

I don't use PS 3 either, but the files are on the web.

You should have some software from the camera to actually do the downloads.

I'd try and find it.

>

>Yes, it would appear that I am experiencing 2 problems. How the file

>is being viewed (or read), and how it is written. I never have view

>problems from my internal drive. For viewing, I typically just use the

>Windows Photo Gallery application ('Preview').

Try irfanview. and see if there's actually a problem with the files BEFORE doing anything with them.

>I agree that it doesn't make sense that the corruption would correct

>itself upon a transfer out and then a rewrite back in, however, it does

>seem to be a workaround for the view problem. However, if the transfer

if it's corrupted that's it. no amount of copying is going to restore pixels that were never there.

>out is unsuccessful (a trial and error thing) and I rewrite it back in

>with the bad copy from my Vista, it is permanent.

IOW: You're writing a bad copy twice over what you think is a bad copy. There's something else going on. And I'd suspect the software making the transfers.

Use IV to import from the camera.

>These devices date back to year 2003. Your question as to whether my

>devices are USB 1 or 2 sounds interesting. That could be it. Is this

>determination in the firmware of the device? As I say, I'm not using

>any drivers or applications from the original installation disks, as

>they would be for XP anyway. And I cannot locate any updated Vista

>compatible drivers for either device as of yet.

What I know about USB 1 & USB 2 is below.

I think there is something like a USB 1 to USB 2 converter, but I wouldn't go that far yet.

They're 2 different things. One more way to make you replace ALL your old equipment. See stuff that's more than a year old = OLD equipment.

XP was upgraded to USB 2. Vista was ALWAYS USB 2.

If the external was 2003, then yes I'd think it was USB 1 compatible.

update drivers - Start - admin tools - computer management - device management -

under disk drives, find the external. right click update driver or properties - driver - update driver. This may just try to reload, or tell you that you already have the best driver. Machines lazy or not smart enough to find a good one on the web. I would definitely find the camera software, and usage manual. Some may be available on the web. I found a 20 year old manual for a radio shack scanner on the web.

Check the web site of the camera for drivers. or google for the camera.

But 1st use IV to confirm the images aren't already crapped on the camera, and if not, just let IV move them. I haven't found much that IV can't do with an image. Again it's fast & FREE. You don't need to subscribe to anything or promise your 1st born. It's been free for more than 9 years.

troubleshooting = DON'T RELY on just 1 piece of test equipment. This expands to don't rely on just 2 pieces or more of test equipment.

I spent 24 hours replacing 3 radios to fix the 1 bad radio on 1 airplane. We DETAILED that plane and finally came to the conclusion that we had 3 different radios that ALL had the EXACT same problem. 4th radio was the charm. We did have 3 bad radios all with the exact same problem.

Use several programs to view your images from the camera. They may already be corrupt on the camera. But that's where you need to start your troubleshooting, from the SOURCE of the images. If they're ok there, do a transfer. re-check them with same view software. This way you eliminate or create a constant. camera = constant, view software = constant, transfer software = constant. If after the transfer the image is bad, change one of the constants. view software, or transfer software. I'd go with transfer software 1st.

And actually this should be the 1st thing to check, how's the batteries in the camera ?

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wbarbourca wrote:

> I too am having similar problems. I have a newly purchased Acer Aspire

> E380 with AMDAthlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ 2.20 GHz with

> Vista Home Premium.

>

> It happens when I try to import pictures from my Sony DSC-V1 camera

> (read from USB device action). My workaround is to import to an XP

> machine and then transfer the files to my Vista machine over my home

> network (wireless).

>

> It also happens if I try to save a picture from Internet Explorer onto

> a USB extermal drive (write to USB device action). The files

> immediately corrupt when I try to save and the result shows as

> corrupted on XP machines as well.

>

> All file operations to/from the internal drive are fine.

>

> An interesting observation is that 'sometimes' if I transfer a

> corrupted file from my external drive onto my Vista machine via USB,

> the corruption will correct itself on the transfer. I can then

> transfer the file from my Vista back to my external drive repeatedly

> until it transfers intact. This appears to work 50% of the time.

>

> Another observation is that sometimes jpg files on my external drive

> that were previously fine will corrupt when I attempt to write new

> files. I can usually correct this with the procedure I described in my

> preceding paragraph.

>

> The common denominator does appear to be transferring to/from external

> disks attached via USB. Not sure whether it's an Acer USB hardware

> issue, a Vista USB driver issue or a combination of the 2.

May have been missed in the excellent advice you already got. Do you

mean you can import from the camera to XP perfectly every time? If so

then the import to Vista fails 30% of the time. Is that right?

Of the 30% are they always the same pictures that get messed up or if

you import (say) 10 random pictures several times in different order

does it work out as 30% but different pictures. I am thinking it IS a

USB problem and / or a combination of that and something in the files.

If it's always the same ones then I'd guess that the Sony driver is

sending some parameter that doesn't make sense to Vista's idea of JPC spec.

Can you get the camera to transfer in any other format such as .bmp?

Just a suggestion, you already have someone who probably knows a lot

more about image formats than I do :)

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Hi,

Thanks for the reply and your questions. In short:

Yes, I can import to XP perfectly every time. The problem only appears

on my Vista machine.

The problem occurs rqndomly, i.e., it is not with the same pictures

every time.

I can import to .tiff or.bmp but I have not tried that yet. Time

permitting, I agree, it is a worthwhile experiment!

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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:53:05 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2virrb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

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>Hi,

>

>Thanks for the reply and your questions. In short:

>

>Yes, I can import to XP perfectly every time. The problem only appears

>on my Vista machine.

Then it boils down to a software problem. Or very possibly all that security crap they hung on Vista. UAC specifically.

Try turning UAC off on some images that always fail. This troubleshooting is called elimination.

Eliminate the possible variables that could cause the failures.

UAC - Off - start - top USER picture - bottom of page - turn UAC on or Off

Now try your imports to Vista.

This is why I suggested IV. It becomes a constant, allowing you to eliminate the software glitch on both machines.

There's also the fact that Vista made thousands of computer programs and hardware obsolete.

XP had a compatibility thing. There's also something similar at M$ for Vista. you might check and see if any of the software is listed there.

>The problem occurs rqndomly, i.e., it is not with the same pictures

>every time.

same pictures or extensions ?

>I can import to .tiff or.bmp but I have not tried that yet. Time

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A small update... I have determined that the pictures on the camera are

fine. My PC has a slot that will accept the camera's memory stick, so I

can do my transfers directly to my Vista machine that way. No

corruption whatsoever. Although the problem remains unsolved,

transferring in this manner is 100% acceptable for me. Now it's just

my Datastor external drive.

Turning UAC off had no effect.

Both my camera and my Pocketec Datastor are USB 2 so USB 1

incompatibility isn't the problem. Unfortunately, no Vista drivers

appear to exist for either device. Datastor claims that no drivers are

required for Windows 2000/Me/XP. The manual was written before Vista's

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:18:28 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2vl0bf@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

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>A small update... I have determined that the pictures on the camera are

>fine. My PC has a slot that will accept the camera's memory stick, so I

>can do my transfers directly to my Vista machine that way. No

>corruption whatsoever. Although the problem remains unsolved,

>transferring in this manner is 100% acceptable for me. Now it's just

>my Datastor external drive.

>

>Turning UAC off had no effect.

>

>Both my camera and my Pocketec Datastor are USB 2 so USB 1

>incompatibility isn't the problem. Unfortunately, no Vista drivers

>appear to exist for either device. Datastor claims that no drivers are

>required for Windows 2000/Me/XP. The manual was written before Vista's

>time.

I've sort of lost track on this what the exact problem is. one way it works, one way it doesn't, one OS it works, one it doesn't..

I would say once again use IV to make all your transfers once you get them onto a machine intact out of the camera. Or directly from the external Pocketec Datastor or camera. Some cameras CAN be used as storage devices. ie: you can also save data to them.

IV shouldn't have any trouble actually picking the images off the camera and putting them anywhere on any drive without going thru any 3rd party OS or Drives.

Plug the camera in where you can, fire up IV and select the camera. then use IV's copy or move option [there's about 8 presets] to move to any drive path you want.

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Hi,

I'm almost too embarassed to ask, but my Google search for IV produced

confusing results at best. What eactly is 'IV' and where can I get

it??

I'm certainly willing to give it a try.

BTW. This thread has now expanded to the point of several people

expressing the same or similar problems. As such, I believe it may be

getting confusing to track unless you look at the sender's id closely.

My post was NOT the original.

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> Hi,

>

> Thanks for the reply.

>

> No, I am not using any camera software. I am accessing it as a USB

> storage device, similar to my USB drive. I don't use Photoshop.

>

> Yes, it would appear that I am experiencing 2 problems. How the file

> is being viewed (or read), and how it is written. I never have view

> problems from my internal drive. For viewing, I typically just use the

> Windows Photo Gallery application ('Preview').

>

> I agree that it doesn't make sense that the corruption would correct

> itself upon a transfer out and then a rewrite back in, however, it does

> seem to be a workaround for the view problem. However, if the transfer

> out is unsuccessful (a trial and error thing) and I rewrite it back in

> with the bad copy from my Vista, it is permanent.

>

> These devices date back to year 2003. Your question as to whether my

> devices are USB 1 or 2 sounds interesting. That could be it. Is this

> determination in the firmware of the device? As I say, I'm not using

> any drivers or applications from the original installation disks, as

> they would be for XP anyway. And I cannot locate any updated Vista

> compatible drivers for either device as of yet.

>

> Thanks again.

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I had the same problem in Vista when I tried importing my photos from

my external USB drive (all NTFS formated).

Ruined hundreds of photos - now showing only partial images. Expensive

repair software (can't recall the name) can probably fix some of them.

Trial copy seemed to indicate so.

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IrfanView

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> Hi,

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> I'm almost too embarassed to ask, but my Google search for IV produced

> confusing results at best. What eactly is 'IV' and where can I get

> it??

>

> I'm certainly willing to give it a try.

>

> BTW. This thread has now expanded to the point of several people

> expressing the same or similar problems. As such, I believe it may be

> getting confusing to track unless you look at the sender's id closely.

> My post was NOT the original.

>

> Thanks.

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>Hi,

>

>I'm almost too embarassed to ask, but my Google search for IV produced

>confusing results at best. What eactly is 'IV' and where can I get

>it??

>

>I'm certainly willing to give it a try.

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>I had the same problem in Vista when I tried importing my photos from

>my external USB drive (all NTFS formated).

>Ruined hundreds of photos - now showing only partial images. Expensive

>repair software (can't recall the name) can probably fix some of them.

Well I tried to duplicate this problem, but I only have the vista to play with.

I copied some good pix from my N: Maxtor external drive to my O: plugin 250 meg

USB drive.

My O: USB = FAT system

My N: Maxtor = NTFS

rest of the drives = NTFS

I viewed them after copying them with IV, and they looked fine.

Also copied them from N: to O: and O: to C:\temp

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Hi,

Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have

the same problem.

I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware

incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection.

Unfortunately, no driver/downloadable firmware updates appear to exist

for these older devices (as of yet). The data simply gets corrupted in

transfers, whether or not that transfer is a file copy read, a file copy

write or even just a read and display from the remote device by an

application on the Vista machine such as IV. In all cases, the data

just doesn't go across the USB cable and come out the other side

intact.

It happens with TIFF and BMP as well as JPG. I have also had

corruptions with videos in MPG, AVI, WMV and FLV formats. Never

noticed a problem with other file types such as word, powerpoint, etc..

In fact, when I bought my new Vista machine I transferred my entire "My

Documents" directory (almost 1G of data) from my XP machine using the

same Pocketec Datastor USB 2.0 (40G) with no problems whatsoever. It

just doesn't like pictures or video.

As I say, the files on the Sony DSC-v1 or Pocketec Datastor may be fine

initially, as can be proven with an XP machine. However, file transfers

to/from the Vista machine over USB will produce permanently corrupted

results. However, file transfers to/from the Vista machine by any

other means (e.g. network transfers from an XP machine, or plugging the

memory stick directly into the slot on the Vista machine) from these

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:12 +0530, wbarbourca

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>Hi,

>

>Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have

>the same problem.

>

>I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware

>incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection.

Could also just be buggy Vista. Have you seen this?

http://blog.tiensivu.com/aaron/archives/1192-2-essential-pre-SP1-Vista-rollup-patches-released-KB-938194-and-KB-938979.html

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>Hi,

>

>Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have

>the same problem.

couple questions...

with IV, what did the image look like when you loaded it into IV from the

stick, onto the vista machine ?

ie:

IV installed on Vista machine.

stick = drive M: or whatever...

fire up IV from the vista, browse to M: and an image path.

Load up an image.. what's it look like ? Corrupted or not ?

F7 to move & delete from M: or F6 to copy, pick a location on the Vista machine

and Save it there if it appears correctly in IV..

If it works then,

use 'T' thumbnails. F7 or F6, and move/copy them to the new path/drive.

Did they corrupt or not ?

or F6 to Copy files from that drive. I don't think you really want something

deleting the files from the stick, b4 you work out the bugs.

Did you email the makers of the stick about this problem ?

>I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware

>incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection.

That would be my guess also.. Which would mean you should be able to google for

the stick, and pick thru the results until you see one that sounds like your

problem.

>Unfortunately, no driver/downloadable firmware updates appear to exist

>for these older devices (as of yet). The data simply gets corrupted in

>transfers, whether or not that transfer is a file copy read, a file copy

>write or even just a read and display from the remote device by an

>application on the Vista machine such as IV. In all cases, the data

>just doesn't go across the USB cable and come out the other side

>intact.

>

>It happens with TIFF and BMP as well as JPG. I have also had

>corruptions with videos in MPG, AVI, WMV and FLV formats. Never

>noticed a problem with other file types such as word, powerpoint, etc..

>In fact, when I bought my new Vista machine I transferred my entire "My

>Documents" directory (almost 1G of data) from my XP machine using the

>same Pocketec Datastor USB 2.0 (40G) with no problems whatsoever. It

>just doesn't like pictures or video.

>

>As I say, the files on the Sony DSC-v1 or Pocketec Datastor may be fine

>initially, as can be proven with an XP machine. However, file transfers

>to/from the Vista machine over USB will produce permanently corrupted

>results. However, file transfers to/from the Vista machine by any

>other means (e.g. network transfers from an XP machine, or plugging the

>memory stick directly into the slot on the Vista machine) from these

>devices are fine.

Which sounds correct. meaning the stick & the vista & XP are compatible.

Hmm... am I understanding you right, you're plugging the USB cable from one

machine to the other directly ?

Not real sure if a USB cable was designed for that sort of thing. Feedback =

corruption!

But you'll need someone that's done those type of transfers to help any

further. I think you need a parallel cable or fire wire or modem for machine to

machine transfers. Actually, what it sounds like you need to do is set up your

Vista & XP on a home Intranet. That's beyond me. I have no use for 2 machines

being connected. Never much dug into how to setup an intranet. But I'm pretty

sure you can bet it isn't done with 1 USB cable. Actually, I'm partially wrong

here. I did build a cable for an office intranet once. There were something

like 100 pins to 1 cable. Not exactly a USB cable.

Do you have any other cables from the XP to the Vista plugged in ?

I'm thinking with the USB plugged in to do the transfer, you may be having

other issues. Such as you would with 2 similar objects trying to do the same

job at the same time. Best illustrated when you have a bad phone connection and

hear the neighbors yakking away in the background on your phone. Poor

connection causing interference. resulting in bad images. And I'm guessing if

you did the same type transfer with 'My Documents', you probably have

corruption in them also. They're just not as visible as an image or movie. ie:

You'd need to run a spell checker to be sure.

Take a look at the cable on your monitor.. See that large round oblong thing on

the line to the monitor ? That's a filter to prevent interference. ie: The

computer itself broadcasts interference. The monitor does also. a USB cable is

normally unfiltered. If you have 2 cables connecting the Vista with the XP,

that might be your problem. Do you have a USB printer connected to both

machines ? Try unplugging that cable and do a transfer.

Any other USB things connected to both machines you failed to mention ? Or list

them all again..

Take the above and see if it matches your setup.. I'm just guessing now.

Actually, I'm not sure what you are doing.. ie: put data on the stick via USB

from the XP, then move the USB cable on the stick from the XP to the vista and

try to download from the stick ?

It should work, but even though the stick has a USB connection, there is such a

thing as signal loss over any wires. Plugging the stick in directly to the

Vista or XP negates the signal loss. There really shouldn't be any signal loss

over a normal length USB cable, but there could be signal interference going

on. Signal loss, interference = poor transfer. That might explain the

differences you see in the transfers. No constant, except signal noise which

would be a variable resulting in a different corrupted image as long as the

interference is present.

I wouldn't rule out dirty contacts on either the USB device or the cable

itself. A rubber pencil eraser on the contacts should be able to restore them

if necessary.

See if any of the above sounds like your situation...

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A big hello to my friend ‘keepout’:

With respect to IV, in all of the cases you mentioned, the files were

corrupted, whether copying or simply viewing.

I have not emailed the ‘stick’ manufacturers with the

problem (yet). As this is supposed to be ‘plug-n-play’

equipment, I wanted to exhaust as many other possibilities as are

possible beforehand. But I fear that unless this is a popular problem

from many complainants, I doubt they would write a new driver for old

equipment (i.e. circa 2003 for XP) just for me?? I have not yet tried

any new storage devices to see if the same problems exist.

I have never tried to inter-connect the XP and Vista machines directly

via USB. Myself, I don’t see how that would be possible, as how

would one machine appear as an external device with respect to the

other? It would have to be peer-to-peer over a network, in which case

I think my transfers would be fine.

The file copies or reads that have exhibited my problem have always

been machine-to-storage-device, or storage-device-to-machine, both via

USB, i.e. the ‘stick’ has always been in the middle of the

transfer or read. In fact, file transfers from XP to Vista are not

even the issue for me any more (it was merely the initial required task

at hand).

I believe that the issue is simply the integrity of file transfers (or

application reads), between old USB storage devices that contain image

files that have been proven NOT to be corrupt, and a Vista (or possibly

just an Acer) PC.

I’m sorry that my writings put your thinking into the direction

of peer-to-peer. That's a whole other ball game. Thankfully, my

peer-to-peer transfers are fine.

I have eliminated the possibility of dirty contacts or abnormal length

of USB cable that might introduce signal loss as being culprits.

I sincerely thank you for all of your time and help! I am now

convinced that the answer lies in finding compatible drivers.

wbarbourca

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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:07:27 +0530, wbarbourca

<wbarbourca.2w1ird@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

>The file copies or reads that have exhibited my problem have always

>been machine-to-storage-device, or storage-device-to-machine, both via

>USB, i.e. the ‘stick’ has always been in the middle of the

>transfer or read. In fact, file transfers from XP to Vista are not

>even the issue for me any more (it was merely the initial required task

>at hand).

Ok, maybe I have it. You have a USB cable. an XP computer, and a Vista

computer.

You haven't mentioned a USB port on the XP machine, which makes me think that's

why you're using a USB cable.

I assume your XP has a USB port on the rear of the XP, else how could you

connect a USB drive to it ?

When I had my XP built, I had a 4 port USB extender installed on the front of

the machine exactly to avoid a bunch of cables, and over movement of the

machine to access rear ports. They aren't very expensive, and you could install

one yourself. Just stick it in where the floppy goes, or another blank in the

front. It has a long cable that reaches from front to back, and lot's of

electronics. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a signal amplifier and lot's of

noise filters in that box also.

Then just plug the stick into the XP USB port, do the transfer, plug it into

the Vista's USB port and finish. It all may be exactly what I thought.

Interference using a long USB cable.

Simple way to test this theory, with the computer off, position it so you can

easily access the USB ports on the rear of the XP. Install the stick into a

blank USB port. Boot, [and hope you didn't shake something loose moving the

machine, I used to do that every time. Spent more time tightening connections

than doing the actual work.]. Plug the camera in, Boot up, or plug the camera

in after a reboot, download the images to the stick. They should be fine. IV

should be able to verify they are.

remove the stick and stick it into the USB port on the vista. It should

[according to you ] transfer just fine this way.

I don't have a USB to USB cable to test this theory. But I think this will cure

the problem.

ie: on my XP there was 1 USB port that would ONLY work with either the printer

or the USB extender. I know squat about why that would matter. But I learned

use 1 port for this, and others for the other stuff.

I don't think external USB drives were meant to use a USB cable. My little 250

meg one doesn't use a cable.

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:12 +0530, wbarbourca

> <wbarbourca.2w14vg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have

>> the same problem.

>>

>> I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware

>> incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection.

>

> Could also just be buggy Vista. Have you seen this?

>

> http://blog.tiensivu.com/aaron/archives/1192-2-essential-pre-SP1-Vista-rollup-patches-released-KB-938194-and-KB-938979.html

>

Hmm, so MS can't figure out how to sign their own software still, and

when you see the "Improved" references to drivers it kinda negates all

the assertions made here that most user problems have been due to

various hardware manufacturers getting their drivers wrong...

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:38:34 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:12 +0530, wbarbourca

>> <wbarbourca.2w14vg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have

>>> the same problem.

>>>

>>> I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware

>>> incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection.

>>

>> Could also just be buggy Vista. Have you seen this?

>>

>> http://blog.tiensivu.com/aaron/archives/1192-2-essential-pre-SP1-Vista-rollup-patches-released-KB-938194-and-KB-938979.html

>>

>

>Hmm, so MS can't figure out how to sign their own software still, and

>when you see the "Improved" references to drivers it kinda negates all

>the assertions made here that most user problems have been due to

>various hardware manufacturers getting their drivers wrong...

I've been using a HP Vista HP, that I maxed out to 500 gigs drive, and 2 gigs

ram.

I've had only one problem that I can attribute to Vista. If I weren't using a

HDTV GT, I'd have had no problems. But the updated video drivers for the HP,

are incompatible with my TV.

I can agree with M$ that Vista is a very stable OS. But I've had 9 or 10 years

experience in setting things up.

But I'm not so naive as to think it's bullet proof. I thought Trend was until

they released an engine update that grabbed the 3.2 ghz 1 gig ram OS, and

turned it into a 16 kb, timex 1000. Actually it was even slower than that.

I wouldn't call Vista buggy. Just too slow..

this is a 2.8 ghz dual core.

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Problem still not solved... here are some responses to questions posted in

this forum.

1) All hard drives - external and internal are NTFS, not FAT formatted.

2) Issue is still happening even on new pictures I take. This happens

whether downloaded to PC by USB or by the internal card reader. Always using

SD card, but I've tried 3 cards all with the same results. About 1 in 5

pictures are goofy now.

3) SD cards always formatted on camera, not on PC.

4) Another strange fact I've noticed... not always the same pictures have

the problems. If I download, then put the SD card back in the camera and

then re-download to PC, different images are corrupt each time. Usually the

same, but sometimes okay and sometimes the same image is not okay.

5) I understand the concepts of troubleshooting. I've done all I can to

rule out certain things. So far it's down to the PC, which could include

Vista. PC is HP a6110n if that helps. BIOS version 5.08 5/4/2007.

6) I'd be happy to have a "professional" look at the PC, but I'd sure like

to know who qualifies as "professional" these days. I've contacted

Microsoft, they tell me to contact HP (after hours on hold of course). I get

in touch with HP (apparently in India), the guy tells me it's going to cost

money just to have me talk to someone. I say forget it. Why is it I buy a

$1000 computer and nobody will touch it. If the auto industry was like this

with their warranties, it would not be accepted at all. I'd be happy to get

some references for "professionals" that can speak English and can actual be

helpful and not just have be try things I've already tried.

Don't get me wrong, this forum has provided me some insight and I'm

appreciative of the free help I'm getting. I just can't believe the problem

I'm having is that hard to solve and here it is almost 6 weeks later and I'm

no further than I was with the issue.

If someone can solve this problem, I'll buy them a 6 pack of their favorite

beverage.

Thanks.

tewkes

"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> Can you view other jpg files OK? Can you download the files from one of the

> cameras on another computer? Are they OK on that computer? Can you then

> transfer them to the Vista computer? Are they still OK?. When

> troubleshooting you have to come up with a plan to eliminate possibilities

> one at a time. So far the the only possibilities you have eliminated are the

> camera and the SD card, as it happens with two different cameras and SD

> cards. You now have to bring another computer into play to eliminate the

> computer. At this point it really does sound like a problem with USB

> transfers. That is what all of the things you have tested have in common.

> They have all been used for transfers to/from this computer. The first I'd

> do is confirm that the USB drive, cameras, and SD cards work for read/writes

> on another computer.

>

> --

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> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

> http://www.vistahelp.ca

>

> "tewkes" <tewkes@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4F2A6F19-DE61-4672-B472-CD8548949A60@microsoft.com...

> > Why is everyone ruling out Vista so quickly. First, the USB drive was not

> > connected to my old PC when it crashed and burned. Second, even when the

> > USB

> > is disconnected from the new PC and I download photos direct from a camera

> > (2

> > kinds) they are corrupt. These are new photos also that I just took

> > today,

> > not old photos. Also, I formatted both SD cards prior to doing this test.

> >

> > "Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:

> >

> >> It would appear that whatever took out your main hard drive also took a

> >> shot

> >> at your USB drive too.. I doubt very much that Vista was the culprit..

> >>

> >> "tewkes" <tewkes@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:2CB0F141-2A20-4BD0-B7EC-0FB7115CF1B2@microsoft.com...

> >> > My HD crashed last week on my old PC. I was not too worried about it

> >> > since I

> >> > had been backing all pictures up to an external USB drive. Bought a

> >> > new

> >> > HP

> >> > PC with Vista Home Premium. Now when I view JPG files from the

> >> > external

> >> > drive they appear with lines in them and are all jumbled up. Not all

> >> > files,

> >> > but about 30% of them are like this.

> >> >

> >> > Is not...

> >> > program -- tried IRfanview, Xnview, many others

> >> > memory card (SD) - tried several

> >> > camera - tried at least 3

> >> > method of download - tried USB and SD card direct in PC memory reader

> >> >

> >> > Even when I put the Ext. drive on an XP laptop, the images all appear

> >> > the

> >> > same now. I have copied and pasted to another drive in the same PC and

> >> > even

> >> > other PCs and no difference.

> >> >

> >> > A few other strange items related... all thumbnails appear okay, but

> >> > when

> >> > opened they are jumbled. Sometimes the files look different - ie. one

> >> > file

> >> > could be jumbled in one program, then okay in another program,

> >> > sometimes

> >> > even

> >> > in the same program if I log off and back in the files appear

> >> > different.

> >> >

> >> > I can send copies of the files if anyone is interested. Please help.

> >> > I

> >> > am

> >> > very concerned that 30% of all photos I have saved the past 9-10 years

> >> > are

> >> > destroyed.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks for your help.

> >> >

> >> > Kris

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >> Mike Hall

> >> MS MVP Windows Shell/User

> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

> >>

>

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One other thing I thought of that may help dispute this as a USB issue...

Even old pictures that I took 8 years ago on a floppy drive that have not

recently been xferred by USB have this issue. This is true of those files on

internal and external hard drives.