Ringmaster wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:00:42 -0700, fb <fab@nospamm.net> wrote:

>

>

>>Ringmaster wrote:

>>

>>>On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:13:01 -0700, fb <fab@nospamm.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>IM-speak for "probably".

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Yep! :-)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>IM ====> idiotic moron. That's Frank's signature.

>>

>>You just can't be civil can you mr gotemeyer?

>

>

> Look who's talking.

 

That would be you mr gotemeyer.

http://24-7-solutions.net/reviews/hardware-firewall.html

 

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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> He's talking about the *software* firewall sitting on top of the router's

> OS which is installed on/in its hardware. I still don't understand what a

> "hardware firewall" is. I don't think there is any such thing.

>

> Anyway, that's what he's talking about, as you would know if you'd read

> the manual, too.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

Read that article. It describes a piece of hardware that has an OS installed

and on top of that OS is the firewall. It even calls the firewall software.

 

No, I think people who try to differentiate between hardware and software

firewalls are splitting hairs.

 

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> http://24-7-solutions.net/reviews/hardware-firewall.html

>

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> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:ezWqX0N8IHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> He's talking about the *software* firewall sitting on top of the router's

>> OS which is installed on/in its hardware. I still don't understand what a

>> "hardware firewall" is. I don't think there is any such thing.

>>

>> Anyway, that's what he's talking about, as you would know if you'd read

>> the manual, too.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>

>

I consider a dedicated piece of equipment, even though it uses software,

that filters content on the network and controls access to be a hardware

firewall.

The ones I use on the LAN even say Firewall on the equipment.

Software firewalls may have a place, but I don't think they are as secure.

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> Read that article. It describes a piece of hardware that has an OS

> installed and on top of that OS is the firewall. It even calls the

> firewall software.

>

> No, I think people who try to differentiate between hardware and software

> firewalls are splitting hairs.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Not Me" <cargodZeroOne@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>> http://24-7-solutions.net/reviews/hardware-firewall.html

>>

>> --

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>> CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com

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>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:ezWqX0N8IHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> He's talking about the *software* firewall sitting on top of the

>>> router's OS which is installed on/in its hardware. I still don't

>>> understand what a "hardware firewall" is. I don't think there is any

>>> such thing.

>>>

>>> Anyway, that's what he's talking about, as you would know if you'd read

>>> the manual, too.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>>

>

>

What makes you say so? Dedicated housing or not, it's still a bunch of

software watching what goes by. And, just so I'm sure we're on the same

page, when you say "software firewall", are you referring to something

installed on a PC or a server, or do you include the firewall in a router as

being "software"? After all, that firewall is only one part of the device,

not generally considered the most important one, even. That crown belongs to

NAT.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Not Me" <cargod01@bresnan.net> wrote in message

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>I consider a dedicated piece of equipment, even though it uses software,

>that filters content on the network and controls access to be a hardware

>firewall.

> The ones I use on the LAN even say Firewall on the equipment.

> Software firewalls may have a place, but I don't think they are as secure.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:e$XWTpR8IHA.4924@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Read that article. It describes a piece of hardware that has an OS

>> installed and on top of that OS is the firewall. It even calls the

>> firewall software.

>>

>> No, I think people who try to differentiate between hardware and software

>> firewalls are splitting hairs.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Not Me" <cargodZeroOne@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:O1ZDIPR8IHA.4820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> http://24-7-solutions.net/reviews/hardware-firewall.html

>>>

>>> --

>>> A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!

>>> CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com

>>> Change Alpha to Numeric to reply

>>>

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>> news:ezWqX0N8IHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> He's talking about the *software* firewall sitting on top of the

>>>> router's OS which is installed on/in its hardware. I still don't

>>>> understand what a "hardware firewall" is. I don't think there is any

>>>> such thing.

>>>>

>>>> Anyway, that's what he's talking about, as you would know if you'd read

>>>> the manual, too.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

What else would you call a piece of hardware whose sole function is to act

as a firewall?

It is hardware dedicated to run (generally) embedded software, to me that is

a hardware firewall.

I understand how NAT works, it does better than the so called firewalls

built into some routers (that is more of a limited function packet sniffer

or IP filter).

 

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> What makes you say so? Dedicated housing or not, it's still a bunch of

> software watching what goes by. And, just so I'm sure we're on the same

> page, when you say "software firewall", are you referring to something

> installed on a PC or a server, or do you include the firewall in a router

> as being "software"? After all, that firewall is only one part of the

> device, not generally considered the most important one, even. That crown

> belongs to NAT.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Not Me" <cargod01@bresnan.net> wrote in message

> news:OjtV5GT8IHA.5900@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>I consider a dedicated piece of equipment, even though it uses software,

>>that filters content on the network and controls access to be a hardware

>>firewall.

>> The ones I use on the LAN even say Firewall on the equipment.

>> Software firewalls may have a place, but I don't think they are as

>> secure.

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:e$XWTpR8IHA.4924@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Read that article. It describes a piece of hardware that has an OS

>>> installed and on top of that OS is the firewall. It even calls the

>>> firewall software.

>>>

>>> No, I think people who try to differentiate between hardware and

>>> software firewalls are splitting hairs.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Not Me" <cargodZeroOne@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:O1ZDIPR8IHA.4820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> http://24-7-solutions.net/reviews/hardware-firewall.html

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!

>>>> CarGodZeroOne@hotmail.com

>>>> Change Alpha to Numeric to reply

>>>>

>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>> news:ezWqX0N8IHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>> He's talking about the *software* firewall sitting on top of the

>>>>> router's OS which is installed on/in its hardware. I still don't

>>>>> understand what a "hardware firewall" is. I don't think there is any

>>>>> such thing.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyway, that's what he's talking about, as you would know if you'd

>>>>> read the manual, too.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

Hello Nonny,

 

Thank you for this reply and for the web address. You have been a very big

help. I really appreciate the time you took to do it. I hope you are having a

good week!

 

Thanks again,

James

 

 

"Nonny" wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:48:56 -0700, Flyerfan27

> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> >Hello Gary,

> >

> > Thank you so much for jumping in to this conversation. I have to admit I

> >don't understand all the talking going back and forth about the routers. It

> >all seems like another language to me. Since you sound like one of the more

> >knowledgeable people can you please tell me if my firewall is already on or

> >if it needs to be activated on my router? I have Verizon Fios and the router

> >they gave me is an Actiontec MI424-WR Ver. D.

> >

> > I sure would appreciate the help. I just want to avoid getting another one

> >of those spywares. That spyware affected me as bad as any virus I have had. I

> >can't see how those spywares can be legal for a company to do. It is just as

> >malicious as any virus.

>

> A router and its firewall makes your computer "invisible" to

> outsiders on the Internet. It won't protect you from spyware.

>

> To test that firewall, go here and let it run all of the tests:

>

> http://www.auditmypc.com/

> >

> >Thank you,

> >James

> >

> >

> >"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> >> Please substantiate your claim that routers come without the firewall

> >> enabled by default. Document one such model, from any manufacturer. If you

> >> have a list, so much the better. Heck, even if you can't find documentation,

> >> just name them and I'll go find out what's what, even if I have to track

> >> someone down on the phone and have them personally check.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> http://grystmill.com

> >>

> >> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message

> >> news:g6i3do$b1g$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> >> > Hobbes wrote:

> >> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

> >> >> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >>> Alias wrote:

> >> >>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

> >> >>>>> Alias wrote:

> >> >>>>>> Nonny wrote:

> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

> >> >>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >> >>>>>>>

> >> >>>>>>>> Hello,

> >> >>>>>>>>

> >> >>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

> >> >>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

> >> >>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

> >> >>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

> >> >>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

> >> >>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> >> >>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

> >> >>>>>>>> wired to my router

> >> >>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

> >> >>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

> >> >>>>>>

> >> >>>>> This is garbage Alias.

> >> >>>> Um, no it isn't.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>> Yes it is Alais.

> >> >>

> >> >> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> > Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

> >> >

> >> > Alias

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

Hello Gary,

 

Thank you again for replying to my question. You have been way more then

helpful. I really appreciate the time you put in to find those links for me

and to read over them. You are a very kind person to do so much, thank you! I

didn't get a chance yet, but I defiantly will read over the manual you gave

me and check out the Verizon help page. I already saved the manual to my hard

drive and booked marked the web address you gave me.

 

I hope you are having a great week!

 

Thank You,

James

 

 

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> You need to read this carefully.

> http://www.fiberfaq.com/admin/attachments/actiontec_mi424wr_manual.pdf

>

> Frankly, I'm having a difficult time reconciling certain parts of that

> manual with others. My sense is that the router comes with the firewall

> enabled for certain basic protocols and not for others. Regardless, there

> are plenty of places in the router's configuration pages for you to check to

> see if your firewall is operating. The way they talk about it, my guess is

> that it's enabled by default. But like I said, there are too many seeming

> contradictions in the manual for me to say. Easiest thing is to ask Verizon

> tech support. They can walk you through making sure your router is properly

> configured for your use. But first, you have to decide which of the

> classifications listed here is yours.

> http://netservices.verizon.net/portal/link/help/selection

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:5D139D20-7C0C-4E99-AEF9-B6C570AF7186@microsoft.com...

> > Hello Gary,

> >

> > Thank you so much for jumping in to this conversation. I have to admit I

> > don't understand all the talking going back and forth about the routers.

> > It

> > all seems like another language to me. Since you sound like one of the

> > more

> > knowledgeable people can you please tell me if my firewall is already on

> > or

> > if it needs to be activated on my router? I have Verizon Fios and the

> > router

> > they gave me is an Actiontec MI424-WR Ver. D.

> >

> > I sure would appreciate the help. I just want to avoid getting another one

> > of those spywares. That spyware affected me as bad as any virus I have

> > had. I

> > can't see how those spywares can be legal for a company to do. It is just

> > as

> > malicious as any virus.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > James

> >

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> >> Please substantiate your claim that routers come without the firewall

> >> enabled by default. Document one such model, from any manufacturer. If

> >> you

> >> have a list, so much the better. Heck, even if you can't find

> >> documentation,

> >> just name them and I'll go find out what's what, even if I have to track

> >> someone down on the phone and have them personally check.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> http://grystmill.com

> >>

> >> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message

> >> news:g6i3do$b1g$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> >> > Hobbes wrote:

> >> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

> >> >> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >>> Alias wrote:

> >> >>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

> >> >>>>> Alias wrote:

> >> >>>>>> Nonny wrote:

> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

> >> >>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >> >>>>>>>

> >> >>>>>>>> Hello,

> >> >>>>>>>>

> >> >>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

> >> >>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

> >> >>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

> >> >>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

> >> >>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

> >> >>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> >> >>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

> >> >>>>>>>> wired to my router

> >> >>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

> >> >>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

> >> >>>>>>

> >> >>>>> This is garbage Alias.

> >> >>>> Um, no it isn't.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>> Yes it is Alais.

> >> >>

> >> >> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> > Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

> >> >

> >> > Alias

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

>