On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 05:44:30 -0500, Btman wrote:

> I found a program online to test how well your firewall works:

> 'GRC | LeakTest -- Firewall Leakage Tester  '

> (http://www.grc.com/lt/leaktest.htm)

 

Firewall LeakTesting.

Excerpts:

Leo Laporte: "So the leaktest is kind of pointless."

Steve Gibson: "Well,yes,...

Leo: "So are you saying that there's no point in doing a leaktest anymore?"

Steve: "Well, it's why I have not taken the trouble to update mine, because

you..."

Leo: "You can't test enough".

Steve: "Well, yeah.

Leo: "Right. Very interesting stuff. I guess that - my sense is, if you

can't test for leaks, a software-based firewall is kind of essentially

worthless."

 

Read and/or listen to the entire conversation here:

http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-105.htm

> I can't comment on the reliability of the program but for me, the

> windows firewall needs to be on its maximum setting to work,

 

For the average homeuser, the Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job

at its core mission and is really all you need if you have an 'real-time'

anti-virus program, [another firewall on your router or] other edge

protection like SeconfigXP and practise safe-hex.

The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

> so I use Kaspersky's firewall which is described as working aggresively

> and properly.

 

Define "properly".

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:25:23 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>Meanwhile, the usual panoply of free or shareware that is

>recommended by real MVPs will do just fine.

 

I'm sure Carey is a nice guy in his own way, but I have to agree with

your "real MVP's" comment.

 

His hardware advice to people in the XP groups was SO BAD when XP was

first released that I badgered him for about six months using the

pseudo "Barney Fife". He had a family tragedy and left for a while

and I eventually moved on.

 

When I stopped back in a couple years later and found that he'd been

awarded "MVP" status, I was truly shocked.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:48:56 -0700, Flyerfan27

<Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Hello Gary,

>

> Thank you so much for jumping in to this conversation. I have to admit I

>don't understand all the talking going back and forth about the routers. It

>all seems like another language to me. Since you sound like one of the more

>knowledgeable people can you please tell me if my firewall is already on or

>if it needs to be activated on my router? I have Verizon Fios and the router

>they gave me is an Actiontec MI424-WR Ver. D.

>

> I sure would appreciate the help. I just want to avoid getting another one

>of those spywares. That spyware affected me as bad as any virus I have had. I

>can't see how those spywares can be legal for a company to do. It is just as

>malicious as any virus.

 

A router and its firewall makes your computer "invisible" to

outsiders on the Internet. It won't protect you from spyware.

 

To test that firewall, go here and let it run all of the tests:

 

http://www.auditmypc.com/

>

>Thank you,

>James

>

>

>"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Please substantiate your claim that routers come without the firewall

>> enabled by default. Document one such model, from any manufacturer. If you

>> have a list, so much the better. Heck, even if you can't find documentation,

>> just name them and I'll go find out what's what, even if I have to track

>> someone down on the phone and have them personally check.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:g6i3do$b1g$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>> > Hobbes wrote:

>> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

>> >> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> Alias wrote:

>> >>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> >>>>> Alias wrote:

>> >>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>> >>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>

>> >>>>>>>> Hello,

>> >>>>>>>>

>> >>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>> >>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>> >>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>> >>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>> >>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

>> >>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>> >>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

>> >>>>>>>> wired to my router

>> >>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>> >>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>> >>>>>>

>> >>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>> >>>> Um, no it isn't.

>> >>>>

>> >>> Yes it is Alais.

>> >>

>> >> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>> >>

>> >

>> > Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

>> >

>> > Alias

>>

>>

>>

FB wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>

>>>>

>>>> That one vulnerability was patched in days but it's been months that

>>>> Windows users have been jumping up and down about it because they

>>>> finally came up with ONE exploit. BFD. If you keep your Ubuntu

>>>> up-to-date and enable a hard NAT firewall in your router, it's

>>>> BULLET PROOF compared to Windows of any flavor.

>>>>

>>>

>>> You really don't understand security do you? Yes, currently Linux

>>> isn't attacked as much as Windows so it's less likely you will be the

>>> victim of crooks while surfing the Internet using Linux rather than

>>> Windows. This fact does not make you invulnerable or as you say

>>> BULLET PROOF. By your own admission, quoted above, Linux needs to be

>>> kept up to date and you need to protect all devices in your network.

>>> That was the point of my original post to this thread. Software alone

>>> is not a strong enough security measure. Your posts that everyone

>>> should switch to Linux don't address any of this, until your last

>>> reply to me. The Internet is not a safe place. You need to take some

>>> basic precautions no matter what OS you happen to be using. If

>>> someone is not practicing safe surfing and not keeping their OS and

>>> applications up to date switching from Windows to Linux won't help

>>> them. If your reason for posting here is to help people by answering

>>> their questions then you should expand on your answers a bit rather

>>> than just suggesting everyone switch to Linux. Switching to Linux may

>>> be a valid option in some cases but the switch alone isn't the full

>>> answer. If you have other reasons for posting then maybe you could

>>> enlighten us on what they are.

>>>

>>

>> With Ubuntu, a very obvious RED icon appears with a large balloon

>> notification stating that there are updates to *everything* installed

>> on your computer. No need to run round updating everything

>> individually which most home users *never* do. Note I said *compared

>> to Windows*, it's bullet proof. I did not say that it is bullet proof.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Vista's Windows update does the same thing, if enabled.

> Of course you wouldn't know that fact cause you don't use Vista.

 

Vista's Windows Update updates Windows and, if you configure it, Office.

That's it. It doesn't update *anything* else. Ubuntu updates

*everything* installed from the repositories. Of course, you wouldn't

know that fact because you don't use Ubuntu. I do know what Vista

Windows Updates do and the proof is that I just explained it to you.

 

Alias

Hobbes wrote:

>

> "phoenix_abhi" <phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com> wrote in message

> news:phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com...

>>

>> The world speaks about the attacks on Windows, Windows only. Why the

>> Windows are so notorious ? Is there anyone care to know that Linux are

>> the most attacked OS for last few months ? But none of them was fully

>> success. That is the reason behind most of the users or critics unknown

>> about.

>>

>> '*Read here for more*'

>> (http://www.zone-h.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/)

>>

>> I am dual booter and found Ubuntu is much safer and faster than Vista.

>> Vista it self not slow, But all the crap AV, Anti spy,mal,keylogger and

>> so on make it damn slow and crawl.

>>

>> Linux is slowly and steadily catching up and will over take the windows

>> in a few years. The most of the windows users are frustrated and Unhappy

>> towards the MS for not providing an OS capable of what they paid

>>

>>

>

> In a few "hundred" years judging by 15 years = 1 % market share.

>

> More likely Windows, Apple, and Linux will co-exist for many years to come.

>

> The Open Source community would need to "buy out" MS for Linux to

> overtake Windows in a "few" years.

> And that isn't gonna happen...unless you heard something?

 

Gosh, that's what the blacksmiths said when the car made the scene.

 

Alias

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Bullsh*t. You're a liar, plain and simple.

>

 

Wow, how convincing. NOT.

 

Alias

Nonny wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:48:56 -0700, Flyerfan27

> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>> Hello Gary,

>>

>> Thank you so much for jumping in to this conversation. I have to admit I

>> don't understand all the talking going back and forth about the routers. It

>> all seems like another language to me. Since you sound like one of the more

>> knowledgeable people can you please tell me if my firewall is already on or

>> if it needs to be activated on my router? I have Verizon Fios and the router

>> they gave me is an Actiontec MI424-WR Ver. D.

>>

>> I sure would appreciate the help. I just want to avoid getting another one

>> of those spywares. That spyware affected me as bad as any virus I have had. I

>> can't see how those spywares can be legal for a company to do. It is just as

>> malicious as any virus.

>

> A router and its firewall makes your computer "invisible" to

> outsiders on the Internet. It won't protect you from spyware.

>

> To test that firewall, go here and let it run all of the tests:

>

> http://www.auditmypc.com/

 

Did the tests passed with flying colors.

 

Alias

>> Thank you,

>> James

>>

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>>

>>> Please substantiate your claim that routers come without the firewall

>>> enabled by default. Document one such model, from any manufacturer. If you

>>> have a list, so much the better. Heck, even if you can't find documentation,

>>> just name them and I'll go find out what's what, even if I have to track

>>> someone down on the phone and have them personally check.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message

>>> news:g6i3do$b1g$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

>>>>> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>>>>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>>>>>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>>>>>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>>>>>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

>>>>>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>>>>>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

>>>>>>>>>>> wired to my router

>>>>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>>>> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>>>>>

>>>> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

Alias wrote:

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>

>> Bullsh*t. You're a liar, plain and simple.

>>

>

> Wow, how convincing. NOT.

>

 

You're really getting you ass kicked today mr liar, mr linux troll!...LOL!

Alias wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:

>

>>

>> "phoenix_abhi" <phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com> wrote in message

>> news:phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com...

>>

>>>

>>> The world speaks about the attacks on Windows, Windows only. Why the

>>> Windows are so notorious ? Is there anyone care to know that Linux are

>>> the most attacked OS for last few months ? But none of them was fully

>>> success. That is the reason behind most of the users or critics unknown

>>> about.

>>>

>>> '*Read here for more*'

>>> (http://www.zone-h.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/)

>>>

>>> I am dual booter and found Ubuntu is much safer and faster than Vista.

>>> Vista it self not slow, But all the crap AV, Anti spy,mal,keylogger and

>>> so on make it damn slow and crawl.

>>>

>>> Linux is slowly and steadily catching up and will over take the windows

>>> in a few years. The most of the windows users are frustrated and Unhappy

>>> towards the MS for not providing an OS capable of what they paid

>>>

>>>

>>

>> In a few "hundred" years judging by 15 years = 1 % market share.

>>

>> More likely Windows, Apple, and Linux will co-exist for many years to

>> come.

>>

>> The Open Source community would need to "buy out" MS for Linux to

>> overtake Windows in a "few" years.

>> And that isn't gonna happen...unless you heard something?

>

>

> Gosh, that's what the blacksmiths said when the car made the scene.

 

How dumb are you? Comparing cars to horses? We're comparing desk top's

to desk top's.

I bet you didn't know that did you?...LOL!

Idiot loser!

FB wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>

>>> Bullsh*t. You're a liar, plain and simple.

>>>

>>

>> Wow, how convincing. NOT.

>>

>

> You're really getting you ass kicked today mr liar, mr linux troll!...LOL!

 

Um, your saying so does not make it so. In fact, quite the opposite, troll.

 

Alias

FB wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Hobbes wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> "phoenix_abhi" <phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com> wrote in

>>> message news:phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com...

>>>

>>>>

>>>> The world speaks about the attacks on Windows, Windows only. Why the

>>>> Windows are so notorious ? Is there anyone care to know that Linux are

>>>> the most attacked OS for last few months ? But none of them was fully

>>>> success. That is the reason behind most of the users or critics unknown

>>>> about.

>>>>

>>>> '*Read here for more*'

>>>> (http://www.zone-h.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/)

>>>>

>>>> I am dual booter and found Ubuntu is much safer and faster than Vista.

>>>> Vista it self not slow, But all the crap AV, Anti spy,mal,keylogger and

>>>> so on make it damn slow and crawl.

>>>>

>>>> Linux is slowly and steadily catching up and will over take the windows

>>>> in a few years. The most of the windows users are frustrated and

>>>> Unhappy

>>>> towards the MS for not providing an OS capable of what they paid

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> In a few "hundred" years judging by 15 years = 1 % market share.

>>>

>>> More likely Windows, Apple, and Linux will co-exist for many years to

>>> come.

>>>

>>> The Open Source community would need to "buy out" MS for Linux to

>>> overtake Windows in a "few" years.

>>> And that isn't gonna happen...unless you heard something?

>>

>>

>> Gosh, that's what the blacksmiths said when the car made the scene.

>

> How dumb are you? Comparing cars to horses? We're comparing desk top's

> to desk top's.

> I bet you didn't know that did you?...LOL!

> Idiot loser!

 

Once again a simple analogy flies right over Frank's head.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> FB wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "phoenix_abhi" <phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com> wrote in

>>>> message news:phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com...

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The world speaks about the attacks on Windows, Windows only. Why the

>>>>> Windows are so notorious ? Is there anyone care to know that Linux are

>>>>> the most attacked OS for last few months ? But none of them was fully

>>>>> success. That is the reason behind most of the users or critics

>>>>> unknown

>>>>> about.

>>>>>

>>>>> '*Read here for more*'

>>>>> (http://www.zone-h.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/)

>>>>>

>>>>> I am dual booter and found Ubuntu is much safer and faster than Vista.

>>>>> Vista it self not slow, But all the crap AV, Anti spy,mal,keylogger

>>>>> and

>>>>> so on make it damn slow and crawl.

>>>>>

>>>>> Linux is slowly and steadily catching up and will over take the

>>>>> windows

>>>>> in a few years. The most of the windows users are frustrated and

>>>>> Unhappy

>>>>> towards the MS for not providing an OS capable of what they paid

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> In a few "hundred" years judging by 15 years = 1 % market share.

>>>>

>>>> More likely Windows, Apple, and Linux will co-exist for many years

>>>> to come.

>>>>

>>>> The Open Source community would need to "buy out" MS for Linux to

>>>> overtake Windows in a "few" years.

>>>> And that isn't gonna happen...unless you heard something?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Gosh, that's what the blacksmiths said when the car made the scene.

>>

>>

>> How dumb are you? Comparing cars to horses? We're comparing desk top's

>> to desk top's.

>> I bet you didn't know that did you?...LOL!

>> Idiot loser!

>

>

> Once again a simple analogy flies right over Frank's head.

>

 

Once again, mr liar, mr troll uses an analogy of totally unrelated subjects.

Won't work loser.

Face it, you're stupid!

You need to read this carefully.

http://www.fiberfaq.com/admin/attachments/actiontec_mi424wr_manual.pdf

 

Frankly, I'm having a difficult time reconciling certain parts of that

manual with others. My sense is that the router comes with the firewall

enabled for certain basic protocols and not for others. Regardless, there

are plenty of places in the router's configuration pages for you to check to

see if your firewall is operating. The way they talk about it, my guess is

that it's enabled by default. But like I said, there are too many seeming

contradictions in the manual for me to say. Easiest thing is to ask Verizon

tech support. They can walk you through making sure your router is properly

configured for your use. But first, you have to decide which of the

classifications listed here is yours.

http://netservices.verizon.net/portal/link/help/selection

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:5D139D20-7C0C-4E99-AEF9-B6C570AF7186@microsoft.com...

> Hello Gary,

>

> Thank you so much for jumping in to this conversation. I have to admit I

> don't understand all the talking going back and forth about the routers.

> It

> all seems like another language to me. Since you sound like one of the

> more

> knowledgeable people can you please tell me if my firewall is already on

> or

> if it needs to be activated on my router? I have Verizon Fios and the

> router

> they gave me is an Actiontec MI424-WR Ver. D.

>

> I sure would appreciate the help. I just want to avoid getting another one

> of those spywares. That spyware affected me as bad as any virus I have

> had. I

> can't see how those spywares can be legal for a company to do. It is just

> as

> malicious as any virus.

>

> Thank you,

> James

>

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Please substantiate your claim that routers come without the firewall

>> enabled by default. Document one such model, from any manufacturer. If

>> you

>> have a list, so much the better. Heck, even if you can't find

>> documentation,

>> just name them and I'll go find out what's what, even if I have to track

>> someone down on the phone and have them personally check.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:g6i3do$b1g$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>> > Hobbes wrote:

>> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

>> >> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> Alias wrote:

>> >>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> >>>>> Alias wrote:

>> >>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>> >>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>

>> >>>>>>>> Hello,

>> >>>>>>>>

>> >>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>> >>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>> >>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>> >>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>> >>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

>> >>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>> >>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

>> >>>>>>>> wired to my router

>> >>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>> >>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>> >>>>>>

>> >>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>> >>>> Um, no it isn't.

>> >>>>

>> >>> Yes it is Alais.

>> >>

>> >> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>> >>

>> >

>> > Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

>> >

>> > Alias

>>

>>

>>

Get the User Guide (it's a PDF, but there's no direct download link due to

their using Java.)

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&cid=1148435315453

 

Or use TinyURL if that link doesn't work: http://tinyurl.com/3ad9ao

 

The PDF download link is at right under "More Information".

 

See Chapter 3.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:p11q84l8tel4bvukl7omivqe1eaf38dvc6@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:08:04 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>

>>I don't know what brand router you're using, but if it has a true

>>firewall,

>>it must have some kind of configuration page, list of open or blocked

>>ports,

>>port-forwarding, or whatever. If it doesn't have that ability to be

>>configured, I don't see how a firewall could be present (other than

>>Windows

>>Firewall), or if there is one, it's seriously idiot-proofed and therefore

>>not very good. You got a make/model for that device so it can be looked

>>up?

>

> Linksys WRT54GS

Well, Carey, the thing is that I just have to *presume* that anything from

Microsoft that's shilled by you is not going to top the list compared to

most other products in its class (spitting on McAfee and Norton first, of

course.) I presume that anything not heavily pushed by REAL MVPs is probably

a POS. But you're right, I haven't tried the latest version, nor am I likely

to do so any time soon. Certainly not on your recommendation -- which is, by

the way, the main point you missed: It's YOU I consider totally

untrustworthy and your opinions therefore not worth noting. (That's based

upon YEARS of knowledge about you and your super-sycophantic ways, you

weasel.)

 

I did try OneCare a while back, and it was just as someone else pointed out:

A pile of bloatware intended to compete with Norton, TM, McAfee, etc. Pure

disaster. All I could comment was that they'd at least succeeded in

competing evenly with all the big, bad bloatware offerings.

 

You want me to even consider trying that pile of loserware again you'll have

to come up with a recommendation (or rather, a list of such) from much more

trustworthy sources than your own vacuous being.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

news:Ohhw%23EE8IHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Thank you for answering my question. To summarize,

> you are criticizing a product (OneCare v.2.5) which you

> have absolutely no experience with....wow!

>

> --

> Carey Frisch

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Desktop Experience -

> Windows Vista Enthusiast

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:%23cuoEAE8IHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Aww, geez! Can't you stop shilling? Ever? What, were you born in a

> carnival?

>

> You have no freaking idea what I've tried and not tried, but it I DO know

> that when it comes to Microsoft, they have a terrible track record with

> most

> apps. Only reason I use them is so I can assist others who can't figure

> out

> how to run the damned things themselves. I'm sure that sooner or later

> I'll

> have to give OneCare (yet another) try, but I'll wait until a client needs

> assistance with it, which I'm sure they will. Meanwhile, the usual panoply

> of free or shareware that is recommended by real MVPs will do just fine.

> There certainly isn't anything to show that OneCare is any *better* than

> the

> tried and true.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:88242114-DC65-4BCA-9460-D1A98DAF6D9E@microsoft.com...

>> Another poster who apparently has not even tried

>> Windows OneCare v.2.5 and experienced its

>> excellent security features and capabilities.

>>

>> --

>> Carey Frisch

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Desktop Experience -

>> Windows System & Performance

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>>

>>> And you're just as foolish as Carey.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>> news:nbrn84ts6kajn3ombm7esfts1kp05qpl44@4ax.com...

>>> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:33:00 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

>>> > <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>> >

>>> >>Install a good, comprehensive, security program,

>>> >>such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to

>>> >>worry about those issues. You can try it FREE

>>> >>for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version

>>> >>and includes a very robust firewall.

>>> >

>>> > So does his router. That plus Vista's native firewall will cover him

>>> > just fine in that department and it won't cost him anything.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

So were the rest of us.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:782q84d0jbisenfsip9edul40l374qor0h@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:25:23 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>

>>Meanwhile, the usual panoply of free or shareware that is

>>recommended by real MVPs will do just fine.

>

> I'm sure Carey is a nice guy in his own way, but I have to agree with

> your "real MVP's" comment.

>

> His hardware advice to people in the XP groups was SO BAD when XP was

> first released that I badgered him for about six months using the

> pseudo "Barney Fife". He had a family tragedy and left for a while

> and I eventually moved on.

>

> When I stopped back in a couple years later and found that he'd been

> awarded "MVP" status, I was truly shocked.

>

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:44:34 +0200, Alias wrote:

> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>

>>> That one vulnerability was patched in days but it's been months that

>>> Windows users have been jumping up and down about it because they

>>> finally came up with ONE exploit. BFD. If you keep your Ubuntu

>>> up-to-date and enable a hard NAT firewall in your router, it's BULLET

>>> PROOF compared to Windows of any flavor.

>>>

>>>

>> You really don't understand security do you? Yes, currently Linux isn't

>> attacked as much as Windows so it's less likely you will be the victim

>> of crooks while surfing the Internet using Linux rather than Windows.

>> This fact does not make you invulnerable or as you say BULLET PROOF. By

>> your own admission, quoted above, Linux needs to be kept up to date and

>> you need to protect all devices in your network. That was the point of

>> my original post to this thread. Software alone is not a strong enough

>> security measure. Your posts that everyone should switch to Linux don't

>> address any of this, until your last reply to me. The Internet is not a

>> safe place. You need to take some basic precautions no matter what OS

>> you happen to be using. If someone is not practicing safe surfing and

>> not keeping their OS and applications up to date switching from Windows

>> to Linux won't help them. If your reason for posting here is to help

>> people by answering their questions then you should expand on your

>> answers a bit rather than just suggesting everyone switch to Linux.

>> Switching to Linux may be a valid option in some cases but the switch

>> alone isn't the full answer. If you have other reasons for posting then

>> maybe you could enlighten us on what they are.

>>

>>

> With Ubuntu, a very obvious RED icon appears with a large balloon

> notification stating that there are updates to *everything* installed on

> your computer. No need to run round updating everything individually

> which most home users *never* do. Note I said *compared to Windows*,

> it's bullet proof. I did not say that it is bullet proof.

>

> Alias

 

I agree the package manager in Ubuntu is superior to the way Windows

manages programs and updates. It has some problems but for the most part

it's better than what's available in Windows. If you care to check the

headers of this post you'll see I use Linux as well. I know it's good

points and it's bad points.

 

None if this is to the point of the original question. It also doesn't

address the fact that you continually post "Switch to Linux" as a

solution to almost every question asked on this newsgroup. Linux has many

good points and for some people is a viable alternative to Windows. Your

simplistic posts don't do anybody any service though. If you want people

to switch to Linux you should point out how Linux would solve their

particular problem, not just tell them to switch to Linux.

 

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

http://vistahelpca.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:17:09 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>Get the User Guide (it's a PDF, but there's no direct download link due to

>their using Java.)

>http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&cid=1148435315453

>

>Or use TinyURL if that link doesn't work: http://tinyurl.com/3ad9ao

>

>The PDF download link is at right under "More Information".

>

>See Chapter 3.

 

I briefly glanced at that a couple hours ago, and it looked so generic

(all models covered) that I passed.

 

I'll go back and get it.

 

Thanks.

Though you will of course not be capable of researching it yourself, I can

guarantee you that blacksmiths did not go out in a "few years" after the

automobile made its debut. It took decades. In fact, there are still a

sizeable number of people using blacksmiths (or, to be more accurate,

horseshoers or farriers) to this very day, especially in some of the

wealthiest provinces.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Alias" <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo> wrote in message

news:g6j3aq$jtp$3@aioe.org...

> Hobbes wrote:

>>

>> "phoenix_abhi" <phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com> wrote in message

>> news:phoenix_abhi.3d81dw@winvistaclub.com...

>>>

>>> The world speaks about the attacks on Windows, Windows only. Why the

>>> Windows are so notorious ? Is there anyone care to know that Linux are

>>> the most attacked OS for last few months ? But none of them was fully

>>> success. That is the reason behind most of the users or critics unknown

>>> about.

>>>

>>> '*Read here for more*'

>>> (http://www.zone-h.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/)

>>>

>>> I am dual booter and found Ubuntu is much safer and faster than Vista.

>>> Vista it self not slow, But all the crap AV, Anti spy,mal,keylogger and

>>> so on make it damn slow and crawl.

>>>

>>> Linux is slowly and steadily catching up and will over take the windows

>>> in a few years. The most of the windows users are frustrated and Unhappy

>>> towards the MS for not providing an OS capable of what they paid

>>>

>>>

>>

>> In a few "hundred" years judging by 15 years = 1 % market share.

>>

>> More likely Windows, Apple, and Linux will co-exist for many years to

>> come.

>>

>> The Open Source community would need to "buy out" MS for Linux to

>> overtake Windows in a "few" years.

>> And that isn't gonna happen...unless you heard something?

>

> Gosh, that's what the blacksmiths said when the car made the scene.

>

> Alias

Your denying it doesn't make it untrue. Especially with your total lack of

credibility.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Alias" <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo> wrote in message

news:g6j4ha$pfd$1@aioe.org...

> FB wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>

>>>> Bullsh*t. You're a liar, plain and simple.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Wow, how convincing. NOT.

>>>

>>

>> You're really getting you ass kicked today mr liar, mr linux

>> troll!...LOL!

>

> Um, your saying so does not make it so. In fact, quite the opposite,

> troll.

>

> Alias

Alias wrote:

> FB wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> That one vulnerability was patched in days but it's been months

>>>>> that Windows users have been jumping up and down about it because

>>>>> they finally came up with ONE exploit. BFD. If you keep your Ubuntu

>>>>> up-to-date and enable a hard NAT firewall in your router, it's

>>>>> BULLET PROOF compared to Windows of any flavor.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You really don't understand security do you? Yes, currently Linux

>>>> isn't attacked as much as Windows so it's less likely you will be

>>>> the victim of crooks while surfing the Internet using Linux rather

>>>> than Windows. This fact does not make you invulnerable or as you say

>>>> BULLET PROOF. By your own admission, quoted above, Linux needs to be

>>>> kept up to date and you need to protect all devices in your network.

>>>> That was the point of my original post to this thread. Software

>>>> alone is not a strong enough security measure. Your posts that

>>>> everyone should switch to Linux don't address any of this, until

>>>> your last reply to me. The Internet is not a safe place. You need to

>>>> take some basic precautions no matter what OS you happen to be

>>>> using. If someone is not practicing safe surfing and not keeping

>>>> their OS and applications up to date switching from Windows to Linux

>>>> won't help them. If your reason for posting here is to help people

>>>> by answering their questions then you should expand on your answers

>>>> a bit rather than just suggesting everyone switch to Linux.

>>>> Switching to Linux may be a valid option in some cases but the

>>>> switch alone isn't the full answer. If you have other reasons for

>>>> posting then maybe you could enlighten us on what they are.

>>>>

>>>

>>> With Ubuntu, a very obvious RED icon appears with a large balloon

>>> notification stating that there are updates to *everything* installed

>>> on your computer. No need to run round updating everything

>>> individually which most home users *never* do. Note I said *compared

>>> to Windows*, it's bullet proof. I did not say that it is bullet proof.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Vista's Windows update does the same thing, if enabled.

>> Of course you wouldn't know that fact cause you don't use Vista.

>

>

> Vista's Windows Update updates Windows and, if you configure it, Office.

> That's it. It doesn't update *anything* else.

 

Wrong! Vista updates other non-Windows, non-Office components as well.

Network adapters, video drivers, etc.

But you don't have nor use Vista so you don't know.

 

Ubuntu updates

> *everything* installed from the repositories. Of course, you wouldn't

> know that fact because you don't use Ubuntu.

 

I used that POS toy os for about 2 wks, then I nuked it. It's was

worthless. But for a broke loser like you, I suppose it's just fine.

 

I do know what Vista

> Windows Updates do and the proof is that I just explained it to you.

 

No, you either lied (proly) or you're simple too stupid to know cause

you don't have Vista and you've never used Vista.

You're just an uneducated, ignorant, stupid lying linux troll.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:17:09 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>Get the User Guide (it's a PDF, but there's no direct download link due to

>their using Java.)

>http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&cid=1148435315453

>

>Or use TinyURL if that link doesn't work: http://tinyurl.com/3ad9ao

>

>The PDF download link is at right under "More Information".

>

>See Chapter 3.

 

Got it. I did all of that when I first got the thing a couple months

ago - I'd forgotten about it. Firewall settings: I stayed with the

defaults.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:22 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>So were the rest of us.

 

I thought it was a "group thing" where all the existing MVPs had

input, but I guess not.

 

Maybe he has a shill agreement requiring him to push MS extras. Ya

think?

 

>--

>Gary S. Terhune

>MS-MVP Shell/User

>http://grystmill.com

>

>"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>news:782q84d0jbisenfsip9edul40l374qor0h@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:25:23 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>

>>>Meanwhile, the usual panoply of free or shareware that is

>>>recommended by real MVPs will do just fine.

>>

>> I'm sure Carey is a nice guy in his own way, but I have to agree with

>> your "real MVP's" comment.

>>

>> His hardware advice to people in the XP groups was SO BAD when XP was

>> first released that I badgered him for about six months using the

>> pseudo "Barney Fife". He had a family tragedy and left for a while

>> and I eventually moved on.

>>

>> When I stopped back in a couple years later and found that he'd been

>> awarded "MVP" status, I was truly shocked.

>>

>

I don't quite see how you could call that web page or the User Guide at all

"generic", except that it's just called "User Guide", which I agree is quite

generic, <s>. Quite the contrary, they seem quite specific, though personal

experience with LinkSys says that while it's "complete", it's likely to

leave you with more questions than answers.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:3v9q845frhqe0a8g7iup2qmc00jm7meird@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:17:09 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>

>>Get the User Guide (it's a PDF, but there's no direct download link due to

>>their using Java.)

>>http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&cid=1148435315453

>>

>>Or use TinyURL if that link doesn't work: http://tinyurl.com/3ad9ao

>>

>>The PDF download link is at right under "More Information".

>>

>>See Chapter 3.

>

> I briefly glanced at that a couple hours ago, and it looked so generic

> (all models covered) that I passed.

>

> I'll go back and get it.

>

> Thanks.

I won't speculate in any detail. In this case, I prefer inuendo, <s>.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:rhaq84ldfpgg595ha6vfpnp1cuf2um3r8s@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:39:22 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>

>>So were the rest of us.

>

> I thought it was a "group thing" where all the existing MVPs had

> input, but I guess not.

>

> Maybe he has a shill agreement requiring him to push MS extras. Ya

> think?

>

>

>>--

>>Gary S. Terhune

>>MS-MVP Shell/User

>>http://grystmill.com

>>

>>"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>news:782q84d0jbisenfsip9edul40l374qor0h@4ax.com...

>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:25:23 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Meanwhile, the usual panoply of free or shareware that is

>>>>recommended by real MVPs will do just fine.

>>>

>>> I'm sure Carey is a nice guy in his own way, but I have to agree with

>>> your "real MVP's" comment.

>>>

>>> His hardware advice to people in the XP groups was SO BAD when XP was

>>> first released that I badgered him for about six months using the

>>> pseudo "Barney Fife". He had a family tragedy and left for a while

>>> and I eventually moved on.

>>>

>>> When I stopped back in a couple years later and found that he'd been

>>> awarded "MVP" status, I was truly shocked.

>>>

>>