How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work?

July 27, 200816 yr

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium

>>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus

>>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall

>>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall

>>>>>>> took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me

>>>>>>> enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to

>>>>>>> protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>

>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>

>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>

>>

>> Yes it is Alais.

>

> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise.

>

> Alias

You are stupidly arrogant.

Get lost loser.

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July 27, 200816 yr

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:15:02 +0200

Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:

> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

> > Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Alias wrote:

> >>> Kicking Albright wrote:

> >>>> Alias wrote:

> >>>>> Nonny wrote:

> >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

> >>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hello,

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

> >>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

> >>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

> >>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

> >>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

> >>>>>>> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust

> >>>>>>> these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop

> >>>>>>> is hard wired to my router

> >>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

> >>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by

> >>>>> default.

> >>>>>

> >>>> This is garbage Alias.

> >>> Um, no it isn't.

> >>>

> >> Yes it is Alais.

> >

> > Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

> >

>

> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no

> substantiation.

>

> Alias

You asked in alt.os.linux.ubuntu how to get new linux kernel to show up

in Synaptic.

That substantiates that "you don't know squat"

Lucky for you, I knew (tho I am very new user).

Notice I've moved to kubuntu,ubuntu,XP,Vista quadruple boot.

--

Hobbes,Tiger Extraordinaire

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July 27, 200816 yr

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>> money.

>>>>>

>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>> secure.

>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>

>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>>>> Windows does now.

>>>

>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is

>> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not

>> coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform

>> because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S as

>> much.

>>

>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that

>> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They

>> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does

>> and will get attacked.

>

> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on the

> keyboard and mouse.

Exactly! And that is why you proly have an infected box and don't even

know it.

>

> Alias

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July 27, 200816 yr

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc "

>>>>>>>> <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>>>>>> secure.

>>>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that

>>>>>>>> Windows

>>>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break

>>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux

>>>>>> is not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they

>>>>>> are not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS

>>>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector

>>>>>> using the O/S as much.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings

>>>>>> that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S

>>>>>> itself. They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the

>>>>>> wrong hands does and will get attacked.

>>>>>

>>>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>>>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on

>>>>> the keyboard and mouse.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by

>>>> fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time

>>>> can't be attacked in the wrong hands Alias.

>>>>

>>>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT

>>>> written by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some

>>>> distant planet and made its way to Earth.

>>>>

>>>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever

>>>> be perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only

>>>> thing Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the

>>>> masses. So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do

>>>> with the MS platform.

>>>>

>>>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so

>>>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands

>>>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't

>>>> expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous

>>>> to think that will not happen.

>>>>

>>>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of

>>>> that with a total brainwashing.

>>>>

>>>

>>> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is

>>> hurl unfounded insults. Ho hum.

>>>

>>

>> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

>> get out of the kitchen, Alias.

>>

>

> When you post the truth, I'll alert the media.

>

>> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>>

>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>

> No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill.

>

> Now the insults continue:

>

>>

>> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any

>> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S

>> in the wrong hands.

>>

>> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

>> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

>

> More insults but no proof. How surprising.

>

> Alias

Its truly amazing that someone like Alias responds to a post titled

"How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work" and has absolutely

nothing informative, relative or intelligent to offer. What a waste of

time!

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July 27, 200816 yr

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium

>>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus

>>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall

>>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall

>>>>>>> took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me

>>>>>>> enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to

>>>>>>> protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>

>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>

>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>

>>

>> Yes it is Alais.

>

> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise.

A router that is used in the home sector is not running FW software. One

doesn't go around turning on or enabling FW software on a true packet

filtering FW router, which the FW is on by default and doing its job.

The router acts as a FW naturally and doesn't need to have something

enabled or disable to act as a border device or FW.

<copied - You came with this off the wall statement which is not

correct. A router acts as a border device or firewall naturally by

blocking all unsolicited inbound packets by default and allows solicited

inbound packets to any computer that has sent outbound packets to a

remote IP -- the solicitation for traffic.

>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

That statement above is BS, because a router does that naturally by the

use of NAT and doesn't need something enabled to do so.

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July 27, 200816 yr

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc "

>>>>>>>> <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>>>>>> secure.

>>>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that

>>>>>>>> Windows

>>>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break

>>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux

>>>>>> is not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they

>>>>>> are not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS

>>>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector

>>>>>> using the O/S as much.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings

>>>>>> that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S

>>>>>> itself. They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the

>>>>>> wrong hands does and will get attacked.

>>>>>

>>>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>>>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on

>>>>> the keyboard and mouse.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by

>>>> fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time

>>>> can't be attacked in the wrong hands Alias.

>>>>

>>>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT

>>>> written by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some

>>>> distant planet and made its way to Earth.

>>>>

>>>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever

>>>> be perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only

>>>> thing Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the

>>>> masses. So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do

>>>> with the MS platform.

>>>>

>>>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so

>>>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands

>>>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't

>>>> expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous

>>>> to think that will not happen.

>>>>

>>>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of

>>>> that with a total brainwashing.

>>>>

>>>

>>> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is

>>> hurl unfounded insults. Ho hum.

>>>

>>

>> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

>> get out of the kitchen, Alias.

>>

>

> When you post the truth, I'll alert the media.

>

>> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>>

>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>

> No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill.

>

> Now the insults continue:

>

>>

>> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any

>> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S

>> in the wrong hands.

>>

>> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

>> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

>

> More insults but no proof. How surprising.

>

You keep getting your stupid ass kicked and don't even know it.

That's why you proly have an infected box and your stupid arrogance

won't let you admit it.

Get lost troll.

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July 27, 200816 yr

Alias wrote:

> Kerry Brown wrote:

>> Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a

>> reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is

>> concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will

>> still be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or

>> whatever you want to call it.

>>

>> Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping

>> your computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping

>> your computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You

>> need to make sure every program installed on your computer is up date.

>> Many of them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a

>> month you should manually check for updates on every program you have

>> installed.

>>

>> You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If

>> you see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs

>> updating pay attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then

>> allow the update. If you don't recognise it find out what it is and

>> why it's warning you. Google is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt

>> pops up unexpectedly then figure out why before you allow it. If

>> you're not sure write down the details of what you were doing that

>> caused it, don't allow it, then Google it to see what may have caused

>> it. If you are on a web site and you are prompted to install or allow

>> something unexpectedly don't do it. Never, ever, ever click on an ad

>> on any web site. Never, ever open any email attachment unless you were

>> expecting it. Even if the attachment is from someone you know don't

>> open it unless you were expecting an attachment form them. If you

>> weren't expecting it then email them to see if they really sent the

>> attachment before opening it. Basically if you're not sure of

>> something, don't do it until you are sure.

>>

>> Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead

>> of the anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will

>> make you invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping

>> everything on your computer up to date, then lastly installing

>> anti-malware software.

>>

>

> Actually, the best defense is to not use Windows of any flavor and move

> up to Linux Ubuntu which is bullet proof compared to Windows.

>

> http://www.ubuntu.com

>

This is garbage Alias because I have used both O/S platforms Windows and

Linux, and I have had no problems with the security of either O/S. One

has to educate one's self on how to do the right thing security wise

with either platform and then implement it.

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"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message

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> Kerry Brown wrote:

>> Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a

>> reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is

>> concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will still

>> be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or whatever

>> you want to call it.

>>

>> Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping your

>> computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping your

>> computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You need to

>> make sure every program installed on your computer is up date. Many of

>> them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a month you

>> should manually check for updates on every program you have installed.

>>

>> You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If you

>> see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs updating pay

>> attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then allow the update.

>> If you don't recognise it find out what it is and why it's warning you.

>> Google is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt pops up unexpectedly

>> then figure out why before you allow it. If you're not sure write down

>> the details of what you were doing that caused it, don't allow it, then

>> Google it to see what may have caused it. If you are on a web site and

>> you are prompted to install or allow something unexpectedly don't do it.

>> Never, ever, ever click on an ad on any web site. Never, ever open any

>> email attachment unless you were expecting it. Even if the attachment is

>> from someone you know don't open it unless you were expecting an

>> attachment form them. If you weren't expecting it then email them to see

>> if they really sent the attachment before opening it. Basically if you're

>> not sure of something, don't do it until you are sure.

>>

>> Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead of

>> the anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will make

>> you invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping everything

>> on your computer up to date, then lastly installing anti-malware

>> software.

>>

>

> Actually, the best defense is to not use Windows of any flavor and move up

> to Linux Ubuntu which is bullet proof compared to Windows.

>

My whole post applies to Linux, OS/X, or any other OS you care to use. You

need to practice common sense and keep all programs up to date with any OS.

http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb07-20.html

An old version of flash installed in Linux could allow your router to be

reprogrammed with a malicious DNS server redirecting your DNS requests for

your bank to point to a phishing site that steals your password. To use the

Internet today you are saddled with 3rd party applications that may be

vulnerable to cross platform exploits. Security is much more complicated

than just switching OS'.

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

http://vistahelpca.blogspot.com/

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July 27, 200816 yr

Alias wrote:

>> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

>> get out of the kitchen, Alias.

>>

>

> When you post the truth, I'll alert the media.

I have not see too much truth come out of you. I have seen a lot of spin

according to you with absolutely nothing to back it up, other than, your

lip service. When you post the truth, then I'll alert the galaxy.

>

>> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>>

>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>

> No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill.

That's according to you and your view. Just because you said it doesn't

make it the truth. And you calling someone a shill when you don't know

the facts about the person is an insult.

>

> Now the insults continue:

>

>>

>> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any

>> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S

>> in the wrong hands.

>>

You call that above an insult? You obviously don't know what an insult

is although you do use them.

>> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

>> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

>

> More insults but no proof. How surprising.

This is a lot of lip service Alias (the king of lip service). You tickle

me with how goody two shoes you are, a saint that you are and you're

not either one of them evident by your posts that I have seen. You are

blind to your own self.

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July 27, 200816 yr

Hobbes wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:15:02 +0200

> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote:

>

>> Hobbes wrote:

>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

>>> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>>>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>>>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>>>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

>>>>>>>>> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust

>>>>>>>>> these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop

>>>>>>>>> is hard wired to my router

>>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by

>>>>>>> default.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>>

>>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>>>

>> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no

>> substantiation.

>>

>> Alias

>

> You asked in alt.os.linux.ubuntu how to get new linux kernel to show up

> in Synaptic.

> That substantiates that "you don't know squat"

Not knowing everything and "you don't know squat" are two different

things but you knew that, didn't you? I have never claimed to be an

Ubuntu expert.

>

> Lucky for you, I knew (tho I am very new user).

Why? I have no interest in installing a kernel that hasn't been released

in the Ubuntu repository.

>

> Notice I've moved to kubuntu,ubuntu,XP,Vista quadruple boot.

So what?

Alias

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July 27, 200816 yr

Every router I've ever installed that has a firewall had the firewall

enabled by default. Not saying every single one is that way, but every one

I've ever installed out of the package has had the firewall enabled. And I'm

not talking about NAT, which, of course, is also almost always enabled by

default. Can you please provide a list of those routers which do not have

the firewall and/or NAT enabled by default? I'd like to make sure that none

of the routers I'm responsible for fall into the category. I mean, I've been

into most of them to open a few ports, so I know those ones are already

working, but if you had a list of devices known that fulfill your claim

(like maybe it's one of the setup steps in the manual?), I'd love to have a

copy.

Making broad statements about things of which you have only minimal

knowledge is one of the things that makes you so despised in these groups.

(Is there anything at all in this world about which you have more than a

modicum of knowledge? I don't even think you know much about Linux.) I'm a

good researcher. Want me to look up a psychiatric specialist for you so you

can work out why it is you can't help but be wrong all the time and can't

help yourself broadcasting it to the world? Kinda sick, don't you think?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Alias" <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo> wrote in message

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> Nonny wrote:

>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Hello,

>>>

>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I

>>> installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in

>>> McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw

>>> that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question

>>> is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I

>>> trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is

>>> hard wired to my router

>>

>> Your router has a firewall too,

>

> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>

> Alias

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FB wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Hobbes wrote:

>>

>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

>>> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>>>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>>>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>>>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

>>>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>>>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

>>>>>>>>> wired to my router

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>>>

>>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>>

>>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>>

>>> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>>>

>>

>> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

>>

>> Alias

>

> You just got your ass kicked.

False.

> Changing the subject won't change that fact.

Fact? What fact? Most routers come with the firewall disabled. That's a

fact, Jack.

> Get lost mr liar, mr troll.

Um, funny coming from the biggest troll here.

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FB wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium

>>>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus

>>>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall

>>>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall

>>>>>>>> took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me

>>>>>>>> enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to

>>>>>>>> protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>>

>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>

>> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise.

>>

>> Alias

> You are stupidly arrogant.

> Get lost loser.

You can't prove otherwise either. All you can do is hurl insults.

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Please substantiate your claim that routers come without the firewall

enabled by default. Document one such model, from any manufacturer. If you

have a list, so much the better. Heck, even if you can't find documentation,

just name them and I'll go find out what's what, even if I have to track

someone down on the phone and have them personally check.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

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> Hobbes wrote:

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

>> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

>>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

>>>>>>>> wired to my router

>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>>

>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>

>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>

>> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>>

>

> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

>

> Alias

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Kicking Albright wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium

>>>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus

>>>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall

>>>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall

>>>>>>>> took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me

>>>>>>>> enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to

>>>>>>>> protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>>

>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>

>> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise.

>

> A router that is used in the home sector is not running FW software. One

> doesn't go around turning on or enabling FW software on a true packet

> filtering FW router, which the FW is on by default and doing its job.

> The router acts as a FW naturally and doesn't need to have something

> enabled or disable to act as a border device or FW.

>

> <copied - You came with this off the wall statement which is not

> correct. A router acts as a border device or firewall naturally by

> blocking all unsolicited inbound packets by default and allows solicited

> inbound packets to any computer that has sent outbound packets to a

> remote IP -- the solicitation for traffic.

>

> >>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>

> That statement above is BS, because a router does that naturally by the

> use of NAT and doesn't need something enabled to do so.

I have installed dozens of routers and ALL of them, be they

Conceptronic, Edimax or whatever come with a default blank password and

the firewall disabled. Maybe you should check yours being as you're

using the virus prone Windows.

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:08:52 +0200

Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:

> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:15:02 +0200

> > Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote:

> >

> >> Hobbes wrote:

> >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

> >>> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> Alias wrote:

> >>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

> >>>>>> Alias wrote:

> >>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

> >>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Hello,

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

> >>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus

> >>>>>>>>> for virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look

> >>>>>>>>> for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in

> >>>>>>>>> Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do

> >>>>>>>>> these 2 programs give me enough protection for my laptop?

> >>>>>>>>> Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop

> >>>>>>>>> computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

> >>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

> >>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by

> >>>>>>> default.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

> >>>>> Um, no it isn't.

> >>>>>

> >>>> Yes it is Alais.

> >>> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

> >>>

> >> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no

> >> substantiation.

> >>

> >> Alias

> >

> > You asked in alt.os.linux.ubuntu how to get new linux kernel to

> > show up in Synaptic.

> > That substantiates that "you don't know squat"

>

> Not knowing everything and "you don't know squat" are two different

> things but you knew that, didn't you? I have never claimed to be an

> Ubuntu expert.

>

> >

> > Lucky for you, I knew (tho I am very new user).

>

> Why? I have no interest in installing a kernel that hasn't been

> released in the Ubuntu repository.

>

> >

> > Notice I've moved to kubuntu,ubuntu,XP,Vista quadruple boot.

>

> So what?

>

> Alias

Sew buttons.

Hehehe...

--

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Terminator wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc "

>>>>>>>>> <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to

>>>>>>>>>>> spend

>>>>>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to

>>>>>>>>>> stay secure.

>>>>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that

>>>>>>>>> Windows

>>>>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break

>>>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>>>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux

>>>>>>> is not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they

>>>>>>> are not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS

>>>>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector

>>>>>>> using the O/S as much.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings

>>>>>>> that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S

>>>>>>> itself. They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the

>>>>>>> wrong hands does and will get attacked.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>>>>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on

>>>>>> the keyboard and mouse.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by

>>>>> fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time

>>>>> can't be attacked in the wrong hands Alias.

>>>>>

>>>>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT

>>>>> written by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some

>>>>> distant planet and made its way to Earth.

>>>>>

>>>>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever

>>>>> be perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only

>>>>> thing Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the

>>>>> masses. So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they

>>>>> do with the MS platform.

>>>>>

>>>>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so

>>>>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands

>>>>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't

>>>>> expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous

>>>>> to think that will not happen.

>>>>>

>>>>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all

>>>>> of that with a total brainwashing.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is

>>>> hurl unfounded insults. Ho hum.

>>>>

>>>

>>> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

>>> get out of the kitchen, Alias.

>>>

>>

>> When you post the truth, I'll alert the media.

>>

>>> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>>>

>>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>

>> No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill.

>>

>> Now the insults continue:

>>

>>>

>>> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any

>>> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S

>>> in the wrong hands.

>>>

>>> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

>>> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

>>

>> More insults but no proof. How surprising.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Its truly amazing that someone like Alias responds to a post titled

> "How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work" and has absolutely

> nothing informative, relative or intelligent to offer. What a waste of

> time!

It's NOT amazing how your ilk can only come up with insults and no proof.

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FB wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc "

>>>>>>>>> <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to

>>>>>>>>>>> spend

>>>>>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to

>>>>>>>>>> stay secure.

>>>>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that

>>>>>>>>> Windows

>>>>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break

>>>>>>>>> it as

>>>>>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>>>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux

>>>>>>> is not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they

>>>>>>> are not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS

>>>>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector

>>>>>>> using the O/S as much.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings

>>>>>>> that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S

>>>>>>> itself. They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the

>>>>>>> wrong hands does and will get attacked.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>>>>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on

>>>>>> the keyboard and mouse.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by

>>>>> fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time

>>>>> can't be attacked in the wrong hands Alias.

>>>>>

>>>>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT

>>>>> written by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some

>>>>> distant planet and made its way to Earth.

>>>>>

>>>>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever

>>>>> be perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only

>>>>> thing Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the

>>>>> masses. So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they

>>>>> do with the MS platform.

>>>>>

>>>>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so

>>>>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands

>>>>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't

>>>>> expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous

>>>>> to think that will not happen.

>>>>>

>>>>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all

>>>>> of that with a total brainwashing.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is

>>>> hurl unfounded insults. Ho hum.

>>>>

>>>

>>> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

>>> get out of the kitchen, Alias.

>>>

>>

>> When you post the truth, I'll alert the media.

>>

>>> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>>>

>>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>

>> No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill.

>>

>> Now the insults continue:

>>

>>>

>>> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any

>>> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S

>>> in the wrong hands.

>>>

>>> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

>>> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

>>

>> More insults but no proof. How surprising.

>>

>

> You keep getting your stupid ass kicked and don't even know it.

Really? How so? I, of course, don't expect a sensible answer, just more

insults and lies like these:

> That's why you proly have an infected box and your stupid arrogance

> won't let you admit it.

> Get lost troll.

Um, you're the troll and a rather disgusting one at that.

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How about YOU do the proving/documenting? I have the experience to know that

you're wrong.

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"Alias" <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo> wrote in message

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> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP.

>>>>>>> I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection

>>>>>>> in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too,

>>>>>>> but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job.

>>>>>>> My question is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my

>>>>>>> laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer?

>>>>>>> My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>

>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>

>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>

>>

>> Yes it is Alais.

>

> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise.

>

> Alias

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Kicking Albright wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>>> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

>>> get out of the kitchen, Alias.

>>>

>>

>> When you post the truth, I'll alert the media.

>

> I have not see too much truth come out of you. I have seen a lot of spin

> according to you with absolutely nothing to back it up, other than, your

> lip service. When you post the truth, then I'll alert the galaxy.

>

>>

>>> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>>>

>>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>

>> No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill.

>

> That's according to you and your view. Just because you said it doesn't

> make it the truth. And you calling someone a shill when you don't know

> the facts about the person is an insult.

>

>>

>> Now the insults continue:

>>

>>>

>>> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any

>>> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S

>>> in the wrong hands.

>>>

>

> You call that above an insult? You obviously don't know what an insult

> is although you do use them.

>

>>> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

>>> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

>>

>> More insults but no proof. How surprising.

>

> This is a lot of lip service Alias (the king of lip service). You tickle

> me with how goody two shoes you are, a saint that you are and you're

> not either one of them evident by your posts that I have seen. You are

> blind to your own self.

Yawn, no proof, only bluster. How typical.

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FB wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>>> secure.

>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>

>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>

>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is

>>> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not

>>> coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform

>>> because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S

>>> as much.

>>>

>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that

>>> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They

>>> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does

>>> and will get attacked.

>>

>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on the

>> keyboard and mouse.

>

> Exactly! And that is why you proly have an infected box and don't even

> know it.

>>

>> Alias

"Proly"? Can you prove this "probability"? No, you can only hurl

insults. You *probably* have 17 workstations full of crap and don't even

know it.

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Please don't confuse NAT routing and firewalls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation

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MS-MVP Shell/User

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> Alias wrote:

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium

>>>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus

>>>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall

>>>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took

>>>>>>>> over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me enough

>>>>>>>> protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect

>>>>>>>> my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>>

>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>

>> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise.

>

> A router that is used in the home sector is not running FW software. One

> doesn't go around turning on or enabling FW software on a true packet

> filtering FW router, which the FW is on by default and doing its job. The

> router acts as a FW naturally and doesn't need to have something enabled

> or disable to act as a border device or FW.

>

> <copied - You came with this off the wall statement which is not correct.

> A router acts as a border device or firewall naturally by blocking all

> unsolicited inbound packets by default and allows solicited inbound

> packets to any computer that has sent outbound packets to a remote IP --

> the solicitation for traffic.

>

> >>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>

> That statement above is BS, because a router does that naturally by the

> use of NAT and doesn't need something enabled to do so.

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> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message

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>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>> Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a

>>> reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is

>>> concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will

>>> still be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or

>>> whatever you want to call it.

>>>

>>> Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping

>>> your computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping

>>> your computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You

>>> need to make sure every program installed on your computer is up

>>> date. Many of them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least

>>> once a month you should manually check for updates on every program

>>> you have installed.

>>>

>>> You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If

>>> you see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs

>>> updating pay attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then

>>> allow the update. If you don't recognise it find out what it is and

>>> why it's warning you. Google is a great help for this. If a UAC

>>> prompt pops up unexpectedly then figure out why before you allow it.

>>> If you're not sure write down the details of what you were doing that

>>> caused it, don't allow it, then Google it to see what may have caused

>>> it. If you are on a web site and you are prompted to install or allow

>>> something unexpectedly don't do it. Never, ever, ever click on an ad

>>> on any web site. Never, ever open any email attachment unless you

>>> were expecting it. Even if the attachment is from someone you know

>>> don't open it unless you were expecting an attachment form them. If

>>> you weren't expecting it then email them to see if they really sent

>>> the attachment before opening it. Basically if you're not sure of

>>> something, don't do it until you are sure.

>>>

>>> Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead

>>> of the anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will

>>> make you invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping

>>> everything on your computer up to date, then lastly installing

>>> anti-malware software.

>>>

>>

>> Actually, the best defense is to not use Windows of any flavor and

>> move up to Linux Ubuntu which is bullet proof compared to Windows.

>>

>

> My whole post applies to Linux, OS/X, or any other OS you care to use.

> You need to practice common sense and keep all programs up to date with

> any OS.

>

> http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb07-20.html

>

> An old version of flash installed in Linux could allow your router to be

> reprogrammed with a malicious DNS server redirecting your DNS requests

> for your bank to point to a phishing site that steals your password.

That one vulnerability was patched in days but it's been months that

Windows users have been jumping up and down about it because they

finally came up with ONE exploit. BFD. If you keep your Ubuntu

up-to-date and enable a hard NAT firewall in your router, it's BULLET

PROOF compared to Windows of any flavor.

Alias

To

> use the Internet today you are saddled with 3rd party applications that

> may be vulnerable to cross platform exploits. Security is much more

> complicated than just switching OS'.

>

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There hasn't yet been such a decent Suite yet that covers all the bases, and

Microsoft is the last place I'd go for one.

Your post almost qualifies as SPAM.

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http://grystmill.com

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Install a good, comprehensive, security program,

> such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to

> worry about those issues. You can try it FREE

> for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version

> and includes a very robust firewall.

> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm

>

> --

> Carey Frisch

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Desktop Experience -

> Windows Vista Enthusiast

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

>

> "Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:AF88953C-AC42-4BD6-A518-74553277FEE0@microsoft.com...

> Hello,

>

> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I

> installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in

> McAfee's

> place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the

> Vista

> built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my

> router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop

> is

> always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will

> have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed

> the

> Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know

> I

> can't add anything to help with that protection.

>

> All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies!

>

> Best regard,

> James

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And you're just as foolish as Carey.

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"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:33:00 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>

>>Install a good, comprehensive, security program,

>>such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to

>>worry about those issues. You can try it FREE

>>for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version

>>and includes a very robust firewall.

>

> So does his router. That plus Vista's native firewall will cover him

> just fine in that department and it won't cost him anything.

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