Hi James middle of winter down here, even though I live on the Gold coast!

It is still nice up in our Tropics I think I'll move!

 

Avast is a better Anti-virus, in my opinion, than AVG. We all have our likes

and dislikes. I had a bad experience with AVG with a customer who insisted on

using it, to remove 395 viruses, trojans, worms etc. It wouldn't, even in

Safe mode it removed 275!!!!!

I still install it on home computers for customers, as it is easier to use

then Avast.

 

Avast has its own Safe Mode, but is scary for quite a lot of people, as you

have to make decisions about what to do with things on the spot. What I am

writing about though is when you install it to clean a computer of rubbish!

Different scenario when you install on a "clean" computer

 

As an everyday AV, Avast is great. It updates about 3 times a day, runs a

real time system scanner, and notifies you of any threat before it lands!!!

 

I have only ever run 1(one) AV at a time on my computers over the years. And

these days AVG and Avast will not install if they find another AV already

installed.

 

Don't look for Spybot that is spyware.

Install "Spybot Search & Destroy 1.6" instead form the link i gave you.

 

Hope the above helps.

--

Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

 

 

"Flyerfan27" wrote:

> Hello Mick,

>

> How is the weather down under? It is very nice of you to offer me your

> help. I really appreciate it. I will look into the software you suggested. I

> believe I already have the spy-bot, but I need to check to make sure.

>

> As for avast antivirus is that better then AVG? Should I switch from using

> AVG to using avast? I seen you wrote I should only run one at a time. So I

> don’t quite know what you are suggesting to me. Should I keep them both and

> alternate running them? I just want what is best for security without having

> to sell my young or body parts to pay for it. Lol Free works real well if I

> get enough protection.

>

> I was going to subscribe to AVG premium service, but they want too much

> money a year to be able to keep it updated. Companies are getting greedy

> causing people to look for free software. I think lower renewal fees would

> keep more customers generating more money. Rather then a few customers paying

> outrages renewal fees. Just my opinion!

>

> Thank you & I hope you are having a great weekend!

>

> Best regard,

> James

>

>

> "Mick Murphy" wrote:

>

> > Vista's Firewall is good!

> > Live One Care is garbage!

> > Also, use the Anti-virus and anti-spyware Program listed below.

> >

> > http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

> >

> > Avast Anti-Virus is Vista compatible (32bit and 64bit Versions), FREE,

> > auto-updating, and a low resources user of your computer.

> > And, only have 1(one) Anti-Virus installed / running on your computer at any

> > one time..

> > Conflicts may occur if you have more than 1(one).

> >

> > http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html

> >

> > Spybot Search & Destroy 1.6 is a very good, FREE Anti-Spyware Program.

> > Download, install, update, and immunize your System with it.

> > Then SCAN with it.

> > Update it, and scan your System once a fortnight.

> >

> >

> > Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

> >

> >

> > "Flyerfan27" wrote:

> >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I

> > > installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's

> > > place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista

> > > built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

> > > programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> > > programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my

> > > router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is

> > > always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will

> > > have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the

> > > Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I

> > > can't add anything to help with that protection.

> > >

> > > All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies!

> > >

> > > Best regard,

> > > James

James, that is what I am saying about bloated Programs like WOCare, norton,

etc.

 

They saw there was money to be made, and wanted to be everything to everybody!

But, they failed on all fronts!

That is why you are better off with smaller, specialised Programs to do each

job.

A prime example is the spyware program you got McAfee didn't stop it!

You will also fund if you buy those removal programs, they contain MORE

spyware!

A vicious circle.

--

Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

 

 

"Flyerfan27" wrote:

> Hello Andy,

>

> Thank you for replying to my question and for your answer. I just want to

> know if I am protected well enough. I was using McAfee and still received

> spyware from another antivirus program. I received a warning about a spyware

> infection then out of nowhere a spyware program popped up to help me. The

> spyware that popped up would not let me do anything with internet explorer

> unless I downloaded their software. I just kept going around in a vicious

> circle trying to get internet explorer working again. That only led me to a

> point where I couldn't even get IE to open. I would get a message and it

> would just shutdown. I would throw my laptop in the trash before I would by

> software from a company that caused me the problem in the first place. Who do

> they think they are getting over on idiots? Their way of trying to sell

> their product cost me 2 days of time I don't have. I ended up having to do a

> clean re-install. It is a good thing I had my computer backed up, but the

> backup was a month old. So it cost me some time to get straightened out. This

> is why I want to know if I am protected now.

>

> Thanks again,

> James

>

>

> "HappyAndyK" wrote:

>

> >

> > Vista firewall works well, and you dont have to go in for a 3rd party fw

> > !

> >

> >

> > --

> > HappyAndyK

> >

> > http://www.WinVistaClub.com

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > HappyAndyK's Profile: http://winvistaclub.com/forum/member.php?userid=4

> > View this thread: http://winvistaclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17476

> >

> >

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I

> installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's

> place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista

> built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my

> router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is

> always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will

> have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the

> Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I

> can't add anything to help with that protection.

>

> All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies!

 

You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in

itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

 

Managing the Windows Vista Firewall

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx

 

Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available).

Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing

activity, controls applications internet access.

http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/

The free version may be all you need, check the comparisons under

the "Download and Buy" link.

 

There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has

his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av

application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other

brand.

The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed

here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better

for *you* depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use.

The way you use your PC is different from others.

Have a look at this:

http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

and be guided accordingly.

Good info can be obtained here:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20

and here:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/

 

If the above is too deluging consider this:-

Real-time AV applications - for viral malware.

Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!

Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom

Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection.

 

Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail

http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx

 

Avira AntiVir® Personal - FREE Antivirus

http://www.free-av.com/

You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen'

http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm

or

Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition

It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs

Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class

GMER technology.

http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

(Choose Custom Installation and under Resident

Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.)

or

AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition

http://free.grisoft.com/

(Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.)

or

ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free

http://www.eset.com/

or

Kaspersky® Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free

http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser

 

and (optional but highly recommendable)

 

On-demand AV applications.

(add them to your arsenal and use them as a "second opinion" av scanner).

David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV Tool

http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe

http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

English:

http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/01/09/scan-your-computer-with-multiple-anti-virus-for-free/

Additional Instructions:

http://pcdid.com/Multi_AV.htm

---and/or---

Kaspersky's AVPTool

http://downloads5.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/AVPTool/

There's no updating involved since the scanning engine is updated

several times a day and you simply download the updated scanner whenever

you want to do a scan.

 

Dr.Web CureIt!® Utility - FREE

http://www.freedrweb.com/cureit/

 

Malwarebytes© Corporation - Anti-Malware

http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam/program/mbam-setup.exe

Note: It is Free for private use. Just download (do NOT buy) and install.

 

A-S applications - for non-viral malware.

The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and

oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that

cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple

products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what

another may miss, (grab'em all).

 

SuperAntispyware - Free

http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html

and

Ad-Aware 2007 - Free

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php

http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html

and

Spybot Search & Destroy - Free

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

and

Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista)

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware

and worms to install to the OS.

Interesting reading:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html

"...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects

changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about

the actual threat."

 

A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for

"malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of

malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc.

What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the

term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware

and adware.

 

Many experts suggest that Windows Live One Care is on the bottom of the

list as far as finding virus\malware\trojan.

 

Good luck :)

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>

>>With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>

> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

> money.

 

Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay secure.

Hope that changes with Windows 7.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

wrote:

>"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>

>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>> money.

>

>Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay secure.

>Hope that changes with Windows 7.

 

If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

Windows does now.

I found a program online to test how well your firewall works:

'GRC | LeakTest -- Firewall Leakage Tester  '

(http://www.grc.com/lt/leaktest.htm)

 

I can't comment on the reliability of the program but for me, the

windows firewall needs to be on its maximum setting to work, so I use

Kaspersky's firewall which is described as working aggresively and

properly.

Nonny wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>> Hello,

>>

>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I

>> installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's

>> place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista

>> built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

>> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my

>> router

>

> Your router has a firewall too,

 

Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

 

Alias

Nonny wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

> wrote:

>

>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>> money.

>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay secure.

>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>

> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

> Windows does now.

 

That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to believe.

It just isn't true.

 

Alias

I use Eset's Smart Security, winpatrol, spyware blaster and

Superantispyware.

Only Eset will cost you money but its well worth it. Just be sure to setup

the firewall for 2 way protection.

If you want automatic updates with the other programs, it'll cost you but

not much.

 

"Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:AF88953C-AC42-4BD6-A518-74553277FEE0@microsoft.com...

> Hello,

>

> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I

> installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in

> McAfee's

> place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the

> Vista

> built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my

> router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop

> is

> always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will

> have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed

> the

> Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know

> I

> can't add anything to help with that protection.

>

> All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies!

>

> Best regard,

> James

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:k3ko841a78ah31vh08sl4egqjkmho6gr0e@4ax.com...

> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

> Windows does now.

 

A sizable chunk of the world's web sites DO run Linux or Unix. OK so web

server admins are less likely to run harmful code, but the design of Windows

does make it easier for Viruses to get in. Vista has improved this, but the

fact that we still need to pay for extra software means it's a is a failure.

It's akin to a car leaking oil, and rather than plug the hole, just keep

filling it up, and have someone drive behind you to clear up the mess. Not a

long term solution really, is it?

 

I have to use Windows because I develop with .NET - but Macs are gaining

ground, precisely because users don't have to worry about viruses, and

because they don't have to slow down their computers with Anti virus, anti

malware, anti spyware, anti adware rubbish, which is usually poorly written

bloatware.

 

If Microsoft can get away with releasing a version of Windows based on a

more modern API (with sandboxed, virtualization used for old programs) that

doesn't require software to watch everything that happens, in case it might

be a virus then they can easily become a dominant platform for the next 10

years.

 

If they release another update to the current state of affairs then I can

see them eventually loosing it.

 

Marc

Alias wrote:

> Nonny wrote:

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>> money.

>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay secure.

>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>

>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>> Windows does now.

>

> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to believe.

> It just isn't true.

>

> Alias

 

That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is not

as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not coming

after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform because it

doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S as much.

 

Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that

develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They are

NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does and will

get attacked.

Kicking Albright wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Nonny wrote:

>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>> money.

>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay secure.

>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>

>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>>> Windows does now.

>>

>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>

>> Alias

>

> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is not

> as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not coming

> after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform because it

> doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S as much.

>

> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that

> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They are

> NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does and will

> get attacked.

 

Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on the

keyboard and mouse.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Nonny wrote:

>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Hello,

>>>

>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP.

>>> I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in

>>> McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but

>>> saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My

>>> question is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my

>>> laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer?

>>> My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>

>> Your router has a firewall too,

>

> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>

 

This is garbage Alias. A router is a border device that sits at the

junction point between two networks,the network it is protecting from

usually the Internet and the network it is protecting the LAN.

 

The router has one thing that makes it more of a FW than Vista host

based personal firewall/personal packet filter, any host based 3rd party

personal firewall/packet filter or any host based firewall/packet filter

running on Linux too that a home user would be using, and the network

packets must travel between these two interfaces with NAT allowing the

inbound packets to pass between the two interfaces or NAT drops the

inbound packets that were not solicted.

 

The router has the two network interfaces with one network interface

facing the network it is protecting from with the WAN port and the

network interface that is protecting the LAN, LAN ports.

 

A FW reduces the risk of damage that can be spread from one network to

another network just like a firedoor that reduces the spread of fire

from one room to another.

 

The earliest forms of firewalls were and are routers, because of their

ability to separate networks to reduces the risk of damage spreading

between networks, a barrier device, and they don't need any packet

filtering software running on them such as something you're calling FW

software, for it to act naturally as FW, barrier or border device to

protect a network.

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>> money.

>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>> secure.

>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>

>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>>>> Windows does now.

>>>

>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is

>> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not

>> coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform

>> because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S as

>> much.

>>

>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that

>> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They

>> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does

>> and will get attacked.

>

> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on the

> keyboard and mouse.

>

 

You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by fallible

human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time can't be attacked

in the wrong hands Alias.

 

Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT written by

super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some distant planet and

made its way to Earth.

 

Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever be

perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only thing

Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the masses. So

the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do with the MS

platform.

 

That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so dearly

and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands those same

mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't expose the Linux

faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous to think that will not

happen.

 

You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of

that with a total brainwashing.

Kicking Albright wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Nonny wrote:

>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Hello,

>>>>

>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP.

>>>> I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection

>>>> in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too,

>>>> but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job.

>>>> My question is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my

>>>> laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer?

>>>> My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>

>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>

>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>

>

> This is garbage Alias.

 

Um, no it isn't.

 

Alias

Kicking Albright wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>>> secure.

>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>

>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>

>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is

>>> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not

>>> coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform

>>> because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S

>>> as much.

>>>

>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that

>>> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They

>>> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does

>>> and will get attacked.

>>

>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on the

>> keyboard and mouse.

>>

>

> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by fallible

> human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time can't be attacked

> in the wrong hands Alias.

>

> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT written by

> super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some distant planet and

> made its way to Earth.

>

> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever be

> perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only thing

> Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the masses. So

> the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do with the MS

> platform.

>

> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so dearly

> and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands those same

> mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't expose the Linux

> faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous to think that will not

> happen.

>

> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of

> that with a total brainwashing.

>

 

I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is hurl

unfounded insults. Ho hum.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>

>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium

>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus

>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall

>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took

>>>>> over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me enough

>>>>> protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect

>>>>> my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>

>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>

>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>

>>

>> This is garbage Alias.

>

> Um, no it isn't.

>

 

Yes it is Alais.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

> Alias wrote:

> > Kicking Albright wrote:

> >> Alias wrote:

> >>> Nonny wrote:

> >>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

> >>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Hello,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

> >>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

> >>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

> >>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

> >>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

> >>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> >>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

> >>>>> wired to my router

> >>>>

> >>>> Your router has a firewall too,

> >>>

> >>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

> >>>

> >>

> >> This is garbage Alias.

> >

> > Um, no it isn't.

> >

>

> Yes it is Alais.

 

Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

 

--

Alias wrote:

> Kicking Albright wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>>>> secure.

>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>>

>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is

>>>> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are

>>>> not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS

>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using

>>>> the O/S as much.

>>>>

>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that

>>>> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They

>>>> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does

>>>> and will get attacked.

>>>

>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on

>>> the keyboard and mouse.

>>>

>>

>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by fallible

>> human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time can't be

>> attacked in the wrong hands Alias.

>>

>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT written

>> by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some distant planet

>> and made its way to Earth.

>>

>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever be

>> perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only thing

>> Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the masses. So

>> the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do with the MS

>> platform.

>>

>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so

>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands

>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't expose

>> the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous to think

>> that will not happen.

>>

>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of

>> that with a total brainwashing.

>>

>

> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is hurl

> unfounded insults. Ho hum.

>

 

 

I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

get out of the kitchen, Alias.

 

<copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

 

You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any evidence

as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S in the wrong

hands.

 

You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

Kicking Albright wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium

>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus

>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall

>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took

>>>>>> over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me enough

>>>>>> protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect

>>>>>> my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router

>>>>>

>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>

>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>

>>>

>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>

>> Um, no it isn't.

>>

>

> Yes it is Alais.

 

Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise.

 

Alias

Hobbes wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

>>>>>>> wired to my router

>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>

>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>

>> Yes it is Alais.

>

> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>

 

Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

 

Alias

Kicking Albright wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com...

>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

>>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is

>>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software.

>>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend

>>>>>>>>> money.

>>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay

>>>>>>>> secure.

>>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows

>>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as

>>>>>>> Windows does now.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

>>>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is

>>>>> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are

>>>>> not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS

>>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector

>>>>> using the O/S as much.

>>>>>

>>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings

>>>>> that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself.

>>>>> They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands

>>>>> does and will get attacked.

>>>>

>>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be

>>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on

>>>> the keyboard and mouse.

>>>>

>>>

>>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by

>>> fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time can't

>>> be attacked in the wrong hands Alias.

>>>

>>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT written

>>> by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some distant planet

>>> and made its way to Earth.

>>>

>>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever be

>>> perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only thing

>>> Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the masses.

>>> So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do with the

>>> MS platform.

>>>

>>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so

>>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands

>>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't

>>> expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous to

>>> think that will not happen.

>>>

>>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of

>>> that with a total brainwashing.

>>>

>>

>> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is hurl

>> unfounded insults. Ho hum.

>>

>

>

> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then

> get out of the kitchen, Alias.

>

 

When you post the truth, I'll alert the media.

> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.>

>

> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to

> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true.

 

No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill.

 

Now the insults continue:

>

> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any evidence

> as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S in the wrong

> hands.

>

> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you

> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin.

 

More insults but no proof. How surprising.

 

Alias

Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a reasonable

amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is concerned. Note that

this does not make you invulnerable. You will still be infected if you don't

practice safe hex/surfing/computing or whatever you want to call it.

 

Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping your

computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping your

computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You need to make

sure every program installed on your computer is up date. Many of them do a

poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a month you should manually

check for updates on every program you have installed.

 

You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If you see

a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs updating pay

attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then allow the update. If

you don't recognise it find out what it is and why it's warning you. Google

is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt pops up unexpectedly then figure

out why before you allow it. If you're not sure write down the details of

what you were doing that caused it, don't allow it, then Google it to see

what may have caused it. If you are on a web site and you are prompted to

install or allow something unexpectedly don't do it. Never, ever, ever click

on an ad on any web site. Never, ever open any email attachment unless you

were expecting it. Even if the attachment is from someone you know don't

open it unless you were expecting an attachment form them. If you weren't

expecting it then email them to see if they really sent the attachment

before opening it. Basically if you're not sure of something, don't do it

until you are sure.

 

Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead of the

anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will make you

invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping everything on

your computer up to date, then lastly installing anti-malware software.

 

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

http://vistahelpca.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

"Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:AF88953C-AC42-4BD6-A518-74553277FEE0@microsoft.com...

> Hello,

>

> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I

> installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in

> McAfee's

> place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the

> Vista

> built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2

> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my

> router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop

> is

> always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will

> have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed

> the

> Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know

> I

> can't add anything to help with that protection.

>

> All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies!

>

> Best regard,

> James

Kerry Brown wrote:

> Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a

> reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is

> concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will still

> be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or whatever

> you want to call it.

>

> Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping

> your computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping

> your computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You

> need to make sure every program installed on your computer is up date.

> Many of them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a

> month you should manually check for updates on every program you have

> installed.

>

> You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If you

> see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs updating pay

> attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then allow the update.

> If you don't recognise it find out what it is and why it's warning you.

> Google is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt pops up unexpectedly

> then figure out why before you allow it. If you're not sure write down

> the details of what you were doing that caused it, don't allow it, then

> Google it to see what may have caused it. If you are on a web site and

> you are prompted to install or allow something unexpectedly don't do it.

> Never, ever, ever click on an ad on any web site. Never, ever open any

> email attachment unless you were expecting it. Even if the attachment is

> from someone you know don't open it unless you were expecting an

> attachment form them. If you weren't expecting it then email them to see

> if they really sent the attachment before opening it. Basically if

> you're not sure of something, don't do it until you are sure.

>

> Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead of

> the anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will make

> you invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping

> everything on your computer up to date, then lastly installing

> anti-malware software.

>

 

Actually, the best defense is to not use Windows of any flavor and move

up to Linux Ubuntu which is bullet proof compared to Windows.

 

http://www.ubuntu.com

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400

>> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Kicking Albright wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Nonny wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27

>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home

>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for

>>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a

>>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows

>>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs

>>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2

>>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard

>>>>>>>> wired to my router

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default.

>>>>>>

>>>>> This is garbage Alias.

>>>>

>>>> Um, no it isn't.

>>>>

>>> Yes it is Alais.

>>

>>

>> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind.

>>

>

> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no substantiation.

>

> Alias

 

You just got your ass kicked. Changing the subject won't change that fact.

Get lost mr liar, mr troll.