xfile wrote:

> LOL, it is :)

>

> How did you get it?

 

I'm using Ubuntu, of course -)

 

Heh.

 

Alias

>

> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

> news:u1Z47rS0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> xfile wrote:

>>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent

>>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

>>>

>>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives

>>> of the company and they can aquire certain information that are not

>>> available to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft

>>> Most Valuable Professional" as the title.

>>>

>>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal

>>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

>> Is this the post you "lost"?

>>

>> Alias

>>>

>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

>>> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

>>>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

>>>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>>>>

>>>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>>>>> are MVP's after a while.

>>>>>

>>>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>>>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>>>>> to the organization for which I represent.

>>>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

>>>> the MVP's say.

>>>>

>>>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>>>>

>>>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>>>>

>>>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>>>>

>>>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

>>>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received

>>>> an

>>>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

>>>> technical communities.'

>>>>

>>>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......

>>>>

>>>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

>>>>

>>>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft

>>>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

>>>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

>>>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found

>>>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

>>>>

>>>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>>>>

>>>> Rules schmules........

>

OK.

 

I will remember that.

 

Got to go and take care :)

 

 

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

news:uL$dFzS0HHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> xfile wrote:

>> LOL, it is :)

>>

>> How did you get it?

>

> I'm using Ubuntu, of course -)

>

> Heh.

>

> Alias

>>

>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>> news:u1Z47rS0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> xfile wrote:

>>>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent

>>>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

>>>>

>>>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial"

>>>> representatives of the company and they can aquire certain information

>>>> that are not available to the general public, plus some of them even

>>>> put "Microsoft Most Valuable Professional" as the title.

>>>>

>>>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal

>>>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

>>> Is this the post you "lost"?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

>>>> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

>>>>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

>>>>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>>>>>> are MVP's after a while.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>>>>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>>>>>> to the organization for which I represent.

>>>>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is

>>>>> what

>>>>> the MVP's say.

>>>>>

>>>>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>>>>>

>>>>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>>>>>

>>>>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>>>>>

>>>>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

>>>>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received

>>>>> an

>>>>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

>>>>> technical communities.'

>>>>>

>>>>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......

>>>>>

>>>>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

>>>>>

>>>>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions,

>>>>> Microsoft

>>>>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

>>>>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

>>>>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be

>>>>> found

>>>>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

>>>>>

>>>>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>>>>>

>>>>> Rules schmules........

>>

xfile wrote:

> LOL, it is :)

>

> How did you get it?

>

 

Because it wasn't "lost." I don't know why you couldn'e see it, but

you posted the same one repeatedly, and all of them appeared in the

newsgroup. Perhaps you were impatient, and didn't allow enough time for

them to be propagated to whichever news server you're using to access

this news group.

 

 

--

 

Bruce Chambers

 

Help us help you:

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

 

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

 

Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

Alias wrote:

> xfile wrote:

>> LOL, it is :)

>>

>> How did you get it?

>

> I'm using Ubuntu, of course -)

>

 

 

Utterly irrelevant, an another deliberate lie (by implication, this

time). The posts were never "lost," but rather appeared multiple times.

 

 

--

 

Bruce Chambers

 

Help us help you:

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

 

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

 

Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:43:49 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

>news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>> are MVP's after a while.

>>

>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>> to the organization for which I represent.

>

>No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

>the MVP's say.

>

>MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>

>(http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>

>'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>

>A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

>Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an

>award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

>technical communities.'

 

Based on that requirement alone, I would be king of MVPs. LOL!

 

Thanks, but no thanks. I rather keep my objectivity.

On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>

> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>

> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>

> Could have fooled me.

 

Easier done than said.

>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

 

In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>

>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>

>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>

>> Could have fooled me.

>

>Easier done than said.

>

>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>

>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

 

Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

about.

 

What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

 

Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to

straighten you out.

 

One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control

Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access

this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't

use . NOT EVEN YOU!

 

Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows

HOW you just posted it.

 

NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70

 

By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you

made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web

we get this information:

 

OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre

OrgID: RIPE

Address: P.O. Box 10096

City: Amsterdam

StateProv:

PostalCode: 1001EB

Country: NL

 

ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43

 

NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255

CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8

NetName: 81-RIPE

NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1

Parent:

NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC

NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET

NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR

NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE

NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG

NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET

NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET

NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET

Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in

Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in

Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois

RegDate:

Updated: 2005-07-27

 

Going back to the header we learn this about you:

 

X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)

In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>

User-Agent: G2/1.0

X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0 MSN 2.5 Windows

NT 5.1 SV1 .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com

posting-host=81.132.187.70

posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0

 

Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?

Hello,

 

as long as msnews.microsoft.com belongs to Microsoft, I think they own the

newsgroups.

 

Greetings,

P. Di Stolfo

 

--

//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

// http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language

//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>

>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>

>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>

>>> Could have fooled me.

>>

>>Easier done than said.

>>

>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>

>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>

> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

> about.

>

> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>

> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to

> straighten you out.

>

> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control

> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access

> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't

> use . NOT EVEN YOU!

>

> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows

> HOW you just posted it.

>

> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70

>

> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you

> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web

> we get this information:

>

> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre

> OrgID: RIPE

> Address: P.O. Box 10096

> City: Amsterdam

> StateProv:

> PostalCode: 1001EB

> Country: NL

>

> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43

>

> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255

> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8

> NetName: 81-RIPE

> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1

> Parent:

> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC

> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET

> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR

> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE

> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG

> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET

> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET

> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET

> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in

> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in

> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois

> RegDate:

> Updated: 2005-07-27

>

> Going back to the header we learn this about you:

>

> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)

> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>

> User-Agent: G2/1.0

> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0 MSN 2.5 Windows

> NT 5.1 SV1 .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com

> posting-host=81.132.187.70

> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0

>

> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?

>

They might own the news server but they don't monitor it

 

"P. Di Stolfo" wrote in message

news:uIQb6PV0HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Hello,

>

> as long as msnews.microsoft.com belongs to Microsoft, I think they own the

> newsgroups.

>

> Greetings,

> P. Di Stolfo

>

> --

> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language

> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

> news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>>

>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>>

>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>>

>>>> Could have fooled me.

>>>

>>>Easier done than said.

>>>

>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>>

>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>>

>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

>> about.

>>

>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>>

>> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to

>> straighten you out.

>>

>> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control

>> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access

>> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't

>> use . NOT EVEN YOU!

>>

>> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows

>> HOW you just posted it.

>>

>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70

>>

>> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you

>> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web

>> we get this information:

>>

>> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre

>> OrgID: RIPE

>> Address: P.O. Box 10096

>> City: Amsterdam

>> StateProv:

>> PostalCode: 1001EB

>> Country: NL

>>

>> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43

>>

>> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255

>> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8

>> NetName: 81-RIPE

>> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1

>> Parent:

>> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC

>> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET

>> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR

>> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE

>> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG

>> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET

>> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET

>> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET

>> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in

>> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in

>> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois

>> RegDate:

>> Updated: 2005-07-27

>>

>> Going back to the header we learn this about you:

>>

>> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)

>> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>

>> User-Agent: G2/1.0

>> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0 MSN 2.5 Windows

>> NT 5.1 SV1 .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

>> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

>> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com

>> posting-host=81.132.187.70

>> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0

>>

>> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?

>>

Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say Microsoft

owns the Usenet.

 

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>

>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>

>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>

>>> Could have fooled me.

>>

>>Easier done than said.

>>

>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>

>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>

> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

> about.

>

> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>

> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to

> straighten you out.

>

> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control

> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access

> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't

> use . NOT EVEN YOU!

>

> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows

> HOW you just posted it.

>

> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70

>

> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you

> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web

> we get this information:

>

> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre

> OrgID: RIPE

> Address: P.O. Box 10096

> City: Amsterdam

> StateProv:

> PostalCode: 1001EB

> Country: NL

>

> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43

>

> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255

> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8

> NetName: 81-RIPE

> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1

> Parent:

> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC

> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET

> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR

> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE

> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG

> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET

> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET

> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET

> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in

> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in

> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois

> RegDate:

> Updated: 2005-07-27

>

> Going back to the header we learn this about you:

>

> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)

> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>

> User-Agent: G2/1.0

> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0 MSN 2.5 Windows

> NT 5.1 SV1 .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com

> posting-host=81.132.187.70

> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0

>

> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?

>

Bob wrote:

> Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say

> Microsoft owns the Usenet.

>

 

Adam, aka georgie-boy, says he's a genius with an iq of 107!

He's knows everything..just ask him.

Except he can't seem to get his copy of Vista to run correctly but,

that's not his fault, so he says.

It's those MS "fanboys" fault, so he says.

So don't argue with him cause he's smarter than everyone else in this ng.

Don't believe me, just ask him!

Hahaha...lol.

Frank

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:33:30 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say Microsoft

>owns the Usenet.

 

Still wrong. You can't own a newsgroup. Period. You, me, Microsoft,

anyone, even our pal and everyone's favorite troll Frankie can quickly

and easily create a new newsgroup. How to create one is all over the

web.

 

Once created UNLESS restricted access meaning they are only accessible

from ONE news server then once created ALL newsgroups part of Usenet

can be and are carried by any news service provider or ISP that wants

to carry them. Therefore they become part of the public domain, nobody

owns or controls them.

 

If you want some history, here it is...

 

Once upon a time Microsoft REQUIRED that anyone wishing to access any

of their now more than 2,000+ groups had to access them from one of

their news servers. Then what you said would be valid. No more.

 

Several years ago, I forget exactly when or who, but one of the major

Usenet backbone providers STOLE Microsoft's feed. If or not Microsoft

liked that I don't know or care. What happened very quickly was once

one provider picked up the Microsoft feed every news server provider

that peered with this original provider then had the option of

carrying all or some of the Microsoft groups just like they have the

option to pick and choose what other newsgroups they carry.

 

Many did elect to carry all the Microsoft newsgroups as a public

service to their customers and Microsoft while they may not have liked

their feed getting "stolen" out from under them didn't do anything

about it and you see what we have now. Anybody, anywhere on the planet

can access THIS and any other Microsoft newsgroup IF whoever they get

their Usenet feed from provides it.

 

Clearly you can now see the ownership point has no meaning. At least I

can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>

>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>

>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>

>>> Could have fooled me.

>>

>>Easier done than said.

>>

>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>

>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>

> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

> about.

>

> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

 

Get lost creep.

Hello,

thank you for clearing this up.

> [...] At least I

> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.

 

This sounds a little offensive, if I may say.

 

Greetings,

P. Di Stolfo

--

//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

// http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language

//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

news:slcna31031cavfbmbtodd5ha1235hq1mv8@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:33:30 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>>Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say

>>Microsoft

>>owns the Usenet.

>

> Still wrong. You can't own a newsgroup. Period. You, me, Microsoft,

> anyone, even our pal and everyone's favorite troll Frankie can quickly

> and easily create a new newsgroup. How to create one is all over the

> web.

>

> Once created UNLESS restricted access meaning they are only accessible

> from ONE news server then once created ALL newsgroups part of Usenet

> can be and are carried by any news service provider or ISP that wants

> to carry them. Therefore they become part of the public domain, nobody

> owns or controls them.

>

> If you want some history, here it is...

>

> Once upon a time Microsoft REQUIRED that anyone wishing to access any

> of their now more than 2,000+ groups had to access them from one of

> their news servers. Then what you said would be valid. No more.

>

> Several years ago, I forget exactly when or who, but one of the major

> Usenet backbone providers STOLE Microsoft's feed. If or not Microsoft

> liked that I don't know or care. What happened very quickly was once

> one provider picked up the Microsoft feed every news server provider

> that peered with this original provider then had the option of

> carrying all or some of the Microsoft groups just like they have the

> option to pick and choose what other newsgroups they carry.

>

> Many did elect to carry all the Microsoft newsgroups as a public

> service to their customers and Microsoft while they may not have liked

> their feed getting "stolen" out from under them didn't do anything

> about it and you see what we have now. Anybody, anywhere on the planet

> can access THIS and any other Microsoft newsgroup IF whoever they get

> their Usenet feed from provides it.

>

> Clearly you can now see the ownership point has no meaning. At least I

> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.

>

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>

wrote:

>

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>>

>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>>

>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>>

>>>> Could have fooled me.

>>>

>>>Easier done than said.

>>>

>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>>

>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>>

>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

>> about.

>>

>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>

>Get lost creep.

 

Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I

said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish

of you don't you think?

 

Don't worry, you're in good company. Lots of Bozos here THINK they are

smarter then me. Thinking and being are two different things.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:42:14 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"

wrote:

>Hello,

>thank you for clearing this up.

>

>> [...] At least I

>> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.

>

>This sounds a little offensive, if I may say.

 

Doesn't ANYBODY have a sense of humor?

"P. Di Stolfo" wrote:

> as long as msnews.microsoft.com belongs to Microsoft, I think they

> own the newsgroups.

 

But they don't own the newsgroups, at least not the public ones.

Microsoft allows some or all of the newsgroups on the public servers to

propagate throughout Usenet so you might find this group on many news

servers.

 

 

 

--

XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>> On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>

>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

>>>>> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>> Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>> Could have fooled me.

>> Easier done than said.

>>

>>> You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>> In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>> it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>> and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>

> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

> about.

>

> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>

> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to

> straighten you out.

>

> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control

> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access

> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't

> use . NOT EVEN YOU!

>

> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows

> HOW you just posted it.

>

> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70

>

> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you

> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web

> we get this information:

>

> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre

> OrgID: RIPE

> Address: P.O. Box 10096

> City: Amsterdam

> StateProv:

> PostalCode: 1001EB

> Country: NL

>

> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43

>

> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255

> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8

> NetName: 81-RIPE

> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1

> Parent:

> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC

> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET

> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR

> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE

> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG

> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET

> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET

> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET

> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in

> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in

> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois

> RegDate:

> Updated: 2005-07-27

>

> Going back to the header we learn this about you:

>

> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)

> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>

> User-Agent: G2/1.0

> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible MSIE 6.0 MSN 2.5 Windows

> NT 5.1 SV1 .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com

> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com

> posting-host=81.132.187.70

> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0

>

> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?

>

 

They only own their own server and can only remove posts from their own

server and have been known to do so.

 

Alias

OK. I apologize but I still don't see it with OE and I posted twice.

 

Anyway, not important.

 

 

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

news:%23kQsc6S0HHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> xfile wrote:

>> LOL, it is :)

>>

>> How did you get it?

>>

>

> Because it wasn't "lost." I don't know why you couldn'e see it, but you

> posted the same one repeatedly, and all of them appeared in the newsgroup.

> Perhaps you were impatient, and didn't allow enough time for them to be

> propagated to whichever news server you're using to access this news

> group.

>

>

> --

>

> Bruce Chambers

>

> Help us help you:

> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>

> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

>

> Many people would rather die than think in fact, most do. -Bertrand

> Russell

Bruce Chambers wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> xfile wrote:

>>> LOL, it is :)

>>>

>>> How did you get it?

>>

>> I'm using Ubuntu, of course -)

>>

>

>

> Utterly irrelevant, an another deliberate lie (by implication, this

> time). The posts were never "lost," but rather appeared multiple times.

>

>

 

It was a joke, son. I was not serious. It was said tongue in cheek.

 

Alias

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:k6ena31q1mh195s74ch8mf5j0t6vt7hqh2@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>>>

>>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these

>>>>> >> MVPs

>>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>>>

>>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>>>

>>>>> Could have fooled me.

>>>>

>>>>Easier done than said.

>>>>

>>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>>>

>>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>>>

>>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

>>> about.

>>>

>>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>>

>>Get lost creep.

>

> Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I

> said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish

> of you don't you think?

 

I don't owe you anything.

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

news:OTwQ4jS0HHA.4236@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent

> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

>

> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial"

> representatives of the company and they can aquire certain information

> that are not available to the general public, plus some of them even

> put "Microsoft Most Valuable Professional" as the title.

>

> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal

> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

I was aware that MVPs do not officially represent MS, but I still think a

professional manner, attitude, and posting content should be the way to go,

regardless of the content of non-MVP posts.

 

*Proffessional* is the key word here.

 

I'm sure you've seen many posts from people (generally from GG or MS

Communities web interface) that think MVPs are member's of MS, and that

they get paid to answer questions here. Of course they don't, but the

impression to the general public is that they do represent MS.

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:13:51 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>

wrote:

>

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:k6ena31q1mh195s74ch8mf5j0t6vt7hqh2@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>>>>

>>>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these

>>>>>> >> MVPs

>>>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Could have fooled me.

>>>>>

>>>>>Easier done than said.

>>>>>

>>>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>>>>

>>>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>>>>

>>>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

>>>> about.

>>>>

>>>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>>>

>>>Get lost creep.

>>

>> Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I

>> said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish

>> of you don't you think?

>

>I don't owe you anything.

 

I didn't ask you for anything. You hear voices in your head?

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:sqkna3d3nb7hb46rp3iic9vb2upl6e7ek9@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:13:51 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>

> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:k6ena31q1mh195s74ch8mf5j0t6vt7hqh2@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...

>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:

>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these

>>>>>>> >> MVPs

>>>>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Could have fooled me.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>Easier done than said.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to

>>>>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as

>>>>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish

>>>>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking

>>>>> about.

>>>>>

>>>>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

>>>>

>>>>Get lost creep.

>>>

>>> Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I

>>> said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish

>>> of you don't you think?

>>

>>I don't owe you anything.

>

> I didn't ask you for anything.

 

You asked for my opinion... "don't you think?"

 

You really should cut down on the booze.

You're brain is shot already but think of your liver.

Liver failure is a particularly nasty way to go.

> *Proffessional* is the key word here.

 

Yes, and that's the reason for my initial comment.

>Of course they don't, but the

> impression to the general public is that they do represent MS.

 

The impression is not without reasons.

 

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

news:Xns997BC7B1AF558thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

> news:OTwQ4jS0HHA.4236@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>

>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent

>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

>>

>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial"

>> representatives of the company and they can aquire certain information

>> that are not available to the general public, plus some of them even

>> put "Microsoft Most Valuable Professional" as the title.

>>

>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal

>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

>

> I was aware that MVPs do not officially represent MS, but I still think a

> professional manner, attitude, and posting content should be the way to

> go,

> regardless of the content of non-MVP posts.

>

> *Proffessional* is the key word here.

>

> I'm sure you've seen many posts from people (generally from GG or MS

> Communities web interface) that think MVPs are member's of MS, and that

> they get paid to answer questions here. Of course they don't, but the

> impression to the general public is that they do represent MS.

>

>