I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they are

MVP's after a while.

 

Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful about my

behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also to the

organization for which I represent.

 

 

 

"P. Di Stolfo" wrote in message

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> Hello,

> I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not

> different from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input

> in the communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or

> misinforming as many times as everybody else.

> Greetings,

> P. Di Stolfo

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>

> "babaloo" <fac187@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

> news:0jtqi.26$ox5.5@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...

>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation

>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the

>> problems many users have with Vista.

>>

> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no

> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and

> gloomy as you paint it.

 

I concur that.

 

"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

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> Adam Albright wrote:

>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:09 -0500, TeMerc

>> <TeMerc.2ueg53@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>>

>>> babaloo399711 Wrote:

>>>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation

>>>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the

>>>> problems many users have with Vista.

>>

>>> Can you please provide specific threads where this is evident? I'm not

>>> saying MVPs are infallible, but what you say I have not experienced.

>>

>> Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no

>> tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking

>> about. They are simply hand picked one of two ways. Either those

>> already in the MVP program nominate somebody new or somebody from

>> Microsoft picks them. Notice one thing common to all MVPs here?

>>

>> Well I guess not or I wouldn't have to be writing this. There will

>> never, ever under any circumstances be even a little critical of

>> Microsoft. Why do you suppose that is? Because they're Microsoft cheer

>> leaders, I prefer the term apologists. You can confirm that's what

>> they are just reading the slop they post.

>

> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no

> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and

> gloomy as you paint it.

>>

>> Once in awhile some MVP that actually knows something spends a little

>> time here. That's the exception, not the rule. Get a clue. This is the

>> general group. The mirror leagues for MVPs. Not even tripe A ball.

>> More like little league, actually more like bad news bears. Some

>> backwater little hell hole the smarter MVP's generally avoid like the

>> plague because the know the low talent big mouth gang hangs out here.

>> Get it now?

>>> There seems to be alot of anger toward MVPs in this forum, the likes of

>>> which I've never encountered before.

>>

>> Because the quality of the MVP that hangs out here is sub par. Noted

>> there a few good guys, but they get drown out but the bad ones. Here

>> the rotten apple story plays out in reverse. There are one or two good

>> MVPs, maybe 3 or 4and all the rest are rotten apples just prima donna

>> types, control freaks, butt kissers.

>

>

> --

> norm

> My apologies for [...]

 

One reason is that I rarely see any of them saying anything starting with

the above.

 

I was taught that professionals are not determined by skill sets but by

attitudes, mindsets, and personalities.

 

My two cents.

 

"TeMerc" <TeMerc.2uejmm@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

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>

> My apologies for not knowing that users could post from a newsgroup to

> this forum. I was unaware of this.

>

> And why this generates a comment on my ignorance is beyond me. It shows

> a level of hostility I rarely have ever come across if ever at all.

>

> And as far as me showing where you, Adam were not 100% correct, I'm not

> concerned with what you claim to be your perfection, but rather evidence

> of your claim that the MVPS are wrong so often of the time.

>

> I think it is up to you to 'put up or shut up'. -You- made the claim,

> now please back it up with facts.

>

>

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:33:14 -0700, "xfile"

<cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially >submitted it

>>for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from >the name that

>>this particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.

>>If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take >it

>>from there.

>

>Agreed and true. Good or bad, Microsoft is generous enough to have little

>censorship and we need to thank it for that.

 

You can no more "own" a newsgroup then you can own the sky or the

moon. You know the real reason I hang out here? Well to be totally

honest it is fun to watch all the off the wall absurdity that's posted

day in and day out by people that THINK they know what they're talking

about but in reality don't have a clue.

 

A newsgroup is nothing more than a classification, similar to how

folders are arranged on your hard drive. When you post to a particular

newsgroup the news server it gets uploaded to "remembers" which group

you posted to and shares that information along with other stuff and

shares it with thousands of other networked news servers all over the

world.

 

While Microsoft may have created a bunch of newsgroups to promote

their crap, once created all groups are just part of the larger Usenet

network. Microsoft like others may provide a news server to store

posts that originate on their news servers but other people post to

other news servers. So the concept of newsgroup ownership is LAUGHABLE

once you understand how things actually work.

 

That's why it is absurd to suggest Microsoft could or would even want

to monitor or filter what gets posted. Again, maybe they edit what

arrives or originates on THEIR news servers but since there are

thousands of news servers, many carrying most or all of the Microsoft

groups along with some of the well in excess of a hundred thousand

other news groups what you said is laughable.

>There are a few self-appointed but not well-trained moderators with double

>standards, but we can ignore them.

 

There are NO moderators period. Only a few idiots that try to be. Geez

man, learn something will yea?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"

<cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no

>> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and

>> gloomy as you paint it.

>

>I concur that.

 

Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> You can no more "own" a newsgroup then you can own the sky or the

> moon. You know the real reason I hang out here? Well to be totally

> honest it is fun to watch all the off the wall absurdity that's posted

> day in and day out by people that THINK they know what they're talking

> about but in reality don't have a clue.

 

Yeah, I totally agree.

You're one of the most entertaining dopes to ever post in any ng, mr

genius...hahaha...lol!

A laugh a min.!

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"

> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>

>

>>>Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no

>>>problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and

>>>gloomy as you paint it.

>>

>>I concur that.

>

>

> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>

 

 

Try google as it seems to be a brain substitute for you.

Frank

> While Microsoft may have created a bunch of newsgroups to promote

> their crap, once created all groups are just part of the larger Usenet

> network. Microsoft like others may provide a news server to store

> posts that originate on their news servers but other people post to

> other news servers. So the concept of newsgroup ownership is LAUGHABLE

> once you understand how things actually work.

 

 

We are talking about two different concepts of ownsership.

 

It is laughable for anyone who can't understand that anything on the net is

not owned by anyone and we all understand that and that is your

interprestations.

 

I am talking about ownserhip in terms of people and companies who need to

come up and maintain hardware and software a.k.a. platforms that people can

post and store messages.

>There are NO moderators period. Only a few idiots that try to be. Geez

>man, learn something will yea?

 

Which part of self-appointed you don't understand?

 

Now you just put the last straw and you are the wost poster in here.

 

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:6mcla39sb8u3qo9j2jn9m052hf9qo9qqh4@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:33:14 -0700, "xfile"

> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>

>>>Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially >submitted

>>>it

>>>for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from >the name that

>>>this particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.

>>>If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take >it

>>>from there.

>>

>>Agreed and true. Good or bad, Microsoft is generous enough to have little

>>censorship and we need to thank it for that.

>

> You can no more "own" a newsgroup then you can own the sky or the

> moon. You know the real reason I hang out here? Well to be totally

> honest it is fun to watch all the off the wall absurdity that's posted

> day in and day out by people that THINK they know what they're talking

> about but in reality don't have a clue.

>

> A newsgroup is nothing more than a classification, similar to how

> folders are arranged on your hard drive. When you post to a particular

> newsgroup the news server it gets uploaded to "remembers" which group

> you posted to and shares that information along with other stuff and

> shares it with thousands of other networked news servers all over the

> world.

>

> While Microsoft may have created a bunch of newsgroups to promote

> their crap, once created all groups are just part of the larger Usenet

> network. Microsoft like others may provide a news server to store

> posts that originate on their news servers but other people post to

> other news servers. So the concept of newsgroup ownership is LAUGHABLE

> once you understand how things actually work.

>

> That's why it is absurd to suggest Microsoft could or would even want

> to monitor or filter what gets posted. Again, maybe they edit what

> arrives or originates on THEIR news servers but since there are

> thousands of news servers, many carrying most or all of the Microsoft

> groups along with some of the well in excess of a hundred thousand

> other news groups what you said is laughable.

>

>>There are a few self-appointed but not well-trained moderators with double

>>standards, but we can ignore them.

>

> There are NO moderators period. Only a few idiots that try to be. Geez

> man, learn something will yea?

>

> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

 

Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

 

And if you can't find any of those, you failed just like those you've been

cariticized all along.

 

Funny thing, what do you think I owe you for your homework. You don't know

you are a loser, right?

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"

> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>

>>> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no

>>> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and

>>> gloomy as you paint it.

>>

>>I concur that.

>

> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"

> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>

>>> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no

>>> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and

>>> gloomy as you paint it.

>> I concur that.

>

> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs

> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

>

"Do so now"? You sound like Frank. I will give you some names, you can

do your own homework. All of the mvps named below (and there are

probably a couple more that I don't recall now) have made critical

remarks about either an ms product, the function of an ms product or

even ms as a whole in the course of their participation in this group.

Enjoy your search.

Kerry Brown

Ken Blake

Chris Quirke

Mike Hall

 

--

norm

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

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> Also there is nothing that says that people in here MUST say they like

> vista or else they must labeled trolls.

>

> This is vista.general

>

> Not vista.mustbeworshiped

 

<snip>

 

Nor is it Vista.AndAnythingElseUnderTheSun

 

Lang

"David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:27idna2Rg91lyTfbnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@comcast.com...

> agreed, and highly unprofessional!

 

 

They don't get paid for it so they don't have to act "professional".

"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message

news:Xns997A87E1879F3xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...

>

> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known

> trolls in this newsgroup?

>

> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't

> they?

>

>

>

> --

> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

 

 

Known trolls? Well, yeah, it's not too hard to identify the trolls. But

there's no official tag that identifies them as such. Care to list them?

(And... OMG! I'm kidding!)

 

Lang

norm wrote:

 

>

> "Do so now"? You sound like Frank.

 

_------------------------------------_

 

 

Only Frank sounds like Frank.

Don't confuse the masses as they're already confused enough.

Frank

Talk about a self-referential post! The several dozen responses to this post

by the people you are talking about just proves your point I think. If the

MVPs who spent all that time calling people morons and responding to

childish insults with childish insults had addressed people's problems as

they claim to be here to do out of the goodness of their own hearts, several

dozen genuine queries might have been answered/

 

 

"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message

news:Xns997A87E1879F3xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...

>

> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known

> trolls in this newsgroup?

>

> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't

> they?

>

>

>

> --

> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

No, I block messages because I do not need the noise, nor the aggravation of

yet another troll-feeding session. Cutting down on the message count is a

side effect useful, yes but not the main reason. -)

 

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* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups

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"P. Di Stolfo" wrote in message

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> Hello,

> do you block messages because of the traffic? I let them all go in, but I

> just ignore the messages with a subject that doesn't sound like needing

> help.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:12:30 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>norm wrote:

>

>

>>

>> "Do so now"? You sound like Frank.

>

>_------------------------------------_

>

>

>Only Frank sounds like Frank.

>Don't confuse the masses as they're already confused enough.

>Frank

 

 

For once I can agree with Frank. Nobody else sounds like Frank or

would want to. Frank has a special kind of idiocy unique on to himself

NOBODY this side of an insane asylum would want to duplicate.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:57:12 -0400, norm <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote:

>> Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no

>> tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking

 

I don't know where you got that ridiculous bit of information. If there were nothing involved in becoming a MVP, anyone could [well they can anyway's] not like they're going to wind up in jail for identity theft.

 

But I ran across the page on MVP awhile back, and unless they've loosened the rules, there is a test. And a few other requirements.

I know a little about a machine from 10 years experience. But not enough to be a MVP.

 

That MVP tag whether you like the advice or the manner it's spoon fed to you, is in most cases 70% correct. It's definitely closer to accurate than any other help in a NG. I think it's a great program. I can usually trust the info from a MVP. Do I have any kill filed ? I doubt it.

 

And then you have the fact that they're here on THEIR NICKEL. They aren't asking for handouts.

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:02:33 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:57:12 -0400, norm <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote:

>

>>> Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no

>>> tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking

>

>I don't know where you got that ridiculous bit of information. If there were nothing involved in becoming a MVP, anyone could [well they can anyway's] not like they're going to wind up in jail for identity theft.

>

>But I ran across the page on MVP awhile back, and unless they've loosened the rules, there is a test. And a few other requirements.

>I know a little about a machine from 10 years experience. But not enough to be a MVP.

>

>That MVP tag whether you like the advice or the manner it's spoon fed to you, is in most cases 70% correct. It's definitely closer to accurate than any other help in a NG. I think it's a great program. I can usually trust the info from a MVP. Do I have any kill filed ? I doubt it.

>

>And then you have the fact that they're here on THEIR NICKEL. They aren't asking for handouts.

 

Another idiot heard from. You're saying a 70% accuracy rate is a good

thing? I'm closer to 99% accuracy. Duh!

 

Don't think so? Well then, here's a challenge for you, PROVE advice

I've given is inaccurate. Go ahead, make my day.

 

As far as you, you still haven't figured out how to set a normal line

length for your posts. What does that suggest about you?

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

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> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

> are MVP's after a while.

>

> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

> to the organization for which I represent.

 

No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

the MVP's say.

 

MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

 

(http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

 

'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

 

A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an

award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

technical communities.'

 

I didn't see this Q & A before.......

 

'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

 

A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft

has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found

on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

 

Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

 

Rules schmules........

Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent Microsft,

so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

 

MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives of

the company and they can aquire certain information that are not available

to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft Most Valuable

Professional" as the title.

 

So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal one,

and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

 

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>> are MVP's after a while.

>>

>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>> to the organization for which I represent.

>

> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

> the MVP's say.

>

> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>

> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>

> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>

> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an

> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

> technical communities.'

>

> I didn't see this Q & A before.......

>

> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

>

> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft

> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found

> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

>

> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>

> Rules schmules........

Let me try this - Hello :)

 

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

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> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>> are MVP's after a while.

>>

>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>> to the organization for which I represent.

>

> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

> the MVP's say.

>

> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>

> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>

> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>

> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an

> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

> technical communities.'

>

> I didn't see this Q & A before.......

>

> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

>

> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft

> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found

> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

>

> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>

> Rules schmules........

OK.

 

You won and I lost since my reply to you is being deleted.

 

 

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

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> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>> are MVP's after a while.

>>

>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>> to the organization for which I represent.

>

> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

> the MVP's say.

>

> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>

> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>

> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>

> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an

> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

> technical communities.'

>

> I didn't see this Q & A before.......

>

> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

>

> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft

> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found

> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

>

> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>

> Rules schmules........

xfile wrote:

> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent Microsft,

> so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

>

> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives of

> the company and they can aquire certain information that are not available

> to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft Most Valuable

> Professional" as the title.

>

> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal one,

> and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

Is this the post you "lost"?

 

Alias

>

>

> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>>

>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>>> are MVP's after a while.

>>>

>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>>> to the organization for which I represent.

>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

>> the MVP's say.

>>

>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>>

>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>>

>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>>

>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an

>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

>> technical communities.'

>>

>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......

>>

>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

>>

>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft

>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found

>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

>>

>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>>

>> Rules schmules........

>

>

LOL, it is :)

 

How did you get it?

 

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

news:u1Z47rS0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> xfile wrote:

>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent

>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

>>

>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives

>> of the company and they can aquire certain information that are not

>> available to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft

>> Most Valuable Professional" as the title.

>>

>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal

>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

>

> Is this the post you "lost"?

>

> Alias

>>

>>

>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

>> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

>>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in

>>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>>>

>>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they

>>>> are MVP's after a while.

>>>>

>>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful

>>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also

>>>> to the organization for which I represent.

>>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what

>>> the MVP's say.

>>>

>>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

>>>

>>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

>>>

>>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

>>>

>>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on

>>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received

>>> an

>>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in

>>> technical communities.'

>>>

>>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......

>>>

>>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

>>>

>>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft

>>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,

>>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules

>>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found

>>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

>>>

>>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

>>>

>>> Rules schmules........

>>