carl feredeck wrote:

 

>

>

> Notice I do not include an option for an MVP to be right that vista is a

> good OS.

>

>

You just keep doing it don't you?

You're just a loser troll.

Get lost.

Don't ever come in here again, ok mr crap.

Frank

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:04:23 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>

wrote:

> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote:

>

> > I not only block trolls but I block those who perpetuate

> > discussions with them. It does help with the message traffic here

> > on a daily basis. -)

>

> I tend to agree but I'm reluctant to killfile certain MVPs who often

> give useful information but are among the worst offenders. I guess

> there's no other alternative...

 

 

I yearn for a newsreader that would let me killfile names found in the

attribution line.

 

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:09 -0500, TeMerc <TeMerc.2ueg53@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>There seems to be alot of anger toward MVPs in this forum, the likes of

>which I've never encountered before.

 

They're TROLLS ! What this entire thread is all about. I have no idea who started this thread, but I find it perfectly useful like shooting fish in a barrel. I trimmed this thread to maybe 10 replies just by shooting trolls.

 

This thread has zero use in this group. Or any other than alt.flamewars.

 

Threads like this bring out all the trolls. Use it for what it's worth.

 

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And why this generates a comment on my ignorance is beyond me. It shows

a level of hostility I rarely have ever come across if ever at all.

 

And as far as me showing where you, Adam were not 100% correct, I'm not

concerned with what you claim to be your perfection, but rather evidence

of your claim that the MVPS are wrong so often of the time.

 

I think it is up to you to 'put up or shut up'. -You- made the claim,

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carl feredeck wrote:

> this is vista.general

>

> not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll

>

> there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like vista

> or else they are labled trolls.

>

All we've ever seen you post is how bad Vista is and what a piece of

"crap" it is. You certainly have the right to your personal opinion...as

we all do, but how many times do you think you can post that same

statement before someone challenges you on it, huh?

And what exactly do you think that continually posting your same

personal same opinion will accomplish other than starting an argument?

Obviously you're greatly in the minority of Vista haters as most users

actually like Vista.

But you even have a problem with others liking Vista don't you? You

think they must agree with you or else they're stupid or ignorant or

crazy or don't know what they're talking about.

So my "crap" friend, that really and truly makes you the perfect

definition of a troll.

You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!

Frank

> What don't you just disappear and never come back, ok?

> Frank

 

you are another good example of a troll

carl feredeck wrote:

> I think I should become a self proclaimed MVP and show the MVPs how they

> should act, and offer assistance!

 

Oh, we can't wait...hahaha!

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:09 -0500, TeMerc

> <TeMerc.2ueg53@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>> babaloo399711 Wrote:

>>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation

>>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the

>>> problems many users have with Vista.

>

>> Can you please provide specific threads where this is evident? I'm not

>> saying MVPs are infallible, but what you say I have not experienced.

>

> Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no

> tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking

> about. They are simply hand picked one of two ways. Either those

> already in the MVP program nominate somebody new or somebody from

> Microsoft picks them. Notice one thing common to all MVPs here?

>

> Well I guess not or I wouldn't have to be writing this. There will

> never, ever under any circumstances be even a little critical of

> Microsoft. Why do you suppose that is? Because they're Microsoft cheer

> leaders, I prefer the term apologists. You can confirm that's what

> they are just reading the slop they post.

 

Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no

problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and

gloomy as you paint it.

>

> Once in awhile some MVP that actually knows something spends a little

> time here. That's the exception, not the rule. Get a clue. This is the

> general group. The mirror leagues for MVPs. Not even tripe A ball.

> More like little league, actually more like bad news bears. Some

> backwater little hell hole the smarter MVP's generally avoid like the

> plague because the know the low talent big mouth gang hangs out here.

> Get it now?

>> There seems to be alot of anger toward MVPs in this forum, the likes of

>> which I've never encountered before.

>

> Because the quality of the MVP that hangs out here is sub par. Noted

> there a few good guys, but they get drown out but the bad ones. Here

> the rotten apple story plays out in reverse. There are one or two good

> MVPs, maybe 3 or 4and all the rest are rotten apples just prima donna

> types, control freaks, butt kissers.

>

 

 

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Why? Because it seems most of the MVPs are just as much trolls as the

actual trolls....just on the other side of the table.

 

 

XS11E wrote:

> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known

> trolls in this newsgroup?

>

> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't

> they?

you actually wrote more than one insulting sentance?

 

I am amazed with your progress....

 

 

Even if the majority does believe that vista is good (which is false by the

way) that does not mean I have to follow them.

And in the first place, if you see all the posts in this newsgroup, it is

you who attacks me whenever I say something about vista that you do not

like.

 

I never come stalking you... you do that. Not me. And who is that

"spankymonkey"?

> You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!

> Frank

 

Ok I get your message.. now will you stop stalking?

 

 

 

"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

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> carl feredeck wrote:

>

>> this is vista.general

>>

>> not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll

>>

>> there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like

>> vista or else they are labled trolls.

>>

> All we've ever seen you post is how bad Vista is and what a piece of

> "crap" it is. You certainly have the right to your personal opinion...as

> we all do, but how many times do you think you can post that same

> statement before someone challenges you on it, huh?

> And what exactly do you think that continually posting your same personal

> same opinion will accomplish other than starting an argument?

> Obviously you're greatly in the minority of Vista haters as most users

> actually like Vista.

> But you even have a problem with others liking Vista don't you? You think

> they must agree with you or else they're stupid or ignorant or crazy or

> don't know what they're talking about.

> So my "crap" friend, that really and truly makes you the perfect

> definition of a troll.

> You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!

> Frank

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:

> I yearn for a newsreader that would let me killfile names found in

> the attribution line.

 

You need a reader with scoring, I think Dialog, Pan, and SLRN have

scoring, I know Xnews does.

 

 

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Well, this has sure been an enlightening topic, but I'll forego any more

replies as it seems every thing is met with all sorts of hostility and

sub par hospitality.

 

I'll just try and read in between the 'BS' to find answers and refrain

from bothering to post any more.

 

Pity, it seemed like a nice place. Have a good day all.

 

 

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carl feredeck wrote:

> you actually wrote more than one insulting sentance?

>

> I am amazed with your progress....

>

>

> Even if the majority does believe that vista is good (which is false by the

> way) that does not mean I have to follow them.

> And in the first place, if you see all the posts in this newsgroup, it is

> you who attacks me whenever I say something about vista that you do not

> like.

>

> I never come stalking you... you do that. Not me. And who is that

> "spankymonkey"?

>

>

>>You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!

>>Frank

>

>

> Ok I get your message.. now will you stop stalking?

>

 

Sorry pal, just think of me as your personal supervisor or even your

personal troll blaster if you please...and oh, btw, just so you don't

get confused, you are the troll...hahaha!

Frank

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:49:11 -0500, TeMerc

<TeMerc.2uejmm@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>My apologies for not knowing that users could post from a newsgroup to

>this forum. I was unaware of this.

 

You have it backwards. Some people access this NEWSGROUP from a forum.

That really is an important difference. Newsgroups are like the old

wild West. Anybody can say anything. Period. That's why I piss all

over any Bozo that pretends he's in charge or any of the other dumb

stunts a certain wannabe MVP who's name starts with P and also is the

name of a planet does constantly. Now watch that stuck-up phony say

I'm stalking him. No, it is more accurate to say I'm belittling him

because of how he acts and he don't like it. -)

>And why this generates a comment on my ignorance is beyond me. It shows

>a level of hostility I rarely have ever come across if ever at all.

 

Newsgroups by nature at times can be hostile especially when somebody

leaves the door open and somebody waltzes in and starts acting like he

owns the joint. We have lots of those type of characters here. -)

>

>And as far as me showing where you, Adam were not 100% correct, I'm not

>concerned with what you claim to be your perfection, but rather evidence

>of your claim that the MVPS are wrong so often of the time.

>

>I think it is up to you to 'put up or shut up'. -You- made the claim,

>now please back it up with facts.

 

The proof is over at Google. There you'll find the usual suspects

making the same lame comments, some of the more popular summarized

below:

 

1. Nobody forced you to upgrade. If you don't like Vista, go back

to XP.

 

2. That's a driver issue.

 

3. You should have done a clean install.

 

4. The always popular fanboy theme song it isn't Microsoft's fault.

 

5. You didn't do research first, don't you know you're suppose to do

that.

 

6. All software has bugs.

 

7. It will be addressed in SP1

 

And so on.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:16:14 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>

wrote:

>"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote:

>

>> I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it

>> does feed trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they

>> know it all, but that is where I disagree with just leaving them

>> alone because they mislead and distract those that are here for

>> real information.

>

>Ian, you've seen how replying to Alias et al just triggers a never

>ending thread of no use to anyone.

>

>Maybe the best way to reply is to hit reply, add TROLL to the subject

>and delete the content?

 

 

Or the adult way. Simply ignore posters you don't like. Can you be

adult enough to do that? Apparently not.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:33:46 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>carl feredeck wrote:

>

>> you actually wrote more than one insulting sentance?

>>

>> I am amazed with your progress....

>>

>>

>> Even if the majority does believe that vista is good (which is false by the

>> way) that does not mean I have to follow them.

>> And in the first place, if you see all the posts in this newsgroup, it is

>> you who attacks me whenever I say something about vista that you do not

>> like.

>>

>> I never come stalking you... you do that. Not me. And who is that

>> "spankymonkey"?

>>

>>

>>>You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!

>>>Frank

>>

>>

>> Ok I get your message.. now will you stop stalking?

>>

>

>Sorry pal, just think of me as your personal supervisor or even your

>personal troll blaster if you please...and oh, btw, just so you don't

>get confused, you are the troll...hahaha!

>Frank

 

You always thought of in one way Frank. As the freaking idiot you are.

I am NOT amazed that you troll here. You write insulting sentences all the

time. By the way sentence is spelled with an "e" not an "a", but maybe you

missed the third grade.

 

With 60+ millions copies of Vista sold, the majority things Vista is good.

The small sampling of problems here are only a fraction of those 60 million

users, but at your education level, you probably have trouble with that

fact.

 

You are an idiot pure and simple and your only goal is to make trouble.

 

 

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

news:46aa7aaa@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> you actually wrote more than one insulting sentance?

>

> I am amazed with your progress....

>

>

> Even if the majority does believe that vista is good (which is false by

> the way) that does not mean I have to follow them.

> And in the first place, if you see all the posts in this newsgroup, it is

> you who attacks me whenever I say something about vista that you do not

> like.

>

> I never come stalking you... you do that. Not me. And who is that

> "spankymonkey"?

>

>> You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!

>> Frank

>

> Ok I get your message.. now will you stop stalking?

>

>

>

> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message

> news:uSTnpDK0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> carl feredeck wrote:

>>

>>> this is vista.general

>>>

>>> not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll

>>>

>>> there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like

>>> vista or else they are labled trolls.

>>>

>> All we've ever seen you post is how bad Vista is and what a piece of

>> "crap" it is. You certainly have the right to your personal opinion...as

>> we all do, but how many times do you think you can post that same

>> statement before someone challenges you on it, huh?

>> And what exactly do you think that continually posting your same personal

>> same opinion will accomplish other than starting an argument?

>> Obviously you're greatly in the minority of Vista haters as most users

>> actually like Vista.

>> But you even have a problem with others liking Vista don't you? You think

>> they must agree with you or else they're stupid or ignorant or crazy or

>> don't know what they're talking about.

>> So my "crap" friend, that really and truly makes you the perfect

>> definition of a troll.

>> You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!

>> Frank

>

>

>

Wrong Group Carl

 

Carl,

 

you belong in primate.retard.general. Stop posting here

 

 

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

news:46aa6dc1$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> this is vista.general

>

> not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll

>

> there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like

> vista or else they are labled trolls.

>

>

>

> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message

> news:uVQ%23VmJ0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Why? Because it seems most of the MVPs are just as much trolls as the

>> actual trolls....just on the other side of the table.

>>

>>

>> XS11E wrote:

>>> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known

>>> trolls in this newsgroup?

>>>

>>> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't

>>> they?

>>

>>

>

>

And you are a good example of a third grade failure

 

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

news:46aa7801$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> What don't you just disappear and never come back, ok?

>> Frank

>

> you are another good example of a troll

>

>

>

>

>

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:14:00 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>

wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:

>

> > I yearn for a newsreader that would let me killfile names found in

> > the attribution line.

>

> You need a reader with scoring, I think Dialog, Pan, and SLRN have

> scoring, I know Xnews does.

 

 

Thanks, I'll take a look at them.

 

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XS11E wrote:

> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known

> trolls in this newsgroup?

>

> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't

> they?

>

>

>

 

 

There certainly could be fewer such replies to trolls, yes. Speaking

for myself, I try to avoid replying to trolls, but there are occasions

when I feel that it's necessary to point out the deliberate false

statements some of them make, to prevent the inexperienced reader from

mistaking their lies as facts or sound advice. I usually (but not

always I'm not perfect) don't argue with their opinions (each is

entitled to his own) or beliefs (religiously held, it seems), but I will

dispute any deliberate distortions of the true facts.

 

 

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P. Di Stolfo wrote:

> Hello,

> I'm not an MVP, but sometimes I can't help writing my opinion because I

> don't like them to have their wrong facts everywhere without somebody

> answering the (more) true facts. Of course they like to provoke, but

> there are many persons reading their sometimes very silly remarks.

>

> Greetings,

> P. Di Stolfo

>

 

 

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P. Di Stolfo wrote:

> Hello,

> I'm not an MVP, but sometimes I can't help writing my opinion because I

> don't like them to have their wrong facts everywhere without somebody

> answering the (more) true facts.

 

 

Then it's not your "opinion." You're correcting a mistake or, in the

case of some trolls, a deliberate lie.

 

 

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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:32:51 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

> wrote:

>

>> I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it does feed

>> trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they know it all, but

>> that is where I disagree with just leaving them alone because they mislead

>> and distract those that are here for real information.

>

> Point to a single post I've made that wasn't 100% on the money

> technically.

>

> Either put up or shut up.

>

 

 

Out of more than 2260 posts of yours to this newsgroup between January

and a few days ago (searched via Google Groups), I can find only 4 posts

that even remotely addressed technical issues, and even then you limited

yourself to saying something obvious like "Install the correct driver."

Hardly a technical font of knowledge. The only reason you post is to

troll.

 

 

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>Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially >submitted it

>for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from >the name that

>this particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.

>If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take >it

>from there.

 

Agreed and true. Good or bad, Microsoft is generous enough to have little

censorship and we need to thank it for that.

 

There are a few self-appointed but not well-trained moderators with double

standards, but we can ignore them.

 

 

 

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:59:11 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:54 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

>wrote:

>

>>This is a MS, NG and has not mods.

>

>This is simply a newsgroup period. Accordingly nobody owns it or runs

>it. Any more dumb questions?

 

Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially submitted it

for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from the name that this

particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.

If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take it

from there.

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