You cannot imagine how bad it comes across when these MVP's misinform or

even "leave people in the dark" about the danger vista presents.

 

there are 3 possibilities

 

a) They have been brainwashed by Microsoft and lack every bit of

imagination, so they accept what they are given without even attempting to

think for themselves.

Also in order for this to be true they must lack the expertise and

understanding that gives a certain "feeling" about what is good or not.

(this is the most likely one).

 

b) They know how bad vista is but they do not express the negative aspects

publicly because they are afraid Microsoft will get mad with them and they

will withdraw the MVP title.

 

c) They are not really MVPs at all but they are trolls here just to throw

lies and create mischief amoung people who want to say the truth.

 

 

Notice I do not include an option for an MVP to be right that vista is a

good OS.

 

 

 

"P. Di Stolfo" wrote in message

news:2E00243E-082A-4521-932F-57F2F7A0168A@microsoft.com...

> Hello,

> I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not

> different from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input

> in the communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or

> misinforming as many times as everybody else.

> Greetings,

> P. Di Stolfo

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> "babaloo" <fac187@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

> news:0jtqi.26$ox5.5@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...

>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation

>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the

>> problems many users have with Vista.

>>

You cannot imagine how bad it comes across when these MVP's misinform or

even "leave people in the dark" about the danger vista presents.

 

there are 3 possibilities ( I am talking about the MVPs in this newsgroup

only)

 

a) They have been brainwashed by Microsoft and lack every bit of

imagination, so they accept what they are given without even attempting to

think for themselves.

Also in order for this to be true they must lack the expertise and

understanding that gives a certain "feeling" about what is good or not in an

OS.

(this is the most likely one).

 

b) They know how bad vista is but they do not express the negative aspects

publicly because they are afraid Microsoft will get mad with them and they

will withdraw the MVP title.

 

c) They are not really MVPs at all but they are trolls here just to throw

lies and create mischief amoung people who want to say the truth.

 

 

Notice I do not include an option for an MVP to be right that vista is a

good OS.

 

 

 

"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message

news:Xns997A87E1879F3xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...

>

> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known

> trolls in this newsgroup?

>

> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't

> they?

>

>

>

> --

> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

"TeMerc" <TeMerc.2uefg2@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message

news:TeMerc.2uefg2@no-mx.forums.net...

>

> David B.399685 Wrote:

>> Uhm, there are no mods".

> Ok, then maybe the super mods:

> http://www.vistax64.com/members/brink.html

> Every forum has 'mods' or moderators to curb this type of behavior.

 

 

You are using some forum that is connected to this newsgroup. Most people

here are accessing this NG through a newsreader.

 

ss.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:25:03 +0300, "carl feredeck"

<carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>I second that... the regular MVPs here are very low quality..

>

>perhaps we must import some new ones... hehe

 

Cool! That would be a good idea. -)

There are no moderators in microsoft newsgroups.

 

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|

| David B.399685 Wrote:

| > Uhm, there are no mods".

| Ok, then maybe the super mods:

| http://www.vistax64.com/members/brink.html

| Every forum has 'mods' or moderators to curb this type of behavior.

|

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:14:20 -0700, "Gary" <Gary@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>Thank you for your intelligent helpful message.

>What a jerk.

 

Oh I see, you get to call anybody any name you like, but you yourself

aren't a jerk. Still smarting from the spanking I gave you this

morning on color space and how NTSC color space doesn't show black as

0 or white as 255? Seems like you hold a grudge. <snicker>

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:32:51 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

wrote:

>I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it does feed

>trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they know it all, but

>that is where I disagree with just leaving them alone because they mislead

>and distract those that are here for real information.

 

Point to a single post I've made that wasn't 100% on the money

technically.

 

Either put up or shut up.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:54 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

wrote:

>This is a MS, NG and has not mods.

 

This is simply a newsgroup period. Accordingly nobody owns it or runs

it. Any more dumb questions?

Yes.

 

Regards,

Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User

http://bertk.mvps.org

Member: http://dts-l.org

 

P. Di Stolfo wrote:

> Hello,

> do you block messages because of the traffic? I let them all go in, but

> I just ignore the messages with a subject that doesn't sound like

> needing help.

>

> Greetings,

> P. Di Stolfo

Also there is nothing that says that people in here MUST say they like vista

or else they must labeled trolls.

 

This is vista.general

 

Not vista.mustbeworshiped

 

And that is what drives me crazy...

 

say something bad about vista, you are automatically a troll!

 

Misguide people that vista is good and blame the users saying its always

their fault or a driver or 3rd party app, but NEEEVVVVER VISTA fault then

you are not a troll!

 

WHAT IS THIS?????

 

I say that a troll is one who misleads, misinforms, distorts etc.

 

..

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:sjqka3dd03ur4ifhq7fjec7s7efnarjh3q@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:54 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

> wrote:

>

>>This is a MS, NG and has not mods.

>

> This is simply a newsgroup period. Accordingly nobody owns it or runs

> it. Any more dumb questions?

>

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:29:39 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"

wrote:

>Hello,

>I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not different

>from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input in the

>communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or misinforming as

>many times as everybody else.

>Greetings,

>P. Di Stolfo

 

The point is it isn't generally, JUST the majority of MVPs that hang

out in the general group. You know why? They're too dumb to handle any

questions in more specific news groups where some ACTUAL technical

knowledge or lack of same would be more obvious, so they hang out here

mostly to pick on newbies.

 

Damn, the truth sets you free every time.

 

ROTFLMAO!

this is vista.general

 

not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll

 

there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like vista

or else they are labled trolls.

 

 

 

"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message

news:uVQ%23VmJ0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Why? Because it seems most of the MVPs are just as much trolls as the

> actual trolls....just on the other side of the table.

>

>

> XS11E wrote:

>> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known

>> trolls in this newsgroup?

>>

>> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't

>> they?

>

>

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:16:07 -0500, TeMerc

<TeMerc.2uefg2@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>David B.399685 Wrote:

>> Uhm, there are no mods".

>Ok, then maybe the super mods:

>http://www.vistax64.com/members/brink.html

>Every forum has 'mods' or moderators to curb this type of behavior.

 

Your ignorance is showing. One more time. This isn't a forum. There

are no moderators. It's a newsgroup. A PUBLIC newsgroup. Anyone is

free to post here. People you many not like, even idiots like Frankie

and pompous jerks like Jupiter.

"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote:

> I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it

> does feed trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they

> know it all, but that is where I disagree with just leaving them

> alone because they mislead and distract those that are here for

> real information.

 

Ian, you've seen how replying to Alias et al just triggers a never

ending thread of no use to anyone.

 

Maybe the best way to reply is to hit reply, add TROLL to the subject

and delete the content?

 

 

 

 

--

XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

I think I should become a self proclaimed MVP and show the MVPs how they

should act, and offer assistance!

 

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:v4rka3d08505bc68hj5inm7ta0u33opvb9@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:29:39 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"

> wrote:

>

>>Hello,

>>I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not

>>different

>>from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input in the

>>communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or misinforming

>>as

>>many times as everybody else.

>>Greetings,

>>P. Di Stolfo

>

> The point is it isn't generally, JUST the majority of MVPs that hang

> out in the general group. You know why? They're too dumb to handle any

> questions in more specific news groups where some ACTUAL technical

> knowledge or lack of same would be more obvious, so they hang out here

> mostly to pick on newbies.

>

> Damn, the truth sets you free every time.

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

> Your ignorance is showing. One more time. This isn't a forum. There

> are no moderators. It's a newsgroup. A PUBLIC newsgroup. Anyone is

> free to post here

 

Even drunken moron losers like you georgie-boy!

Frank

carl feredeck wrote:

>

> I say that a troll is one who misleads, misinforms, distorts etc.

>

 

Just like you, huh?

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

>

> Oh I see, you get to call anybody any name you like, but you yourself

> aren't a jerk. Still smarting from the spanking I gave you this

> morning on color space and how NTSC color space doesn't show black as

> 0 or white as 255? Seems like you hold a grudge. <snicker>

>

 

"Spanking over a color space"...you're insane...you're

delusional...you're drunk...or you're really as dumb as you sound!

You don't know sh*t about color, or color space.

You know nothing.

Frank

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:09 -0500, TeMerc

<TeMerc.2ueg53@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>

>babaloo399711 Wrote:

>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation

>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the

>> problems many users have with Vista.

>Can you please provide specific threads where this is evident? I'm not

>saying MVPs are infallible, but what you say I have not experienced.

 

Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no

tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking

about. They are simply hand picked one of two ways. Either those

already in the MVP program nominate somebody new or somebody from

Microsoft picks them. Notice one thing common to all MVPs here?

 

Well I guess not or I wouldn't have to be writing this. There will

never, ever under any circumstances be even a little critical of

Microsoft. Why do you suppose that is? Because they're Microsoft cheer

leaders, I prefer the term apologists. You can confirm that's what

they are just reading the slop they post.

 

Once in awhile some MVP that actually knows something spends a little

time here. That's the exception, not the rule. Get a clue. This is the

general group. The mirror leagues for MVPs. Not even tripe A ball.

More like little league, actually more like bad news bears. Some

backwater little hell hole the smarter MVP's generally avoid like the

plague because the know the low talent big mouth gang hangs out here.

Get it now?

>

>There seems to be alot of anger toward MVPs in this forum, the likes of

>which I've never encountered before.

 

Because the quality of the MVP that hangs out here is sub par. Noted

there a few good guys, but they get drown out but the bad ones. Here

the rotten apple story plays out in reverse. There are one or two good

MVPs, maybe 3 or 4and all the rest are rotten apples just prima donna

types, control freaks, butt kissers.

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:27:14 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>

wrote:

>"Gary" <Gary@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>> Thank you for your intelligent helpful message.

>> What a jerk.

>

>Adam Albright is one of the reasons killfiles were invented and has

>been in mine for a very long time.

>

>I'm not critizing you personally, Gary, but you see what I'm getting

>at?

>

>If you'd killfiled him or resisted the temptation to reply to his

>idiocy, most of us would have never seen his post and that's a GOOD

>thing!

 

I love you too. -)

Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

> Point to a single post I've made that wasn't 100% on the money

> technically.

>

> Either put up or shut up.

>

You're a know nothing lying POS. Most all of your posting are lies,

distortions and full of misleading incorrect information.

Don't believe me...go google yourself.

Don't make me laugh.

You're wrong most of the time.

Frank

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:59:11 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:54 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

>wrote:

>

>>This is a MS, NG and has not mods.

>

>This is simply a newsgroup period. Accordingly nobody owns it or runs

>it. Any more dumb questions?

 

Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially submitted it for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from the name that this particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.

If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take it from there.

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carl feredeck wrote:

> You cannot imagine how bad it comes across when these MVP's misinform or

> even "leave people in the dark" about the danger vista presents.

 

"Misinform"...and all you do is call Vista "crap".

You're just about one of the most flagrant violators of what

misinforming is all about in this entire ng.

Do you ever read your own posts?

What don't you just disappear and never come back, ok?

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:29:39 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"

> wrote:

>

>

>>Hello,

>>I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not different

>

>>from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input in the

>

>>communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or misinforming as

>>many times as everybody else.

>>Greetings,

>>P. Di Stolfo

>

>

> The point is it isn't generally, JUST the majority of MVPs that hang

> out in the general group. You know why? They're too dumb to handle any

> questions in more specific news groups where some ACTUAL technical

> knowledge or lack of same would be more obvious, so they hang out here

> mostly to pick on newbies.

>

> Damn, the truth sets you free every time.

>

> ROTFLMAO!

>

What a lying sack of sh*t you really are!

Frank

carl feredeck wrote:

>>From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation

>>about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the

>>problems many users have with Vista.

>

>

> Those words should be etched on a plague of gold and mounted at Redmond!

> I have not seen any good MVP's in here... they are trolls. In other

> newsgroups there are some good ones...

> Not many though...

>

> You see, what kind of MVP would come here and throw propaganda about vista

> being good?

>

> So the good ones are not here because they know that vista is horrible!

>

>

You're and ignorant POS.

STFU!

Frank