"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Why do you run third-party applications that aren't compatilble with your

> fully-patched version of Windows?"

 

I think you're going to have a very hard time selling that line, PA Bear.

 

Unless you were joking, of course. If you weren't joking, I believe

Xanifred's post above is worth pondering:

 

"Xanifred wrote:

I suggest *you* go right ahead. Then call me to fix your computer when you

get overrun by malware. Be sure to tell me how proud you are to have ditched

those evil 3rd-party firewalls for the Windows Crayola version, so I can

charge you extra for stupidity."

 

I think folks should use the softwares/products they believe have earned

their trust - if for you that means using MS products only, that's fine, PA

Bear. (But I don't know anyone who uses the Win Firewall.)

Did same as below, but also 'hid' the update on MS update site so I can keep

automatic updates turned on, until someone comes up with a solution

>

>

> "bline" wrote:

>

> > Both of my machines, one SP2 and one SP3, had problems with Zonealarm and

> > this update. Uninstalled the update and connectivity was back.....for now.

> >

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> Uh-uh, third-party applications need to work with Windows, not the other

> way around. Sorry.

>

> KB951748 changes the way DNS works: ZA's gotta accommodate this change.

>

>

> George wrote:

>> That's not a very nice attitude PA Bear. The problem is caused by the

>> Windows Update not ZoneAlarm. The update seems to stuff up Zonealarm's

>> High

>> Security setting. It seem's that if you change the setting to medium,

>> your

>> internet works again.

>>

>> As Bob posted on the ZoneAlarm forum : "medium's action seems to be

>> "allow

>> unless you block" whereas High is the other way around". Your

>> suggestion of

>> "fix your ZA installation" is rather dull.

>>

>> MS needs to fix its KB951748 update.

>>

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>

>>> Fix your ZA installation!

>>> http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

>>> --

>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>

>>> Epademic wrote:

>>>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>>>> 07/08/08

>>>> I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>>>> connection

>>>> was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said

>>>> that

>>>> there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore,

>>>> which

>>>> fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one

>>>> at a

>>>> time untill i discovered that Security Update for Windows XP (KB951748)

>>>> was

>>>> the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>>>

>>>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I

>>>>> encourage

>>>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

>>>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical

>>>>> list. T

>>>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>>>> updates.

>>>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the

>>>>> problem

>>>>> so

>>>>> quickly.

>

since ZA worked before MS released the update the fault rests with MS

 

--

 

Rick

Fargo, ND

N 46°53'251"

W 096°48'279"

 

Remember the USS Liberty

http://www.ussliberty.org/

ozbluenose wrote:

> Perhaps if Microsoft designed its operating systems with better security in

> the first place then the poor sods who buy and use this operating system

> might not have to fork out more money to third party companies for software

> to plug its holes! Your high and mighty attitude, PA Bear, serves only to

> reinforce my perception that Microsoft is less genuinely interested in

> customer satisfaction than it is in ripping more money out of them and

> wasting their time trying to fix the damned thing up. Get a reality check -

> and some humanity, while you're at it.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Uh-uh, third-party applications need to work with Windows, not the other way

>> around. Sorry.

>>

>> KB951748 changes the way DNS works: ZA's gotta accommodate this change.

>>

>>

>> George wrote:

>>> That's not a very nice attitude PA Bear. The problem is caused by the

>>> Windows Update not ZoneAlarm. The update seems to stuff up Zonealarm's

>>> High

>>> Security setting. It seem's that if you change the setting to medium, your

>>> internet works again.

>>>

>>> As Bob posted on the ZoneAlarm forum : "medium's action seems to be "allow

>>> unless you block" whereas High is the other way around". Your suggestion

>>> of

>>> "fix your ZA installation" is rather dull.

>>>

>>> MS needs to fix its KB951748 update.

>>>

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Fix your ZA installation!

>>>> http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> Epademic wrote:

>>>>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>>>>> 07/08/08

>>>>> I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>>>>> connection

>>>>> was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said that

>>>>> there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore,

>>>>> which

>>>>> fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one at

>>>>> a

>>>>> time untill i discovered that Security Update for Windows XP (KB951748)

>>>>> was

>>>>> the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>>>>

>>>>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I

>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

>>>>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>>>>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>>>>> updates.

>>>>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> quickly.

>>

You hit the nail on the head. MS is to complacent, it has not had

enough competition and users are too much not inclined to put pressure

on them to build a better OS.

 

--

 

Rick

Fargo, ND

N 46°53'251"

W 096°48'279"

 

Remember the USS Liberty

http://www.ussliberty.org/

cf. http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

 

'Nuff said.

 

 

Roger Overunder wrote:

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>> Why do you run third-party applications that aren't compatilble with your

>> fully-patched version of Windows?"

>

> I think you're going to have a very hard time selling that line, PA Bear.

>

> Unless you were joking, of course. If you weren't joking, I believe

> Xanifred's post above is worth pondering:

>

> "Xanifred wrote:

> I suggest *you* go right ahead. Then call me to fix your computer when you

> get overrun by malware. Be sure to tell me how proud you are to have

> ditched

> those evil 3rd-party firewalls for the Windows Crayola version, so I can

> charge you extra for stupidity."

>

> I think folks should use the softwares/products they believe have earned

> their trust - if for you that means using MS products only, that's fine,

> PA

> Bear. (But I don't know anyone who uses the Win Firewall.)

Rick wrote:

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> Uh-uh, third-party applications need to work with Windows, not the other

>> way around. Sorry.

>>

>> KB951748 changes the way DNS works: ZA's gotta accommodate this change.

>>

>>

>> George wrote:

>>> That's not a very nice attitude PA Bear. The problem is caused by the

>>> Windows Update not ZoneAlarm. The update seems to stuff up Zonealarm's

>>> High

>>> Security setting. It seem's that if you change the setting to medium,

>>> your

>>> internet works again.

>>>

>>> As Bob posted on the ZoneAlarm forum : "medium's action seems to be

>>> "allow

>>> unless you block" whereas High is the other way around". Your

>>> suggestion of

>>> "fix your ZA installation" is rather dull.

>>>

>>> MS needs to fix its KB951748 update.

>>>

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Fix your ZA installation!

>>>> http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> Epademic wrote:

>>>>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>>>>> 07/08/08

>>>>> I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>>>>> connection

>>>>> was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said

>>>>> that

>>>>> there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore,

>>>>> which

>>>>> fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one

>>>>> at a

>>>>> time untill i discovered that Security Update for Windows XP

>>>>> (KB951748)

>>>>> was

>>>>> the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>>>>

>>>>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I

>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many

>>>>>> hits

>>>>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical

>>>>>> list. T

>>>>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>>>>> updates.

>>>>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the

>>>>>> problem

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> quickly.

>>

> since ZA worked before MS released the update the fault rests with MS

 

Your OS is Windows, not ZA.

 

cf. http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

Rick wrote:

<snip>

> You hit the nail on the head. MS is to complacent, it has not had

> enough competition and users are too much not inclined to put pressure

> on them to build a better OS.

 

Speaking of competition:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

Well, I had no idea that there was an issue with ZA and the KB951748 update.

I just assumed there was a general issue with the update, since I couldn't

get on the net even after disabling ZA.

I have used the ZA for many years on all of my machines, as I assume

millions of others have worldwide. I have had issues with ZA from time to

time, but must say that I have never had a virus, worm or any other critter

on my comupters.

I do believe that Microsoft does have some responsibility when releasing

critical updates to make sure that they play nice with at least the top

firewall/anti-virus programs. If not, let us know!

I feel bad for all those people out there that do not have as much computer

knowledge as the people on this forum that set there computer to auto update

windows patches and that now can't access the internet and have no idea why.

I am sure that on of the last things they would suspect is some conflict

between a major firewall program and an update from windows!

 

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> Rick wrote:

> <snip>

>> You hit the nail on the head. MS is to complacent, it has not had

>> enough competition and users are too much not inclined to put pressure

>> on them to build a better OS.

>

> Speaking of competition:

> http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

good site, I'll check it out

 

--

 

Rick

Fargo, ND

N 46°53'251"

W 096°48'279"

 

Remember the USS Liberty

http://www.ussliberty.org/

On Jul 9, 8:37 pm, Chipete <Chip...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Well, I had no idea that there was an issue with ZA and the KB951748update.  

> I just assumed there was a general issue with theupdate, since I couldn't

> get on the net even after disabling ZA.  

> I have used the ZA for many years on all of my machines, as I assume

> millions of others have worldwide.  I have had issues with ZA from time to

> time, but must say that I have never had a virus, worm or any other critter

> on my comupters.  

> I do believe that Microsoft does have some responsibility when releasing

> critical updates to make sure that they play nice with at least the top

> firewall/anti-virus programs.  If not, let us know!

> I feel bad for all those people out there that do not have as much computer

> knowledge as the people on this forum that set there computer to autoupdate

> windows patches and that now can't access the internet and have no idea why.  

> I am sure that on of the last things they would suspect is some conflict

> between a major firewall program and anupdatefrom windows!

>

>

>

> "Chipete" wrote:

> > I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748update.  I encourage

> > Microsoft to do a search on theupdateso they could see how many hits there

> > are already, and to take thisupdateoff of the critical list.  T

> > hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.  

> > Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> > quickly.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

You bet, though I'm not too worried about the forensics on who's fault

this is. Just need a fix! But the main workaround we see suggested is

to set the ZA slider down to Medium (from High). I'm using ZA Free,

latest build, and you can't set it higher than Medium anyway: the

"High" Setting is available only in ZA Pro, which sounds like the pay-

for version. Since the latest Microsoft update, on Medium in ZA all

internet access is blocked. Disenable ZA, enable the native XP

firewall & no problems connecting with IE7 or Firefox.

 

I've tried following the advice about re-setting the XA database but

it gets to "Once this is finished, reboot back into the normal mode

and in the new network found windows, set the new network to Trusted."

What "new network found windows"? I'm obviously dumb & missing

something, but can't find this.

 

Tried to register in ZA forums to post this stuff, but legitimate log-

in rejected. Maybe they've gone for a much-needed lunch break. Anyone

else in the same position?

 

Jonno

Just because a patch breaks software, it doesn't mean that it is a bad patch.

The problem exists with DNS, and not just Microsoft's DNS software. Other

software vendors are having to issue patches as well, and eventually Zone

Alarm will have to issue a patch as well.

 

Zone Alarm does work after the patch by reducing security to Medium or by

adding DNS servers to your trusted zone. Follow instructions on Zone Alarm's

website at the following link to correct the issue without disabling zone

alarm.

 

http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

 

 

 

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

Same problem here and I don't use Zone Alarm

But, PA Bear, I didn't see "just use Windows" anywhere on that recommeded

list! -)

 

I imagine you could go to any number of pages that have rankings that

conflict with one another. The best way, in my thinking, is for users to try

out misc free or trial versions and see which firewall works best for their

own purposes. So I'd probably start with good, well-known sites where users

do the ranking/reviews/ratings instead.

 

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> cf. http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

>

> 'Nuff said.

>

>

> Roger Overunder wrote:

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >> Why do you run third-party applications that aren't compatilble with your

> >> fully-patched version of Windows?"

> >

> > I think you're going to have a very hard time selling that line, PA Bear.

> >

> > Unless you were joking, of course. If you weren't joking, I believe

> > Xanifred's post above is worth pondering:

> >

> > "Xanifred wrote:

> > I suggest *you* go right ahead. Then call me to fix your computer when you

> > get overrun by malware. Be sure to tell me how proud you are to have

> > ditched

> > those evil 3rd-party firewalls for the Windows Crayola version, so I can

> > charge you extra for stupidity."

> >

> > I think folks should use the softwares/products they believe have earned

> > their trust - if for you that means using MS products only, that's fine,

> > PA

> > Bear. (But I don't know anyone who uses the Win Firewall.)

>

>

Dave Wright wrote:

> Just because a patch breaks software, it doesn't mean that it is a bad patch.

> The problem exists with DNS, and not just Microsoft's DNS software. Other

> software vendors are having to issue patches as well, and eventually Zone

> Alarm will have to issue a patch as well.

>

> Zone Alarm does work after the patch by reducing security to Medium or by

> adding DNS servers to your trusted zone. Follow instructions on Zone Alarm's

> website at the following link to correct the issue without disabling zone

> alarm.

>

> http://download.zonealarm.com/bin/free/pressReleases/2008/LossOfInternetAccessIssue.html

>

>

>

> "Chipete" wrote:

>

>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

>> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

>> quickly.

say you

 

--

 

Rick

Fargo, ND

N 46°53'251"

W 096°48'279"

 

Remember the USS Liberty

http://www.ussliberty.org/

Hi,

 

I worked around the issue by first looking at my ZoneAlarm Firewall logs,

noting all blocked outgoing connections under destination and taking note of

the ports at the and of the ip address (those are the numbers at the after

the colon 65.54.191.188:xxx) Most critical for web surfing is port 80. There

are many others that will impact other functions on the web, be it your email

service, secured internet sites etc. So anything that does not work as it

should is likely being blocked.

 

Once you know them, go to the firewall tab, Internet Zone Security, click

the custom radio button, next scroll down to Allow outgoing TCP ports, check

it off and add the port numbers that you find in the logs seperated by a

comma. Apply the changes and you should no longer have any problems.

 

While setting the the trusted zone to medium security, unintalling Zone

Alarm or other suggestions go, IMHO, they leave you too vunerable and I feel

are risky options.

 

Hope this helps!

 

 

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

I also had the same problem. After sending a long time with my ISP they

advised about the MS security update. I remove the update and my internet

sevice works again. Microsoft needs to make some adjustments to the parch.

 

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

Could it be because it's a test of third-part firewalls that offer two-way

protection?

 

Roger Overunder wrote:

> But, PA Bear, I didn't see "just use Windows" anywhere on that recommeded

> list! -)

>

> I imagine you could go to any number of pages that have rankings that

> conflict with one another. The best way, in my thinking, is for users to

> try

> out misc free or trial versions and see which firewall works best for

> their

> own purposes. So I'd probably start with good, well-known sites where

> users

> do the ranking/reviews/ratings instead.

>

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> cf. http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/results.php

>>

>> 'Nuff said.

>>

>>

>> Roger Overunder wrote:

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>> Why do you run third-party applications that aren't compatilble with

>>>> your

>>>> fully-patched version of Windows?"

>>>

>>> I think you're going to have a very hard time selling that line, PA

>>> Bear.

>>>

>>> Unless you were joking, of course. If you weren't joking, I believe

>>> Xanifred's post above is worth pondering:

>>>

>>> "Xanifred wrote:

>>> I suggest *you* go right ahead. Then call me to fix your computer when

>>> you

>>> get overrun by malware. Be sure to tell me how proud you are to have

>>> ditched

>>> those evil 3rd-party firewalls for the Windows Crayola version, so I can

>>> charge you extra for stupidity."

>>>

>>> I think folks should use the softwares/products they believe have earned

>>> their trust - if for you that means using MS products only, that's fine,

>>> PA

>>> Bear. (But I don't know anyone who uses the Win Firewall.)

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:00:02 -0700, YardDog wrote:

> Whatever you do don't listen to this GUY!. I've been a security professional

> for over 2 decades.

 

And a pretty ordinary one, so it seems.

> The professional security companies are

> much better at what they do than the default "for free" security you get with

> windows.

 

And which security company you are representing?

> Verify this by checking any number of industry magazines and/or

> professional forums.

 

What else you'd expect from advertisement-driven publications? You're

blinded by all that hype and hogwash.

> The inbuilt firewall and such is worth exactly what you paid for it.

 

For the average homeuser, the Windows Firewall in XP does a fantastic job

at its core mission and is really all you need if you have an 'real-time'

anti-virus program, [another firewall on your router or] other edge

protection like SeconfigXP and practise safe-hex.

The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not

give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots

of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.

> If you follow his advice do so at your own peril, you've at least been warned.

 

Instead following advertisement-driven magazines why don't you try to

educate yourself and become a more knowledgeable Security Expert. You're

are free and urged to contact Jesper M. Johansson directly, he also hangs

out MSFT newsgroups.

 

PFW Criticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_firewall#Criticisms

 

"Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil.

http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html

 

Why your firewall sucks.

http://tooleaky.zensoft.com/

"But I quickly realized the truth: The added protection provided by

outbound filtering is entirely illusory."

 

At Least This Snake Oil Is Free.

http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx

 

Deconstructing Common Security Myths.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx

Scroll down to:

"Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe."

 

Exploring the windows Firewall.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx

"Outbound protection is security theater¡Xit¡¦s a gimmick that only gives the

impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually

does improve your security."

 

Approximately 800 vulnerabilities discovered in antivirus products

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1445

>

> "Kayman" wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:25 +0100, Hawkins wrote:

>>

>>> On one computer with Comodo Firewall KB951748 installed and internet

>>> connection was fine. On another computer with Zone Alarm free KB 951748

>>> caused internet connection to be lost.

>>>

>>> As Zone Alarm is a very widely used firewall I think this board and

>>> Microsoft will have a very busy time over the next few days to come up with

>>> a fix.

>>>

>> All 3rd party software f/w apps are snake oil Uninstall it! Use the

>> in-build f/w version in conjunction with SecinfigXP.

>>

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:01:01 -0700, The myth of free wrote:

> Said before in other threads, but do not trust the free windows firewall and

> antispyware. If there's anything in the industry that's not worth what you

> pay for it's these "free" products.

 

Do yourself a favor and educate yourself prior posting embarrassing

messages.

>

> "Kayman" wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:13:00 -0700, George wrote:

>>

>>> Same here. The uodates caused ZoneAlarm to block internet access. I

>>> uninstalled the updates via Add/Remove programs, rebooted, and was boot on.

>>>

>>> MS needs to patch these updates to not destroy ZoneAlarm Pro.

>>>

>> ZA is not worth having, uninstall it! Use the in-build f/w version in

>> conjunction with SecinfigXP.

>>

I had the same problem. Unistalled the update and now it works fine.

typical microsoft half measures

 

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

ozbluenose wrote:

> Perhaps if Microsoft designed its operating systems with better security in

> the first place then the poor sods who buy and use this operating system

> might not have to fork out more money to third party companies for software

> to plug its holes!

 

... and what hole exactly does ZoneAlarm plug?

 

Harry.

Roger Overunder wrote:

> Thank you for that suggestion, R. But I honestly do not know anyone who uses

> or depends on Wins Firewall for security. I'm no different.

 

You do now ... several in fact.

 

Come to think of it, I don't know any expert who /doesn't/ use Windows firewall,

except in specialist situations where additional functionality is necessary.

 

Harry.

Xanifred wrote:

> For those folks suggesting you drop ZA and all other 3rd-party firewalls and

> rely on the Windows firewall, I suggest *you* go right ahead. Then call me to

> fix your computer when you get overrun by malware.

 

How's that, exactly? What precisely do you think these third-party snake-oil

products do that Windows firewall doesn't?

 

Harry.

Suo wrote:

> I had the same exact problem. I found KB951748 to prevent me from accessing

> the internet. I use ZA, and do not plan on changing that anytime soon.

> Microsoft better come up with a fix for this issue.

 

Microsoft can't fix it the bug is in ZA. No doubt ZA will issue a fix in due

course.

 

Harry.

"George" wrote:

> Same here. The uodates caused ZoneAlarm to block internet access. I

> uninstalled the updates via Add/Remove programs, rebooted, and was boot on.

>

> MS needs to patch these updates to not destroy ZoneAlarm Pro.

>

> "Chipete" wrote:

>

> > I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> > Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> > are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> > hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> > Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> > quickly.

 

Yes email and internet blocked on my PC, this is rediculous!