"ozbluenose" wrote:

> Here's a novel idea: How's about cooperating with all the third party

> Microsoft operating system fixers (that is, the many that provide solutions

> to the operating system's inadequacies) beforehand so that people like myself

> don't have to spend hours sorting out a problem after blindly trusting and

> automatically installing Microsoft's updates. Your flippant attitude forgets

> end-user choice from paying customers that choose to pay for third party

> fixing software to plug the operating system's holes.

 

Heh, good snark & good points there, OzBlue. But you're using way too much

common sense. :)

ozbluenose wrote:

> Perhaps if Microsoft designed its operating systems with better security in

> the first place then the poor sods who buy and use this operating system

> might not have to fork out more money to third party companies for software

> to plug its holes! Your high and mighty attitude, PA Bear, serves only to

> reinforce my perception that Microsoft is less genuinely interested in

> customer satisfaction than it is in ripping more money out of them and

> wasting their time trying to fix the damned thing up. Get a reality check -

> and some humanity, while you're at it.

 

Reality check:

 

Linux had the same DNS BIND updates.

 

Another reality check:

 

PA Bear helps more people on these forums in one day than you do in a year.

 

P

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Uh-uh, third-party applications need to work with Windows, not the other way

>> around. Sorry.

>>

>> KB951748 changes the way DNS works: ZA's gotta accommodate this change.

>>

>>

>> George wrote:

>>> That's not a very nice attitude PA Bear. The problem is caused by the

>>> Windows Update not ZoneAlarm. The update seems to stuff up Zonealarm's

>>> High

>>> Security setting. It seem's that if you change the setting to medium, your

>>> internet works again.

>>>

>>> As Bob posted on the ZoneAlarm forum : "medium's action seems to be "allow

>>> unless you block" whereas High is the other way around". Your suggestion

>>> of

>>> "fix your ZA installation" is rather dull.

>>>

>>> MS needs to fix its KB951748 update.

>>>

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Fix your ZA installation!

>>>> http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> Epademic wrote:

>>>>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>>>>> 07/08/08

>>>>> I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>>>>> connection

>>>>> was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said that

>>>>> there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore,

>>>>> which

>>>>> fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one at

>>>>> a

>>>>> time untill i discovered that Security Update for Windows XP (KB951748)

>>>>> was

>>>>> the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>>>>

>>>>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I

>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

>>>>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>>>>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>>>>> updates.

>>>>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> quickly.

>>

Roger Overunder wrote:

> Had the same problem - KB951748 stopped internet access.

>

> Uninstalling KB951748 using Win XPs add/remove programs worked for me.

>

> I'm not much interested in lowering my firewall security settings for an

> update that apparently wasn't given a "real world" trial.

>

> The glitch in this update does needs a bit of fixing.

>

> me:

> Windows XP SP3

> Zone Alarm Firewall

 

Uninstall Zone Alarm. Enable Windows firewall. This security date is

very important and everyone -- even Linux users -- need it.

 

P

> ================

>

> "Epademic" wrote:

>

>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of 07/08/08 I

>> found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless connection was

>> perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said that there

>> was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore, which fixed the

>> problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one at a time untill i

>> discovered that Security Update for Windows XP (KB951748) was the issue.

>> Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>

>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>

>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

>>> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

>>> quickly.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:23:01 -0700, ozbluenose wrote:

> Here's a novel idea: How's about cooperating with all the third party

> Microsoft operating system fixers (that is, the many that provide solutions

> to the operating system's inadequacies) beforehand so that people like myself

> don't have to spend hours sorting out a problem after blindly trusting and

> automatically installing Microsoft's updates. Your flippant attitude forgets

> end-user choice from paying customers that choose to pay for third party

> fixing software to plug the operating system's holes.

 

MSFT did not ask you to install this software. It was your decision, so

bear the consequences if the software manufacturer provides with broken

applications.

> Simply shutting off my

> internet connection as you did with this update shows complete disregard not

> of Zonealarm, but of ME!!! I DON'T APPRECIATE IT. And I further don't

> appreciate your comment about fixing the Zonealarm installation when I am

> trying to find a solution from all manner of places. If I was your boss I

> would give you a good dressing down for your behaviour, but then perhaps your

> behaviour is indicative of Microsoft's organisational culture.

 

Nobody gives a hoot. In this newsgroup you're communicating with volunteer

contributors and not MSFT employees.

 

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Uh-uh, third-party applications need to work with Windows, not the other way

>> around. Sorry.

>>

>> KB951748 changes the way DNS works: ZA's gotta accommodate this change.

>>

>>

>> George wrote:

>>> That's not a very nice attitude PA Bear. The problem is caused by the

>>> Windows Update not ZoneAlarm. The update seems to stuff up Zonealarm's

>>> High

>>> Security setting. It seem's that if you change the setting to medium, your

>>> internet works again.

>>>

>>> As Bob posted on the ZoneAlarm forum : "medium's action seems to be "allow

>>> unless you block" whereas High is the other way around". Your suggestion

>>> of

>>> "fix your ZA installation" is rather dull.

>>>

>>> MS needs to fix its KB951748 update.

>>>

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Fix your ZA installation!

>>>> http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> Epademic wrote:

>>>>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>>>>> 07/08/08

>>>>> I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>>>>> connection

>>>>> was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said that

>>>>> there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore,

>>>>> which

>>>>> fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one at

>>>>> a

>>>>> time untill i discovered that Security Update for Windows XP (KB951748)

>>>>> was

>>>>> the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>>>>

>>>>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I

>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

>>>>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>>>>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>>>>> updates.

>>>>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> quickly.

>>

>>

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:28:06 -0700, Roger Overunder wrote:

> "ozbluenose" wrote:

>

>> Here's a novel idea: How's about cooperating with all the third party

>> Microsoft operating system fixers (that is, the many that provide solutions

>> to the operating system's inadequacies) beforehand so that people like myself

>> don't have to spend hours sorting out a problem after blindly trusting and

>> automatically installing Microsoft's updates. Your flippant attitude forgets

>> end-user choice from paying customers that choose to pay for third party

>> fixing software to plug the operating system's holes.

>

> Heh, good snark & good points there, OzBlue. But you're using way too much

> common sense. :)

 

No good points whatsoever, a completely inappropriate post! Get your facts

straight before mouthing off, that's I'd call common sense!

--

Security is a process not a product.

(Bruce Schneier)

You're certainly welcome to refute his points, Kayman. I think intelligent

answers to the posited notions would be most helpful.

 

For example, where OzBlue notes:

"Your flippant attitude forgets

> >> end-user choice from paying customers that choose to pay for third party

> >> fixing software to plug the operating system's holes. "

 

Setting aside the "flippant attitude" remark, what is incorrect about his

assertion that the holes and flaws of the product have to addressed by using

3rd party softwares?

 

That's tantamount to General Motor customers needing to go to a Volkswagen

repair shop to get parts to keep their Chevy in working order.

 

As I said, I'd be more than interested if -anyone- could give a well thought

out, point by point refutation of the issues OzBlue raised. Personal attacks

and just shouting "no good points!" do not constitute an intelligent response

to an (rightly) upset customer-base..

 

=============

"Kayman" wrote:

> No good points whatsoever, a completely inappropriate post! Get your facts

> straight before mouthing off, that's I'd call common sense!

> --

> Security is a process not a product.

> (Bruce Schneier)

>

Thank you for that suggestion, R. But I honestly do not know anyone who uses

or depends on Wins Firewall for security. I'm no different.

 

As with all fixes that aren't quite ready for primetime, this will be

handled either by MS or ZoneAlarm shortly. Though I do believe MS should do

some real world "field testing" before it releases a fix so it could give a

heads up re: conflicts with popular softwares. Makes good business sense and

good customer PR.

 

But "this too shall pass", as they say.

========================

 

"p" wrote:

> Roger Overunder wrote:

> > Had the same problem - KB951748 stopped internet access.

> >

> > Uninstalling KB951748 using Win XPs add/remove programs worked for me.

> >

> > I'm not much interested in lowering my firewall security settings for an

> > update that apparently wasn't given a "real world" trial.

> >

> > The glitch in this update does needs a bit of fixing.

> >

> > me:

> > Windows XP SP3

> > Zone Alarm Firewall

>

> Uninstall Zone Alarm. Enable Windows firewall. This security date is

> very important and everyone -- even Linux users -- need it.

>

> P

> > ================

> >

> > "Epademic" wrote:

> >

> >> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of 07/08/08 I

> >> found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless connection was

> >> perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said that there

> >> was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore, which fixed the

> >> problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one at a time untill i

> >> discovered that Security Update for Windows XP (KB951748) was the issue.

> >> Microsoft, please fix this update.

> >>

> >> "Chipete" wrote:

> >>

> >>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> >>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> >>> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> >>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> >>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> >>> quickly.

>

ZONEALARM BLOCKS INTERNET BROWSER ACCESS WITH KB951748

 

After updating from XP patch KB951748 ZoneAlarm can no longer interpret the

difference between programs trying to access the internet.

This causes all DNS packets to be blocked.

 

TEMPORARY SOLUTION

The only solution is to lower Internet Zone Security to Medium in the

Firewall options tab or disabling the Firewall.

 

LONG TERM SOLUTION

Uninstall KB951748, do a system restore to 2008-07-07 or wait for another

update from Microsoft or Zone Labs ZoneAlarm.

 

Kind Regards Ken

Same problem! I've just uninstalled the update and now it works fine.

 

Running XP Pro with ZoneAlarm Pro

This is a real pain as I maintain several PCs all with Zone Alarm on.

Presumably there's a good reason for the update, so I've removed ZoneAlarm

until there is a fix. Given that no other firewall software seems to be

affected it looks like a ZoneAlarm issue? Anyone know of issues with other

software firewalls? Removing ZoneAlarm was not completely straight forward as

the ZoneAlarm uninstaller leaves the Spyware blocker behind so you have to

remove that seperately using add / remove programs. Happy days!

 

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

Everything works fine if you disable or uninstall ZA and enable the Windows

Firewall...or if you install a firewall that works better with Windows

(e.g., Online Armor). Seems to me then that ZA is the problem.

 

ozbluenose wrote:

> Perhaps if Microsoft designed its operating systems with better security

> in

> the first place then the poor sods who buy and use this operating system

> might not have to fork out more money to third party companies for

> software

> to plug its holes! Your high and mighty attitude, PA Bear, serves only to

> reinforce my perception that Microsoft is less genuinely interested in

> customer satisfaction than it is in ripping more money out of them and

> wasting their time trying to fix the damned thing up. Get a reality

> check -

> and some humanity, while you're at it.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Uh-uh, third-party applications need to work with Windows, not the other

>> way around. Sorry.

>>

>> KB951748 changes the way DNS works: ZA's gotta accommodate this change.

>>

>>

>> George wrote:

>>> That's not a very nice attitude PA Bear. The problem is caused by the

>>> Windows Update not ZoneAlarm. The update seems to stuff up Zonealarm's

>>> High

>>> Security setting. It seem's that if you change the setting to medium,

>>> your

>>> internet works again.

>>>

>>> As Bob posted on the ZoneAlarm forum : "medium's action seems to be

>>> "allow

>>> unless you block" whereas High is the other way around". Your suggestion

>>> of

>>> "fix your ZA installation" is rather dull.

>>>

>>> MS needs to fix its KB951748 update.

>>>

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Fix your ZA installation!

>>>> http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> Epademic wrote:

>>>>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>>>>> 07/08/08

>>>>> I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>>>>> connection

>>>>> was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said

>>>>> that

>>>>> there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore,

>>>>> which

>>>>> fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one

>>>>> at

>>>>> a

>>>>> time untill i discovered that Security Update for Windows XP

>>>>> (KB951748)

>>>>> was

>>>>> the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>>>>

>>>>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I

>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many

>>>>>> hits

>>>>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list.

>>>>>> T

>>>>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>>>>> updates.

>>>>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the

>>>>>> problem

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> quickly.

I can assure you that ZA had the opportunity to test KB951748 before it was

released. Ask ZA why they didn't.

 

ozbluenose wrote:

> Here's a novel idea: How's about cooperating with all the third party

> Microsoft operating system fixers (that is, the many that provide

> solutions

> to the operating system's inadequacies) beforehand so that people like

> myself don't have to spend hours sorting out a problem after blindly

> trusting and automatically installing Microsoft's updates. Your flippant

> attitude forgets end-user choice from paying customers that choose to pay

> for third party fixing software to plug the operating system's holes.

> Simply shutting off my internet connection as you did with this update

> shows complete disregard not of Zonealarm, but of ME!!! I DON'T

> APPRECIATE

> IT. And I further don't appreciate your comment about fixing the

> Zonealarm

> installation when I am trying to find a solution from all manner of

> places.

> If I was your boss I would give you a good dressing down for your

> behaviour, but then perhaps your behaviour is indicative of Microsoft's

> organisational culture.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> Uh-uh, third-party applications need to work with Windows, not the other

>> way around. Sorry.

>>

>> KB951748 changes the way DNS works: ZA's gotta accommodate this change.

>>

>>

>> George wrote:

>>> That's not a very nice attitude PA Bear. The problem is caused by the

>>> Windows Update not ZoneAlarm. The update seems to stuff up Zonealarm's

>>> High

>>> Security setting. It seem's that if you change the setting to medium,

>>> your

>>> internet works again.

>>>

>>> As Bob posted on the ZoneAlarm forum : "medium's action seems to be

>>> "allow

>>> unless you block" whereas High is the other way around". Your suggestion

>>> of

>>> "fix your ZA installation" is rather dull.

>>>

>>> MS needs to fix its KB951748 update.

>>>

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Fix your ZA installation!

>>>> http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board?board.id=cfg

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>>>

>>>> Epademic wrote:

>>>>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>>>>> 07/08/08

>>>>> I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>>>>> connection

>>>>> was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it said

>>>>> that

>>>>> there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System Restore,

>>>>> which

>>>>> fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3 updates one

>>>>> at

>>>>> a

>>>>> time untill i discovered that Security Update for Windows XP

>>>>> (KB951748)

>>>>> was

>>>>> the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>>>>

>>>>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I

>>>>>> encourage

>>>>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many

>>>>>> hits

>>>>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list.

>>>>>> T

>>>>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>>>>> updates.

>>>>>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the

>>>>>> problem

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> quickly.

See

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message.id=52727

 

Roger Overunder wrote:

> Had the same problem - KB951748 stopped internet access.

>

> Uninstalling KB951748 using Win XPs add/remove programs worked for me.

>

> I'm not much interested in lowering my firewall security settings for an

> update that apparently wasn't given a "real world" trial.

>

> The glitch in this update does needs a bit of fixing.

>

> me:

> Windows XP SP3

> Zone Alarm Firewall

> ================

>

> "Epademic" wrote:

>

>> After downloading and installing the three updates available as of

>> 07/08/08 I found that I could no longer access the internet. My wireless

>> connection was perfect, I even used the Microsoft Diagnostic Tool, and it

>> said that there was an issue with my router or my ISP. I did System

>> Restore, which fixed the problem, went onto Microsoft.com and did the 3

>> updates one at a time untill i discovered that Security Update for

>> Windows

>> XP (KB951748) was the issue. Microsoft, please fix this update.

>>

>> "Chipete" wrote:

>>

>>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

>>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

>>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>>> updates. Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the

>>> problem so quickly.

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message.id=52727

 

Kenzeitak wrote:

> ZONEALARM BLOCKS INTERNET BROWSER ACCESS WITH KB951748

>

> After updating from XP patch KB951748 ZoneAlarm can no longer interpret

> the

> difference between programs trying to access the internet.

> This causes all DNS packets to be blocked.

>

> TEMPORARY SOLUTION

> The only solution is to lower Internet Zone Security to Medium in the

> Firewall options tab or disabling the Firewall.

>

> LONG TERM SOLUTION

> Uninstall KB951748, do a system restore to 2008-07-07 or wait for another

> update from Microsoft or Zone Labs ZoneAlarm.

>

> Kind Regards Ken

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message.id=52727

 

CJ wrote:

> Same problem! I've just uninstalled the update and now it works fine.

>

> Running XP Pro with ZoneAlarm Pro

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&message.id=52727

 

WG-Racing wrote:

> This is a real pain as I maintain several PCs all with Zone Alarm on.

> Presumably there's a good reason for the update, so I've removed ZoneAlarm

> until there is a fix. Given that no other firewall software seems to be

> affected it looks like a ZoneAlarm issue? Anyone know of issues with other

> software firewalls? Removing ZoneAlarm was not completely straight forward

> as the ZoneAlarm uninstaller leaves the Spyware blocker behind so you have

> to remove that seperately using add / remove programs. Happy days!

>

> "Chipete" wrote:

>

>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>> updates.

>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem

>> so

>> quickly.

The problem is with Zone Alarm. They are aware of the issue, and are working

on it:

 

http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg&thread.id=52785

 

For ZA Free, there are two possible fixes: uninstall KB951748, or reset your

internet security level to Medium in ZA. Neither is ideal. Uninstalling the

update is preferable, but only just.

 

For those using ZA Pro, here's a suggested solution. IDK if it works, since

I'm running ZA Free, but it's worth a try:

 

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20762892-

 

For the rest of us, you can always try Comodo Firewall instead:

 

http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/download_firewall.html

 

Comodo is not tweaking over the expanded range of ports this update appears

to implement.

 

For those folks suggesting you drop ZA and all other 3rd-party firewalls and

rely on the Windows firewall, I suggest *you* go right ahead. Then call me to

fix your computer when you get overrun by malware. Be sure to tell me how

proud you are to have ditched those evil 3rd-party firewalls for the Windows

Crayola version, so I can charge you extra for stupidity.

I had the same exact problem. I found KB951748 to prevent me from accessing

the internet. I use ZA, and do not plan on changing that anytime soon.

Microsoft better come up with a fix for this issue.

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

"Jerry" wrote:

> Item has been deleted from ZA forums.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:u8Vp8EW4IHA.4448@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > See related threads here:

> > http://forum.zonelabs.org/zonelabs/board/message?board.id=cfg

> > --

> > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

> >

> > Chipete wrote:

> >> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> >> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

> >> there

> >> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> >> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

> >> updates.

> >> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem

> >> so

> >> quickly.

> >

>

>

> KB951748 - I have 2 machines (XP Pro w/ SP3 and ZoneAlarm free). The update in question broke my e-mail (Thunderbird, Firefox 3 and IE7). Even after rebooting and disabling ZoneAlarm. My Vista Premium ( Firefox 3, Thunderbird and Vista Firewall which is a third party firewall, not from MS) the only program affected was Firefox. Thunderbird worked and IE7. Just adding additional info.

Whatever you do don't listen to this GUY!. I've been a security

professional for over 2 decades. The professional security companies are

much better at what they do than the default "for free" security you get with

windows. Verify this by checking any number of industry magazines and/or

professional forums. The inbuilt firewall and such is worth exactly what you

paid for it. If you follow his advice do so at your own peril, you've at

least been warned.

 

 

"Kayman" wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:50:25 +0100, Hawkins wrote:

>

> > On one computer with Comodo Firewall KB951748 installed and internet

> > connection was fine. On another computer with Zone Alarm free KB 951748

> > caused internet connection to be lost.

> >

> > As Zone Alarm is a very widely used firewall I think this board and

> > Microsoft will have a very busy time over the next few days to come up with

> > a fix.

> >

> All 3rd party software f/w apps are snake oil Uninstall it! Use the

> in-build f/w version in conjunction with SecinfigXP.

>

Said before in other threads, but do not trust the free windows firewall and

antispyware. If there's anything in the industry that's not worth what you

pay for it's these "free" products.

 

 

 

"Kayman" wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:13:00 -0700, George wrote:

>

> > Same here. The uodates caused ZoneAlarm to block internet access. I

> > uninstalled the updates via Add/Remove programs, rebooted, and was boot on.

> >

> > MS needs to patch these updates to not destroy ZoneAlarm Pro.

> >

> ZA is not worth having, uninstall it! Use the in-build f/w version in

> conjunction with SecinfigXP.

>

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

ZA recommends uninstalling the update until the issue is resolved. You can

also reduce ZA's protection level to MEDIUM and restore the connection, if

you're comfortable with that.

 

The update seemed to mess with my wife connecting to her workplace, too.

I was also unable to use my internet connection after applying this update to

Windows XP media center edition (SP3) which is using Zone Alarm Security

Suite. After I uninstalled it everything is fine. This is why I do not

allow automatic updates.

 

"Chipete" wrote:

> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits there

> are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install updates.

> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem so

> quickly.

Why do you run third-party applications that aren't compatilble with your

fully-patched version of Windows?

 

snye13 wrote:

> I was also unable to use my internet connection after applying this update

> to Windows XP media center edition (SP3) which is using Zone Alarm

> Security

> Suite. After I uninstalled it everything is fine. This is why I do not

> allow automatic updates.

>

> "Chipete" wrote:

>

>> I, too, could not get on the net after the KB951748 update. I encourage

>> Microsoft to do a search on the update so they could see how many hits

>> there are already, and to take this update off of the critical list. T

>> hankfully, I do not allow XP to automatically download and install

>> updates.

>> Otherwise, I might have not been able to find the source of the problem

>> so

>> quickly.