On Jul 26, 5:06 am, Gladiator <n...@email.invalid> wrote:

> Vista is so secure that I can't even do a simple thing like watch

> videos at youtube. You locked the gates but you also locked me out in

> the process. Linux is a more secure OS too and I have no problem

> viewing youtube on that OS. Get rid of that DRM crap too as it is

> already causing issues with memory address space allocation. In the

> meantime I will use XP as my main OS until Vista is ready for prime

> time. By then I expect I will have to buy a new version of the OS. As

> it is now Vista is just a novelty OS to me.

 

I play YouTube fine on Vista, but I have to agree with you on the

security overkill in Vista. Seems the general idea is "If we can

prevent people from doing as much as possible we will prevent the

potential bad stuff in the process". UAC in it's current form may be

good for people who is totally clueless, but for people who has been

around computers for a while it's just annoying. I found a great

little app which easily lets me configure UAC. It's called TweakUAC

and can be found here:

 

http://www.tweak-uac.com/

 

But for your YouTube problems I think you need to look elsewhere,

maybe at your Adobe Flash installation, or lack of such! :)

 

//ceed

Re: Well now....

 

Henry <not@all.com> wrote in news:f8ajfj$jg8$1@registered.motzarella.org:

> Alias wrote:

>> I am here to spread the word about an OS that

>> doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu

>> on the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

> This is a "microsoft" and "windows" and "vista"

> discussion, and without your help perhaps 99.99% of readers here

> already know that linux is an option,

 

99.99% !?!?!?! Doubt it. Come on. Who are you kidding.

 

Does this 99.9% include the people that think this is a forum on whatever

web page they are using (MS Communties, Google Groups, etc.) ?

 

Does it include the people that think MS Word comes with Windows ?

 

Does this include the people that say they 'downloaded' a program to

their PC, whe nthey really mean 'install' ?

 

Does it include the people that think a CPU is the case w/PS, HD, and

other drives ?

> and where to learn more

> about it.

> Bluntly, you do not belong here, are not welcome, are

> not needed, and you know it.

>

> The fact that you persist suggests that something irrational is

> driving you. You probably have difficulty finding satisfaction

> elsewhere, so seek missionary status by shining the light of

> linux upon the darkness of Microsoft.

>

> However, like most of history's savages who met people like you,

> I have a choice.

 

And yet you seem to make the choice to read Alias' posts.

 

That's you problem.

> While I won't broil you for dinner, I

> definitely can figure out how to use the kill filter on this

> news client -- and will.

 

At least your using a real newsreader....well...maybe not, you're using

an pseudo-newsreader e-mail client.

>

> Henry

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in

news:ECD0FD6C-CA87-48BD-9DD9-405EAF5FDD89@microsoft.com:

> Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

> view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone

> who has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high

> def DVD they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at

> playing it. With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone

> developed a program that defeated the DRM built into the content.

> Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't agree with or support)

> Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with the RIAA and others

> or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft

> had fought it but I am also a realist and understand that with the

> DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move their company

> out of the US.

>

 

Well Kerry, as the RIAA has found out, it's not as easy as they think.

 

And there supposedly is a program to defeat DRM.

 

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-latest-aacs-revision-

defeated-a-week-before-release.html

 

Of course, this is old news, from 5/17/2007, but what I find interesting is

that, if you'll notice in the url, defeated-a-week-before-release.

 

Now THAT is funny.

 

There's been a utility to rip DRM out of MP3 files for a while now.

DanS wrote:

> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in

> news:ECD0FD6C-CA87-48BD-9DD9-405EAF5FDD89@microsoft.com:

>

>

>>Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

>>view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone

>>who has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high

>>def DVD they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at

>>playing it. With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone

>>developed a program that defeated the DRM built into the content.

>>Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't agree with or support)

>>Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with the RIAA and others

>>or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft

>>had fought it but I am also a realist and understand that with the

>>DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move their company

>>out of the US.

>>

>

>

> Well Kerry, as the RIAA has found out, it's not as easy as they think.

>

> And there supposedly is a program to defeat DRM.

>

> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-latest-aacs-revision-

> defeated-a-week-before-release.html

>

> Of course, this is old news, from 5/17/2007, but what I find interesting is

> that, if you'll notice in the url, defeated-a-week-before-release.

>

> Now THAT is funny.

>

> There's been a utility to rip DRM out of MP3 files for a while now.

 

 

Excuse me but I don't get your point? You seem to be implying that

everyone affected by DRM has used the crack to defeat DRM and therefore

DRM is totally ineffective?

Is that your point?

Frank

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

news:Xns9979B61BE36EFthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in

> news:ECD0FD6C-CA87-48BD-9DD9-405EAF5FDD89@microsoft.com:

>

>> Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

>> view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone

>> who has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high

>> def DVD they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at

>> playing it. With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone

>> developed a program that defeated the DRM built into the content.

>> Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't agree with or support)

>> Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with the RIAA and others

>> or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft

>> had fought it but I am also a realist and understand that with the

>> DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move their company

>> out of the US.

>>

>

> Well Kerry, as the RIAA has found out, it's not as easy as they think.

>

> And there supposedly is a program to defeat DRM.

>

> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-latest-aacs-revision-

> defeated-a-week-before-release.html

>

> Of course, this is old news, from 5/17/2007, but what I find interesting

> is

> that, if you'll notice in the url, defeated-a-week-before-release.

>

> Now THAT is funny.

>

> There's been a utility to rip DRM out of MP3 files for a while now.

 

 

Of course DRM will be broken. That's besides the point. Because of the DMCA

no US company can legally do this. If you want to legally sell (or give

away) a player for HD DRM encrypted content in the US you have to adhere to

the laws and implement DRM rather than try to bypass it.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

http://www.vistahelp.ca

"The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy" <none@none.not> wrote in message

news:f8akje$cc6$1@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> Youtube videos play ok here.. do you have Adobe Flash installed?

>>

>> DRM is a product of the music industry.. complain to them..

>>

>

> WPA and WGA/N are not products of the music industry!

>

 

 

I'm not sure what WGA has to do with this thread. Have you seen this?

 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=5744&tag=nl.e539

 

WGA obviously inconveniences some users. I don't particularly like it. It

does seem to be catching some rather large pirates.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

http://www.vistahelp.ca

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:31:11 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>DanS wrote:

>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in

>> news:ECD0FD6C-CA87-48BD-9DD9-405EAF5FDD89@microsoft.com:

>>

>>

>>>Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

>>>view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone

>>>who has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high

>>>def DVD they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at

>>>playing it. With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone

>>>developed a program that defeated the DRM built into the content.

>>>Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't agree with or support)

>>>Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with the RIAA and others

>>>or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft

>>>had fought it but I am also a realist and understand that with the

>>>DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move their company

>>>out of the US.

>>>

>>

>>

>> Well Kerry, as the RIAA has found out, it's not as easy as they think.

>>

>> And there supposedly is a program to defeat DRM.

>>

>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-latest-aacs-revision-

>> defeated-a-week-before-release.html

>>

>> Of course, this is old news, from 5/17/2007, but what I find interesting is

>> that, if you'll notice in the url, defeated-a-week-before-release.

>>

>> Now THAT is funny.

>>

>> There's been a utility to rip DRM out of MP3 files for a while now.

>

>

>Excuse me but I don't get your point? You seem to be implying that

>everyone affected by DRM has used the crack to defeat DRM and therefore

>DRM is totally ineffective?

>Is that your point?

>Frank

 

If you're going to insist on building your goofy Strawmen at least

learn how you clueless Bozo.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:06:20 +0100, "Mike Brannigan"

<Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote:

 

>One solution would be to go 64-bit as a 32-bit process is allowed the full

>4GB address space unlike the 2GB limit on 32-bit

 

Yes, and that is what I am about to do in ten minutes as my E6850 cpu

was delivered topday. But that doesn't help the majority of Vista

users.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:31:11 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>

>

>>DanS wrote:

>>

>>>"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in

>>>news:ECD0FD6C-CA87-48BD-9DD9-405EAF5FDD89@microsoft.com:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

>>>>view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone

>>>>who has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high

>>>>def DVD they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at

>>>>playing it. With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone

>>>>developed a program that defeated the DRM built into the content.

>>>>Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't agree with or support)

>>>>Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with the RIAA and others

>>>>or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft

>>>>had fought it but I am also a realist and understand that with the

>>>>DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move their company

>>>>out of the US.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>Well Kerry, as the RIAA has found out, it's not as easy as they think.

>>>

>>>And there supposedly is a program to defeat DRM.

>>>

>>>http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-latest-aacs-revision-

>>>defeated-a-week-before-release.html

>>>

>>>Of course, this is old news, from 5/17/2007, but what I find interesting is

>>>that, if you'll notice in the url, defeated-a-week-before-release.

>>>

>>>Now THAT is funny.

>>>

>>>There's been a utility to rip DRM out of MP3 files for a while now.

>>

>>

>>Excuse me but I don't get your point? You seem to be implying that

>>everyone affected by DRM has used the crack to defeat DRM and therefore

>>DRM is totally ineffective?

>>Is that your point?

>>Frank

>

>

> If you're going to insist on building your goofy Strawmen at least

> learn how you clueless Bozo.

>

 

Do you have point or are you just slobbering all over your keyboard (as

usual!), huh?

Frank

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:14:25 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>

wrote:

>I have an HD service and view HD programming on my HD TV. I am impressed.

>It's great. The reason you are probably not impressed is because it's hard

>to view HD on a 17" TV 20 years old. Just doesn't work!

 

Agree. A froend of mine just got HD Satellite last week and it's much

better than SD TV on a big screen. On a small screen the puixels are

more compacted so it is not as noticeable. Even SDTV upscaled to

1280x1024 via my Viewsonic N6 makes a noticeable difference and that

is not even HD content.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:04:21 -0400, "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>YOU are ***NOT*** a customer.

 

As I posted in another post. I have XP/Vista/Win2KPro/WinME all

running on various PC's right now. That makes me a very good Microsoft

cutomer. Even have a copy of Dos 6.2 laying around if I want to

install that. QDOS = Quick and Dirty Operating System. And it made

Microsoft rich. The mind boggles.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:23:23 -0400, "Dave" <dave@beepbeep.com> wrote:

>Go to Filehippo and download Firefox 2.0.0.5, quit using IE7

>http://www.filehippo.com/

>

>Then download the update checker (top right) and run it.

>Update all of your installed programs.

 

OK. will do, thanks. I do use FF on XP but was trying to see how Vista

is out of the box with no 3rd party browsers. Already had one virus

try to smack my PC down but AVG caught it before Vista had a chance

to. With FF and noscript plugin it would never have even been able to

try to infect my PC.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:39:32 -0400, "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Right. But he is saying that he can't see you tube videos in Vista. Of

>course he can't because he isn't running Vista. So - technically he is

>correct - but he is still a troll.

 

Wrong once again. This is a well known issue on Vista and is fixable

but if I admitted to that then then I wouldn't be a very good troll,

right?

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:25:04 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

 

>Youtube works just fine in Vista Ultimate & IE7.

>Frank

 

Not with Vista out of the box it doesn't.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:34:38 -0700, ceed <ceed.spameater@dysthe.net>

wrote:

 

>

>http://www.tweak-uac.com/

 

Ok, thanks, will download it now.

>But for your YouTube problems I think you need to look elsewhere,

>maybe at your Adobe Flash installation, or lack of such! :)

 

I have flash installed. I think I just need to update to the latest

version. Or else it is because I set IE7 security settings too high. I

think I know what it is now. Some supposed Vista guru told me to turn

off active scripting and that is what is causing my issue. No worry as

am about to format and install Vista 64bit so will sort it then if I

need to.

Re: Well now....

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> Maybe if you spent more time with your wife and business you could possible

> scrape up enough euros to purchase a copy of Vista. Better yet, you could

> spring on a vacation and get away from the vista.general users group for a

> week and go deep into the African jungles and spread the Ubuntu word.

> People in Africa need to know about the improtant features of the all

> knowing all doing Ubuntu. Remember, you ARE their marketing department so

> don't disappoint them.

 

Have you always had this problem?

 

Alias

>

>

> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

> news:%23yt6mZ6zHHA.4236@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Henry wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> I am here to spread the word about an OS that doesn't control you. I

>>>> won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu on the Ubuntu news

>>>> group. Am I getting too logical for you?

>>>

>>> OPEN LETTER TO ALIAS

>>>

>>> Ubuntu is unimportant to me, and so are you. We're a business and most of

>>> the serious things we do employ Microsoft tools - which work very well

>>> for us.

>>>

>>> What bothers me (but won't for long) is that you seem to be evangelical

>>> about Ubuntu, as though it is more of a religion than an operating

>>> system. You are here to "spread the word"... a statement that you should

>>> seriously consider as evidence of a problem. This is a "microsoft" and

>>> "windows" and "vista" discussion, and without your help perhaps 99.99% of

>>> readers here already know that linux is an option, and where to learn

>>> more about it. Bluntly, you do not belong here, are not welcome, are not

>>> needed, and you know it.

>>>

>>> The fact that you persist suggests that something irrational is driving

>>> you. You probably have difficulty finding satisfaction elsewhere, so seek

>>> missionary status by shining the light of linux upon the darkness of

>>> Microsoft.

>>>

>>> However, like most of history's savages who met people like you, I have a

>>> choice. While I won't broil you for dinner, I definitely can figure out

>>> how to use the kill filter on this news client -- and will.

>>>

>>> Henry

>> Bye, bye.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

Re: Well now....

 

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Henry wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> I am here to spread the word about an OS that doesn't control you. I

>>>> won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu on the Ubuntu news

>>>> group. Am I getting too logical for you?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> OPEN LETTER TO ALIAS

>>>

>>> Ubuntu is unimportant to me, and so are you. We're a business and

>>> most of the serious things we do employ Microsoft tools - which work

>>> very well for us.

>>>

>>> What bothers me (but won't for long) is that you seem to be

>>> evangelical about Ubuntu, as though it is more of a religion than an

>>> operating system. You are here to "spread the word"... a statement

>>> that you should seriously consider as evidence of a problem. This is

>>> a "microsoft" and "windows" and "vista" discussion, and without your

>>> help perhaps 99.99% of readers here already know that linux is an

>>> option, and where to learn more about it. Bluntly, you do not belong

>>> here, are not welcome, are not needed, and you know it.

>>>

>>> The fact that you persist suggests that something irrational is

>>> driving you. You probably have difficulty finding satisfaction

>>> elsewhere, so seek missionary status by shining the light of linux

>>> upon the darkness of Microsoft.

>>>

>>> However, like most of history's savages who met people like you, I

>>> have a choice. While I won't broil you for dinner, I definitely can

>>> figure out how to use the kill filter on this news client -- and will.

>>>

>>> Henry

>>

>>

>> Bye, bye.

>>

>> Alias

>

> giggle...Henry so poetically and succinctly nailed you and your

> "problem" yet as expected, your ignorance and self-centered arrogance

> knows not what to do.

> Ha!

> Frank

 

As if.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> No.. what he means is that he was watching 30 TV's in El Corte Ingles..

>>

>>

>> Actually, it was another store but you've got the right idea.

>>

>>> He learned Vista that way too, looking at the computers on display..

>>

>>

>> No, playing with it for a couple of hours. I have also researched it

>> online and read about all the problems right here on this ng.

>

> Yeah...right...and that makes you a Vista expert.

> Yeah....

> Frank

 

NO ONE is a Vista expert.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>

>>> If you used Vista you may be able to see youtube videos in Vista.

>>>

>>> You are using Linsux.

>>>

>>

>> You Tube works just fine in Ubuntu.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Youtube works just fine in Vista Ultimate & IE7.

> Frank

 

I don't believe it! A Frank post without an insult!

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>> news:upm7kP3zHHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>> Youtube videos play ok here.. do you have Adobe Flash installed?

>>>>

>>>> DRM is a product of the music industry.. complain to them..

>>>

>>> Um, the music industry, specifically EMI, is learning that DRM is

>>> not a good thing. When will MS wake up?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Microsoft will respond when the entire media publishing industry

>> (music, movie etc) all no longer wish to use DRM.

>> Until that time DRM is a technology that a publisher CHOOSES to use

>> to protect THEIR content.

>> This is not a Microsoft issue - it is one entirely of the media

>> industry and the piracy of their products making.

>

> Yet another good reason to wait on Vista. I suppose the music and film

> industry put a gun up to MS' head and forced them to include DRM in

> Vista ...

>

> Alias

 

Exactly. It's MS's OS. They have enough power to listen to (or in this

case not listen to) whomever they please.

> Yet another good reason to wait on Vista. I suppose the music and film

> industry put a gun up to MS' head and forced them to include DRM in

> Vista ...

 

Good point, wait until you know how to use the OS.

 

Why use something that aggravates you? )

 

Rich

Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in

news:umCdpS9zHHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> DanS wrote:

>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in

>> news:ECD0FD6C-CA87-48BD-9DD9-405EAF5FDD89@microsoft.com:

>>

>>

>>>Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you

>>>can't view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to

>>>someone who has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play

>>>a high def DVD they just bought? At least with Vista they have a

>>>chance at playing it. With Linux the only way to play it would be if

>>>someone developed a program that defeated the DRM built into the

>>>content. Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't agree with or

>>>support) Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with the RIAA

>>>and others or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and

>>>wish Microsoft had fought it but I am also a realist and understand

>>>that with the DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move

>>>their company out of the US.

>>>

>>

>>

>> Well Kerry, as the RIAA has found out, it's not as easy as they

>> think.

>>

>> And there supposedly is a program to defeat DRM.

>>

>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-latest-aacs-revision-

>> defeated-a-week-before-release.html

>>

>> Of course, this is old news, from 5/17/2007, but what I find

>> interesting is that, if you'll notice in the url,

>> defeated-a-week-before-release.

>>

>> Now THAT is funny.

>>

>> There's been a utility to rip DRM out of MP3 files for a while now.

>

>

> Excuse me but I don't get your point? You seem to be implying that

> everyone affected by DRM has used the crack to defeat DRM and

> therefore DRM is totally ineffective?

> Is that your point?

> Frank

 

Geez Frank, my point is that it's been cracked (possibly, as I haven't

verified this for myself) and it can be bypassed apparently.

 

That's it, my entire point, no sweeping implications. Maybe you would

have understood that if I ended the post with ....just FYI.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:33:21 -0500, "GO"

<aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>> Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>>> news:upm7kP3zHHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> Youtube videos play ok here.. do you have Adobe Flash installed?

>>>>>

>>>>> DRM is a product of the music industry.. complain to them..

>>>>

>>>> Um, the music industry, specifically EMI, is learning that DRM is

>>>> not a good thing. When will MS wake up?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Microsoft will respond when the entire media publishing industry

>>> (music, movie etc) all no longer wish to use DRM.

>>> Until that time DRM is a technology that a publisher CHOOSES to use

>>> to protect THEIR content.

>>> This is not a Microsoft issue - it is one entirely of the media

>>> industry and the piracy of their products making.

>>

>> Yet another good reason to wait on Vista. I suppose the music and film

>> industry put a gun up to MS' head and forced them to include DRM in

>> Vista ...

>>

>> Alias

>

>Exactly. It's MS's OS. They have enough power to listen to (or in this

>case not listen to) whomever they please.

>

Exactly and Microsoft decided for profit to get into bed with the

Hollywood crowd, a gang I know something about. -) HUGE mistake.

>>"Adam Albright" complained...

>>> Hint: The English language is designed to be read left to right and

>>> top to bottom. Why do clueless Microsoft fanboys insist on being

>>> idiots and demand people read whatever crap they posted BEFORE reading

>>> what you are replying to?

>>>

>>> Damn, dumb doesn't come close to describing arrogant top posters that

>>> always think just what THEY say is important and deserves to be at the

>>> top.

>>>

>>> Why is bottom posting the correct way? Because you never know when

>>> somebody is NEW to the thread. They don't want to ready what some jerk

>>> posted at the top before they read in CRONGICAL order what others have

>>> said, including the original post.

>>>

> <here@home.again> wrote:

>>Yes and no. A lot of self-help newsgroups are mostly Q&A, not

>>conversational. People come here to find an answer to the problem named in

>>the topic title, so finding info first is what they want. All these long

>>heated debates are useless to anyone needing a quick fix to, say, making

>>another mail client the 'mailto' default. When everything works fine

>>'except' then they don't care about whatever else was said, they want to

>>find what they need fast. The only people that really take time to read

>>the

>>rest of this junk are the idiots that live here. -)

>

"Adam Albright" dribbled...

> That's crazy. You make the foolish assumption whoever made the last

> post in a thread is going to always be the most relevant or useful to

> whoever is following the thread or joining a thread that's been in

> progress for days.

>

> That would be like reading a recipe backwards. Remove from pan. Bake

> at 450 degrees for 20 minutes, stir ingredients, add water, flour,

> eggs.

>

> Get it? You don't read bottom to top. You read top to bottom.

>

 

You didn't understand what I said, did you? If the average user wants help,

they are looking for a solution in a topic with the problem named in the

title. They are going to ignore the whole silly thread, no matter how many

replies it has, because they are looking for something specific. They are

not interested in reading any arguments from idiots, debates about politics,

or opinions about sports. All they want is to find an answer to their

specific problem. Period. Q&A, not conversational. Get it? So, who made the

foolish assumption? This is Usenet, not some message board or IM chatroom.

But you ARE the Marketing Department for Ubuntu - Tell the world.

Especially the Nigerians

 

 

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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> Frank wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>> No.. what he means is that he was watching 30 TV's in El Corte Ingles..

>>>

>>>

>>> Actually, it was another store but you've got the right idea.

>>>

>>>> He learned Vista that way too, looking at the computers on display..

>>>

>>>

>>> No, playing with it for a couple of hours. I have also researched it

>>> online and read about all the problems right here on this ng.

>>

>> Yeah...right...and that makes you a Vista expert.

>> Yeah....

>> Frank

>

> NO ONE is a Vista expert.

>

> Alias