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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Youtube videos play ok here.. do you have Adobe Flash installed?

>

> DRM is a product of the music industry.. complain to them..

>

Bullshit! MickeyMouse and Apple are the ones implementing it on the desktop.

 

Shake Hands With,

Mr. Happy

 

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"Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and

sure enough, things got worse.

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    Richard Urban wrote:

    > For Microsoft to include the technologies they did, yes, a gun was held to

    > their head. Comply or don't offer HD video. BTW, video card manufacturers

    > had to comply also - so why don't you rail against them?

    >

    Bullshit, again! I run nvidia proprietary drivers in Linux and have no DRM

    restrictions using the card.

     

    Shake Hands With,

    Mr. Happy

     

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    "Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and

    sure enough, things got worse.

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    Gladiator wrote:

    > On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:06:35 -0400, "Richard Urban"

    > <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >

    >>For Microsoft to include the technologies they did, yes, a gun was held to

    >>their head. Comply or don't offer HD video. BTW, video card manufacturers

    >>had to comply also - so why don't you rail against them?

    >

    > I bought an LCD projector and wanted to upscale the DVD's from my PC

    > to 1280x720 onto the projector. Both WMP11 and Cyberlink PowerDVD

    > wouldn't allow me to do this due to Macrovision. No problem. VLC to

    > the rescue. All DRM methods will be defeated so they may as well give

    > up now and stop wasting money and users time with their BS. We are

    > getting sick of the RIAA. They are scumbags.

     

    Once again OSS to the rescue.

     

    Shake Hands With,

    Mr. Happy

     

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    "Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and

    sure enough, things got worse.

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    Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't view

    some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone who has just

    purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high def DVD they just

    bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at playing it. With Linux the

    only way to play it would be if someone developed a program that defeated

    the DRM built into the content. Given the DMCA in the US (which I don't

    agree with or support) Microsoft's only choices were to toe the line with

    the RIAA and others or be locked out of playing the content. I hate DRM and

    wish Microsoft had fought it but I am also a realist and understand that

    with the DMCA they really don't have a choice unless they move their company

    out of the US.

     

    --

    Kerry Brown

    Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

    http://www.vistahelp.ca

     

     

    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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    > Gladiator wrote:

    >> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:54:07 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"

    >> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >>> DRM is a product of the music industry.. complain to them..

    >>

    >> Microsoft is the one playing patsy to the RIAA.

    >

    > Yeah, they could just say "no".

    >

    > Alias

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    Well now....

     

    Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you would

    get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help thousands

    of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that sorry excuse for

    an OS

     

     

    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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    > Richard Urban wrote:

    >> <grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

    >>

    >> Please stop before I pis* myself!

    >>

    >> You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a

    >> chance.

    >>

    >

    > How about the Microsoft users who post here? Can you set an example? Or

    > don't you care about them either?

    >

    > Alias

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    Definitely smacks of 'net nanny' eh.. :-)

     

     

    <here@home.again> wrote in message

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    > "Alias" instructed...

    >> Please learn how to post in Usenet. The way you post makes it so when one

    >> uses a real news reader, everything below your sig gets nuked. Either

    >> bottom post or get rid of your sig.

    >>

    >

    > Usenet posting monitor? Nowhere is it written that Mr.

    > I'll-post-what-I-want gets to tell anyone else how to post. -)

    >

     

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    Mike Hall

    MS MVP Windows Shell/User

    http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

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    here@home.again wrote:

    > "Alias" instructed...

    >> Please learn how to post in Usenet. The way you post makes it so when one

    >> uses a real news reader, everything below your sig gets nuked. Either

    >> bottom post or get rid of your sig.

    >>

    >

    > Usenet posting monitor? Nowhere is it written that Mr. I'll-post-what-I-want

    > gets to tell anyone else how to post. -)

    >

    >

     

    Just a suggestion. He can take it or leave it but I am sure he will

    leave it.

     

    Alias

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    Re: Well now....

     

    Bill Yanaire wrote:

    > Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you would

    > get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help thousands

    > of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that sorry excuse for

    > an OS

     

    I do and others do too. I am here to spread the word about an OS that

    doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu

    on the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

     

    So, when a newbie finds out about activation, genuinizing, DRM, BSOD,

    etc. I am here to helpfully guide them to a real OS.

     

    Alias

    >

    >

    > "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    > news:uonHM94zHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >> Richard Urban wrote:

    >>> <grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

    >>>

    >>> Please stop before I pis* myself!

    >>>

    >>> You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a

    >>> chance.

    >>>

    >> How about the Microsoft users who post here? Can you set an example? Or

    >> don't you care about them either?

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    >

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    Kerry Brown wrote:

    > Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

    > view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone who

    > has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high def DVD

    > they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at playing it.

    > With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone developed a

    > program that defeated the DRM built into the content. Given the DMCA in

    > the US (which I don't agree with or support) Microsoft's only choices

    > were to toe the line with the RIAA and others or be locked out of

    > playing the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft had fought it but I

    > am also a realist and understand that with the DMCA they really don't

    > have a choice unless they move their company out of the US.

    >

     

    We'll see what happens. I have seen HD and I'm not impressed.

     

    Alias

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    "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in

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    > <grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

    >

    > Please stop before I pis* myself!

    >

    > You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a

    > chance.

     

    I'm not a Linux user, and I hate top-posting.

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    I have an HD service and view HD programming on my HD TV. I am impressed.

    It's great. The reason you are probably not impressed is because it's hard

    to view HD on a 17" TV 20 years old. Just doesn't work!

     

     

    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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    > Kerry Brown wrote:

    >> Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

    >> view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone who

    >> has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high def DVD

    >> they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at playing it.

    >> With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone developed a

    >> program that defeated the DRM built into the content. Given the DMCA in

    >> the US (which I don't agree with or support) Microsoft's only choices

    >> were to toe the line with the RIAA and others or be locked out of playing

    >> the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft had fought it but I am also a

    >> realist and understand that with the DMCA they really don't have a choice

    >> unless they move their company out of the US.

    >>

    >

    > We'll see what happens. I have seen HD and I'm not impressed.

    >

    > Alias

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    Re: Well now....

     

    <SNORT>

     

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    Regards,

     

    Richard Urban

    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

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    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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    > Kerry Brown wrote:

    >> Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

    >> view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone who

    >> has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high def DVD

    >> they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at playing it.

    >> With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone developed a

    >> program that defeated the DRM built into the content. Given the DMCA in

    >> the US (which I don't agree with or support) Microsoft's only choices

    >> were to toe the line with the RIAA and others or be locked out of playing

    >> the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft had fought it but I am also a

    >> realist and understand that with the DMCA they really don't have a choice

    >> unless they move their company out of the US.

    >>

    >

    > We'll see what happens. I have seen HD and I'm not impressed.

    >

    > Alias

     

     

    I agree with you on this. DRM will never work in the long run. It will

    always be worked around forcing ever more onerous schemes to enforce it.

    Eventually the consumer will get so pi$$ed off they will just say no to

    content with DRM. Hopefully this time will come sooner rather than later. In

    the mean time given the DMCA anyone who sells a HD content player in the US

    must deal with it.

     

    --

    Kerry Brown

    Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

    http://www.vistahelp.ca

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    Richard Urban wrote:

    > <SNORT>

    >

    Regards,

     

    Richard Urban

    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

     

    Not that this top posting Wintard is an MVP and the best he can come up

    with is "snort".

     

    Alias

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    Bill Yanaire wrote:

    > I have an HD service and view HD programming on my HD TV. I am impressed.

    > It's great. The reason you are probably not impressed is because it's hard

    > to view HD on a 17" TV 20 years old. Just doesn't work!

     

    I watched it on about 30 wide screen, brand new TVs. Not impressed, sorry.

     

    Alias

    >

    >

    > "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    > news:%23TVd0Y5zHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >> Kerry Brown wrote:

    >>> Just say no as Linux has done? Unfortunately this means that you can't

    >>> view some HD content in Linux. Would you like to explain to someone who

    >>> has just purchased their new media pc why they can't play a high def DVD

    >>> they just bought? At least with Vista they have a chance at playing it.

    >>> With Linux the only way to play it would be if someone developed a

    >>> program that defeated the DRM built into the content. Given the DMCA in

    >>> the US (which I don't agree with or support) Microsoft's only choices

    >>> were to toe the line with the RIAA and others or be locked out of playing

    >>> the content. I hate DRM and wish Microsoft had fought it but I am also a

    >>> realist and understand that with the DMCA they really don't have a choice

    >>> unless they move their company out of the US.

    >>>

    >> We'll see what happens. I have seen HD and I'm not impressed.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    >

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    Go to Filehippo and download Firefox 2.0.0.5, quit using IE7

    http://www.filehippo.com/

     

    Then download the update checker (top right) and run it.

    Update all of your installed programs.

     

     

     

    "Gladiator" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message

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    > Vista is so secure that I can't even do a simple thing like watch

    > videos at youtube. You locked the gates but you also locked me out in

    > the process. Linux is a more secure OS too and I have no problem

    > viewing youtube on that OS. Get rid of that DRM crap too as it is

    > already causing issues with memory address space allocation. In the

    > meantime I will use XP as my main OS until Vista is ready for prime

    > time. By then I expect I will have to buy a new version of the OS. As

    > it is now Vista is just a novelty OS to me.

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    Re: Well now....

     

    When you, and others, refer to Linsux - yes, that is the only response that

    the post is really worth.

     

    <SNORT>

     

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    Regards,

     

    Richard Urban

    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

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    Re: Well now....

     

    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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    > Bill Yanaire wrote:

    >> Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you would

    >> get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help

    >> thousands of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that

    >> sorry excuse for an OS

    >

    > I do and others do too. I am here to spread the word about an OS that

    > doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu on

    > the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

    >

    > So, when a newbie finds out about activation, genuinizing, DRM, BSOD, etc.

    > I am here to helpfully guide them to a real OS.

    >

    > Alias

     

    Which is entire Off Topic for this peer to peer support newsgroup.

    If your purpose is not to provide help and assistance ON Windows Vista

    (which by your admission it is not as your mission is to redirect them to

    another product) then you should not be participating in this newsgroup.

    Users make their own purchasing decisions and when they have a problem with

    that product they want help on it not others telling that they should have

    bought this or that.

    By all means go advertise your product in other advocacy newsgroups or none

    product specific newsgroups etc but you should not be posting adverts for

    other products here. Either help with the product this group is focused on

    or refrain from posting.

     

    Think of this as akin to a Ford dealer sitting in the service area of the

    local Dodge dealer and telling anyone who walks in to ask a question about

    their car or has a problem with it, that they should go down the road to

    your dealership and products. Frankly you would be taken out the back by a

    couple of pipe wrench wielding mechanics and shown the error of your ways

    where as in here all we can do is politely ask you to refrain from your none

    productive actions.

    --

     

    Mike Brannigan

     

    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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    > Bill Yanaire wrote:

    >> Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you would

    >> get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help

    >> thousands of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that

    >> sorry excuse for an OS

    >

    > I do and others do too. I am here to spread the word about an OS that

    > doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu on

    > the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

    >

    > So, when a newbie finds out about activation, genuinizing, DRM, BSOD, etc.

    > I am here to helpfully guide them to a real OS.

    >

    > Alias

    >>

    >>

    >> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    >> news:uonHM94zHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >>> Richard Urban wrote:

    >>>> <grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

    >>>>

    >>>> Please stop before I pis* myself!

    >>>>

    >>>> You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a

    >>>> chance.

    >>>>

    >>> How about the Microsoft users who post here? Can you set an example? Or

    >>> don't you care about them either?

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>

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    If you used Vista you may be able to see youtube videos in Vista.

     

    You are using Linsux.

     

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    Regards,

     

    Richard Urban

    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

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    On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:20:20 -0400, <here@home.again> wrote:

    >"Alias" instructed...

    >> Please learn how to post in Usenet. The way you post makes it so when one

    >> uses a real news reader, everything below your sig gets nuked. Either

    >> bottom post or get rid of your sig.

    >>

    >

    >Usenet posting monitor? Nowhere is it written that Mr. I'll-post-what-I-want

    >gets to tell anyone else how to post. -)

     

    When Bozos don't post according to long established Usenet convention

    they look pretty dumb. You choice of course. -)

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    Re: Well now....

     

    We are talking to the wind it seems. All Alias wants to do is preach Ubuntu

    to the masses. Hopefully most can see that Ubuntu is a toy and not worthy

    of anything else but a glance.

     

     

    "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message

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    > "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    > news:Omsu0X5zHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >> Bill Yanaire wrote:

    >>> Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you

    >>> would get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help

    >>> thousands of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that

    >>> sorry excuse for an OS

    >>

    >> I do and others do too. I am here to spread the word about an OS that

    >> doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu on

    >> the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

    >>

    >> So, when a newbie finds out about activation, genuinizing, DRM, BSOD,

    >> etc. I am here to helpfully guide them to a real OS.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    > Which is entire Off Topic for this peer to peer support newsgroup.

    > If your purpose is not to provide help and assistance ON Windows Vista

    > (which by your admission it is not as your mission is to redirect them to

    > another product) then you should not be participating in this newsgroup.

    > Users make their own purchasing decisions and when they have a problem

    > with that product they want help on it not others telling that they should

    > have bought this or that.

    > By all means go advertise your product in other advocacy newsgroups or

    > none product specific newsgroups etc but you should not be posting adverts

    > for other products here. Either help with the product this group is

    > focused on or refrain from posting.

    >

    > Think of this as akin to a Ford dealer sitting in the service area of the

    > local Dodge dealer and telling anyone who walks in to ask a question about

    > their car or has a problem with it, that they should go down the road to

    > your dealership and products. Frankly you would be taken out the back by

    > a couple of pipe wrench wielding mechanics and shown the error of your

    > ways where as in here all we can do is politely ask you to refrain from

    > your none productive actions.

    > --

    >

    > Mike Brannigan

    >

    > "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    > news:Omsu0X5zHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >> Bill Yanaire wrote:

    >>> Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you

    >>> would get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can help

    >>> thousands of lost users who don't know what they are doing with that

    >>> sorry excuse for an OS

    >>

    >> I do and others do too. I am here to spread the word about an OS that

    >> doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu on

    >> the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

    >>

    >> So, when a newbie finds out about activation, genuinizing, DRM, BSOD,

    >> etc. I am here to helpfully guide them to a real OS.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    >>> news:uonHM94zHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >>>> Richard Urban wrote:

    >>>>> <grin> <wink> <giggles> <howling laughter>

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Please stop before I pis* myself!

    >>>>>

    >>>>> You really think I may change to make the Linsux crowd happy. Not a

    >>>>> chance.

    >>>>>

    >>>> How about the Microsoft users who post here? Can you set an example? Or

    >>>> don't you care about them either?

    >>>>

    >>>> Alias

    >>>

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    On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:02:55 -0400, "Richard Urban"

    <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >You see how I post. If you don't like the Microsoft default, go away. I will

    >not change and I **like** top posting.

     

    That's because you're a Bozo Richie.

    >

    >I know what I am responding to. Why should others have to read through the

    >same previous verbiage two, three or twenty times to get to my response?

     

    Nobody does you clueless idiot.

     

    Here's a thought.... look over at the far right end of the window

    you're reading this in. See that little square sitting on top of a

    long vertical bar? It's called the Scroll Bar. Select the little

    square, hold it down and drag it down to the bottom of page. Oh my

    God! It takes a whole second or two to get to the bottom of the post.

    Imagine that!

     

    Hint: The English language is designed to be read left to right and

    top to bottom. Why do clueless Microsoft fanboys insist on being

    idiots and demand people read whatever crap they posted BEFORE reading

    what you are replying to?

     

    Damn, dumb doesn't come close to describing arrogant top posters that

    always think just what THEY say is important and deserves to be at the

    top.

     

    Why is bottom posting the correct way? Because you never know when

    somebody is NEW to the thread. They don't want to ready what some jerk

    posted at the top before they read in CRONGICAL order what others have

    said, including the original post.

     

    Understand yet?

     

    Of course you don't. That's why you're a Bozo.

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    Mike Brannigan wrote:

    > "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    > news:Omsu0X5zHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    >> Bill Yanaire wrote:

    >>> Well now, if you cared about the Microsoft users who post here, you

    >>> would get lost and slither over to the Ubuntu group where you can

    >>> help thousands of lost users who don't know what they are doing with

    >>> that sorry excuse for an OS

    >>

    >> I do and others do too. I am here to spread the word about an OS that

    >> doesn't control you. I won't find anyone who hasn't heard about Ubuntu

    >> on the Ubuntu news group. Am I getting too logical for you?

    >>

    >> So, when a newbie finds out about activation, genuinizing, DRM, BSOD,

    >> etc. I am here to helpfully guide them to a real OS.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    > Which is entire Off Topic for this peer to peer support newsgroup.

    > If your purpose is not to provide help and assistance ON Windows Vista

    > (which by your admission it is not as your mission is to redirect them

    > to another product) then you should not be participating in this newsgroup.

    > Users make their own purchasing decisions and when they have a problem

    > with that product they want help on it not others telling that they

    > should have bought this or that.

    > By all means go advertise your product in other advocacy newsgroups or

    > none product specific newsgroups etc but you should not be posting

    > adverts for other products here. Either help with the product this

    > group is focused on or refrain from posting.

    >

    > Think of this as akin to a Ford dealer sitting in the service area of

    > the local Dodge dealer and telling anyone who walks in to ask a question

    > about their car or has a problem with it, that they should go down the

    > road to your dealership and products. Frankly you would be taken out

    > the back by a couple of pipe wrench wielding mechanics and shown the

    > error of your ways where as in here all we can do is politely ask you

    > to refrain from your none productive actions.

     

    Yawn. You do what you want to do and I will do what I want to do.

     

    Alias

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    Richard Urban wrote:

    > If you used Vista you may be able to see youtube videos in Vista.

    >

    > You are using Linsux.

    >

     

    You Tube works just fine in Ubuntu.

     

    Alias

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    "Adam Albright" complained...

    > Hint: The English language is designed to be read left to right and

    > top to bottom. Why do clueless Microsoft fanboys insist on being

    > idiots and demand people read whatever crap they posted BEFORE reading

    > what you are replying to?

    >

    > Damn, dumb doesn't come close to describing arrogant top posters that

    > always think just what THEY say is important and deserves to be at the

    > top.

    >

    > Why is bottom posting the correct way? Because you never know when

    > somebody is NEW to the thread. They don't want to ready what some jerk

    > posted at the top before they read in CRONGICAL order what others have

    > said, including the original post.

    >

     

    Yes and no. A lot of self-help newsgroups are mostly Q&A, not

    conversational. People come here to find an answer to the problem named in

    the topic title, so finding info first is what they want. All these long

    heated debates are useless to anyone needing a quick fix to, say, making

    another mail client the 'mailto' default. When everything works fine

    'except' then they don't care about whatever else was said, they want to

    find what they need fast. The only people that really take time to read the

    rest of this junk are the idiots that live here. -)

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