Re: So help save Windows XP

 

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23RDYdwxzIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Canuck57 wrote:

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:OanuuEkzIHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Too late:

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx

>>

>> What a line of feltercarb.

>>

>> MS wants people to repurchase an OS ever three years or so. It helps

>> revenue to make the next billions for Bill, Steve and crew. It does not

>> have to be good, even if you don't need it because we are good.

>>

>> See, I summarized pages of hard sell and filler into three sentences.

>

> Last time I checked, MS was a corporation based in a capitalist nation &

> world.

 

Agreed, but people want a more stable, inexpensive open product. Microsoft

sure isn't inexpensive and nor open.

 

Sounds like PC professor. "My product is so good, please by my product?".

People are on to this. Any business model has to adjust, Microsoft just

doesn't get it yet.

 

People will buy what they perceive will work for them. The word on Vista is

out. That is why alternative devices and stuff like Eee PC are sailing out

the doors, often with Linux too. Think, the almighty Microsoft didn't

anticipate the small appliance PC.

"Hadron" <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in message

news:g33t7v$fto$2@registered.motzarella.org...

>> Amazon seems to have trouble keeping the Eee PC Linux ones in stock,

>> maybe

>> Asus underestimated Linux? At least in that venue Linux makes it top

>> list

>> more than XP for the Eee PC, go figure.

>

> No. They underestimated the EEE. Most people who buy one have NO idea it

> has Linux on it.

 

XP versions seem to be in stock, lower down the popular list.

 

But that is my point. On emergin popular growth system Linux is doing quite

well.

>> Can't see the writing? Big, fat, expensive bloated low compatibility

>> operating systems are generally on the way out. Except for high end

>> Apple

>> Macs, which too record increased sales.

>

> You mean the one here which is predicted to START at outselling Linux by

> 3:2? Are you really this dim?

 

Nope, not dim. I would not hazard a guess if Linux will outsell Mac or the

other way around. Will predict, collectively they will erode MS-Windows

market share.

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

> news:upKYldyzIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>> Well, I hope they put a mechanism in place to do this and to replace lost

>> OEM keys with legit retail keys (I don't mean for nothing of course)

>> because if they do not the customer may well say "Okay, next time I buy an

>> Apple".

>

> LOL. Just listened to this latest Apple/Vista ad.

>

> http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

>

>

>

 

 

Well, my family had Fords for years and I had a couple of them myself,

but after repeatedly fixing recurring problems I decided to go back to

cars that I'd had no troubles with, GM and Chrysler. I will not go back

to Ford for smaller cars ever, although I think their bigger models may

be tolerable. There is no real login in this, I am sure for example that

the new Ford powered Jaguars are much more reliable than the V12s were,

but you know, when people get annoyed with a brand there is no place for

logic...

 

But as PA Bear pointed out MS are mostly interested in Business users...

well what business needs is reliability not more expense and unnecessary

glitz, and many businesses can how use terminal services to do what they

want so don't need PCs as much if at all. The big advantage Windows has

over Linux and MAC is games, for those you do need a complete PC.

 

Our local hospital has XP all over the place, but the machines are

actually running a terminal program so those copies of XP are not needed

really, a thin client will do and it less easy to damage or steal

private info from :)

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>

> Lots of Win9x users have been and are hosed.

 

Only the ignorant ones when you consider that Win9x can be installed

with any Win9x media and any product key.

 

Alias

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> Canuck57 wrote:

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:OanuuEkzIHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Too late:

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx

>>

>> What a line of feltercarb.

>>

>> MS wants people to repurchase an OS ever three years or so. It helps

>> revenue to make the next billions for Bill, Steve and crew. It does not

>> have to be good, even if you don't need it because we are good.

>>

>> See, I summarized pages of hard sell and filler into three sentences.

>

> Last time I checked, MS was a corporation based in a capitalist nation &

> world.

 

Last time I checked, good public relations and services with one's

customers are a part of a good capitalist equation, something MS and its

ilk is ignoring due to their de facto monopoly which, thankfully, is

being destroyed by Vista and MS' obvious disdain for its paying customers.

 

Alias

RE: So help save Windows XP

 

XP= Good Riddance

 

"cheley_bonstell88@live.com" wrote:

>

> So help save Windows XP

>

> On Jun 13, 8:52 pm, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:

> > XP Death Watch

> >

> > http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-...

> >

> > Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains

> > the most-used version of Windows. The newest data from Web metrics

> > vendor Net Applications, for example,

> > pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went

> > online last month,

> >

> > five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista.

> >

> > Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important.

> >

> > According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit

> > retailers and OEMs to sell

> > the nearly seven-year-old operating system.

> >

> > [ Make your voice heard. Sign InfoWorld's 'Save Windows XP' petition

> > today. ]

> >

> > http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

> >

> > You'll have questions as that date approaches,

> >

> > including whether the deadline will drive up prices (gouging,

> > anyone?)

> >

> > we plan to have the answers, starting with this FAQ and continuing

> > through the end of next month.

> >

> > How long until Microsoft shuts off the XP spigot? Five weeks from

> > today is the last day Microsoft

> >

> > will officially allow retailers to sell the old operating system, and

> > let major computer makers

> > --

> > called "OEMs," for "original equipment manufacturers" -- to sell PCs

> > with XP pre-installed.

> >

> > Monday, June 30, is the EOL, or End-Of-Life, a term Dell, not

> > Microsoft, has publicly used,

> > for XP's retail and OEM availability.

> >

> > So what's the June 18 date I've heard about? That's the day that Dell

> > has said is the last

> >

> > possible day for its customers to buy a machine running Windows XP.

> > "To meet Microsoft's

> >

> > June 30 last-day-to-ship OEM Windows XP deadline,

> >

> > June 18 is the last time to purchase a Dell laptop, desktop, or

> > workstation

> >

> > with an OEM Windows XP license"

> >

> > , Dell says on its Web site.

> >

> > http://www.dell.com

>

>

Clear Windows wrote:

> He (Hayden Kirk) is stupid....

>

> I could recommend a hummer jeep for everyone, but the extra cost makes

> no sense for people in the city...

> Sure it could travel any terrain but at what cost?

>

 

First, Jeeps and Hummers are two different vehicles, produced buy two

different companies. And second, for inner city use, well parking

opportunities are unlimited for them, which by the way is the biggest

issue autos have there. So, it would seem, Hayden Kirk isn't the the

stupid one.

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, cheley_bonstell88@live.com

<cheley_bonstell88@live.com>

wrote

on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT)

<faece5ed-1ea8-4632-a10c-dd7af1c2c9b7@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>

> So help save Windows XP

>

> On Jun 13, 8:52 pm, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:

>> XP Death Watch

>>

>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-...

>>

>> Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains

>> the most-used version of  Windows. The newest data from Web metrics

>> vendor Net Applications, for example,

>> pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went

>> online last month,

 

[rest snipped]

 

I've got a far better idea, methinks...though it's nowhere

near finished yet.

 

http://www.reactos.org/

 

Apparently it's good enough to run Unreal Tournament, though I

for one have had difficulties on my setup mostly because I

multiboot, and the base system isn't quite bright enough to

figure out anything other than a single primary partition.

The main homepage does state clearly that

 

Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.4 is still in

alpha stage, meaning it is not feature complete and

is not recommended for everyday use.

 

so caveat user.

 

I have been able to run the LiveDisc using QEMU that's

probably the easiest way to try it.

 

Another, more polished solution is

 

http://www.winehq.org/

 

which is a far different kettle of fish. ReactOS basically

boots from the BIOS much like any other system, whereas WinE

runs on top of an already existing Linux or FreeBSD solution.

(It might even run on Windows, strange as that sounds.)

 

A third solution is commercial in nature:

 

http://www.vmware.com/

 

and is mostly for the purposes of encapsulating Windows XP

in its own little sandbox -- or ReactOS or a live distro

under test.

 

And for completeness:

 

http://www.freedos.org/

 

which isn't Windows but shows that DOS just won't die. -)

 

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Re: So help save Windows XP

 

On Jun 16, 2:27 pm, The Ghost In The Machine

<ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, cheley_bonstel...@live.com

> <cheley_bonstel...@live.com>

>  wrote

> on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT)

> <faece5ed-1ea8-4632-a10c-dd7af1c2c...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>

>

>

> > So help save Windows XP

>

> > On Jun 13, 8:52 pm, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:

> >> XP Death Watch

>

> >>http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-....

>

> >> Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains

> >> the most-used version of  Windows. The newest data from Web metrics

> >> vendor Net Applications, for example,

> >> pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went

> >> online last month,

>

> [rest snipped]

>

> I've got a far better idea, methinks...though it's nowhere

> near finished yet.

>

> http://www.reactos.org/

>

> Apparently it's good enough to run Unreal Tournament, though I

> for one have had difficulties on my setup mostly because I

> multiboot, and the base system isn't quite bright enough to

> figure out anything other than a single primary partition.

> The main homepage does state clearly that

>

>     Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.4 is still in

>     alpha stage, meaning it is not feature complete and

>     is not recommended for everyday use.

>

> so caveat user.

>

> I have been able to run the LiveDisc using QEMU that's

> probably the easiest way to try it.

>

> Another, more polished solution is

>

> http://www.winehq.org/

>

> which is a far different kettle of fish.  ReactOS basically

> boots from the BIOS much like any other system, whereas WinE

> runs on top of an already existing Linux or FreeBSD solution.

> (It might even run on Windows, strange as that sounds.)

>

> A third solution is commercial in nature:

>

> http://www.vmware.com/

>

> and is mostly for the purposes of encapsulating Windows XP

> in its own little sandbox -- or ReactOS or a live distro

> under test.

>

> And for completeness:

>

> http://www.freedos.org/

>

> which isn't Windows but shows that DOS just won't die. -)

>

> --

> #191, ewi...@earthlink.net

> "Woman?  What woman?"

> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

 

Ghost

Thanks for the link to ReactOS , among others, it looks promising

 

http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ

 

Meanwhile, got a New " Ghosted 160 Gig HD for my XP box, Put in 1 Gig

Mem,

New 256 MB Video card

 

and have Ubuntu GG on the other partition

 

- Which is pretty Amazing

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:01:37 -0700 (PDT), cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:

> On Jun 16, 2:27 pm, The Ghost In The Machine

> <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:

>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, cheley_bonstel...@live.com

>> <cheley_bonstel...@live.com>

>>  wrote

>> on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:40:08 -0700 (PDT)

>> <faece5ed-1ea8-4632-a10c-dd7af1c2c...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>>

>>

>>

>>> So help save Windows XP

>>

>>> On Jun 13, 8:52 pm, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:

>>>> XP Death Watch

>>

>>>>http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-...

>>

>>>> Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains

>>>> the most-used version of  Windows. The newest data from Web metrics

>>>> vendor Net Applications, for example,

>>>> pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went

>>>> online last month,

>>

>> [rest snipped]

>>

>> I've got a far better idea, methinks...though it's nowhere

>> near finished yet.

>>

>> http://www.reactos.org/

>>

>> Apparently it's good enough to run Unreal Tournament, though I

>> for one have had difficulties on my setup mostly because I

>> multiboot, and the base system isn't quite bright enough to

>> figure out anything other than a single primary partition.

>> The main homepage does state clearly that

>>

>>     Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.4 is still in

>>     alpha stage, meaning it is not feature complete and

>>     is not recommended for everyday use.

>>

>> so caveat user.

>>

>> I have been able to run the LiveDisc using QEMU that's

>> probably the easiest way to try it.

>>

>> Another, more polished solution is

>>

>> http://www.winehq.org/

>>

>> which is a far different kettle of fish.  ReactOS basically

>> boots from the BIOS much like any other system, whereas WinE

>> runs on top of an already existing Linux or FreeBSD solution.

>> (It might even run on Windows, strange as that sounds.)

>>

>> A third solution is commercial in nature:

>>

>> http://www.vmware.com/

>>

>> and is mostly for the purposes of encapsulating Windows XP

>> in its own little sandbox -- or ReactOS or a live distro

>> under test.

>>

>> And for completeness:

>>

>> http://www.freedos.org/

>>

>> which isn't Windows but shows that DOS just won't die. -)

>>

>> --

>> #191, ewi...@earthlink.net

>> "Woman?  What woman?"

>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

>

> Ghost

> Thanks for the link to ReactOS , among others, it looks promising

 

That's what the Linux loons have been saying about Linux for the past 10+

years.

 

It ain't happened yet.

 

>

> Meanwhile, got a New " Ghosted 160 Gig HD for my XP box, Put in 1 Gig

> Mem,

> New 256 MB Video card

 

Wow!

State of the art man!

You sure your name isn't kelsey?

 

> and have Ubuntu GG on the other partition

>

> - Which is pretty Amazing

 

Whatever floats your boat...

Do they have Quicken for ReactOS?

 

How about Photoshop?

 

 

 

--

Moshe Goldfarb

Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> Canuck57 wrote:

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:OanuuEkzIHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Too late:

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx

>>

>> What a line of feltercarb.

>>

>> MS wants people to repurchase an OS ever three years or so. It helps

>> revenue to make the next billions for Bill, Steve and crew. It does not

>> have to be good, even if you don't need it because we are good.

>>

>> See, I summarized pages of hard sell and filler into three sentences.

>

> Last time I checked, MS was a corporation based in a capitalist nation &

> world.

 

Last time I checked, holding your paying customers in total disdain like

MS does is not good for a capitalistic corporation and will affect the

bottom line.

 

Alias

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

Alias wrote:

 

>>

>> Last time I checked, MS was a corporation based in a capitalist nation

>> & world.

>

>

> Last time I checked, holding your paying customers in total disdain like

> MS does is not good for a capitalistic corporation and will affect the

> bottom line.

>---------------------------------------------------

 

They only hold liars and thieves like you in disdain.

Frank

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

**::-Alias-::** wrote:

 

I am Alias: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/rurruee/RIKARDIN.jpg

Re: So help save Windows XP

 

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, bluefin

<desertcamel.chen@gmail.com>

wrote

on Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT)

<12a07bf3-240d-4525-b46e-6d81b8eaa5ea@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

> When the last days of XP (Jun 30th, 2008) reaches to the verge of

> trash bin, many are reluctant to bid good bye. So it is time for

> Vista. Look forward to these newsgroups:

> microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup,

> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

 

Incomplete. Extended support will be available for some time.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/support/default.mspx

http://blogs.technet.com/lifecycle/archive/2008/04/25/what-s-happening-to-windows-xp-on-june-30th.aspx

 

Basically, after June 30, XP will no longer be sold, but it will

be supported for some time after.

 

Presumably, XP support will be completely dumped when the next

major release of Windows comes out.

 

[rest snipped]

 

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Re: So help save Windows XP

 

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:20:11 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, bluefin

> <desertcamel.chen@gmail.com>

> wrote

> on Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT)

> <12a07bf3-240d-4525-b46e-6d81b8eaa5ea@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

>> When the last days of XP (Jun 30th, 2008) reaches to the verge of trash

>> bin, many are reluctant to bid good bye. So it is time for Vista. Look

>> forward to these newsgroups:

>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup,

>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

>

> Incomplete. Extended support will be available for some time.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/support/default.mspx

> http://blogs.technet.com/lifecycle/archive/2008/04/25/what-s-happening-

to-windows-xp-on-june-30th.aspx

>

> Basically, after June 30, XP will no longer be sold, but it will be

> supported for some time after.

 

... but it will continue to be installed....

>

> Presumably, XP support will be completely dumped when the next major

> release of Windows comes out.

>

> [rest snipped]

 

 

--

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Re: So help save Windows XP

 

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Rick

<none@nomail.com>

wrote

on Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:25:07 -0500

<Z-2dnXFgfrGOvsbVnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@supernews.com>:

> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:20:11 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>

>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, bluefin

>> <desertcamel.chen@gmail.com>

>> wrote

>> on Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT)

>> <12a07bf3-240d-4525-b46e-6d81b8eaa5ea@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

>>> When the last days of XP (Jun 30th, 2008) reaches to the verge of trash

>>> bin, many are reluctant to bid good bye. So it is time for Vista. Look

>>> forward to these newsgroups:

>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup,

>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

>>

>> Incomplete. Extended support will be available for some time.

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/support/default.mspx

>> http://blogs.technet.com/lifecycle/archive/2008/04/25/what-s-happening-

> to-windows-xp-on-june-30th.aspx

>>

>> Basically, after June 30, XP will no longer be sold, but it will be

>> supported for some time after.

>

> .. but it will continue to be installed....

 

I wouldn't doubt it. I prefer other OSes, of course. -)

>

>>

>> Presumably, XP support will be completely dumped when the next major

>> release of Windows comes out.

>>

>> [rest snipped]

>

 

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