"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message

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> On 2008-05-23, Moshe. Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/

>

> Apple users commenting about anything Unix is probably bound to

> generate nothing but a lot of nonsesene...

>

>>

>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want

>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're

>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term)

>> and

>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly

>> software."

>>

>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely

>> useless

>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and

>> assume

>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up

>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing

>> on

>> it whole day long."

>>

>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it

>> has

>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source

>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to

>> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result is a cornucopia

>> of

>> free software, software that has been developed at the expense of the

>> hard

>> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on the planet, and

>> yet

>> does not have a single product that is complete in and of itself and is

>> generating any profit at all."

>

> So? That's not the point.

>

> Although the claim is highly debatable.

>

> Linux does very well in places that MacOS is never seen.

>

 

Wow! I just have to sit here and marvel at this statement. (Slade

marveling a lot) It's a very accurate statement in this newsgroup that

mostly consists of ignorance and mudslinging.

 

Linux is great for the enterprise market. It's stable, powerful and

versitile. It just doesn't catch on in the home user market right now. I

hope that will change so more professional software from the big companies

will come out for it. Also it should get more press than it does.

>>

>> " There is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers sitting in

>> front

>> of their computers in different corners of the world and spending only

>> their non-working hours trying to develop something that they know isn't

>> going to make them any money, are ever going to come up with anything

>> good

>

> This is an obvious fallacy of course.

>

> Besides, who proved that money necessarily equals better software. In

> general, it is the true professionals rather than the mercenaries that

> make the better product. They are the ones more concerned about

> excellence versus profit.

 

You know I heard this from a lot of Mac users over the years. They

will tell you that quality is better than quality.

 

John

"John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> stated in post

C4ZZj.443$Ri.376@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com on 5/24/08 11:26 AM:

> Wow! I just have to sit here and marvel at this statement. (Slade

> marveling a lot) It's a very accurate statement in this newsgroup that

> mostly consists of ignorance and mudslinging.

>

> Linux is great for the enterprise market. It's stable, powerful and

> versitile. It just doesn't catch on in the home user market right now. I

> hope that will change so more professional software from the big companies

> will come out for it. Also it should get more press than it does.

 

Would also help if it had a user interface that was not pretty horribly

fractured... thus making it harder to learn and harder to work with even for

people who know it well.

 

 

--

What do you call people who are afraid of Santa Claus? Claustrophobic.

"Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux users are

> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around. They have

> debates in their own community with twenty different users vouching for

> twenty different variations.

 

And how is this different with Unix oh I mean OS X which is a Unix

distribution. So I guess that Mac users are saying the OS X(Darwin)

distribution of Unix is better than BSD or Solaris. The person who made the

satements above lacks knowledge of what Linux, Unix and OS X are. How does

an cluless person like this get a job writing articles. Oh wait let's take a

loot at the Author's bio and laugh.

 

"

Aayush Arya's Profile

At the tender age of nineteen, Aayush Arya is the youngest and newest kid on

the block. After having used Windows for about five years and trying several

Linux distros, he finally bought a 17-inch MacBook Pro a year and a half ago

and has now become a convert. Known as the "tech genius" among his family

and friends, he's always had a passion for technology, and particularly

software. He is currently enrolled in a bachelor course in his country,

India, and hopes to successfully graduate one day."

 

Focus on, and laugh loudly at the part where it says, "Known as the

"tech genius" among his family and friends". Now laugh harder at where it

says he's 19. Now think about this what credible news or trade magazine

would hire a 19 year old kid to write main articles? This kid doesn't know

that OS X is a Unix distro. And he's lambasting Linux users for debating

what distro is better. I tell you what I think, this is a web site, there

are many many web sites. The good thing about this is anyone can have a web

page, the bad thing about it is that anyone can have a web page. This poorly

written article is indicative of the drivel we get on the Internet these

days. Anyone who can hire web designer or design themselves can fool silly

users into thinking they have some great knowledge of the subject matter.

Well here, this web stite "Apple Matters" is letting kids write articles who

haven't used computers more than ten years, write articles.

 

I give the kid some credit, he got at least one other clueless person

to parrot his clueless rantings about computers.

 

To be a journalist, a real journalist, one must do research and have

some training or you won't be a very good journalist.

 

 

 

John

In article <69o5njF349gvlU1@mid.individual.net>,

Mike P <privacy@privacy.net> wrote:

>

>in the heavily audited and regulated world of pharmaceuticals, all our

>departments worldwide share data, everything has to be compatible at all

>times. That won't happen if we rollout Linux to the business slowly now will

 

Why not? Wouldn't part of your rollout strategy include

compatibility verification? Are you assuming that a linux based

solution us incapable of compatibility without testing it?

>If we now have machines running Linux and throw them into the mix, we'd have

>nothing but problems

 

You should try it before you assert your conclusion :-)

>yes, they'd love to give me millions of dollars to waste on something we

>don't need, make it essential to train all our staff on a load of new apps

>(do you know how much IT training costs here in the UK?) . Wed

>

The decision to undertake a project isn't based solely on

cost but also on the expected return. Constant Microsoft upgrades

and product training (yes, product training. How do *your* users

feel about Office 2007? What did YOUR administrators do when first

faced with Active Directory?) produce effectively zero return. Moving

to a more stable and controllable platform would itself produce a net

positive.

>

>making a decision to switch to Linux would be corporate suicide

 

What makes you say that?

"John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> stated in post

BkZZj.448$Ri.250@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com on 5/24/08 11:43 AM:

>

> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...

>> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux users are

>> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around. They have

>> debates in their own community with twenty different users vouching for

>> twenty different variations.

>

> And how is this different with Unix oh I mean OS X which is a Unix

> distribution.

 

As far as the consumer is concerned there is one OS X. One. Sure, there

are different "distros" for different languages and a server "distro", but

for the general consumer that is irrelevant.

 

You are tying to tie OS X to the rest of the Unix world - and while this

makes sense in some context (OS X is a certified Unix after all) in the

context of consumer confusion it is 100% irrelevant or close enough to not

really matter.

> So I guess that Mac users are saying the OS X(Darwin) distribution of Unix is

> better than BSD or Solaris. The person who made the satements above lacks

> knowledge of what Linux, Unix and OS X are. How does an cluless person like

> this get a job writing articles. Oh wait let's take a loot at the Author's bio

> and laugh.

 

Well, other than the fact that your basic premise of OS X being confused in

the consumer mind with other Unix variants is utter rubbish. You recently

(and again) belittled my technical knowledge via spewing complete and utter

lies about me (in regards to backups, etc.) Well, you, John Slade, have

just proved (again) how little you understand about the very market you

claim to be closely tied to.

 

OS X being confused with other Unix variants in the mind of the consumer...

get real, John. Get real and get a clue.

 

....

> To be a journalist, a real journalist, one must do research and have

> some training or you won't be a very good journalist.

 

To run a computer store one should know better than you do. Period.

 

 

 

--

I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please

everyone. -- Bill Cosby

In article <BkZZj.448$Ri.250@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>,

"John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:

> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...

> > " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux

> > users are never quite sure which one is the best distribution

> > around. They have debates in their own community with twenty

> > different users vouching for twenty different variations.

>

> And how is this different with Unix oh I mean OS X which is a Unix

> distribution. So I guess that Mac users are saying the OS X(Darwin)

> distribution of Unix is better than BSD or Solaris. The person who

> made the satements above lacks knowledge of what Linux, Unix and OS X

> are.

 

People who use OS X decided to be Mac users. They didn't (with a few

very rare exceptions) decide to be Unix users and then try to figure

out what Unix to use, eventually settling on OS X. So, the problem

described above is not at all relevant to OS X.

 

[snip]

 

--

"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming

out any other way."

                        --George W. Bush in Martinsburg, W. Va., July 4, 2007

Moshe. Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/

>

> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want

> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're

> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term) and

> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly

> software."

 

Wrong. I want the best that isn't offered by Big Business, which is

increasingly catering to other Big Business and Big Government, and not

to my needs and desires for efficiency, privacy and security.

 

 

--

regards , Peter B. P. http://macplanet.dk

Washington D.C.: District of Criminals

 

"I dont drink anymore... of course, i don't drink any less, either!

On Sat, 24 May 2008 14:26:15 -0400, John Slade wrote:

> They will tell you that quality is better than quality.

 

huh?

Hobbes wrote:

> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

 

LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

"Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message

news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...

> Hobbes wrote:

>

>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

>

> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

>

 

That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.

It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux instead, I

don't care.

It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and coupon

cutting grannies something in common.

You all cream over free stuff.

Hobbes wrote:

>

> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message

> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...

>> Hobbes wrote:

>>

>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

>>

>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

>>

>

> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.

> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux instead, I

> don't care.

> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and coupon

> cutting grannies something in common.

> You all cream over free stuff.

>

 

Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,

coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they are

talking about? Hint: it's door three.

 

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Hobbes wrote:

>>

>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message

>> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...

>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>

>>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

>>>

>>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

>>>

>>

>> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.

>> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux instead, I

>> don't care.

>> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and coupon

>> cutting grannies something in common.

>> You all cream over free stuff.

>>

>

> Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,

> coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they are

> talking about? Hint: it's door three.

 

> Alias

 

Air is not free...there is a cost in energy expenditure to my body.

I have to feed my body with fuel from a grocery store to continue breathing.

 

I do know what I am talking about.

Linux wasn't exactly free for me, it was a waste of valuable time.

A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is $1300.

Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The monitors are

LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.

 

"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

news:g1blhf$6b6$3@aioe.org...

> Hobbes wrote:

>>

>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message

>> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...

>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>

>>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

>>>

>>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

>>>

>>

>> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.

>> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux instead, I

>> don't care.

>> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and coupon

>> cutting grannies something in common.

>> You all cream over free stuff.

>>

>

> Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,

> coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they are

> talking about? Hint: it's door three.

>

> Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

news:g1blhf$6b6$3@aioe.org...

> Hobbes wrote:

>>

>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message

>> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...

>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>

>>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

>>>

>>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

>>>

>>

>> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.

>> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux instead, I

>> don't care.

>> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and coupon

>> cutting grannies something in common.

>> You all cream over free stuff.

>>

>

> Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,

> coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they are

> talking about? Hint: it's door three.

>

> Alias

 

And Vista is almost free.

I've used it everyday for 15 months.

That now averages $.36 a day.

Money well spent, I'd say.

 

That free stuff waste time...which is far more valuable than a couple

hundred bucks.

bobby wrote:

> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is

> $1300. Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The

> monitors are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.

 

Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA, WGA,

DRM and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.

 

Alias

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:g1blhf$6b6$3@aioe.org...

>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>

>>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message

>>> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...

>>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

>>>>

>>>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

>>>>

>>>

>>> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.

>>> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux instead, I

>>> don't care.

>>> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and coupon

>>> cutting grannies something in common.

>>> You all cream over free stuff.

>>>

>>

>> Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,

>> coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they

>> are talking about? Hint: it's door three.

>>

>> Alias

>

Alias wrote:

> bobby wrote:

>

>> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is

>> $1300. Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The

>> monitors are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.

>

>

> Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA, WGA,

> DRM and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.

>

> Alias

>

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:g1blhf$6b6$3@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message

>>>> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...

>>>>

>>>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.

>>>> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux

>>>> instead, I

>>>> don't care.

>>>> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and

>>>> coupon

>>>> cutting grannies something in common.

>>>> You all cream over free stuff.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,

>>> coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they

>>> are talking about? Hint: it's door three.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

I bet you've got an infected linux box...LOL!

Frank

"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

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> bobby wrote:

>> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is $1300.

>> Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The monitors

>> are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.

>

> Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA, WGA,

> DRM and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.

>

 

Just like ubuntu but alias *chooses* to deny it.

http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2

Alias is un-trustworthy and any advice he gives should be disregarded.

He does not wish to learn, only to antagonise and give people false

information.

Alias wrote:

> bobby wrote:

>

>> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is

>> $1300. Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The

>> monitors are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.

>

>

> Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA, WGA,

> DRM...

 

Translation: alias can no longer steal from artist or MS!

 

...and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.

 

Just another one of his fukkin lies!

Frank

--

Hobbes

Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

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>

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:g1brj4$uli$3@aioe.org...

>> bobby wrote:

>>> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is

>>> $1300. Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The

>>> monitors are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.

>>

>> Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA, WGA,

>> DRM and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.

>>

>

> Just like ubuntu but alias *chooses* to deny it.

> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2

> Alias is un-trustworthy and any advice he gives should be disregarded.

> He does not wish to learn, only to antagonise and give people false

> information.

>

>

>

>

 

That is my take on him.

If MS went out of business, he would dislike Redhat, or Apple.

He stands against what ever tide pushes him.

dennis@home wrote:

>

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:g1brj4$uli$3@aioe.org...

>> bobby wrote:

>>> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is

>>> $1300. Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The

>>> monitors are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.

>>

>> Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA,

>> WGA, DRM and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.

>>

>

> Just like ubuntu but alias *chooses* to deny it.

> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2

> Alias is un-trustworthy and any advice he gives should be disregarded.

> He does not wish to learn, only to antagonise and give people false

> information.

>

 

It's been patched long ago but you are still harping on it like it's

still a vulnerability. You get ONE vulnerability in the two years I've

had Ubuntu and you act like it's a big deal, which, of course, it isn't.

 

Now, about the WGA/WPA/DRM trip in Vista? Care to address that?

 

Alias

Hobbes wrote:

>

>

 

That is my take on him.

If MS went out of business, he would dislike Redhat, or Apple.

He stands against what ever tide pushes him. <<<<

 

I use XP every day. Oops. Vista, OTOH, sucks, so I don't use it. I don't

consider software or software companies a "cause" or "religion". The

only thing I hate is hatred. I like Ubuntu for many reasons but as a

cause or religion, you've gotta be kidding it's only an operating

system. XP is good for some things. Ubuntu is good for other things. I

have one computer to my left with Windows and another to my right with

Ubuntu. It's called having the best of both worlds. Why the likes of

you, Frank and Bill Yawnair have a hissy fit about it is your problem.

 

Alias

"Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 24 May 2008 14:26:15 -0400, John Slade wrote:

>> They will tell you that quality is better than quality.

>

> huh?

>

likewise

Micoshaft fraudster and asstroturfer Moshe. Goldfarb wrote on behalf of Half

Wits from Micoshaft Corporation:

>

> h

 

Simply untrue lies printed by micoshaft fraudsters

on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation marketing department.

 

There are 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.

There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.

Thats a lot of people who care.

 

What about WINDUMMIES?

 

WINDUMMIES CAN now get the sack for using micoshaft products!

 

Anyone caught using IE and other strange software to browse

or log into online services to download viruses, trojans, malware,

crapware, spyware, botnetware are all sackable.

It s in many companys' terms and conditions of employment.

 

Easy solution: Change everyone over to Firefox and Linux.

Being in charge ahead of disruptions and grabbing the bull by

the horn is essential part of running a business.

 

WINDUMMY OSen is now unrepairable. More viruses, trojans, spyware,

botnetware and malware are released per day than all the Micoshaft, its

partners, and  anti-virus companies and their engineers can release fixes.

 

The micoshaft platform is un-repairable.

You can and SHOULD get sacked for installing Micoshaft products in secure

internet facing, banking and government applications.

 

Time to move everything over to Linux to protect company assets, banks

and government assets.

 

ATILLA THE HUN SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT SAYS:

 

IT management with strong stomach should experiment with deleting

veteran WINDUMMY PCs and watch the fallout.

Laugh as your enemies cringe, genuflect and shrieek about you.

Move everything to Linux.

Deploy standby developers to port applications and write applets.

Take notes and re-apply experiences to next person on the list.

 

 

http://www.livecdlist.com

http://www.distrowatch.com

Hobbes wrote:

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:g16p85$98d$2@aioe.org...

>> Hobbes wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Hobbes wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:g165o2$ub2$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>> Mike P wrote:

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:g16382$8rt$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:

>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:g15vm4$8kk$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>> Moshe. Goldfarb wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the

>>>>>>>>>>> sort who want

>>>>>>>>>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are

>>>>>>>>>>> those who're

>>>>>>>>>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the

>>>>>>>>>>> short term) and

>>>>>>>>>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free,

>>>>>>>>>>> particularly

>>>>>>>>>>> software."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and

>>>>>>>>>>> completely useless

>>>>>>>>>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency,

>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) and assume

>>>>>>>>>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so

>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetically made-up

>>>>>>>>>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can

>>>>>>>>>>> keep typing on

>>>>>>>>>>> it whole day long."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any

>>>>>>>>>>> community, it has

>>>>>>>>>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the

>>>>>>>>>>> open source

>>>>>>>>>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try

>>>>>>>>>>> and cater to

>>>>>>>>>>> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result is a

>>>>>>>>>>> cornucopia of

>>>>>>>>>>> free software, software that has been developed at the

>>>>>>>>>>> expense of the hard

>>>>>>>>>>> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on the

>>>>>>>>>>> planet, and yet

>>>>>>>>>>> does not have a single product that is complete in and of

>>>>>>>>>>> itself and is

>>>>>>>>>>> generating any profit at all."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " There is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers

>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in front

>>>>>>>>>>> of their computers in different corners of the world and

>>>>>>>>>>> spending only

>>>>>>>>>>> their non-working hours trying to develop something that they

>>>>>>>>>>> know isn't

>>>>>>>>>>> going to make them any money, are ever going to come up with

>>>>>>>>>>> anything good

>>>>>>>>>>> enough to seriously challenge software from companies like

>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft and

>>>>>>>>>>> Apple. There is just no chance at all."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " Linux has been around for more than a decade now and it's

>>>>>>>>>>> nowhere near

>>>>>>>>>>> challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast majority of

>>>>>>>>>>> hardware and

>>>>>>>>>>> software makers around the world are still shipping products

>>>>>>>>>>> that are

>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible with Linux."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " There's no guarantee that the camera you bought today and

>>>>>>>>>>> is compatible

>>>>>>>>>>> with your Ubuntu installation will work with Fedora Core too

>>>>>>>>>>> should you

>>>>>>>>>>> change your mind in a few days, as is a common practice among

>>>>>>>>>>> the Linux

>>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasts."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux.

>>>>>>>>>>> Linux users are

>>>>>>>>>>> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around.

>>>>>>>>>>> They have

>>>>>>>>>>> debates in their own community with twenty different users

>>>>>>>>>>> vouching for

>>>>>>>>>>> twenty different variations. They constantly have to keep

>>>>>>>>>>> figuring out

>>>>>>>>>>> workarounds to make all their software and hardware work

>>>>>>>>>>> together. They

>>>>>>>>>>> can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in the

>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge that it

>>>>>>>>>>> will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go wrong."

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> And so forth......

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously this guy has had experience with LinSUX because his

>>>>>>>>>>> article is

>>>>>>>>>>> right on the money....

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Why are you so afraid of Linux, Moshe?

>>>>>>>>> I don't think he is. All the points made in this article are

>>>>>>>>> valid.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Linux won't make it into the mainstream as a business desktop

>>>>>>>>> OS. I'm IT support manager for one of the biggest pharma

>>>>>>>>> companies in the world. There isn't a hope in hell of us ever

>>>>>>>>> going to Linux, mainly because of the reasons stated above but

>>>>>>>>> also we have 40,000 users worldwide. Where would the money come

>>>>>>>>> to retrain them all? Who is going to pay for my staff's time to

>>>>>>>>> rebuild all those machines with Linux on them?

>>>>>>>>> Who's going to pay to retrain all my support staff to use a

>>>>>>>>> totally new OS? What are our customers going to say when the

>>>>>>>>> documents we create and send them don't open or format

>>>>>>>>> correctly on their Windows boxes?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> It'd be like going back to the late 80s when I started in IT.

>>>>>>>>> We had 4 different word processing apps at my first company,

>>>>>>>>> none of which could talk to the other without an add-on and

>>>>>>>>> lots of pissing about.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying Linux is a bad OS, it has it's uses, and I think

>>>>>>>>> if it had the coverage Windows got when Win3 first came out, it

>>>>>>>>> would probably be doing a lot better on the desktop, but it

>>>>>>>>> didn't, and it won't. Saying that, I have 3 linux PCs at home,

>>>>>>>>> and I set my gran up with one running Ubuntu recently, so I'm

>>>>>>>>> not *against* Linux per se.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Face it. I can go out and buy a named brand PC, with an OS for

>>>>>>>>> less than ?300 for our office. I can plug it in, and it just

>>>>>>>>> works when the user logs in. It sees all the servers, the

>>>>>>>>> drives map. It does it perfectly. OK, it's Windoze, but nothing

>>>>>>>>> is perfect. ..

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Mike P

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Let's see, 40,000 workstations with Vista and all need to be

>>>>>>>> trained or 40,000 workstations with Ubuntu and all need to be

>>>>>>>> trained. What's the difference? Vista is expensive, both for the

>>>>>>>> software itself and the upgraded hardware, and Ubuntu is free.

>>>>>>>> If you want your company to stay in the past, don't train them

>>>>>>>> to use Ubuntu and train them to use Vista and fork out the money

>>>>>>>> for new hardware.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses and

>>>>>>>> malware from these Windows workstations.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We don't need to train most users to use Vista, because XP works

>>>>>>> very well and is very stable for our needs. Even if we did, Vista

>>>>>>> isn't expensive for us, has a "familiar" feel to it, and our

>>>>>>> corporate image would be set as we've set XP up so there wouldn't

>>>>>>> be a great deal of change.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We'll only start upgrading once the machines we buy are no

>>>>>>> longer supplied with XP, even then they have a 3 year life cycle

>>>>>>> then are replaced, which is standard practice for corporate IT

>>>>>>> departments. So we won't upgrade until absolutely necessary. It's

>>>>>>> not "staying in the past", it's good business sense to use

>>>>>>> something that works reliably, which contrary to Linux users

>>>>>>> beliefs, Windows does in a corporate environment when set up

>>>>>>> correctly.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We have a lot of in house software written for windoze, and other

>>>>>>> software ( clinical trial software, Drug regulatory software etc

>>>>>>> ) that only works on Windoze.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mike P

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sorry to hear it. What would you do if MS goes out of business?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> What a Linux monkey you are.

>>>>> You're swinging from a dead branch...ya stupid monkey.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Gosh, that sure refuted what I said, NOT!

>>>>

>>>> What is it about MS fanboys and their obsessions with animals?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> What is it with old geezers and their obsession with Linux ?

>>

>> I wouldn't know being as I am not an old geezer and nor am I obsessed

>> with Linux. Now, why are you obsessed with animals?

>>

>>> Linux just plain sucks ... believe me, I tried Ubuntu.

>>> Formatting it from my hard drive gave me great pleasure.

>>> Wobbly windows indeed ... the whole OS is wobbly.

>>

>> It's not my fault you're too stupid to understand how to use Ubuntu.

>>

>> Alias

>>

>

> I'd be stupid to continue using obsolete software written by what are

> otherwise unemployable hacks.

 

Your unfounded and extremely incorrect opinion.

> Come on !

 

That's what she said.

> Ubuntu is a joke....I just grasped the punch line sooner than you

> eventually will.

 

The joke's on you every time you post.

 

Alias

On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:

> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.

 

No way. Source?