I really like my vista

July 23, 200717 yr

"Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote in message

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> Just wanted to say I really like my vista.

> Since I have installed it, all my hardware works. No crashes, no problems

> at all.

> Just wanted to let people know there are thousands and thousands of us who

> use Vista every day and have little if any problems at all with it. The

> only trick to any OS is making sure you have the correct drivers for what

> ever OS you are running. If you do that you will have no problems at all.

>

> I'm sure that usual trolls will now attack.

>

Bob,

I, too, like Vista. But, hoo-boy, I ain't touching the rest of this thread

with a ten foot pole... yet another opportunity for some folks to cast

aspersions on others and proclaim themselves geniuses and everyone who

disagrees with them either idiots, fanbois, MS apologists, or worse.

Yawn...

Lang

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Because it proves it can work.

Without those for whom it works it could be concluded it is broken for

everyone.

and that would require a different fix.

The fact is works for some suggests the fix is finding the significant

differences in the systems that make the difference from working and

not.

Some of the worst critics do not like that approach and often dismiss

the fact that it works on some systems since it goes against their

bias of the product.

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

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> Why not?

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It is a little balance and helps prove it works.

The fact it works for some proves it can work.

From there the task is finding the significant differences in the

system that casus it not to work on some.

Without positive posts, it could be assumed it it does not work at

all.

Some of the extreme critics hate these posts since they go along way

of proving their extreme positions false.

Your comparison to a TV is not really good since the TV is a complete

system.

The operating system is only one of many components all of which have

to be compatible for the system to work smoothly.

If any of them is off, not just the operating system, the system will

suffer.

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

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>

> I never quite understand these posts. I can understanding liking

> apps, but an OS should just work unnoticed in the background. It's

> sorta like turning on the TV and saying, I really like my

> electricity.

>

> --

>

> When they discover the center of the universe,

> a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it.

>

> ...Bernard Bailey

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> Without positive posts, it could be assumed it it does not work at all.

No worries :)

We all know that there are people who have no problems at all and like it,

and others have little problems but dislike it (I am in this group) and

people who have minor problems but still like it, and finally, people who

have lots of problems and less likely will like it. The mystery is that we

don't know the exact numbers of each group but that's not something I

terribly want to find out.

I found Steve's comment is interesting because I guess what he meant to say

is that OS should be playing as a supporting role (electricity in his

analogy) and its primary function is to support the entire system (TV in his

analogy) and people shouldn't even notice it (if it's working correctly

without problems), so why would anyone feel so strong about it? Note:

Correct me if I am wrong.

I can relate to his analogy because I thought most people rely on

applications and hardware devices for jobs and/or fun.

As a user, my simple logic is like this: benefits sought ->

applications/devices -> platform (hardware/OS) And it's kind of strange

for me as a user to be like this: platform(hardware/OS) ->

applications/devices -> benefits

So, OS is important but it is a supporting role and rarely do I see (excuse

my ignorance) people only using OS for their jobs. And it will be a natural

thing for me to place a higher priority on applications and hardware devices

both in terms of expenditures and whether to keep for the tradeoffs.

But I can understand why geeks, hobbyists, and enthusiasts want to upgrade

to a new OS (even at some costs) and also those need to support it at work.

I can also understand some less experienced users might not be aware of what

are in a new system so they didn't expect what were coming.

What I am still trying to understand and hopefully can learn from here is

why there are some people who are not in the above two groups but want to

upgrade to a new OS at the cost of replacing existing and working

applications and hardware devices?

Just for personal curiosity and learning, no judgments whatsoever.

In any case, I guess that's why he is puzzled by those posts - my

interpretations.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

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> It is a little balance and helps prove it works.

> The fact it works for some proves it can work.

> From there the task is finding the significant differences in the system

> that casus it not to work on some.

>

> Without positive posts, it could be assumed it it does not work at all.

> Some of the extreme critics hate these posts since they go along way of

> proving their extreme positions false.

>

> Your comparison to a TV is not really good since the TV is a complete

> system.

> The operating system is only one of many components all of which have to

> be compatible for the system to work smoothly.

> If any of them is off, not just the operating system, the system will

> suffer.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

> "Steve" <dbn@whc.inv> wrote in message

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>>

>> I never quite understand these posts. I can understanding liking

>> apps, but an OS should just work unnoticed in the background. It's

>> sorta like turning on the TV and saying, I really like my electricity.

>>

>> --

>>

>> When they discover the center of the universe,

>> a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it.

>>

>> ...Bernard Bailey

>

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"Adam Albright" whined...

> Windows is not new. It has been around 21 years. Much of the crud in

> earlier versions of Windows simply got tweaked in Vista. You fanboys

> are a riot. You think Vista is brand new from the ground up. Well

> surprise it's just another remake of NT in many areas of the code.

>

Why am I not surprised? So, if a brand new model GM car is not backwards

compatible with older non-GM replacement parts then you would complain

because GM has been around forever, right? If they keep the same carburator

and alternator, but replace the whole body, frame, engine block and

electrical system with a completely redesigned configuration, is it still

the same car?

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:55:45 -0400, <here@home.again> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" whined...

>> Windows is not new. It has been around 21 years. Much of the crud in

>> earlier versions of Windows simply got tweaked in Vista. You fanboys

>> are a riot. You think Vista is brand new from the ground up. Well

>> surprise it's just another remake of NT in many areas of the code.

>>

>

>Why am I not surprised? So, if a brand new model GM car is not backwards

>compatible with older non-GM replacement parts then you would complain

>because GM has been around forever, right? If they keep the same carburator

>and alternator, but replace the whole body, frame, engine block and

>electrical system with a completely redesigned configuration, is it still

>the same car?

You're babbling.

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"Adam Albright" whined some more...

> When "Drew" asked...

>>Adam...I am really curious to know specifically what is giving your

>>machine

>>a problem ??What programs ??or what files ??

>

> Where did I say I am having problems? I'm REPORTING on a problem many

> people have. There's a difference. Heck, I'm the one that offered two

> fixes for the calculating time remaining issue. The fanboy crowd don't

> like anybody pointing out flaws in Vista. It bugs them so causing them

> to go into one of their typical tirades.

>

> You'll notice the OP ended out with a taunt...

>

> "I'm sure that usual trolls will now attack."

>

> It should be increasingly obvious who the REAL trolls are that hang

> out in this newsgroup. They don't want discussion, they are here to

> defend Microsoft and make excuses for them and they try to shout down

> anybody that stands up to them. Why, you'll have to ask them.

>

> The sad thing about newsgroups like this is they are infested with

> people that love to point their finger. They're usual excuses for

> people having problems are transparent and often bogus.

>

> 1. User's fault.

> 2. A driver issue.

> 3. Outdated hardware.

> 4. Incompatible software.

>

> You'll notice anytime anybody discusses problems obviously exclusive

> to the operating system itself like the calculating time remaining

> issue, the fanboy club is the one attacking and typically say they

> don't have that problem, implying anybody that does must be some kind

> of idiot.

>

> The only reasonable conclusion is there are two camps of posters.

> Those asking questions looking for serious answers and people

> responding to them simply to help and then there are the finger

> pointers that get off being Microsoft apologists.

>

> Pretty silly state of affairs. :-(

>

So, let's summarize...

1-You don't have any problems

2-You're only repeating gossip

3-You don't understand the concept of 'troll'

4-You make assumptions while rejecting the opinions of others

You must not like yourself much if you need to do unto others exactly the

same immature name calling and denial that you accuse.Apparently, you have

nothing intelligent to add, so you simply respond with an "oh, yeah?"

reaction. Pity.

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And you have no reply worth a jot to users here.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:55:45 -0400, <here@home.again> wrote:

>

>>"Adam Albright" whined...

>>> Windows is not new. It has been around 21 years. Much of the crud in

>>> earlier versions of Windows simply got tweaked in Vista. You fanboys

>>> are a riot. You think Vista is brand new from the ground up. Well

>>> surprise it's just another remake of NT in many areas of the code.

>>>

>>

>>Why am I not surprised? So, if a brand new model GM car is not backwards

>>compatible with older non-GM replacement parts then you would complain

>>because GM has been around forever, right? If they keep the same

>>carburator

>>and alternator, but replace the whole body, frame, engine block and

>>electrical system with a completely redesigned configuration, is it still

>>the same car?

>

> You're babbling.

>

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"Lang Murphy" elaborated...

> I, too, like Vista. But, hoo-boy, I ain't touching the rest of this thread

> with a ten foot pole... yet another opportunity for some folks to cast

> aspersions on others and proclaim themselves geniuses and everyone who

> disagrees with them either idiots, fanbois, MS apologists, or worse.

>

> Yawn...

>

True, and so sad. Some of these people act like they've only been using

computers for 2 or 3 years. The amount of selective amnesia about the past

25 years worth of technology problems and compatibility issues is

unbelievable. I may be and old man around here. -)

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:13:43 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>Because it proves it can work.

>Without those for whom it works it could be concluded it is broken for

>everyone.

>and that would require a different fix.

>The fact is works for some suggests the fix is finding the significant

>differences in the systems that make the difference from working and

>not.

>

>Some of the worst critics do not like that approach and often dismiss

>the fact that it works on some systems since it goes against their

>bias of the product.

What a load of crap. If Vista doesn't work on SOME systems, ie like

the much reported calculating time remaining issue, then Vista is

indeed broken. Trying to say it works on SOME systems is meaningless

to those who's systems the problem is present. That the number of

people experiencing this problem is substantial and you and others are

seen here daily trying to blow it off in some feeble effort to defend

Microsoft's incompetence to provide a shell that can move files around

on your system without long delays, it seems reasonable to conclude

defending Microsoft is your primary purpose here.

Now say I'm stalking you if that helps boost your obvious low

self-esteem. The problem with guys like you is you see red when your

phony BS is so easily defeated by presenting facts.

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:23:30 -0700, "xfile"

<cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>But I can understand why geeks, hobbyists, and enthusiasts want to upgrade

>to a new OS (even at some costs) and also those need to support it at work.

>I can also understand some less experienced users might not be aware of what

>are in a new system so they didn't expect what were coming.

>

>What I am still trying to understand and hopefully can learn from here is

>why there are some people who are not in the above two groups but want to

>upgrade to a new OS at the cost of replacing existing and working

>applications and hardware devices?

>

>Just for personal curiosity and learning, no judgments whatsoever.

Take my case, while I could easily fit into the geek category the ONLY

reason I upgraded to Vista was shortly after it came out my

motherboard on this computer died. As long as I was going to build a

new system seemed logical to update the OS too. Normally I would have

waited for the dust to settle.

In spite of being technically proficient my arrival to this newsgroup

was non the less greeted by the usual suspects saying I was an idiot

to do an install in place which I explained I did mainly because of

the volume of files I had (over a million) and the substantial amount

of installed software (in excess of 200 applications, many with

activation BS I didn't want to waste time messing with which I would

have had to do if I went down the clean install path) making a clean

install a poor choice for me.

Unlike the lie often repeated by a certain nut case we all know that I

couldn't get my computer working I was able to do a successful install

in place without issues on my second attempt. The only reason the

first attempt failed was I relied on the bogus information provided by

the Vista Update Advisor that claimed a certain driver WOULDN'T

present a problem, but of course it did until I upgraded it.

I went on to document several issues I found with Vista and the fanboy

crowd have been on my case ever since. If I had to pick a couple words

to describe the typical fanboy it would be closed-minded. They simply

won't listen and often fall back on the lame: What problem, I don't

have that problem, you must be an idiot tactic.

So this newsgroup and others like it fall far short of what it could

be. Not because of people coming here with problems, but because of a

hard core gang of uptight, usually loud, often misinformed technically

wanting wannabe types that will defend Microsoft to the death no

matter what proof is offered that Vista is badly flawed in many areas.

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So what, if you didn't have problems with anything made you would never

improve or change them.

Having been using them since the early commodore 1832s and the BBC I have

enjoyed every hitch and compatibility problem every encountered. You not old

fellow just soft.

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> "Lang Murphy" elaborated...

>> I, too, like Vista. But, hoo-boy, I ain't touching the rest of this

>> thread with a ten foot pole... yet another opportunity for some folks to

>> cast aspersions on others and proclaim themselves geniuses and everyone

>> who disagrees with them either idiots, fanbois, MS apologists, or worse.

>>

>> Yawn...

>>

>

> True, and so sad. Some of these people act like they've only been using

> computers for 2 or 3 years. The amount of selective amnesia about the past

> 25 years worth of technology problems and compatibility issues is

> unbelievable. I may be and old man around here. -)

>

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And you think Linux can is that it. I use both and there is little

difference in speed. Trouble is you hang around these lists and see people

who do not yet have the skills with this of any system and condemn out of

hand on this basic.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:13:43 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>

>>Because it proves it can work.

>>Without those for whom it works it could be concluded it is broken for

>>everyone.

>>and that would require a different fix.

>>The fact is works for some suggests the fix is finding the significant

>>differences in the systems that make the difference from working and

>>not.

>>

>>Some of the worst critics do not like that approach and often dismiss

>>the fact that it works on some systems since it goes against their

>>bias of the product.

>

> What a load of crap. If Vista doesn't work on SOME systems, ie like

> the much reported calculating time remaining issue, then Vista is

> indeed broken. Trying to say it works on SOME systems is meaningless

> to those who's systems the problem is present. That the number of

> people experiencing this problem is substantial and you and others are

> seen here daily trying to blow it off in some feeble effort to defend

> Microsoft's incompetence to provide a shell that can move files around

> on your system without long delays, it seems reasonable to conclude

> defending Microsoft is your primary purpose here.

>

> Now say I'm stalking you if that helps boost your obvious low

> self-esteem. The problem with guys like you is you see red when your

> phony BS is so easily defeated by presenting facts.

>

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:57:17 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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>>> That from the guy that implied I was too dumb to build a color tv.

>>

>>Really when did I say that?

>>

>>> I start out trying to have intelligent conversations and you're the

>>> typical result.

>>

>>Your first post was:

>>"The so-called "trolls" are typically WAY smarter than the fanboy

>>crowd. You want me to say something nice about Vista?

>>Damn pretty packaging it comes in!"

>>

>>This is a intelligent conversation for you?

>

> It's called HUMOR, something the fanboy crowd is totally lacking. I

> never saw a more up-tight self-absorbed bunch of losers in any

> newsgroup then here in Vista Fanboys Central.

>

I see no signs of "HUMOR" in any of your posts just endless rants about

nothing and a total inability to offer any help to anyone.

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You seem to aptly describe yourself in this diatribe Adam.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:23:30 -0700, "xfile"

> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>

>>But I can understand why geeks, hobbyists, and enthusiasts want to upgrade

>>to a new OS (even at some costs) and also those need to support it at

>>work.

>>I can also understand some less experienced users might not be aware of

>>what

>>are in a new system so they didn't expect what were coming.

>>

>>What I am still trying to understand and hopefully can learn from here is

>>why there are some people who are not in the above two groups but want to

>>upgrade to a new OS at the cost of replacing existing and working

>>applications and hardware devices?

>>

>>Just for personal curiosity and learning, no judgments whatsoever.

>

> Take my case, while I could easily fit into the geek category the ONLY

> reason I upgraded to Vista was shortly after it came out my

> motherboard on this computer died. As long as I was going to build a

> new system seemed logical to update the OS too. Normally I would have

> waited for the dust to settle.

>

> In spite of being technically proficient my arrival to this newsgroup

> was non the less greeted by the usual suspects saying I was an idiot

> to do an install in place which I explained I did mainly because of

> the volume of files I had (over a million) and the substantial amount

> of installed software (in excess of 200 applications, many with

> activation BS I didn't want to waste time messing with which I would

> have had to do if I went down the clean install path) making a clean

> install a poor choice for me.

>

> Unlike the lie often repeated by a certain nut case we all know that I

> couldn't get my computer working I was able to do a successful install

> in place without issues on my second attempt. The only reason the

> first attempt failed was I relied on the bogus information provided by

> the Vista Update Advisor that claimed a certain driver WOULDN'T

> present a problem, but of course it did until I upgraded it.

>

> I went on to document several issues I found with Vista and the fanboy

> crowd have been on my case ever since. If I had to pick a couple words

> to describe the typical fanboy it would be closed-minded. They simply

> won't listen and often fall back on the lame: What problem, I don't

> have that problem, you must be an idiot tactic.

>

> So this newsgroup and others like it fall far short of what it could

> be. Not because of people coming here with problems, but because of a

> hard core gang of uptight, usually loud, often misinformed technically

> wanting wannabe types that will defend Microsoft to the death no

> matter what proof is offered that Vista is badly flawed in many areas.

>

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:27:12 -0700, "Gary" <Gary@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>>This is a intelligent conversation for you?

>>

>> It's called HUMOR, something the fanboy crowd is totally lacking. I

>> never saw a more up-tight self-absorbed bunch of losers in any

>> newsgroup then here in Vista Fanboys Central.

>>

>

>I see no signs of "HUMOR" in any of your posts just endless rants about

>nothing and a total inability to offer any help to anyone.

People see what they want to see. Sorry, truth hurts.

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:11:43 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

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>And you think Linux can is that it. I use both and there is little

>difference in speed. Trouble is you hang around these lists and see people

>who do not yet have the skills with this of any system and condemn out of

>hand on this basic.

If I learned anything from reading posts in this newsgroup it is this.

Some people simply refuse to listen and refuse to learn. They're

called fanboys. In many ways they are just like Bush supporters. No

Bush supporter EVER blames Bush for anything no matter how much he

messes up. Same thing for fanboys. In their eyes Microsoft is never to

blame for anything. Since this is the demonstrated mindset of the

fanboy crowd it is utterly pointless to try to reason with them, so

all that's left is to expose them as the losers they are and have some

fun with them using their own words against them. That I can do

without even trying.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:11:43 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

> wrote:

>

>>And you think Linux can is that it. I use both and there is little

>>difference in speed. Trouble is you hang around these lists and see people

>>who do not yet have the skills with this of any system and condemn out of

>>hand on this basic.

>

> If I learned anything from reading posts in this newsgroup it is this.

> Some people simply refuse to listen and refuse to learn. They're

> called fanboys. In many ways they are just like Bush supporters. No

> Bush supporter EVER blames Bush for anything no matter how much he

> messes up. Same thing for fanboys. In their eyes Microsoft is never to

> blame for anything. Since this is the demonstrated mindset of the

> fanboy crowd it is utterly pointless to try to reason with them, so

> all that's left is to expose them as the losers they are and have some

> fun with them using their own words against them. That I can do

> without even trying.

>

More of your endless rants about nothing with a total inability to help

solve a single problem.

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The problem is that Adam does solve problems. He gives explanations that

make sense and when people ignore them or don't understand them, then they

call Adam or others names.

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>

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:11:43 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>And you think Linux can is that it. I use both and there is little

>>>difference in speed. Trouble is you hang around these lists and see

>>>people

>>>who do not yet have the skills with this of any system and condemn out of

>>>hand on this basic.

>>

>> If I learned anything from reading posts in this newsgroup it is this.

>> Some people simply refuse to listen and refuse to learn. They're

>> called fanboys. In many ways they are just like Bush supporters. No

>> Bush supporter EVER blames Bush for anything no matter how much he

>> messes up. Same thing for fanboys. In their eyes Microsoft is never to

>> blame for anything. Since this is the demonstrated mindset of the

>> fanboy crowd it is utterly pointless to try to reason with them, so

>> all that's left is to expose them as the losers they are and have some

>> fun with them using their own words against them. That I can do

>> without even trying.

>>

>

> More of your endless rants about nothing with a total inability to help

> solve a single problem.

>

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That is just shear crap. I dislike Bush because he went to kill innocent

people in Iraq. I find faults a glitches in Linux also But I do not spend my

time condemning either because I know they each have redeeming features if I

give them time. You and Alias are one track individual who do nothing good

for anyone.