Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:g0kjuk$otu$2@aioe.org...

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:eoeqWC3tIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>>> "the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:g0k0ug$1f1$1@reader2.panix.com...

>>>>>>>> In article <u6ihweztIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>>> Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Obviously the marketing machine in Microsoft isn't stupid, and

>>>>>>>>> they must

>>>>>>>>> have considered this. Does anyone know - or have an opinion -

>>>>>>>>> on why

>>>>>>>>> Microsoft are forcing their customers to use Vista after next

>>>>>>>>> month, even if

>>>>>>>>> it makes the customer unhappy?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Because Vista requires that you purchase new hardware and new

>>>>>>>> software

>>>>>>>> in addition to the new operating system. That makes Microsoft

>>>>>>>> business partners

>>>>>>>> and subsidiaries happy. Microsoft is far more concerned with

>>>>>>>> keeping those

>>>>>>>> entities happy than with anything a customer might think.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I am running the same hardware setup that I had for XP..

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Oh, so you're using Vista Basic?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Nope.. I am running Vista Ultimate.. all bells and whistles..

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> So you bought the machine knowing that you would need it for Vista.

>>>> Enough said and thanks for stepping into the trap.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Are you on strong medications?

>>>

>>> Any machine supplied with MCE 2005 is well up to the task of running

>>> Vista. Many hobbyists and all serious gamers had machines which would

>>> be more than enough to run Vista.

>>>

>>> Mine was not supplied with MCE 2005 (it is a home build), neither is

>>> it a serious gaming machine.

>>>

>>> I stepped in no trap, but you are still using FUD to discredit Vista..

>>>

>>

>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>> before it was released.

>>

>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> But I don't have high end hardware. Single core AMD 3500, and 2gb RAM

> and a 256mb nVidia 6600 video card which I bought to play my games

> because they were not good with the motherboard integrated video..

>

> You have no idea what you are talking about, and you make it up as you

> go along. You are a FUD spreader..

>

>

 

2 gigs RAM? Enough said.

 

Alias

>

> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

> before it was released.

>

> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good job

> all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>

 

 

I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home

Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.

 

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Kerry Brown wrote:

>>

>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>> before it was released.

>>

>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>

>

>

> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high

> end.

>

 

A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

 

Alias

":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>

>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>> before it was released.

>>>

>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home

>> Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.

>>

>

> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>

 

 

I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in the

past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high end. I

don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is

$60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very well and is

easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent

quality.

 

Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

 

Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised brand

names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could probably get

it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any edition of Vista 32

or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be stable, all drivers are

easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A

decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system

with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds

like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your computing experience.

In any case cost is relative to where you live. The system specs would not

be considered high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

 

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Kerry Brown wrote:

> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>

>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>> high end.

>>>

>>

>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware

>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the

>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>

>

>

> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high

> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2

> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very

> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

> consider to be decent quality.

>

> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

 

No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another

> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you

> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has

> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to

> where you live. The system specs would not be considered high end

> anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>

 

Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or

XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If

I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy

it in the States and send it to me.

 

That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold

and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never

goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

 

Alias

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

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> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message

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>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eoeqWC3tIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> "the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:g0k0ug$1f1$1@reader2.panix.com...

>>>>>> In article <u6ihweztIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>> Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Obviously the marketing machine in Microsoft isn't stupid, and they

>>>>>>> must

>>>>>>> have considered this. Does anyone know - or have an opinion - on

>>>>>>> why

>>>>>>> Microsoft are forcing their customers to use Vista after next month,

>>>>>>> even if

>>>>>>> it makes the customer unhappy?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Because Vista requires that you purchase new hardware and new

>>>>>> software

>>>>>> in addition to the new operating system. That makes Microsoft

>>>>>> business partners

>>>>>> and subsidiaries happy. Microsoft is far more concerned with keeping

>>>>>> those

>>>>>> entities happy than with anything a customer might think.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I am running the same hardware setup that I had for XP..

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Oh, so you're using Vista Basic?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Nope.. I am running Vista Ultimate.. all bells and whistles..

>>>

>>>

>>

>> So you bought the machine knowing that you would need it for Vista.

>> Enough said and thanks for stepping into the trap.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Are you on strong medications?

>

> Any machine supplied with MCE 2005 is well up to the task of running

> Vista. Many hobbyists and all serious gamers had machines which would be

> more than enough to run Vista.

>

> Mine was not supplied with MCE 2005 (it is a home build), neither is it a

> serious gaming machine.

>

> I stepped in no trap, but you are still using FUD to discredit Vista..

 

I have XP MCE on a AMD X2, and HP also mailed out the Vista CDs.

 

But I can tell you, XP MCE is what most people want, stable, relatively fast

and compatible. I will never downgrade it with Vista unless Microsoft fixes

the Vista issues good. It will remain my MS-Windows desktop so long as I

need MS.

 

I have no doubt it would run Vista. But why mess with a perfectly good and

stable working PC?

Alias wrote:

> Kerry Brown wrote:

>

>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>> high end.

>>>>

>>>

>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware

>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the

>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living

>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is

>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name

>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run

>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is

>> what I consider to be decent quality.

>>

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>

>

> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>

>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be

>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.

>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live

>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is

>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered

>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>

>

> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or

> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If

> I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy

> it in the States and send it to me.

>

> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold

> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never

> goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>

> Alias

 

So is your ability to tell the truth and admit when you're wrong.

Frank

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>

> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

 

Built onto the motherboard. It's not a high end system :-)

 

Canadian $ which is pretty much at par these days.

 

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>

>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>> before it was released.

>>>

>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home

>> Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.

>>

>

> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>

> Alias

 

Ya, I still LOL at that $2000 for Vista and MS-Office Retail full versions

of Ultimate.....

 

What a farce....hahaha....

 

Apple, do they do the same? You can buy a nice Apple here for less than MS

software and load Open Office. Or like I did on my new system,

Ubuntu/Fedora/Vista triple boot and of course, Open Office.

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...

> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>> before it was released.

>>>>

>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high

>>> end.

>>>

>>

>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>

>

>

> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high end.

> I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is

> $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very well and

> is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be

> decent quality.

>

> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>

> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be stable,

> all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00,

> Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00.

> The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move

> to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your

> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The

> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista runs with

> no problems on it.

 

You are quoting OEM versions. He is talking the full retail. You know, the

better ones that are complete and recoverable. You also are without office

tools. Add in business or ultimate office tools you are well over the

$1000, more than twice the price of the total hardware package.

 

Me, got a Q6600, 4GB RAM, 22" wide LCD, 500GB drive, Vista (not so) Premium

x64 OEM, keyboard, mouse, cables, $749 at Best Buy. No assembly required

and a warranty. But I did a refit, to 8GB RAM, 2nd hard drive and a

dedicated 8500GT 256M fanless video.

 

Runs Vista like a pig (file/network copy specifically), but Ubuntu with

Compiz, smoking hot and fast.

 

Back to software, sounds like Microsoft is shafting Euros, probably because

of the court decisions for Microsoft anti-competitive business practices.

But at $2000 for a OS and Office full versions, I imagine Macs and Linux are

making serious headway.

 

And think, Canada have NAFTA free trade with the US and a par dollar. That

Vista OEM is cheaper in the US, 97.87 at MWave. How does it feel to pay 25%

more for being Canadian?

 

Mind you, that is better than what Alias has to deal with in Spain...ouch...

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Kerry Brown wrote:

>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>>> before it was released.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>> high end.

>>>>

>>>

>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high

>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2

>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very

>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>> consider to be decent quality.

>>

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>

> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

 

CAD and USD are near par with each other, have been now for 4 months now or

so. Ok, it fluxuates up and down but it so close it is like the Bank of

Canada is managing it to be par.

 

>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another

>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you

>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has

>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where

>> you live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet

>> Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>

>

> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or

> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If I

> wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy it

> in the States and send it to me.

 

Here, almost everyone buys the OEM right off the shelf. In fact, one store

I deal with, most retail/full versions are special order only. No one in

their right mind is going to pay full retail for Ultimate Full

Retail...anything.

> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold and

> where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never goes

> under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>

> Alias

 

I hear you there. This is a weird year in Canada. Almost broke record low

temperate a few months ago, -35C. Today, going to 33C and may well be

record temperatures for the day. Screwy. I am contemplating Costa Rica

myself. Snow I don't mind, but that cold just isn't very nice.

 

You are better off in Spain. Maybe wait until you know someone going to

Canada, Spain or UK and bring a more sanely priced copy back.

Canuck57 wrote:

> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>

>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>> before it was released.

>>>>

>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home

>>> Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.

>>>

>>>

>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>

>> Alias

>>

>

> Ya, I still LOL at that $2000 for Vista and MS-Office Retail full versions

> of Ultimate.....

>

> What a farce....hahaha....

>

Do not be like Frankie Crankie ...LOL. It is not hahaha but ha ha ha ha

But most of the time that idiot goes hehehe...LOL!

> Apple, do they do the same? You can buy a nice Apple here for less than MS

> software and load Open Office. Or like I did on my new system,

> Ubuntu/Fedora/Vista triple boot and of course, Open Office.

>

>

>

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

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> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>> before it was released.

>>>>

>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high

>>> end.

>>>

>>

>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>

>

>

> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high end.

> I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is

> $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very well and

> is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be

> decent quality.

>

> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>

> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be stable,

> all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00,

> Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00.

> The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move

> to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your

> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The

> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista runs with

> no problems on it.

>

> --

> Kerry Brown

> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>

>

>

 

 

Kerry

 

Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and

taxation plays its part.

 

Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant country,

because it is anything but peasant. For sure some of the old ways of life

still exist, but Spain is as technologically advanced as most countries, and

has been the only European country growing over the last few years.

 

They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can get

computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can in other

countries.

 

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

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"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...

> Kerry Brown wrote:

>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>>> before it was released.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>> high end.

>>>>

>>>

>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high

>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2

>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very

>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>> consider to be decent quality.

>>

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>

> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>

>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another

>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you

>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has

>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where

>> you live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet

>> Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>

>

> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or

> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If I

> wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy it

> in the States and send it to me.

>

> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold and

> where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never goes

> under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>

> Alias

 

 

The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you know

about computers..

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

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"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

news:UlGXj.146998$Cj7.110714@pd7urf2no...

>

> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...

>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>>> before it was released.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>> high end.

>>>>

>>>

>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high

>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2

>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very

>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>> consider to be decent quality.

>>

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>

>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another

>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you

>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has

>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where

>> you live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet

>> Vista runs with no problems on it.

>

> You are quoting OEM versions. He is talking the full retail. You know,

> the better ones that are complete and recoverable. You also are without

> office tools. Add in business or ultimate office tools you are well over

> the $1000, more than twice the price of the total hardware package.

 

Generic OEM disks are a full install just like a retail disk. You may be

thinking of the large OEMs like Dell and HP. I wouldn't wish that user

experience on anyone. They install so much crap even a Quad Core would

struggle. As for Office you are the first person to mention it. I don't see

it anywhere else in the thread. Open Office runs equally well on Vista or

Linux so there's no difference there. If you need Microsoft Office then

despite what people say about Wine you really need a Microsoft OS to run it

properly.

>

> Me, got a Q6600, 4GB RAM, 22" wide LCD, 500GB drive, Vista (not so)

> Premium x64 OEM, keyboard, mouse, cables, $749 at Best Buy. No assembly

> required and a warranty. But I did a refit, to 8GB RAM, 2nd hard drive

> and a dedicated 8500GT 256M fanless video.

>

> Runs Vista like a pig (file/network copy specifically), but Ubuntu with

> Compiz, smoking hot and fast.

>

 

Then something is wrong. I dual boot Ubuntu and Vista Business on this

laptop. They run about the same speed doing the same tasks. If anything the

Vista Atheros wireless driver is a little faster than the MadWifi driver in

Ubuntu so wireless is a bit faster in Vista on this machine. Other than that

I don't notice much difference other than the UI. Both have been very stable

with few problems.

 

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with

>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what

>>>>> I'd call high end.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware

>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the

>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living

>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is

>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name

>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will

>>> run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware

>>> which is what I consider to be decent quality.

>>>

>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>

>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>>

>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be

>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.

>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live

>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is

>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered

>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>>

>>

>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista

>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete

>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get

>> a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.

>>

>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold

>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it

>> never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you

> know about computers..

>

>

 

Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true MS

fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.

 

Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...

>>

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>

>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with

>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what

>>>>>> I'd call high end.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap

>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even

>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are

>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of

>>>> RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of

>>>> name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that

>>>> will run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the

>>>> hardware which is what I consider to be decent quality.

>>>>

>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>>

>>>

>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>>>

>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all

>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you

>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.

>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The

>>>> system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista

>>>> Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen

>>>> LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with Vista

>>>> Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like

>>>> your decision to live in Spain has impacted your computing

>>>> experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The

>>>> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista

>>>> runs with no problems on it.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista

>>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete

>>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get

>>> a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.

>>>

>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the

>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and

>>> it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>>

>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you

>> know about computers..

>>

>>

>

> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true MS

> fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.

>

> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.

>

> Alias

 

IOW's alias is just one stupid, ignorant POS lying linux troll.

Loser!

Frank

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:eJxDSbGuIHA.4528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...

>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>>> before it was released.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>> high end.

>>>>

>>>

>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high

>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2

>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very

>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>> consider to be decent quality.

>>

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>

>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another

>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you

>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has

>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where

>> you live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet

>> Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>

>> --

>> Kerry Brown

>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>>

>>

>>

>

>

> Kerry

>

> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and

> taxation plays its part.

>

> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant country,

> because it is anything but peasant. For sure some of the old ways of life

> still exist, but Spain is as technologically advanced as most countries,

> and has been the only European country growing over the last few years.

>

> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can get

> computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can in

> other countries.

>

 

 

I know this. I've travelled extensively in Europe. It's fun watching Alias

make a fool of himself. My point wasn't really about price but about what is

considered high end. Price is relative to the local economy. Computer specs

aren't. Vista requires hardware that may have been considered high end three

years ago. It runs very nicely on most current low end hardware. Give it

some high end hardware and it's awesome.

 

--

Kerry Brown

MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...

>>>

>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end

>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a

>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with

>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what

>>>>>>> I'd call high end.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap

>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even

>>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are

>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB

>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada

>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical

>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under

>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent

>>>>> quality.

>>>>>

>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>>>>

>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all

>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you

>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.

>>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems.

>>>>> The system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM

>>>>> Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide

>>>>> screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with

>>>>> Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It

>>>>> sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your

>>>>> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you

>>>>> live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere

>>>>> yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM

>>>> Vista (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a

>>>> complete computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP,

>>>> I would get a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.

>>>>

>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the

>>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year

>>>> and it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the

>>>> question :-)

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that

>>> you know about computers..

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true

>> MS fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.

>>

>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.

>>

>> Alias

>

> IOW's alias is just one stupid, ignorant POS lying linux troll.

> Loser!

> Frank

Why are you constantly calling yourself

Loser!

Frank

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...

>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>>>> before it was released.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good

>>>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>>> high end.

>>>>>

>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>

>>>

>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

>>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high

>>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2

>>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very

>>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>>> consider to be decent quality.

>>>

>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>

> CAD and USD are near par with each other, have been now for 4 months now or

> so. Ok, it fluxuates up and down but it so close it is like the Bank of

> Canada is managing it to be par.

>

>

>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another

>>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you

>>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has

>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where

>>> you live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet

>>> Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>>

>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or

>> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If I

>> wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy it

>> in the States and send it to me.

>

> Here, almost everyone buys the OEM right off the shelf. In fact, one store

> I deal with, most retail/full versions are special order only. No one in

> their right mind is going to pay full retail for Ultimate Full

> Retail...anything.

 

It used to be that way here, too, until MS clamped down. Three computer

chains have confirmed that they were told by MS to only sell generic

OEMs with computers, including MS Office, or else.

>

>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold and

>> where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never goes

>> under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>>

>> Alias

>

> I hear you there. This is a weird year in Canada. Almost broke record low

> temperate a few months ago, -35C. Today, going to 33C and may well be

> record temperatures for the day. Screwy. I am contemplating Costa Rica

> myself. Snow I don't mind, but that cold just isn't very nice.

 

I hear Costa Rica is nice.

> You are better off in Spain. Maybe wait until you know someone going to

> Canada, Spain or UK and bring a more sanely priced copy back.

 

Oh, I have friends and family who can mail me what I want. Ready for

this? Levi's go for 120 euros here, each pair. That's $187 for a pair of

jeans! Needless to say, I get my people to send me clothes too -)

 

Alias

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...

>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>> high end.

>>>>

>>>

>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware

>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the

>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living

>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is

>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name

>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run

>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is

>> what I consider to be decent quality.

>>

>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>

>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be

>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.

>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live

>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is

>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered

>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>

>> --

>> Kerry Brown

>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>>

>>

>>

>

>

> Kerry

>

> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and

> taxation plays its part.

 

So does MS' iron fist.

>

> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant country,

> because it is anything but peasant.

 

I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and know.

Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.

> For sure some of the old ways of

> life still exist, but Spain is as technologically advanced as most

> countries, and has been the only European country growing over the last

> few years.

 

Do you think you saying something I don't know?

>

> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can get

> computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can in

> other countries.

 

Parts, yes. MS software, no.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...

>>

>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with

>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what

>>>>> I'd call high end.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware

>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the

>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living

>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is

>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name

>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will

>>> run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware

>>> which is what I consider to be decent quality.

>>>

>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>>

>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be

>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.

>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live

>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is

>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered

>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Kerry Brown

>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>> Kerry

>>

>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and

>> taxation plays its part.

>

>

> So does MS' iron fist.

>

>>

>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant

>> country, because it is anything but peasant.

>

>

> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't.

 

You're a lying POS ! I never ever said anything at all like that about

spain.

 

I live here and know.

> Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.

>

>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as

>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only

>> European country growing over the last few years.

>

>

> Do you think you saying something I don't know?

>

>>

>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can

>> get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can

>> in other countries.

>

>

> Parts, yes. MS software, no.

>

> Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

news:g0nlvg$rh5$2@aioe.org...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>>>> high end.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware

>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the

>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living

>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is

>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand

>>>> DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista

>>>> very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>>>> consider to be decent quality.

>>>>

>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>>

>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>>>

>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be

>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.

>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live

>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is

>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered

>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or

>>> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If

>>> I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy

>>> it in the States and send it to me.

>>>

>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold

>>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never

>>> goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you

>> know about computers..

>>

>>

>

> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true MS

> fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.

>

> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.

>

> Alias

 

 

The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France, and the

UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the eyes of some, but

you will not get away with doing it to me..

 

 

--

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"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...

>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long

>>>>>> before it was released.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>>> high end.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to

>>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of

>>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in

>>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high

>>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2

>>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very

>>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>>> consider to be decent quality.

>>>

>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>>

>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another

>>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you

>>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has

>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to

>>> where you live. The system specs would not be considered high end

>>> anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Kerry Brown

>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration

>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>> Kerry

>>

>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and

>> taxation plays its part.

>

> So does MS' iron fist.

>

>>

>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant country,

>> because it is anything but peasant.

>

> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and know.

> Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.

>

>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as

>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only

>> European country growing over the last few years.

>

> Do you think you saying something I don't know?

>>

>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can get

>> computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can in

>> other countries.

>

> Parts, yes. MS software, no.

>

> Alias

 

 

You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that one

didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..

 

So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And you

problem is?

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

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http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

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"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Canuck57 wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...

>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:

>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware

>>>>>>> long before it was released.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very

>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista

>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call

>>>>>> high end.

>>>>>>

>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware

>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the

>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living

>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is

>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand

>>>> DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista

>>>> very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I

>>>> consider to be decent quality.

>>>>

>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00

>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00

>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00

>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00

>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00

>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00

>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00

>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?

>>

>> CAD and USD are near par with each other, have been now for 4 months now

>> or so. Ok, it fluxuates up and down but it so close it is like the Bank

>> of Canada is managing it to be par.

>>

>>

>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised

>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could

>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any

>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be

>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is

>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be

>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.

>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live

>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is

>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered

>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.

>>>>

>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or

>>> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If

>>> I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy

>>> it in the States and send it to me.

>>

>> Here, almost everyone buys the OEM right off the shelf. In fact, one

>> store I deal with, most retail/full versions are special order only. No

>> one in their right mind is going to pay full retail for Ultimate Full

>> Retail...anything.

>

> It used to be that way here, too, until MS clamped down. Three computer

> chains have confirmed that they were told by MS to only sell generic OEMs

> with computers, including MS Office, or else.

>

>>

>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold

>>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never

>>> goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> I hear you there. This is a weird year in Canada. Almost broke record

>> low temperate a few months ago, -35C. Today, going to 33C and may well

>> be record temperatures for the day. Screwy. I am contemplating Costa

>> Rica myself. Snow I don't mind, but that cold just isn't very nice.

>

> I hear Costa Rica is nice.

>

>> You are better off in Spain. Maybe wait until you know someone going to

>> Canada, Spain or UK and bring a more sanely priced copy back.

>

> Oh, I have friends and family who can mail me what I want. Ready for this?

> Levi's go for 120 euros here, each pair. That's $187 for a pair of jeans!

> Needless to say, I get my people to send me clothes too -)

>

> Alias

 

Why not! Heck, that is a lot for jeans. Picked some up a few months ago,

$20 in the US each. US isn't that far from here and with NAFTA, you can buy

cars, often 20% cheaper. Have imported two myself. Thinking of a boat next

if the dealers get real.

 

But I hear the beaches, a bottle of rum, some chicks to look at, can't be

beat from Spain. Who cares about Vista with that in mind. No snow,

enticing. Are you an expate?