I am starting to believe that MS picks people for certain traits in order to

make them MVP's.

 

First and most important trait: the ability to be brainwashed and follow the

"leader" blindly.

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:kdf7a3t0kt626bbj5ibnre3tjkgl2iu3bb@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:01:04 -0700, "Kerry Brown"

> <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote:

>

>>"Opinicus" <gezgin@spamcop.net> wrote in message

>>news:13a7clu4j32kb70@news.supernews.com...

>>> "Henry" <not@all.com> wrote

>>>

>>>> What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?

>>>

>>> Hopefully a Vista that I'll be willing to shell out money for. This is

>>> the

>>> first version since I joined Windows with W95 that I haven't immediately

>>> upgraded to. All the horror stories have got me scared.

>>>

>>

>>

>>You should check out the XP newsgroups. They are actually busier than the

>>Vista newsgroups with even more horror stories. A quick Google search for

>>Vista problems has 53 million hits, XP problems has 71 million, Linux

>>problems has 154 million,and OS X problems 174 million. By your logic they

>>are all to be avoided. In reality they all work pretty good and have

>>millions of satisfied users. Satisfied users rarely post to news groups

>>:-)

>

> Maybe Microsoft should require MVPs to take lessons on how to argue a

> point. Sad to say I give most MVPs a failing grade.

>

> Of course there are more posts about XP issues, it's been out, what

> five years? How long has Vista been out? About five months and already

> 53 million hits or more than half of what XP generated in more than

> ten times that time span. That suggests way more people are having

> trouble with Vista then they did with XP.

>

> As far as your other "point" that too is self evident. Of course

> people that are experiencing problems are more likely to post to

> so-called support newsgroups like this than people not experiencing

> problems.

>

> You don't pick up a newspaper and see page have page of stories

> something along the line of Mr. Smith got up this morning, showered,

> dressed, ate breakfast, went to work, etc.. No, that would be silly.

> Newspapers report NEWS, newsgroups report problems.

>

I replied very similarly to you Adam.. and there is another thing our

"clever" mvp did not consider...

 

He is comparing all versions of linux (distros) with only one make of

windows...

if you want to be fair, you should combine all versions of windows and see

that they far exceed the linux posts..

 

and windows SHOULD be user friendly! lol

 

Not that I am a linux fan... but im not a vista fan either!

 

Vista is the crappiest OS ever!

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:kdf7a3t0kt626bbj5ibnre3tjkgl2iu3bb@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:01:04 -0700, "Kerry Brown"

> <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote:

>

>>"Opinicus" <gezgin@spamcop.net> wrote in message

>>news:13a7clu4j32kb70@news.supernews.com...

>>> "Henry" <not@all.com> wrote

>>>

>>>> What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?

>>>

>>> Hopefully a Vista that I'll be willing to shell out money for. This is

>>> the

>>> first version since I joined Windows with W95 that I haven't immediately

>>> upgraded to. All the horror stories have got me scared.

>>>

>>

>>

>>You should check out the XP newsgroups. They are actually busier than the

>>Vista newsgroups with even more horror stories. A quick Google search for

>>Vista problems has 53 million hits, XP problems has 71 million, Linux

>>problems has 154 million,and OS X problems 174 million. By your logic they

>>are all to be avoided. In reality they all work pretty good and have

>>millions of satisfied users. Satisfied users rarely post to news groups

>>:-)

>

> Maybe Microsoft should require MVPs to take lessons on how to argue a

> point. Sad to say I give most MVPs a failing grade.

>

> Of course there are more posts about XP issues, it's been out, what

> five years? How long has Vista been out? About five months and already

> 53 million hits or more than half of what XP generated in more than

> ten times that time span. That suggests way more people are having

> trouble with Vista then they did with XP.

>

> As far as your other "point" that too is self evident. Of course

> people that are experiencing problems are more likely to post to

> so-called support newsgroups like this than people not experiencing

> problems.

>

> You don't pick up a newspaper and see page have page of stories

> something along the line of Mr. Smith got up this morning, showered,

> dressed, ate breakfast, went to work, etc.. No, that would be silly.

> Newspapers report NEWS, newsgroups report problems.

>

Re: MSFT Service Packs Never Make Significant Functionality Changes

 

In article <eklT$mIzHHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

"Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote:

> Never have never will.

 

XP SP2. It was a HUGE change. Major new functionality.

 

Mike

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

 

>Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>bugs?

>Cars - Umm no.

>Ubuntu - Umm no.

 

Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

 

A color television is a fairly complex device, so are MRI machines,

CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

problems six to ninth months later. That IS Microsoft's history for

twenty plus years and counting.

In article <hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>

> >Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

> >bugs?

> >Cars - Umm no.

> >Ubuntu - Umm no.

>

> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>

> A color television is a fairly complex device,

 

Did you have one of the first color sets in the early 60s? Far from

flawless.

 

You can't compare software to any mechanical device. Software as

complex as an OS has billions of "moving parts", and must interact with

thousands of different hardware configurations. There is simply no way

to test that.

> so are MRI machines,

> CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

> etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

> a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

> problems six to ninth months later.

 

None of them are nearly as complex as a modern computer OS either.

Most of the above are 50 (or more) year old technology.

 

If you want to talk about complex hardware, how about the U.S. Space

Shuttle? One of them exploded on takeoff, one burned up in re-entry,

and they are *always* being "delayed" or one reason or another.

 

Again, complex systems are not flawless. It is not possible. But

hey, keep on telling yourself that is - it makes such a *great* straw

man argument for you.

 

Mike

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>

>>Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>>bugs?

>>Cars - Umm no.

>>Ubuntu - Umm no.

>

> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>

> A color television is a fairly complex device, so are MRI machines,

> CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

> etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

> a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

> problems six to ninth months later. That IS Microsoft's history for

> twenty plus years and counting.

>

>

 

A color television is not a complex device.

Photo copy machines are not a complex device.

Railroad engines are not a complex device.

None of the above require millions of lines of code to operate.

 

And I know for a fact jet aircraft do have recalls and retrofits all the

time.

Everything you listed is in and of itself a closed system. Windows

( or any OS ) is a platform that is used to load/run 3rd-party apps

and hardware. If Microsoft delivered a "Closed" system like Apple

( or to a lesser degree Linux ) then ~90%+ of all issues disappear.

It's generally known that the majority of BSODs are the result of

drivers. Of those the Lion's Share is the result of Video & Printer

drivers. Let's give credit where it's due, considering what Windows

supports and runs it does a good job.

Start loading Norton or Intuit programs on a Apple or Linux PC

and see how quickly you can crash the computer. ( Yes I know

they don't offer products for those platforms - but you get the idea ).

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>

>>Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>>bugs?

>>Cars - Umm no.

>>Ubuntu - Umm no.

>

> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>

> A color television is a fairly complex device, so are MRI machines,

> CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

> etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

> a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

> problems six to ninth months later. That IS Microsoft's history for

> twenty plus years and counting.

>

>

What I hope and pray for in SP1 is some resolution to Vista's TOTAL INABILITY

to work with drivers for USB devices.

 

Every other time I wake up my PC, it forgets the driver for some device or

another and wants me to reinstall it. And the process for installing drivers

relies entirely too much on the user having to tell the computer where on the

hard drive to look for a driver -- at which point it just picks one out

willy-nilly like it's choosing a sweetie from a huge bowl.

 

This costs me time every day, and there have been times when I've had to

manually delete and reinstall drivers from the Device Manager, which is not

easy when they're given generic names like "Root USB" somethingoranother.

 

I like my PC, and my Windows Mobile device is like an extension of my brain,

but this driver issue with Vista is driving me batty and I want it FIXED!

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:49:01 +0300, "carl feredeck"

<carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>I replied very similarly to you Adam.. and there is another thing our

>"clever" mvp did not consider...

>

>He is comparing all versions of linux (distros) with only one make of

>windows...

>if you want to be fair, you should combine all versions of windows and see

>that they far exceed the linux posts..

>

>and windows SHOULD be user friendly! lol

>

>Not that I am a linux fan... but im not a vista fan either!

>

>Vista is the crappiest OS ever!

 

I just want the OS I use to stay in the background, not be a nag and

simply work. Heck, that hardly sounds like an unreasonable request.

It also would be nice if Microsoft fixed some of the long remaining

bugs. For example since at least XP, probably before, icons at the

extreme right on the Task bar disappear. The whole point of having

them there is to provide quick access. Sometimes when you boot they

are there, then they can disappear only to appear again. No, clicking

on the unhide arrow doesn't work.

 

Then new in Vista you got the Sidebar Gadgets. I only have five, but

they randomly rearrange their order for no reason.

 

It's little things like this that bug users that slave away on their

computers for 10 hours or more daily.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:13:05 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>>>bugs?

>>>Cars - Umm no.

>>>Ubuntu - Umm no.

>>

>> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>>

>> A color television is a fairly complex device, so are MRI machines,

>> CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

>> etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

>> a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

>> problems six to ninth months later. That IS Microsoft's history for

>> twenty plus years and counting.

>>

>>

>

>A color television is not a complex device.

>Photo copy machines are not a complex device.

>Railroad engines are not a complex device.

>None of the above require millions of lines of code to operate.

 

The point you miss is neither does a operating system need millions of

lines of code. Vista is bloatware with 50 million lines of code. It

was made this overly complex for no good reason and is a crazy quilt

collection of code patched together. That's a sure sign Microsoft's

programmers don't talk to each other. Nobody at Microsoft knows what

every line does or interacts with other sections. That IS a problem.

 

By the way a color tv is for sure a complex device. You want me to

give you a lecture on color tv theory and how the circuits work

together? I could, I built a color tv from scratch when I was just a

17 year old kid. That was many moons ago. Best damn tv I have had. Had

to finally junk it some of the wiring was getting brittle. -)

In article ,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> By the way a color tv is for sure a complex device.

 

No, it isn't. The fact that you built one at 17 pretty much proves

that. Wake us up when you write Vista from scratch, OK?

 

Mike

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:11:51 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article <hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>

>>

>> >Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>> >bugs?

>> >Cars - Umm no.

>> >Ubuntu - Umm no.

>>

>> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>>

>> A color television is a fairly complex device,

>

>Did you have one of the first color sets in the early 60s? Far from

>flawless.

>

>You can't compare software to any mechanical device. Software as

>complex as an OS has billions of "moving parts", and must interact with

>thousands of different hardware configurations. There is simply no way

>to test that.

 

Actually you can. I got over 30 years under my belt, I helped write

some fairly complex custom software in my time, was responsible for

overseeing the entire IT and accounting departments for a multi

billion dollar corporation and I learned from a guy that had a masters

in computer science and a PhD in Mathematics. His favorite saying was

"... if you can do it with a paper and pencil I can do it with this"

pointing to his IBM 360. You know what... even though it was just the

early 70's he COULD do it and he was paid VERY WELL because he could

do it.

 

http://www.the-adam.com/adam/rantrave/ibm_360.jpg

 

No, I'm not that Adam.

 

My point is there is good software, well written, well thought out,

well tested, then there is bloatware, what Microsoft specializes in.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:p1j7a3l53te4a9afcbtug1tuo89qqct0qt@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:13:05 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>>

>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>news:hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com...

>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>>>>bugs?

>>>>Cars - Umm no.

>>>>Ubuntu - Umm no.

>>>

>>> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>>>

>>> A color television is a fairly complex device, so are MRI machines,

>>> CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

>>> etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

>>> a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

>>> problems six to ninth months later. That IS Microsoft's history for

>>> twenty plus years and counting.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>A color television is not a complex device.

>>Photo copy machines are not a complex device.

>>Railroad engines are not a complex device.

>>None of the above require millions of lines of code to operate.

>

> The point you miss is neither does a operating system need millions of

> lines of code. Vista is bloatware with 50 million lines of code. It

> was made this overly complex for no good reason and is a crazy quilt

> collection of code patched together. That's a sure sign Microsoft's

> programmers don't talk to each other. Nobody at Microsoft knows what

> every line does or interacts with other sections. That IS a problem.

>

> By the way a color tv is for sure a complex device. You want me to

> give you a lecture on color tv theory and how the circuits work

> together? I could, I built a color tv from scratch when I was just a

> 17 year old kid. That was many moons ago. Best damn tv I have had. Had

> to finally junk it some of the wiring was getting brittle. -)

>

>

 

A color TV is not a complex device. I have taken many electronic classes

over the years and a TV is not on the same scale of complexity as a OS. If

you built one when you were 17 that proves it. Try writing something simple

like a BIOS and you will get a small idea about complex systems.

 

Maybe if you want a simple OS you should stick with DOS or CPM.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:48:58 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article ,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> By the way a color tv is for sure a complex device.

>

>No, it isn't. The fact that you built one at 17 pretty much proves

>that.

 

Typical ignorant fanboy. Can't debate worth a s*it, just try to put

the other guy down.

our resident whiner at not work again.

 

WHINE, WHINE, WHINE.

 

 

 

mikeyhsd@comcast.net

 

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message news:6h37a3hlv07sftpfl6isvjbou59sf4p76r@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:01:10 -0700, Henry <not@all.com> wrote:

>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in

>

>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?

 

The impossible dream... a version of Windows that actually works as

advertised.

 

What we'll get is:

 

1. a major rewrite of the useless User Account Control nightmare.

2. Microsoft sneaking in a fix for "calculating time remaining".

3. Fixes for some of the over 500 bugs Vista was shipped with.

 

The point of course why do users of Windows ALWAYS have to wait six to

nine month for SPI before Microsoft has a reasonably clean version of

what the initial release was SUPPOSE to be?

 

Only the software industry gets away with shoveling crap out the door

in some poorly tested, unfinished version. If Microsoft made widgets

they would have been laughed out of business years ago for never being

able to release any product that didn't require a major rework months

later.

tooting own horn and failing at it again as usual.

that's why you were so smart that you screwed up your systems.

 

 

 

whine, whine, whine

 

 

 

 

mikeyhsd@comcast.net

 

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message news:pnj7a3pikafkpprhurkdaukvp85ed42dmq@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:11:51 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article <hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>

>>

>> >Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>> >bugs?

>> >Cars - Umm no.

>> >Ubuntu - Umm no.

>>

>> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>>

>> A color television is a fairly complex device,

>

>Did you have one of the first color sets in the early 60s? Far from

>flawless.

>

>You can't compare software to any mechanical device. Software as

>complex as an OS has billions of "moving parts", and must interact with

>thousands of different hardware configurations. There is simply no way

>to test that.

 

Actually you can. I got over 30 years under my belt, I helped write

some fairly complex custom software in my time, was responsible for

overseeing the entire IT and accounting departments for a multi

billion dollar corporation and I learned from a guy that had a masters

in computer science and a PhD in Mathematics. His favorite saying was

"... if you can do it with a paper and pencil I can do it with this"

pointing to his IBM 360. You know what... even though it was just the

early 70's he COULD do it and he was paid VERY WELL because he could

do it.

 

http://www.the-adam.com/adam/rantrave/ibm_360.jpg

 

No, I'm not that Adam.

 

My point is there is good software, well written, well thought out,

well tested, then there is bloatware, what Microsoft specializes in.

why argue a point with someone who cannot recognize the difference between day and night.

 

 

 

 

mikeyhsd@comcast.net

 

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message news:kdf7a3t0kt626bbj5ibnre3tjkgl2iu3bb@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:01:04 -0700, "Kerry Brown"

<kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote:

>"Opinicus" <gezgin@spamcop.net> wrote in message

>news:13a7clu4j32kb70@news.supernews.com...

>> "Henry" <not@all.com> wrote

>>

>>> What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?

>>

>> Hopefully a Vista that I'll be willing to shell out money for. This is the

>> first version since I joined Windows with W95 that I haven't immediately

>> upgraded to. All the horror stories have got me scared.

>>

>

>

>You should check out the XP newsgroups. They are actually busier than the

>Vista newsgroups with even more horror stories. A quick Google search for

>Vista problems has 53 million hits, XP problems has 71 million, Linux

>problems has 154 million,and OS X problems 174 million. By your logic they

>are all to be avoided. In reality they all work pretty good and have

>millions of satisfied users. Satisfied users rarely post to news groups :-)

 

Maybe Microsoft should require MVPs to take lessons on how to argue a

point. Sad to say I give most MVPs a failing grade.

 

Of course there are more posts about XP issues, it's been out, what

five years? How long has Vista been out? About five months and already

53 million hits or more than half of what XP generated in more than

ten times that time span. That suggests way more people are having

trouble with Vista then they did with XP.

 

As far as your other "point" that too is self evident. Of course

people that are experiencing problems are more likely to post to

so-called support newsgroups like this than people not experiencing

problems.

 

You don't pick up a newspaper and see page have page of stories

something along the line of Mr. Smith got up this morning, showered,

dressed, ate breakfast, went to work, etc.. No, that would be silly.

Newspapers report NEWS, newsgroups report problems.

for the notification icon problem disable the

upnp and ssdp services

 

tell me if this helps

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:0vh7a3t573injcs3u6c5e2l5es53dakb55@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:49:01 +0300, "carl feredeck"

> <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>

>>I replied very similarly to you Adam.. and there is another thing our

>>"clever" mvp did not consider...

>>

>>He is comparing all versions of linux (distros) with only one make of

>>windows...

>>if you want to be fair, you should combine all versions of windows and see

>>that they far exceed the linux posts..

>>

>>and windows SHOULD be user friendly! lol

>>

>>Not that I am a linux fan... but im not a vista fan either!

>>

>>Vista is the crappiest OS ever!

>

> I just want the OS I use to stay in the background, not be a nag and

> simply work. Heck, that hardly sounds like an unreasonable request.

> It also would be nice if Microsoft fixed some of the long remaining

> bugs. For example since at least XP, probably before, icons at the

> extreme right on the Task bar disappear. The whole point of having

> them there is to provide quick access. Sometimes when you boot they

> are there, then they can disappear only to appear again. No, clicking

> on the unhide arrow doesn't work.

>

> Then new in Vista you got the Sidebar Gadgets. I only have five, but

> they randomly rearrange their order for no reason.

>

> It's little things like this that bug users that slave away on their

> computers for 10 hours or more daily.

>

Dear Chad & friends:

 

Yes, I agree with many of your sayings, but tell me, where can we get

the WinPE environments from the absurd "Disk Recovery CDs"? That is

the point, I was telling of the XP Recovery Console as an example

only.

 

The issue is, how can you fix your Vista installation if you receive

the following message when booting: "Vista can not load because

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\CONFIG\SYSTEM is corrupted"? And let suppose even

more, let suppose that you take a Registry backup every day, as I do

using ERUNT. What can you do with the "Disk Recovery CD"?

 

So, my plea is that Microsoft should provide us, the poor guys that

they allowed their OEMs to give us a "Disk Recovery CD" only instead

of the full bootable Vista DVD, for a tool to be able to boot in the

case of a Registry crash, independently if it is called WinPE, WinRE

or Recovery Console, and also independently if it comes on SP1 or if

we can download it from their site.

 

I will try to search for the previous postings of you relating this

issue in this group, of course!!!!!!!

 

"Chad Harris" <vistaneedsmuchowork.net> wrote:

>Dear Juan--

>

>There ain't no recovery console for Vista. It's as dead as Voldermort is

>now. Maybe you could load the Recovery console onto Vista using the XP CD,

>but having spent a lot of time with it, the RC is one of the most

>ineffective remedies in most peoples' hands, and even in the hands of

>advanced users, except for allowing you to run a chkdsk /r command outside

>windows. The other dos commands are not of much use in the context of

>fixing Windows. I've posted about 10 ways to try to repair a significantly

>broken or non-bootable(these aren't always the same) Vista about 200+ times

>in this group and the setup group as have others.

>

>Instead of the Recovery Console are the Win PE environments, and in my

>perception for fixing Vista the Win RE environments and other modalities

>I've covered.

>

>

>CH

>

>A big shout out to Scootie Libby--the world's most gutless probationer.

>Scootie is a rich white American whose investment banker daddy left him

>millions and Tucker Carlson's rich daddy Richard a former local news anchor,

>paid for Scootie's fine and his legal expenses.

>

>Don't be an indifferent American stop the explosions that slaughter the

>children and families of your poorer members in Iraq. Those would be the

>explosions you make sure your family doesn't get near.

>

>Welcome to apathetic America (home of Redmond, Washington) where the

>indifferent people get the Democracy they deserve:

>

>FRANK RICH: I Did Have Sexual Relations With That Woman

>New York 7/22/07

>

>IT'S not just the resurgence of Al Qaeda that is taking us back full circle

>to the fateful first summer of the Bush presidency. It's the hot sweat

>emanating from Washington. Once again the capital is titillated by a scandal

>featuring a member of Congress, a woman who is not his wife and a rumor of

>crime. Gary Condit, the former Democratic congressman from California, has

>passed the torch of below-the-Beltway sleaziness to David Vitter, an

>incumbent (as of Friday) Republican senator from Louisiana.

>

>

>

>Mr. Vitter briefly faced the press to explain his "very serious sin,"

>accompanied by a wife who might double for the former Mrs. Jim McGreevey. He

>had no choice once snoops hired by the avenging pornographer Larry Flynt

>unearthed his number in the voluminous phone records of the so-called D.C.

>Madam, now the subject of a still-young criminal investigation. Newspapers

>back home also linked the senator to a defunct New Orleans brothel, a charge

>Mr. Vitter denies. That brothel's former madam, while insisting he had been

>a client, was one of his few defenders last week. "Just because people visit

>a whorehouse doesn't make them a bad person," she helpfully told the Baton

>Rouge paper, The Advocate.

>

>

>Mr. Vitter is not known for being so forgiving a soul when it comes to

>others' transgressions. Even more than Mr. Condit, who once co-sponsored a

>bill calling for the display of the Ten Commandments in public buildings,

>Mr. Vitter is a holier-than-thou family-values panderer. He recruited his

>preteen children for speaking roles in his campaign ads and, terrorism

>notwithstanding, declared that there is no "more important" issue facing

>America than altering the Constitution to defend marriage.

>

>

>

>But hypocrisy is a hardy bipartisan perennial on Capitol Hill, and hardly

>news. This scandal may leave a more enduring imprint. It comes with a

>momentous pedigree. Mr. Vitter first went to Washington as a young

>congressman in 1999, to replace Robert Livingston, the Republican leader who

>had been anointed to succeed Newt Gingrich as speaker of the House. Mr.

>Livingston's seat had abruptly become vacant after none other than Mr. Flynt

>outed him for committing adultery. Since we now know that Mr. Gingrich was

>also practicing infidelity back then - while leading the Clinton impeachment

>crusade, no less - the Vitter scandal can be seen as the culmination of an

>inexorable sea change in his party.

>

>

>And it is President Bush who will be left holding the bag in history. As the

>new National Intelligence Estimate confirms the failure of the war against

>Al Qaeda and each day of quagmire signals the failure of the war in Iraq, so

>the case of the fallen senator from the Big Easy can stand as an epitaph for

>a third lost war in our 43rd president's legacy: the war against sex.

>

>

>During the 2000 campaign, Mr. Bush and his running mate made a point of

>promising to "set an example for our children" and to "uphold the honor and

>the dignity of the office." They didn't just mean that there would be no

>more extramarital sex in the White House. As a matter of public policy,

>abstinence was in abortion rights, family planning and homosexuality were

>out. Mr. Bush's Federal Communications Commission stood ready to punish the

>networks for four-letter words and wardrobe malfunctions. The surgeon

>general was forbidden to mention condoms or the morning-after pill.

>

>

>

>To say that this ambitious program has fared no better than the creation of

>an Iraqi unity government is an understatement. The sole lasting benchmark

>to be met in the Bush White House's antisex agenda was the elevation of

>anti-Roe judges to the federal bench. Otherwise, Sodom and Gomorrah are

>thrashing the Family Research Council and the Traditional Values Coalition

>day and night.

>

>

>The one federal official caught on the D.C. Madam's phone logs ahead of Mr.

>Vitter, Randall Tobias, was a Bush State Department official whose tasks had

>included enforcing a prostitution ban on countries receiving AIDS aid. Last

>month Rupert Murdoch's Fox network succeeded in getting a federal court to

>throw out the F.C.C.'s "indecency" fines. Polls show unchanging majority

>support for abortion rights and growing support for legal recognition of

>same-sex unions exemplified by Mary Cheney's.

>

>

>Most amazing is the cultural makeover of Mr. Bush's own party. The G.O.P.

>that began the century in the thrall of Rick Santorum, Bill Frist and George

>Allen has become the brand of Mark Foley and Mr. Vitter. Not a single

>Republican heavyweight showed up at Jerry Falwell's funeral. Younger

>evangelical Christians, who may care more about protecting the environment

>than policing gay people, are up for political grabs.

>

>

>Nowhere is this cultural revolution more visible - or more fun to watch -

>than in the G.O.P. campaign for the White House. Forty years late, the party

>establishment is finally having its own middle-aged version of the summer of

>love, and it's a trip. The co-chairman of John McCain's campaign in Florida

>has been charged with trying to solicit gay sex from a plainclothes police

>officer. Over at YouTube, viewers are flocking to a popular new mock-music

>video in which "Obama Girl" taunts her rival: "Giuliani Girl, you stop your

>fussin'/ At least Obama didn't marry his cousin."

>

>

>

>As Margery Eagan, a columnist at The Boston Herald, has observed, even the

>front-runners' wives are getting into the act, trying to one-up one another

>with displays of what she described as their "ample and aging" cleavage. The

>décolletage primary was kicked off early this year by the irrepressible

>Judith Giuliani, who posed for Harper's Bazaar giving her husband a

>passionate kiss. "I've always liked strong, macho men," she said. This was

>before we learned she had married two such men, not one, before catching the

>eye of America's Mayor at Club Macanudo, an Upper East Side cigar bar, while

>he was still married to someone else.

>

>

>Whatever the ultimate fate of Rudy Giuliani's campaign, it is the straw that

>stirs the bubbling brew that is the post-Bush Republican Party. The idea

>that a thrice-married, pro-abortion rights, pro-gay rights candidate is

>holding on as front-runner is understandably driving the G.O.P.'s

>increasingly marginalized cultural warriors insane. Not without reason do

>they fear that he is in the vanguard of a new Republican age of

>Addams-family values and moral relativism. Once a truculent law-and-order

>absolutist, Mr. Giuliani has even shrugged off the cocaine charges leveled

>against his departed South Carolina campaign chairman, the state treasurer

>Thomas Ravenel, as a "highly personal" matter.

>

>

>The religious right's own favorite sons, Sam Brownback and Mike Huckabee,

>are no more likely to get the nomination than Ron Paul or, for that matter,

>RuPaul. The party's faith-based oligarchs are getting frantic. Disregarding

>a warning from James Dobson of Focus on the Family, who said in March that

>he didn't consider Fred Thompson a Christian, they desperately started

>fixating on the former Tennessee senator as their savior. When it was

>reported this month that Mr. Thompson had worked as a lobbyist for an

>abortion rights organization in the 1990s, they credulously bought his

>denials and his spokesman's reassurance that "there's no documents to prove

>it, no billing records." Last week The New York Times found the billing

>records.

>

>

>

>No one is stepping more boldly into this values vacuum than Mitt Romney. In

>contrast to Mr. Giuliani, the former Massachusetts governor has not only

>disowned his past as a social liberal but is also running as a paragon of

>moral rectitude. He is even embracing one of the more costly failed Bush sex

>initiatives, abstinence education, just as states are abandoning it for

>being ineffective. He never stops reminding voters that he is the only

>top-tier candidate still married to his first wife.

>

>

>In a Web video strikingly reminiscent of the Vitter campaign ads, the entire

>multigenerational Romney brood gathers round to enact their wholesome

>Christmas festivities. Last week Mr. Romney unveiled a new commercial

>decrying American culture as "a cesspool of violence, and sex, and drugs,

>and indolence, and perversions." Unlike Mr. Giuliani, you see, he gets along

>with his children, and unlike Mr. Thompson, he has never been in bed with

>the perverted Hollywood responsible for the likes of "Law & Order."

>

>

>There are those who argue Mr. Romney's campaign is doomed because he is a

>Mormon, a religion some voters regard almost as suspiciously as Scientology,

>but two other problems may prove more threatening to his candidacy. The

>first is that in American public life piety always goeth before a fall.

>There had better not be any skeletons in his closet. Already Senator

>Brownback has accused Mr. Romney of pushing hard-core pornography because of

>his close association with (and large campaign contributions from) the

>Marriott family, whose hotel chain has prospered mightily from its X-rated

>video menu.

>

>

>

>The other problem is more profound: Mr. Romney is swimming against a swift

>tide of history in both culture and politics. Just as the neocons had their

>moment in power in the Bush era and squandered it in Iraq, so the values

>crowd was handed its moment of ascendancy and imploded in debacles ranging

>from Terri Schiavo to Ted Haggard to David Vitter. By this point it's safe

>to say that even some Republican primary voters are sick enough of their

>party's preacher politicians that they'd consider hitting a cigar bar or two

>with Judith Giuliani.

>___________________________________

>

>MAUREEN DOWD: A Woman Who's Man Enough

>WASHINGTON 7/22/07

>

>Things are getting confusing out there in Genderville.

>

>We have the ordinarily poker-faced secretary of defense crying over young

>Americans killed in Iraq.

>

>We have The Washington Post reporting that Hillary Clinton came to the floor

>of the Senate in a top that put "cleavage on display Wednesday afternoon on

>C-SPAN2."

>

>We have Mitt Romney spending $300 for makeup appointments at Hidden Beauty,

>a mobile men's grooming spa, before the California debate, even though NBC

>would surely have powdered his nose for free.

>

>We have Elizabeth Edwards on a tear of being more assertive than her

>husband. She argued that John Edwards is a better advocate for women than

>Hillary, explaining that her own experience as a lawyer taught her that

>"sometimes you feel you have to behave as a man and not talk about women's

>issues."

>

>We have Bill Clinton, who says he'd want to be known as First Laddie,

>defending his woman by saying, "I don't think she's trying to be a man."

>

>We have The Times reporting that Hillary's campaign is quizzical about why

>so many women who are like Hillary - married, high income, professional

>types - don't like her. A Times/CBS News poll shows that women view her more

>favorably than men, but she has a problem with her own demographic and some

>older women resistant to "a lady president" from the land of women's lib.

>

>In a huge step forward for her, The Times said that "all of those polled -

>both women and men - said they thought Mrs. Clinton would be an effective

>commander in chief."

>

>So gender isn't Hillary's biggest problem. Those who don't like her said it

>was because they don't trust her, or don't like her values, or think she's

>too politically expedient or phony.

>

>There is a dread out there about 28 years of Bush-Clinton rule. But most

>people are not worried about Hillary's ability to be strong. Anyone who can

>cast herself as a feminist icon while leading the attack on her husband's

>mistresses, anyone who thinks eight years of presidential pillow talk

>qualifies her for the presidential pillow, is plenty tough enough to smack

>around dictators, and other Democrats.

>

>John Edwards and Barack Obama often seem more delicate and concerned with

>looking pretty than Hillary does. Though the tallest candidate usually has

>the advantage, Hillary has easily dominated the debates without even wearing

>towering heels.

>

>When she wrote to Bob Gates asking about the Pentagon's plans to get out of

>Iraq, it took eight weeks for an under secretary, Eric Edelman, to send a

>scalding reply, suggesting that she was abetting enemy propaganda. But Mrs.

>Clinton hit back with a tart letter to Secretary Gates on Friday and scored

>something of a victory, since he issued a statement that did not back up his

>own creep.

>

>Maybe Hillary has had her tear ducts removed. If she acted like a sob sister

>on the war the way Mr. Gates did, her critics would have a field day.

>

>Even in an era when male politicians can mist up with impunity, it was

>startling to see the defense chief melt down at a Marine Corps dinner

>Wednesday night as he talked about writing notes every evening to the

>families of dead soldiers like Douglas Zembiec, a heroic Marine commander

>known as "the Lion of Falluja," who died in Baghdad in May after giving up a

>Pentagon job to go on a fourth tour of Iraq. "They are not names on a press

>release or numbers updated on a Web page," he said. "They are our country's

>sons and daughters."

>

>The dramatic moment was disconcerting, because Mr. Gates, known as a decent

>guy who was leery of the Bushies' black-and-white, bullying worldview, has

>clearly been worn down by his effort to sort out the Iraq debacle. He and

>Condi, who worked together under Bush I, have been trying to circumvent the

>vice president to close Gitmo without much success, while the president

>finds ingenious new ways to allow torture.

>

>Mostly, though, it was moving - a relief to see a top official acknowledge

>the awful cost of this war. The arrogant Rummy was dismissive. The obtuse W.

>seems incapable of understanding how inappropriate his sunny spirits are.

>And the callous Cheney's robo-aggression continues unabated. (What could be

>more nerve-racking than the thought of President Cheney, slated to happen

>for a couple of hours yesterday while Mr. Bush had a colonoscopy? Could it

>be - a Medal of Freedom for Scooter?)

>

>Mr. Gates captured the sadness we feel about American kids trapped in a

>desert waiting to be blown up, sent there by men who once refused to go to a

>warped war themselves.

>

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

>

>"Juan I. Cahis" <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> wrote in message

>news:j0a7a3pg00380c08fds9tpsdrb3nuempi3@4ax.com...

>Dear Henry and friends:

>

>I expect that Microsoft delivers the possibility to all, to boot to an

>equivalent to the old XP "Recovery Console", in order to survive to

>some Registry related crashes. This is essential for all the poor guys

>like me, that received some un-useful "Hard Disk Recovery CDs" from

>their computer manufacturers, instead of a bootable Vista DVD.

>

>Henry <not@all.com> wrote:

>

>>Previous "Service Packs" have often been software rewrites - in

>>file size nearly a re-install. Those rewrites have benefited

>>from an infinity of combinations of hardware, software, user

>>settings/errors, and from an army of professional malware

>>defenders fighting guerrillas who attack vulnerabilities just

>>for the fun of it.

>>

>>Considering past SPs, I wonder what Vista SP1 will include.

>>

>>My guess is that SP1 will not add much in the way of security,

>>but will push it further into the background and less intrusive.

>>Perhaps massive usage data will enable security functions to be

>>safely trimmed and made faster for most.

>>

>>Will SP1 add stability? Vista overall seems to be very stable

>>for most, though - again - perhaps massive usage data will

>>support further stability enhancements.

>>

>>What about functionality? I've seen interest in capabilities not

>>available from the present Vista - perhaps some will be added

>>once usage data suggests it's safe to do so.

>>

>>And speed? Well, my Vista installation is as fast as XP Pro, but

>>everyone wants more speed. I think this is a primary goal for

>>Microsoft, who knows that consumers want faster operation -

>>particularly boot and shutdown times. The only thing worse than

>>"slow" is "STOP!", so there are pauses throughout Vista to

>>permit checks and cross-checks. Experience will permit

>>streamlining of such precautions and I therefore expect Vista

>>SP1 to "take off".

>>

>>Microsoft collects massive data because most computers call

>>home, and MS information collectors watch discussions, monitor

>>corporate usage, are intimate with major software companies, and

>>collect information from professional repair services. With all

>>that since Vista was released, I'd guess that plans for SP1 are

>>pretty firm by now.

>>

>>What do YOU expect from Vista SP1?

>>

>>And, of course, when do you think SP1 will be released to

>>non-Betaphiles like me?

>>

>>Henry

>>

>>-------------------

>>PS

>>Though Microsoft bashing is an international sport, it's one of

>>the world's most successful companies and a monument to American

>>entrepreneurism and brainpower (credit goes to the Israeli

>>Microsoft groups for much of the latter). Such companies as

>>Microsoft, Boeing, Walmart, Dell, Exxon, Verizon, and GE take a

>>lot of heat, but I admire and respect such achievement.

>Thanks

>Juan I. Cahis

>Santiago de Chile (South America)

>Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

Thanks

Juan I. Cahis

Santiago de Chile (South America)

Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

In article <ikl7a39ia0ql54f4mk4h7c711gmo5s0njm@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:48:58 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>

> >In article ,

> > Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> >

> >> By the way a color tv is for sure a complex device.

> >

> >No, it isn't. The fact that you built one at 17 pretty much proves

> >that.

>

> Typical ignorant fanboy. Can't debate worth a s*it, just try to put

> the other guy down.

 

It wasn't meant as a put down. I have built HeathKit TVs also. CB

radios, test equipment, all kinds of stuff.

 

Believe me. From an engineering standpoint, there is simply NO

COMPARISON. A color TV is a toy compared to a modern computer OS.

 

Mike

In article ,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> >You can't compare software to any mechanical device. Software as

> >complex as an OS has billions of "moving parts", and must interact with

> >thousands of different hardware configurations. There is simply no way

> >to test that.

>

> Actually you can. I got over 30 years under my belt, I helped write

> some fairly complex custom software in my time, was responsible for

> overseeing the entire IT and accounting departments for a multi

> billion dollar corporation and I learned from a guy that had a masters

> in computer science and a PhD in Mathematics. His favorite saying was

> "... if you can do it with a paper and pencil I can do it with this"

> pointing to his IBM 360. You know what... even though it was just the

> early 70's he COULD do it and he was paid VERY WELL because he could

> do it.

 

So what? I have written some fairly complex stuff also. Do bugs

appear in the field? You bet - constantly. It's the nature of the

beast. I'm VERY well paid also. Are you telling me that you never

issued bug fixes for your software?

 

None of which really compares to OSes, anyways. Application software

just has to run on the OS. The OS has to run on the hardware. In the

case of Windows - thousands of different hardware combinations. There

is simply no way to test all of those combinations.

 

Mike

Yea, but....

 

If the color television was run by Microsoft software....

If the Photo Copy machine was run by Microsoft software....

If the Railroad engine was run by Microsoft software....

 

They would be bloated, crashing machines that people would be sick of !

 

 

"Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote in message

news:72616E09-4791-4779-81E7-A37E07A6CB0D@microsoft.com...

>

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>>>bugs?

>>>Cars - Umm no.

>>>Ubuntu - Umm no.

>>

>> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>>

>> A color television is a fairly complex device, so are MRI machines,

>> CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

>> etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

>> a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

>> problems six to ninth months later. That IS Microsoft's history for

>> twenty plus years and counting.

>>

>>

>

> A color television is not a complex device.

> Photo copy machines are not a complex device.

> Railroad engines are not a complex device.

> None of the above require millions of lines of code to operate.

>

> And I know for a fact jet aircraft do have recalls and retrofits all the

> time.

>

>

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:07:14 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>news:p1j7a3l53te4a9afcbtug1tuo89qqct0qt@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:13:05 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

>>>news:hrg7a35e1qqrheka5qqdqilfkdajctamt4@4ax.com...

>>>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:23:27 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Maybe you can name one thing as complex as a OS that is released with no

>>>>>bugs?

>>>>>Cars - Umm no.

>>>>>Ubuntu - Umm no.

>>>>

>>>> Countless products are brought to market without serious flaws.

>>>>

>>>> A color television is a fairly complex device, so are MRI machines,

>>>> CAT scanners, photo copy machines, jet aircraft, railroad engines,

>>>> etc.. Not suggesting any of the above are flawless but they don't have

>>>> a pattern of getting released only to undergo a major recall to fix

>>>> problems six to ninth months later. That IS Microsoft's history for

>>>> twenty plus years and counting.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>A color television is not a complex device.

>>>Photo copy machines are not a complex device.

>>>Railroad engines are not a complex device.

>>>None of the above require millions of lines of code to operate.

>>

>> The point you miss is neither does a operating system need millions of

>> lines of code. Vista is bloatware with 50 million lines of code. It

>> was made this overly complex for no good reason and is a crazy quilt

>> collection of code patched together. That's a sure sign Microsoft's

>> programmers don't talk to each other. Nobody at Microsoft knows what

>> every line does or interacts with other sections. That IS a problem.

>>

>> By the way a color tv is for sure a complex device. You want me to

>> give you a lecture on color tv theory and how the circuits work

>> together? I could, I built a color tv from scratch when I was just a

>> 17 year old kid. That was many moons ago. Best damn tv I have had. Had

>> to finally junk it some of the wiring was getting brittle. -)

>>

>>

>

>A color TV is not a complex device. I have taken many electronic classes

>over the years and a TV is not on the same scale of complexity as a OS. If

>you built one when you were 17 that proves it. Try writing something simple

>like a BIOS and you will get a small idea about complex systems.

>

>Maybe if you want a simple OS you should stick with DOS or CPM.

 

Maybe if you grew some brains you could debate better.

In article <nkn7a3p4udnkhd87pqnn2q5f9k3vmfr79o@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> >A color TV is not a complex device. I have taken many electronic classes

> >over the years and a TV is not on the same scale of complexity as a OS. If

> >you built one when you were 17 that proves it. Try writing something simple

> >like a BIOS and you will get a small idea about complex systems.

> >

> >Maybe if you want a simple OS you should stick with DOS or CPM.

>

> Maybe if you grew some brains you could debate better.

 

Typical fanboy reply. You can't debate for s*it to you resort to put

downs.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Mike

It's very interesting that a post I made about a flaw in logic was taken as

a post supporting Vista. I made no comments for or against Vista. In fact I

said Vista, XP, Linux, and OS X all work pretty good and have millions of

satisfied users. I made no statements about any of them being better than

any others. Some people see MVP and don't read any further. Can any of you

dispute any of the facts in my post or are all of you on an agenda to

denigrate Vista and MVPs at the expense of logic and reasonable dialogue?

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

http://www.vistahelp.ca

 

 

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message

news:46a3da15@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> for the notification icon problem disable the

> upnp and ssdp services

>

> tell me if this helps

>

> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

> news:0vh7a3t573injcs3u6c5e2l5es53dakb55@4ax.com...

>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:49:01 +0300, "carl feredeck"

>> <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>I replied very similarly to you Adam.. and there is another thing our

>>>"clever" mvp did not consider...

>>>

>>>He is comparing all versions of linux (distros) with only one make of

>>>windows...

>>>if you want to be fair, you should combine all versions of windows and

>>>see

>>>that they far exceed the linux posts..

>>>

>>>and windows SHOULD be user friendly! lol

>>>

>>>Not that I am a linux fan... but im not a vista fan either!

>>>

>>>Vista is the crappiest OS ever!

>>

>> I just want the OS I use to stay in the background, not be a nag and

>> simply work. Heck, that hardly sounds like an unreasonable request.

>> It also would be nice if Microsoft fixed some of the long remaining

>> bugs. For example since at least XP, probably before, icons at the

>> extreme right on the Task bar disappear. The whole point of having

>> them there is to provide quick access. Sometimes when you boot they

>> are there, then they can disappear only to appear again. No, clicking

>> on the unhide arrow doesn't work.

>>

>> Then new in Vista you got the Sidebar Gadgets. I only have five, but

>> they randomly rearrange their order for no reason.

>>

>> It's little things like this that bug users that slave away on their

>> computers for 10 hours or more daily.

>>

>

>