On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:22:46 -0500, Swingman wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

> news:OdWdnbQyjZYHAj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...

>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:52:12 -0500, Swingman wrote:

>>

>>> "Stephan Rose" wrote in messag

>>>

>>>> How would I even go about uninstalling whatever drive initially placed

>>>> by

>>>> Vista? The device manager just lists my nVidia driver now so I wouldn't

>>>> even know what driver vista initially placed. I never bother to look for

>>>> that since my normal procedure with windows is to install it and then

>>>> install the latest nVidia driver.

>>>

>>> This is a monitor/brand/display adapter issue.

>>>

>>> How old is the monitor? nVidia is infamous for leaving older (and not all

>>> that old) monitor's out of their "updated" drivers.

>>

>> Monitor is probably about 1.5 years old, is is a 20.1 inch 1600x1200

>> flatpanel.

>>

>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under Linux.

>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under WinXP. And I

>> seriously mean latest, I just updated my nVidia drivers under XP a couple

>> of days ago.

>>

>> So I don't see why nVidia would leave it out of Vista if they support it

>> properly everywhere else.

>>

>>>

>>> If you installed an "updated" driver, you can usually "roll back" the

>>> display adapter driver in Device Manager.

>>

>> That'd just bring me back to the default driver that Vista picked,

>> which didn't do any better.

>>

>> I actually even tried to change my monitor driver from the generic PnP

>> driver to Digital Flatpanel 1600x1200 but it made no difference.

>>

>

> My bet is that your system doesn't have the correct monitor driver

> installed. Your machine needs to know which resolutions and refresh rates it

> can support, otherwise it goes to 1024 x 768 to err on the safe side

>

> Have you tried nVida's latest beta drivers for your card?

 

Well apparently the beta driver helped the resolution issue. Not that I

like running a beta, but I'll accept that for now.

 

Thanks for the suggestion. =)

 

--

Stephan

2003 Yamaha R6

 

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:06:48 -0700, Mr. Happy wrote:

>

>> Swingman wrote:

>>

>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OdWdnbQyjZYHAj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:52:12 -0500, Swingman wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Stephan Rose" wrote in messag

>>>>>

>>>>>> How would I even go about uninstalling whatever drive initially

>>>>>> placed by

>>>>>> Vista? The device manager just lists my nVidia driver now so I

>>>>>> wouldn't even know what driver vista initially placed. I never bother

>>>>>> to look for that since my normal procedure with windows is to install

>>>>>> it and then install the latest nVidia driver.

>>>>>

>>>>> This is a monitor/brand/display adapter issue.

>>>>>

>>>>> How old is the monitor? nVidia is infamous for leaving older (and not

>>>>> all that old) monitor's out of their "updated" drivers.

>>>>

>>>> Monitor is probably about 1.5 years old, is is a 20.1 inch 1600x1200

>>>> flatpanel.

>>>>

>>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under Linux.

>>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under WinXP. And I

>>>> seriously mean latest, I just updated my nVidia drivers under XP a

>>>> couple of days ago.

>>>>

>>>> So I don't see why nVidia would leave it out of Vista if they support

>>>> it properly everywhere else.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> If you installed an "updated" driver, you can usually "roll back" the

>>>>> display adapter driver in Device Manager.

>>>>

>>>> That'd just bring me back to the default driver that Vista picked,

>>>> which didn't do any better.

>>>>

>>>> I actually even tried to change my monitor driver from the generic PnP

>>>> driver to Digital Flatpanel 1600x1200 but it made no difference.

>>>>

>>>

>>> My bet is that your system doesn't have the correct monitor driver

>>> installed.

>>

>> Sorry but monitors don't have drivers. You've used a computer before,

>> no?

>

> Actually under windows, they do. It likely is just information regarding

> the capability of the monitor, but it still gets installed as a driver.

>

It is not a driver. I don't care how Windoze installs it.

 

Shake Hands With,

Mr. Happy

 

--

"Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and

sure enough, things got worse.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:52:10 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

wrote:

>Ah, well I may be mistaken there, perhaps my MB disk installed a driver,

>but nevertheless NVidia say you must remove any previous driver.

 

That's SOP for all video cards. To avoid conflicts you MUST uninstall

any prior video drivers, then install the new video driver. Again, the

reason falls on Windows being dumb.

Yes, I agree with you.

 

For newer models, hardware and software vendors do get benefits (or at least

try to avoid penalities for not being considered) by providing compatiable

drivers or versions so they could push sales.

 

And..

> The attitude with many here seems to be one of "Mine's okay so you must

> either have crap equipment or be stupid or both. This is sad because it

> damages not only Microsoft but the whole field of "Amateur" computing.

 

I also resent the above attitude and those persons simply don't know what is

compassion.

 

Both sides are rarely thinking from the user's point of view, and if they

want users to adopt their component (OS in this case), they have to make

sure that it will work with the systems and solve the problems, and excuses

are not relevant to or cared by end users.

 

None will expect 100% compatible and trouble free and that's why we have a

word called - mainstream.

 

 

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message

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> xfile wrote:

>>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.

>>> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.

>>

>> To be fair, Microsoft has to provide enough resources and "incentives"

>> for vendors to do so in the same way that Linux community has to do.

>>

>> If you were the CEO of the vendor, why would you want to spend tremendous

>> efforts on doing so for the "old" hardware? Will you benefit from it?

>>

>> Will you do things that only have costs but not benefits as a rational

>> business decision-maker?

>>

>

> Quite fair. There is "Some" incentive to cover older hardware since if

> people go buy new they won't necessarily buy a brand that let them down

> once already. However it is one thing to release an OS to manufacturers

> for pre install (So the people enjoying some of the profit do the beta

> testing and quite another to sell something in a box for ordinary shoppers

> to buy that most likely won't work properly on their hardware. This is

> unavoidable to some extent, but the fact that it was hyped to death and

> will be disappointing to many makes this seem worse.

>

> I think many will go for the ultimate version simply to get "The Best" so

> the disappointment / annoyance factor will be even higher. What you don't

> then need is someone endlessly repeating "It's your own fault for not

> ensuring compatibility" :)

>

> To some extent we are "Spoiled" by XP because it does things very well and

> quite honestly I'd feel cheated if I bought the most expensive MS OS ever

> only to find it caused me so much trouble. The attitude with many here

> seems to be one of "Mine's okay so you must either have crap equipment or

> be stupid or both. This is sad because it damages not only Microsoft but

> the whole field of "Amateur" computing.

Thank you although newer models usually don't need to use it but they do

have.

 

 

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:06:48 -0700, Mr. Happy wrote:

>

>> Swingman wrote:

>>

>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OdWdnbQyjZYHAj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:52:12 -0500, Swingman wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Stephan Rose" wrote in messag

>>>>>

>>>>>> How would I even go about uninstalling whatever drive initially

>>>>>> placed

>>>>>> by

>>>>>> Vista? The device manager just lists my nVidia driver now so I

>>>>>> wouldn't

>>>>>> even know what driver vista initially placed. I never bother to look

>>>>>> for that since my normal procedure with windows is to install it and

>>>>>> then install the latest nVidia driver.

>>>>>

>>>>> This is a monitor/brand/display adapter issue.

>>>>>

>>>>> How old is the monitor? nVidia is infamous for leaving older (and not

>>>>> all that old) monitor's out of their "updated" drivers.

>>>>

>>>> Monitor is probably about 1.5 years old, is is a 20.1 inch 1600x1200

>>>> flatpanel.

>>>>

>>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under Linux.

>>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under WinXP. And I

>>>> seriously mean latest, I just updated my nVidia drivers under XP a

>>>> couple

>>>> of days ago.

>>>>

>>>> So I don't see why nVidia would leave it out of Vista if they support

>>>> it

>>>> properly everywhere else.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> If you installed an "updated" driver, you can usually "roll back" the

>>>>> display adapter driver in Device Manager.

>>>>

>>>> That'd just bring me back to the default driver that Vista picked,

>>>> which didn't do any better.

>>>>

>>>> I actually even tried to change my monitor driver from the generic PnP

>>>> driver to Digital Flatpanel 1600x1200 but it made no difference.

>>>>

>>>

>>> My bet is that your system doesn't have the correct monitor driver

>>> installed.

>>

>> Sorry but monitors don't have drivers. You've used a computer before,

>> no?

>

> Actually under windows, they do. It likely is just information regarding

> the capability of the monitor, but it still gets installed as a driver.

>

> --

> Stephan

> 2003 Yamaha R6

>

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> §g???§Ñ?????????

Drivers - Drivers - Drivers

 

--

 

 

Regards,

 

Richard Urban

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

 

Quote from George Ankner:

If you knew as much as you think you know,

You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:39:26 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:

>

>> Stephan has been around for months knocking Vista, without even having

>> tried

>> it.

>>

>> Now he can do it with "authority"!

>>

>> Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.

>>

>

> Please, do me a favor...don't compare me with Alias. Yes I'm no big fan of

> Vista and there are things about it I don't like, but I don't do what

> Alias

> does. Not even remotely. My main reason to coming to this NG was educating

> myself on Vista and it has been quite educational. I might occasionally

> answer to OS specific discussions when such discussions actually contain

> constructive statements and not insulting contests between Alias and

> Frank...but I don't go around and post "Get Ubuntu" to every vista problem

> post now do I?

>

> Now, if you have any actual constructive thoughts and know of a solution

> to any of the problems. Then please, by all means, I'd be interested in

> hearing it. Google has not revealed much more other than that I'm not the

> only one with said issues.

>

> So I'm at the end of the road. More than install the OS and install the

> appropriate drivers I can't do. But hey, if you know something I don't,

> something else I could do, please do share. I will actually go give it a

> try.

>

> --

> Stephan

> 2003 Yamaha R6

>

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:16:58 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Stephan Rose wrote:

>

>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:39:49 -0500, Swingman wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>I seriously gave it a try and approached it with an open mind.

>>>

>>>Sure you did... if your job was to paint the Sistine Chapel, we'd be looking

>>>down, not up.

>>>

>>

>>

>> What more than install the OS, install the latest drivers, am I supposed

>> to do? Please...be so kind as to enlighten me.

>>

>> Live with 1024x768 on a 1600x1200 LCD? no thank you.

>>

>> If *you* have the solution to that problem for instance, that apparently

>> nobody else yet does, then please! Let's hear it! I'd be most interested.

>>

>

>And all along I thought you actually knew what you were doing?

>Sheese...!

>Frank

 

Hey Frankie, do you constantly argue with you wife like you argue with

everybody here? If so, and I bet it's a yes, she has my sympathy.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:24:00 -0400, Mike wrote:

> In article <OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com>,

> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:

>

>> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right

>> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and

>> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output instead.

>> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to

>> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no matter

>> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital Flatpanel"

>> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.

>

> Driver issue.

>

>>

>> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese

>> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a Japanese

>> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my

>> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?

>> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!

>

> Driver issue.

>

>>

>> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not

>> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work

>> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum

>> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not

>> having a driver for the controller.

>

> Driver issue.

>

>> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed to

>> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box

>> with my very up to date hardware!

>

> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do. It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.

>

> Mike

 

Who gives a rat's ass. If it doesn't work - it doesn't work!!

You little piss ant, I am going to get you here.

 

You need to hop back under your rock and

hop around in the coffin dirt you sweep under the rock with your little

broom, and you kicked around with your size two shoes, you little piss

ant.

 

You are nothing but a low-life rolling in coffin dirt piss ant. I don't get

into conversations with low-life rolling in the coffin dirt piss ants like

you, live with it. :)

 

that's a soft logical , and you don't deserve a hard

,

because I always got to keep an eye on Adam Piss Ant Hopalong a NG

*clown*, hopping up and down threads. <g>

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:43:01 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

 

>Remember the insults you hurled at me?

 

You write them down?

>I do! Well I did install urbuttoo

>on another box with an ati card and guess what? It's the worse linux os

>out there and I've tried at least half a dozen or more over the years.

>Craw back into your linux loser hole now doris before you once again

>make a stupid fool out of yourself.

 

You give lessons on how to be a stupid fool? You'd be a great teacher

Frankie since you obviously had lots of practice.

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:52:10 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Ah, well I may be mistaken there, perhaps my MB disk installed a driver,

>> but nevertheless NVidia say you must remove any previous driver.

>

> That's SOP for all video cards. To avoid conflicts you MUST uninstall

> any prior video drivers, then install the new video driver. Again, the

> reason falls on Windows being dumb.

>

 

 

Yes it is, I wasn't 100% sure if there was something additional showing

up on mine or whether it was from the manufacturer's driver disk.

"> If I buy a toaster I expect it to toast.

 

 

1. Buy a toaster....but do not put bagels into it.

2. Get a brain.

 

Bye.

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message

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>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do. It's

>> not Microsoft's job to write drivers.

>

> To be fair, Microsoft has to provide enough resources and "incentives" for

> vendors to do so in the same way that Linux community has to do.

 

A 'community' is too kind. A loose rabel is better, and THAT is why it is

really not worthy of reliance.

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

news:pan.2007.07.22.01.40.04.475610@zianet.com...

> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:24:00 -0400, Mike wrote:

>

>> In article <OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com>,

>> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:

>>

>>> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right

>>> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and

>>> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output

>>> instead.

>>> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to

>>> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no

>>> matter

>>> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital

>>> Flatpanel"

>>> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.

>>

>> Driver issue.

>>

>>>

>>> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese

>>> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a

>>> Japanese

>>> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my

>>> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?

>>> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!

>>

>> Driver issue.

>>

>>>

>>> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not

>>> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work

>>> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum

>>> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not

>>> having a driver for the controller.

>>

>> Driver issue.

>>

>>> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed

>>> to

>>> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box

>>> with my very up to date hardware!

>>

>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.

>> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.

>>

>> Mike

>

> Who gives a rat's ass. If it doesn't work - it doesn't work!!

>

 

Then never buy a car.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:43:48 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"

<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>Stephen

>Your comparisons with a car, toaster and fridge are not valid.

>Those 3 items are complete systems in themselves.

>Windows is nothing without a computer.

>For your car analogy, Windows is like the engine.

>If you buy another engine, you should first check that it will work

>appropriately with whatever car you have.

 

You mean like buying Vista certified hardware that supposedly passed

inspection and rigid testing that still doesn't work correctly?

 

I asked you at least a half a dozen times why you always have a hard

on for Microsoft. I'm still waiting for an answer. What's in it for

you that you daily disgrace yourself being an unpaid apologist for a

multi national company that doesn't give a rat's ass about it's

customers and release after release spanning over 21 years still

hasn't been able to give the public a reasonably bug free version of

Windows prior to the endless parade of service packs.

 

WHY do you do it Jupiter?

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:41:30 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Are you related to the other village idiot Frank?

>>

>

>Why don't you ask you mama Adam Hopalong, you piss ant, since we both did

>her, maybe you're related?

>

>You stupid *piss ant* in your size to shoes trying to kick some behind can

>you at least try to be creative? You have already used that one, piss ant.

 

Show me some nut case that needs to put "Mr." in his reply line and

I'll show you a fool. Hello fool.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:46:30 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote:

>

><snipped>

>

>Did you do hardware compatibility check? Did you do your homework?

>

>You know the bottom line is about who is setting behind the keyboard and

>mouse with your tail between your legs yapping.

 

I've seen top posters and bottom posters but rarely idiots that delete

everything and are so full of themselves only their own comments

remain. Well if the Bozo needs to put Mr. in his posts I guess I

understand what a loser such a guy has to be.

 

ROTFLMAO!

 

In the future you may respond to me as Mr. Albright or sir.

Re: Adam Hopalong mama's little piss and rides again.

 

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:00:16 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote:

>It's not read. You little piss ant, you need to hop back under your rock and

>hop around in the coffin dirt you sweep under the rock with your little

>broom, and you kicked around with your size two shoes, you little piss ant.

>

>You are nothing but a low-life rolling in coffin dirt piss ant. I don't get

>into conversations with low-life rolling in the coffin dirt piss ants like

>you, live with it. :)

>

> that's a soft logical , and you don't deserve a hard ,

>because I always got to keep an eye on Adam Piss Ant Hopalong a NG

>*clown*, hopping up and down threads. <g>

>

><bye>

 

Nothing more juvenile than a a-hole using Mr. needing to announce he

plonked or planked somebody. What a wack job. You ARE related to

Frankie!

Re: Opps I was after Adam Hopalong..

 

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:08:18 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote:

>You have my apology.

>

>Anyway, when you whine like you have whined, I don't have time for you

>anyway.

 

Yet you have plenty of time to make an ass of yourself. Amazing!

Re: Opps I was after Adam Hopalong..

 

<VBG>

Crawl back to you little hole, you little piss ant

Re: Adam Hopalong mama's little piss and rides again.

 

It's not read you little piss ant crawl back to your little hole, piss ant.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:30:27 -0400, "Richard Urban"

<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Drivers - Drivers - Drivers

 

You have a one track mind. This may come as a shock to fanboys, but

not all Windows problems are related to drivers. Otherwise Microsoft's

KnowledgeBase wouldn't be a monument to the countless thousands of

blunders Microsoft made, they had to own up to was oops... sorry, our

mistake.

 

http://support.microsoft.com/search/?spid=8722

The fact remains though that nothing in the ads indicates these

potential problems, and no doubt retailers are happy to sell without

asking, so off goes the customer and tries to upgrade his system which

gets trashed.

 

Now, I have invested in drive trays so a new hard disk is not something

I even think twice about, but the average user probably doesn't find it

that easy to back his stuff up. I do this sort of things quite often, at

home and at work, but can we call someone careless or stupid because

they were not fully aware of what they were risking.

 

xfile wrote:

> Yes, I agree with you.

>

> For newer models, hardware and software vendors do get benefits (or at least

> try to avoid penalities for not being considered) by providing compatiable

> drivers or versions so they could push sales.

>

> And..

>

>> The attitude with many here seems to be one of "Mine's okay so you must

>> either have crap equipment or be stupid or both. This is sad because it

>> damages not only Microsoft but the whole field of "Amateur" computing.

>

> I also resent the above attitude and those persons simply don't know what is

> compassion.

>

> Both sides are rarely thinking from the user's point of view, and if they

> want users to adopt their component (OS in this case), they have to make

> sure that it will work with the systems and solve the problems, and excuses

> are not relevant to or cared by end users.

>

> None will expect 100% compatible and trouble free and that's why we have a

> word called - mainstream.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:28:19 -0700, "xfile"

<cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>Yes, I agree with you.

>

>For newer models, hardware and software vendors do get benefits (or at least

>try to avoid penalities for not being considered) by providing compatiable

>drivers or versions so they could push sales.

>

>And..

>

>> The attitude with many here seems to be one of "Mine's okay so you must

>> either have crap equipment or be stupid or both. This is sad because it

>> damages not only Microsoft but the whole field of "Amateur" computing.

>

>I also resent the above attitude and those persons simply don't know what is

>compassion.

 

You are describing fanboys and MVPs. There isn't one of either camp

that isn't guilty of using this lame excuse over and over.

 

THAT is why I make fun of them. They richly deserve it.