Frank wrote:

> I certainly don't

> consider myself a thief just because I have to activate my software.

> That thought would never even enter my mind!

 

Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief until you prove otherwise. MS

could care less what you think.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> I certainly don't

> consider myself a thief just because I have to activate my software.

> That thought would never even enter my mind!

 

Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief until you prove otherwise. MS

could care less what you think.

 

Alias

Michael, you are sooo right. Vista has a few more graphics and a search

feature on the 'start' button. Whoopee.... My problems involve

peripherals. Most of my scanners, printers, external hard drives, etc.

do NOT work well with 64bit Vista. I even called HP about their products

(I have a 64 bit dv1000 notebook) and they couldn't figure out many of

the Vista issues. I really think companies get upset when MS tells them,

'we want to do this, so you have to too...' I feel companies blame MS

too often, and don't come up with the necessary updates and drivers that

might make all systems and hardware perform optimally. BT

 

 

--

SouthBayBert

Michael, you are sooo right. Vista has a few more graphics and a search

feature on the 'start' button. Whoopee.... My problems involve

peripherals. Most of my scanners, printers, external hard drives, etc.

do NOT work well with 64bit Vista. I even called HP about their products

(I have a 64 bit dv1000 notebook) and they couldn't figure out many of

the Vista issues. I really think companies get upset when MS tells them,

'we want to do this, so you have to too...' I feel companies blame MS

too often, and don't come up with the necessary updates and drivers that

might make all systems and hardware perform optimally. BT

 

 

--

SouthBayBert

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> I certainly don't consider myself a thief just because I have to

>> activate my software. That thought would never even enter my mind!

>

>

> ...Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief...

 

Oh? And they state this in which document? Care to post the URL or usurp

the actual verbiage and post it here? Cause I have never seen MS call me

a thief explicitly or implied in any document, or stated verbally in any

forum. You have this problem, not me and not the millions of others who

use activated software of which MS's is just one of many.

It's your problem unto yourself.

 

until you prove otherwise.

 

Prove otherwise? First they have to call me a thief…which they haven't

done. Nor have they called you a thief. But it’s a moot point with you,

based on your own scenario seeing as how you don't even have Vista

installed and proly never will.

 

MS

> could care less what you think.

 

You mean to say, "couldn't care less"...well...for a company dealing

with the general public that's a rather dumb, ill informed statement

that only shows you have never dealt with the general public nor with a

publically traded company and seem to know little if anything about

marketing.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> I certainly don't consider myself a thief just because I have to

>> activate my software. That thought would never even enter my mind!

>

>

> ...Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief...

 

Oh? And they state this in which document? Care to post the URL or usurp

the actual verbiage and post it here? Cause I have never seen MS call me

a thief explicitly or implied in any document, or stated verbally in any

forum. You have this problem, not me and not the millions of others who

use activated software of which MS's is just one of many.

It's your problem unto yourself.

 

until you prove otherwise.

 

Prove otherwise? First they have to call me a thief…which they haven't

done. Nor have they called you a thief. But it’s a moot point with you,

based on your own scenario seeing as how you don't even have Vista

installed and proly never will.

 

MS

> could care less what you think.

 

You mean to say, "couldn't care less"...well...for a company dealing

with the general public that's a rather dumb, ill informed statement

that only shows you have never dealt with the general public nor with a

publically traded company and seem to know little if anything about

marketing.

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

 

> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run...

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

You're off topic you stupid idiot.

The subject matter is casual pirating, not mass commercial, buying it on

every street corner Chinese pirating.

You're really and truly stupid aren't you?

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

 

> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run...

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

You're off topic you stupid idiot.

The subject matter is casual pirating, not mass commercial, buying it on

every street corner Chinese pirating.

You're really and truly stupid aren't you?

Frank

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:36:31 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.li>

wrote:

>Frank wrote:

>

>> I certainly don't

>> consider myself a thief just because I have to activate my software.

>> That thought would never even enter my mind!

>

>Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief until you prove otherwise. MS

>could care less what you think.

>

>Alias

 

Leave it to Frankie to get it backwards. -)

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:36:31 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.li>

wrote:

>Frank wrote:

>

>> I certainly don't

>> consider myself a thief just because I have to activate my software.

>> That thought would never even enter my mind!

>

>Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief until you prove otherwise. MS

>could care less what you think.

>

>Alias

 

Leave it to Frankie to get it backwards. -)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:20:11 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> I certainly don't consider myself a thief just because I have to

>>> activate my software. That thought would never even enter my mind!

>>

>>

>> ...Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief...

>

>Oh? And they state this in which document? Care to post the URL or usurp

>the actual verbiage and post it here? Cause I have never seen MS call me

>a thief explicitly or implied in any document, or stated verbally in any

>forum. You have this problem, not me and not the millions of others who

>use activated software of which MS's is just one of many.

>It's your problem unto yourself.

 

You're doing it again Frankie. Your lame fallacies are so poorly

constructed you're probably responsible for more beverages spilled

over keyboards than anyone else I know. You're always such a doofus.

 

The whole point of the Microsoft activation scheme is for you to prove

you are a legimate purchaser of Vista. So yes, Microsoft assume you

could be a possible thief unless and until you do provide the required

information. That Microsoft thinks that way is confirmed by Vista like

XP before it getting deactivated automatically if you don't.

 

Now lets discuss your usual bullsh*t. You pretend Alias is suggesting

Microsoft has a web page somewhere calling people a thief. No, but as

I just illustrated they will if you ignore the warnings to activate

the day comes when you no longer will be able to use the OS.

 

You couldn't shove your pointy head any further up Bill Gates rear end

if you tried.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:20:11 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> I certainly don't consider myself a thief just because I have to

>>> activate my software. That thought would never even enter my mind!

>>

>>

>> ...Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief...

>

>Oh? And they state this in which document? Care to post the URL or usurp

>the actual verbiage and post it here? Cause I have never seen MS call me

>a thief explicitly or implied in any document, or stated verbally in any

>forum. You have this problem, not me and not the millions of others who

>use activated software of which MS's is just one of many.

>It's your problem unto yourself.

 

You're doing it again Frankie. Your lame fallacies are so poorly

constructed you're probably responsible for more beverages spilled

over keyboards than anyone else I know. You're always such a doofus.

 

The whole point of the Microsoft activation scheme is for you to prove

you are a legimate purchaser of Vista. So yes, Microsoft assume you

could be a possible thief unless and until you do provide the required

information. That Microsoft thinks that way is confirmed by Vista like

XP before it getting deactivated automatically if you don't.

 

Now lets discuss your usual bullsh*t. You pretend Alias is suggesting

Microsoft has a web page somewhere calling people a thief. No, but as

I just illustrated they will if you ignore the warnings to activate

the day comes when you no longer will be able to use the OS.

 

You couldn't shove your pointy head any further up Bill Gates rear end

if you tried.

* GO:

> Frank wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in India,

>>> all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers, etc. and

>>> you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

>>>

>>> Alias

>> Brilliant!

>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

>> corporations in the world.

>> Absolutely brilliant!

>> Frank

>

> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to casual

> piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are making I'm

> assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group of "pirates" there

> will be a group of those that will not buy the software regardless. This is

> money that MS will never see regardless of what schemes they develop. As

> far as I can see that leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying

> to regain costs from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what

> they are doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is

> continually accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something simpler. Like

> a one-time activation upon installation or simply just educating the user.

 

I agree.

 

DRM cracked again and again and again...... on and on it goes.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=585

http://www.betanews.com/article/Windows_Media_DRM_Cracked_Again/1184602691

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070715-confirmed-microsofts-windows-media-drm-cracked-again.html

 

 

-Michael

* GO:

> Frank wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in India,

>>> all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers, etc. and

>>> you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

>>>

>>> Alias

>> Brilliant!

>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

>> corporations in the world.

>> Absolutely brilliant!

>> Frank

>

> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to casual

> piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are making I'm

> assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group of "pirates" there

> will be a group of those that will not buy the software regardless. This is

> money that MS will never see regardless of what schemes they develop. As

> far as I can see that leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying

> to regain costs from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what

> they are doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is

> continually accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something simpler. Like

> a one-time activation upon installation or simply just educating the user.

 

I agree.

 

DRM cracked again and again and again...... on and on it goes.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=585

http://www.betanews.com/article/Windows_Media_DRM_Cracked_Again/1184602691

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070715-confirmed-microsofts-windows-media-drm-cracked-again.html

 

 

-Michael

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:24:21 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

>> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

>> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

>> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run...

>

>-----------------------------------------------

>

>You're off topic you stupid idiot.

>The subject matter is casual pirating, not mass commercial, buying it on

>every street corner Chinese pirating.

>You're really and truly stupid aren't you?

>Frank

 

Take your foot out of your mouth Frankie, you didn't wash your feet in

over a week. I was referring to casual pirating, numbnuts.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:24:21 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

>> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

>> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

>> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run...

>

>-----------------------------------------------

>

>You're off topic you stupid idiot.

>The subject matter is casual pirating, not mass commercial, buying it on

>every street corner Chinese pirating.

>You're really and truly stupid aren't you?

>Frank

 

Take your foot out of your mouth Frankie, you didn't wash your feet in

over a week. I was referring to casual pirating, numbnuts.

* MICHAEL:

> * GO:

>> Frank wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in India,

>>>> all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers, etc. and

>>>> you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>> Brilliant!

>>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

>>> corporations in the world.

>>> Absolutely brilliant!

>>> Frank

>> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to casual

>> piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are making I'm

>> assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group of "pirates" there

>> will be a group of those that will not buy the software regardless. This is

>> money that MS will never see regardless of what schemes they develop. As

>> far as I can see that leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying

>> to regain costs from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what

>> they are doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is

>> continually accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

>> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something simpler. Like

>> a one-time activation upon installation or simply just educating the user.

>

> I agree.

>

> DRM cracked again and again and again...... on and on it goes.

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=585

> http://www.betanews.com/article/Windows_Media_DRM_Cracked_Again/1184602691

> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070715-confirmed-microsofts-windows-media-drm-cracked-again.html

 

We all know that Vista has been free for the pirates before it was

even released to the general public.

 

The latest DRM crack also works in Vista.

 

 

-Michael

* MICHAEL:

> * GO:

>> Frank wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in India,

>>>> all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers, etc. and

>>>> you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>> Brilliant!

>>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

>>> corporations in the world.

>>> Absolutely brilliant!

>>> Frank

>> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to casual

>> piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are making I'm

>> assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group of "pirates" there

>> will be a group of those that will not buy the software regardless. This is

>> money that MS will never see regardless of what schemes they develop. As

>> far as I can see that leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying

>> to regain costs from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what

>> they are doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is

>> continually accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

>> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something simpler. Like

>> a one-time activation upon installation or simply just educating the user.

>

> I agree.

>

> DRM cracked again and again and again...... on and on it goes.

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=585

> http://www.betanews.com/article/Windows_Media_DRM_Cracked_Again/1184602691

> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070715-confirmed-microsofts-windows-media-drm-cracked-again.html

 

We all know that Vista has been free for the pirates before it was

even released to the general public.

 

The latest DRM crack also works in Vista.

 

 

-Michael

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:43:34 -0500, "GO"

> <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in

>>>> India, all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers,

>>>> etc. and you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Brilliant!

>>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

>>> corporations in the world.

>>> Absolutely brilliant!

>>> Frank

>>

>> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to

>> casual piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are

>> making I'm assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group

>> of "pirates" there will be a group of those that will not buy the

>> software regardless. This is money that MS will never see

>> regardless of what schemes they develop. As far as I can see that

>> leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying to regain costs

>> from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what they are

>> doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is continually

>> accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

>> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something

>> simpler. Like a one-time activation upon installation or simply

>> just educating the user.

>

> You'll have better luck trying to reason with some doorknob than

> Frankie.

>

> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run. Not

> surprising Bill Gates is on record approving of the Chinese masses

> stealing Windows, arguing that if they're going to steal any OS they

> should steal Windows reasoning some day hopefully they will be able to

> afford to buy a copy.

 

Yup. Agreed, on both counts. :)

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:43:34 -0500, "GO"

> <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in

>>>> India, all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers,

>>>> etc. and you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Brilliant!

>>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

>>> corporations in the world.

>>> Absolutely brilliant!

>>> Frank

>>

>> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to

>> casual piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are

>> making I'm assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group

>> of "pirates" there will be a group of those that will not buy the

>> software regardless. This is money that MS will never see

>> regardless of what schemes they develop. As far as I can see that

>> leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying to regain costs

>> from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what they are

>> doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is continually

>> accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

>> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something

>> simpler. Like a one-time activation upon installation or simply

>> just educating the user.

>

> You'll have better luck trying to reason with some doorknob than

> Frankie.

>

> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run. Not

> surprising Bill Gates is on record approving of the Chinese masses

> stealing Windows, arguing that if they're going to steal any OS they

> should steal Windows reasoning some day hopefully they will be able to

> afford to buy a copy.

 

Yup. Agreed, on both counts. :)

Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

> The whole point of the Microsoft activation scheme is for you to prove

> you are a legimate purchaser of Vista.

 

 

Thanks for verifying my point.

 

 

So yes, Microsoft assume you

> could be a possible thief unless and until you do provide the required

> information.

 

 

Nope! Not true. MS assumes you are the legitimate user until you fail to

prove you are not. Sorry but that's not the same thing!

 

That Microsoft thinks that way is confirmed by Vista like

> XP before it getting deactivated automatically if you don't.

 

.. Activation is simply that last step of purchase. No one has called

anyone a thief...no one...like alias wants to have everyone believe.

>

> Now lets discuss your usual bullsh*t. You pretend Alias is suggesting

> Microsoft has a web page somewhere calling people a thief.

 

Can't your read?

He implies that they do, not me. Does he have any proof? Do you? If

someone is making that claim then provide the proof?

Well...?

 

 

No, but as

> I just illustrated they will if you ignore the warnings to activate

> the day comes when you no longer will be able to use the OS.

 

Sorry but you'll have limited access, it's not a complete shutdown. This

stops casual piracy. In no way is MS calling your a thief. If you don't

have a legitimate copy or are trying to be a casual pirate then you will

prove yourself a thief. You will do it to yourself...MS believes you to

be the legitimate user until such tine as you prove otherwise. Which is

the exact opposite of what alias is trying to make people believe and

it's just not true.

>

> You couldn't shove your pointy head any further up Bill Gates rear end

> if you tried.

>

Could you possible have any brains at all in that little pointy head of

yours?

It sure doesn't seem like it!

Frank

 

Oh, btw mr genius...did you ever get your computer configure correctly?

Adam Albright wrote:

>

>

> The whole point of the Microsoft activation scheme is for you to prove

> you are a legimate purchaser of Vista.

 

 

Thanks for verifying my point.

 

 

So yes, Microsoft assume you

> could be a possible thief unless and until you do provide the required

> information.

 

 

Nope! Not true. MS assumes you are the legitimate user until you fail to

prove you are not. Sorry but that's not the same thing!

 

That Microsoft thinks that way is confirmed by Vista like

> XP before it getting deactivated automatically if you don't.

 

.. Activation is simply that last step of purchase. No one has called

anyone a thief...no one...like alias wants to have everyone believe.

>

> Now lets discuss your usual bullsh*t. You pretend Alias is suggesting

> Microsoft has a web page somewhere calling people a thief.

 

Can't your read?

He implies that they do, not me. Does he have any proof? Do you? If

someone is making that claim then provide the proof?

Well...?

 

 

No, but as

> I just illustrated they will if you ignore the warnings to activate

> the day comes when you no longer will be able to use the OS.

 

Sorry but you'll have limited access, it's not a complete shutdown. This

stops casual piracy. In no way is MS calling your a thief. If you don't

have a legitimate copy or are trying to be a casual pirate then you will

prove yourself a thief. You will do it to yourself...MS believes you to

be the legitimate user until such tine as you prove otherwise. Which is

the exact opposite of what alias is trying to make people believe and

it's just not true.

>

> You couldn't shove your pointy head any further up Bill Gates rear end

> if you tried.

>

Could you possible have any brains at all in that little pointy head of

yours?

It sure doesn't seem like it!

Frank

 

Oh, btw mr genius...did you ever get your computer configure correctly?

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:36:31 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.li>

> wrote:

>

>

>>Frank wrote:

>>

>>

>>>I certainly don't

>>>consider myself a thief just because I have to activate my software.

>>>That thought would never even enter my mind!

>>

>>Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief until you prove otherwise. MS

>>could care less what you think.

>>

>>Alias

>

>

> Leave it to Frankie to get it backwards. -)

>

 

Leave to georgie-boy to totally misunderstand what is going on.

Have you always been this lost?

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:36:31 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.li>

> wrote:

>

>

>>Frank wrote:

>>

>>

>>>I certainly don't

>>>consider myself a thief just because I have to activate my software.

>>>That thought would never even enter my mind!

>>

>>Um, it's MS that thinks you're a thief until you prove otherwise. MS

>>could care less what you think.

>>

>>Alias

>

>

> Leave it to Frankie to get it backwards. -)

>

 

Leave to georgie-boy to totally misunderstand what is going on.

Have you always been this lost?

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:24:21 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>

>

>>Adam Albright wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

>>>common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

>>>slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run...

>>

>>-----------------------------------------------

>>

>>You're off topic you stupid idiot.

>>The subject matter is casual pirating, not mass commercial, buying it on

>>every street corner Chinese pirating.

>>You're really and truly stupid aren't you?

>>Frank

>

>

> Take your foot out of your mouth Frankie, you didn't wash your feet in

> over a week. I was referring to casual pirating, numbnuts.

>

Take your pointy head out of your arse for a few seconds and...well go

ahead and leave it there. That's where it's always been and that's where

it belongs.

Frank