In article <46a0b11c$1@newsgate.x-privat.org>,

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

> What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

Alive and well in some countries.

> Now its guilty and you have to prove you are innocent many times a year!

 

Where is that?

> Vista is very aggressive and it calls home way too much... more than XP.

> Now I understand why so many people made a fuss with activation on XP.

> Because it opened the door to all this crap....

 

What do you care if you are legal?

> And now you know what MS said? They will enable the same activation

> technology for other 3rd party products! So if they hurl all the industry

> into this stupid anti-piracy strategy...

> they wont have that many fingers pointing at them alone!

 

Sounds like a good idea. Pirates are whining about it, it must be

working.

> This is sick and this is NOT the way they should have countered the effects

> of piracy.

 

What should they have done? Copy protected DVDs? Been there,

doesn't work. Hardware Dongles? Been there, doesn't work.

> Piracy is not good no.. but monitoring the use of software like this is far

> far far far far worse! FREEDOM above all.

 

Ah yes, the old chestnut "I am enslaved to Microsoft". What a load of

rubbish.

 

Mike

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:38:56 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

wrote:

>Of course there are not two or three like us but millions already enjoying

>Vista. Lots of people who come to list like this either have difficulties

>with whatever system they use or are just finding one aspect of a new system

>a problem. Of course there will always be the trouble makers who want to

>knock MS at every opportunity, but they are just Trolls.

 

This isn't a list. You're posting to a newsgroup, if you realize it or

not. People that take the time to point out what's wrong with a

product and offer offer workarounds aren't trouble makers, they're

providing a public service.

 

People that are easily brainwashed, seems to describe you, often are

clueless Microsoft apologists and gladly accept lame excuses why

Microsoft in over twenty years of trying still hasn't been able to

give the public an initial release of any version of Windows that

wasn't flawed in several areas, desperately needing patches, fixes and

major rewriting which happens six to nine months later in some service

pak. Sorry if reality isn't your thing. Now I return you to your

fantasy world.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:38:56 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>

wrote:

>Of course there are not two or three like us but millions already enjoying

>Vista. Lots of people who come to list like this either have difficulties

>with whatever system they use or are just finding one aspect of a new system

>a problem. Of course there will always be the trouble makers who want to

>knock MS at every opportunity, but they are just Trolls.

 

This isn't a list. You're posting to a newsgroup, if you realize it or

not. People that take the time to point out what's wrong with a

product and offer offer workarounds aren't trouble makers, they're

providing a public service.

 

People that are easily brainwashed, seems to describe you, often are

clueless Microsoft apologists and gladly accept lame excuses why

Microsoft in over twenty years of trying still hasn't been able to

give the public an initial release of any version of Windows that

wasn't flawed in several areas, desperately needing patches, fixes and

major rewriting which happens six to nine months later in some service

pak. Sorry if reality isn't your thing. Now I return you to your

fantasy world.

In article <ggd1a31id2rmm430omqlshge3ircq39jn7@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> Microsoft in over twenty years of trying still hasn't been able to

> give the public an initial release of any version of Windows that

> wasn't flawed in several areas, desperately needing patches, fixes and

> major rewriting which happens six to nine months later in some service

> pak. Sorry if reality isn't your thing.

 

That *is* the reality. Normal people accept it.

> Now I return you to your fantasy world.

 

The fantasy world is trolls like you who expect huge, complex software

packages (such as an OS) that must run on thousands of hardware

configurations all around the world to be perfect and bug free on

initial release.

 

To anyone who has ever written/tested/marketed/supported *any* software

at all, you know this is simply not possible.

 

Mike

In article <ggd1a31id2rmm430omqlshge3ircq39jn7@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

> Microsoft in over twenty years of trying still hasn't been able to

> give the public an initial release of any version of Windows that

> wasn't flawed in several areas, desperately needing patches, fixes and

> major rewriting which happens six to nine months later in some service

> pak. Sorry if reality isn't your thing.

 

That *is* the reality. Normal people accept it.

> Now I return you to your fantasy world.

 

The fantasy world is trolls like you who expect huge, complex software

packages (such as an OS) that must run on thousands of hardware

configurations all around the world to be perfect and bug free on

initial release.

 

To anyone who has ever written/tested/marketed/supported *any* software

at all, you know this is simply not possible.

 

Mike

No Mike.. we dont want perfection...

 

but we DO want something very very very very good!

MS COULD pull it off if there is some company in the world that can.

They had money, they had the time, they had the talent....

 

But they didnt and mostly because of internal structural problems in the

company

and bad leadership. Im not saying that its the average programmers fault

that works in MS that was the reason it sucks so much. Who was in charge of

this fiasco?????

 

MS blew it with vista.... it could have been fantastic! But its just

Crapista!

 

 

"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

news:no-17AA53.09393320072007@news.supernews.com...

> In article <ggd1a31id2rmm430omqlshge3ircq39jn7@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> Microsoft in over twenty years of trying still hasn't been able to

>> give the public an initial release of any version of Windows that

>> wasn't flawed in several areas, desperately needing patches, fixes and

>> major rewriting which happens six to nine months later in some service

>> pak. Sorry if reality isn't your thing.

>

> That *is* the reality. Normal people accept it.

>

>> Now I return you to your fantasy world.

>

> The fantasy world is trolls like you who expect huge, complex software

> packages (such as an OS) that must run on thousands of hardware

> configurations all around the world to be perfect and bug free on

> initial release.

>

> To anyone who has ever written/tested/marketed/supported *any* software

> at all, you know this is simply not possible.

>

> Mike

No Mike.. we dont want perfection...

 

but we DO want something very very very very good!

MS COULD pull it off if there is some company in the world that can.

They had money, they had the time, they had the talent....

 

But they didnt and mostly because of internal structural problems in the

company

and bad leadership. Im not saying that its the average programmers fault

that works in MS that was the reason it sucks so much. Who was in charge of

this fiasco?????

 

MS blew it with vista.... it could have been fantastic! But its just

Crapista!

 

 

"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

news:no-17AA53.09393320072007@news.supernews.com...

> In article <ggd1a31id2rmm430omqlshge3ircq39jn7@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>> Microsoft in over twenty years of trying still hasn't been able to

>> give the public an initial release of any version of Windows that

>> wasn't flawed in several areas, desperately needing patches, fixes and

>> major rewriting which happens six to nine months later in some service

>> pak. Sorry if reality isn't your thing.

>

> That *is* the reality. Normal people accept it.

>

>> Now I return you to your fantasy world.

>

> The fantasy world is trolls like you who expect huge, complex software

> packages (such as an OS) that must run on thousands of hardware

> configurations all around the world to be perfect and bug free on

> initial release.

>

> To anyone who has ever written/tested/marketed/supported *any* software

> at all, you know this is simply not possible.

>

> Mike

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:14:30 -0500, "Robert Firth"

<webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote:

>Wow, what a coincidence, that makes two of us! But if there is two of us

>without problems, maybe there are more! And if there are more, maybe many

>more!

 

My experience, people that claim they have no issues with Vista use

their computer for little more than a decoration on their desk. People

that actually use a computer in a serious work environment have

reported many verified issues with Vista.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:14:30 -0500, "Robert Firth"

<webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote:

>Wow, what a coincidence, that makes two of us! But if there is two of us

>without problems, maybe there are more! And if there are more, maybe many

>more!

 

My experience, people that claim they have no issues with Vista use

their computer for little more than a decoration on their desk. People

that actually use a computer in a serious work environment have

reported many verified issues with Vista.

I back up your experience with mine and what you say is 100% correct!

They are using it either for a very limited number of things or using it as

decoration as you say. Other than that.. its a jungle out there and vista is

falling apart!

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:u0f1a3h1ocv7fb972pimhaf0pct03g2n5j@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:14:30 -0500, "Robert Firth"

> <webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote:

>

>>Wow, what a coincidence, that makes two of us! But if there is two of us

>>without problems, maybe there are more! And if there are more, maybe many

>>more!

>

> My experience, people that claim they have no issues with Vista use

> their computer for little more than a decoration on their desk. People

> that actually use a computer in a serious work environment have

> reported many verified issues with Vista.

>

I back up your experience with mine and what you say is 100% correct!

They are using it either for a very limited number of things or using it as

decoration as you say. Other than that.. its a jungle out there and vista is

falling apart!

 

 

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

news:u0f1a3h1ocv7fb972pimhaf0pct03g2n5j@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:14:30 -0500, "Robert Firth"

> <webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote:

>

>>Wow, what a coincidence, that makes two of us! But if there is two of us

>>without problems, maybe there are more! And if there are more, maybe many

>>more!

>

> My experience, people that claim they have no issues with Vista use

> their computer for little more than a decoration on their desk. People

> that actually use a computer in a serious work environment have

> reported many verified issues with Vista.

>

In article <46a0bc6e$1@newsgate.x-privat.org>,

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

> No Mike.. we dont want perfection...

>

> but we DO want something very very very very good!

 

We have that. We have Vista now, and the "superb" XP before it.

 

Mike

In article <46a0bc6e$1@newsgate.x-privat.org>,

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

> No Mike.. we dont want perfection...

>

> but we DO want something very very very very good!

 

We have that. We have Vista now, and the "superb" XP before it.

 

Mike

Alias wrote:

> Henry wrote:

>> Really!

>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>

> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>

> Alias

 

 

I don't know what those abbreviations stand for. We have some

custom software interfaces to medical devices developed for us

years ago. Under Vista, they continue to work fine.

Alias wrote:

> Henry wrote:

>> Really!

>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>

> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>

> Alias

 

 

I don't know what those abbreviations stand for. We have some

custom software interfaces to medical devices developed for us

years ago. Under Vista, they continue to work fine.

Henry wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Henry wrote:

>>

>>> Really!

>>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>>

>>

>> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>>

>> Alias

>

>

>

> I don't know what those abbreviations stand for. We have some custom

> software interfaces to medical devices developed for us years ago. Under

> Vista, they continue to work fine.

 

Henry, alias does not have Vista installed so he has no real "seat time"

using it.

He's a lying linux troll and has no creditability at all.

Pay no attention to him.

Frank

Henry wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Henry wrote:

>>

>>> Really!

>>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>>

>>

>> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>>

>> Alias

>

>

>

> I don't know what those abbreviations stand for. We have some custom

> software interfaces to medical devices developed for us years ago. Under

> Vista, they continue to work fine.

 

Henry, alias does not have Vista installed so he has no real "seat time"

using it.

He's a lying linux troll and has no creditability at all.

Pay no attention to him.

Frank

You have that backward, junior. A troll comes into a Vista newsgroup to

badmouth Microsoft and Vista and preach some other OS. Sound familiar?

 

Allow me to introduce myself. My screenname is KristleBawl and I don't have

any problems with Vista, and I not only don't hate it but I'm honestly quite

fond of it.

 

Spread your hatred somewhere else. People come here to get help solving

Vista issues, or to help others solve their problems, not to listen to a

bunch of whiny wannabees cry in their Gerber's because some third-party game

won't run on Vista.

 

WHAAAAAAHHH!

 

"carl feredeck" wrote in message news:46a08be5@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> there are millions that have trouble with vista, in fact I don't know

> anyone who doesn't have problems with vista or doesn't hate it.

>

> You are a troll... since you want to extrapolate your lousy observations

> to the whole world!

>

> GET LOST ALREADY!!!

You have that backward, junior. A troll comes into a Vista newsgroup to

badmouth Microsoft and Vista and preach some other OS. Sound familiar?

 

Allow me to introduce myself. My screenname is KristleBawl and I don't have

any problems with Vista, and I not only don't hate it but I'm honestly quite

fond of it.

 

Spread your hatred somewhere else. People come here to get help solving

Vista issues, or to help others solve their problems, not to listen to a

bunch of whiny wannabees cry in their Gerber's because some third-party game

won't run on Vista.

 

WHAAAAAAHHH!

 

"carl feredeck" wrote in message news:46a08be5@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> there are millions that have trouble with vista, in fact I don't know

> anyone who doesn't have problems with vista or doesn't hate it.

>

> You are a troll... since you want to extrapolate your lousy observations

> to the whole world!

>

> GET LOST ALREADY!!!

Mike wrote:

> In article <46a0bc6e$1@newsgate.x-privat.org>,

> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>

>> No Mike.. we dont want perfection...

>>

>> but we DO want something very very very very good!

>

> We have that. We have Vista now, and the "superb" XP before it.

>

> Mike

 

All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call

Public Beta before they were ready for prime time. You are a public beta

tester and, what's ironic, you paid MS for the privilege and, even so,

you will be accused of piracy by Vista until you prove otherwise over

and over and over again.

 

Alias

Mike wrote:

> In article <46a0bc6e$1@newsgate.x-privat.org>,

> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>

>> No Mike.. we dont want perfection...

>>

>> but we DO want something very very very very good!

>

> We have that. We have Vista now, and the "superb" XP before it.

>

> Mike

 

All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call

Public Beta before they were ready for prime time. You are a public beta

tester and, what's ironic, you paid MS for the privilege and, even so,

you will be accused of piracy by Vista until you prove otherwise over

and over and over again.

 

Alias

Henry wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Henry wrote:

>>> Really!

>>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>>

>> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> I don't know what those abbreviations stand for.

 

Microsoft would just as soon you didn't know.

 

WPA: Windows Product Activation

 

WGA: Windows Genuine Advantage

 

DRM: Digital Rights Management.

 

Alias

Henry wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Henry wrote:

>>> Really!

>>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>>

>> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> I don't know what those abbreviations stand for.

 

Microsoft would just as soon you didn't know.

 

WPA: Windows Product Activation

 

WGA: Windows Genuine Advantage

 

DRM: Digital Rights Management.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Henry wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Henry wrote:

>>>

>>>> Really!

>>>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>>>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>>>

>>>

>>> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>>

>> I don't know what those abbreviations stand for. We have some custom

>> software interfaces to medical devices developed for us years ago.

>> Under Vista, they continue to work fine.

>

> Henry, alias does not have Vista installed so he has no real "seat time"

> using it.

 

A lie.

> He's a lying linux troll and has no creditability at all.

 

Another lie.

> Pay no attention to him.

> Frank

 

You mean like you don't pay any attention to me?

 

LOL!

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Henry wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Henry wrote:

>>>

>>>> Really!

>>>> No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works perfectly

>>>> including my old custom stuff from W95 days.

>>>

>>>

>>> Really? They got rid of WPA, DRM and WGA?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>>

>> I don't know what those abbreviations stand for. We have some custom

>> software interfaces to medical devices developed for us years ago.

>> Under Vista, they continue to work fine.

>

> Henry, alias does not have Vista installed so he has no real "seat time"

> using it.

 

A lie.

> He's a lying linux troll and has no creditability at all.

 

Another lie.

> Pay no attention to him.

> Frank

 

You mean like you don't pay any attention to me?

 

LOL!

 

Alias