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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>

> ......It's MUCH easier than Windows to install....

>

> -----------------------------------------------------

>

> BS liar!

 

Not BS.

> Sorry pal, but that's one big lie!

> Frank

 

Sorry, pay, but you're wrong (again)

 

On this very computer, it took me a couple of days to install Windows

XP, Office and all my programs. Ubuntu took less than three hours,

including all the updates, programs, Beryl, gDesklets, etc.

 

Just because you're too stoopid to install Ubuntu doesn't mean that

everyone is as much a lamer as you are.

 

Alias

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    Alias wrote:

    > here@home.again wrote:

    >

    >> "Alias" vowed...

    >>

    >>> It's common knowledge that that's been cracked.

    >>>

    >>> Snip the usual unfounded insults.

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >> Common knowledge?

    >

    >

    > For those in the know, obviously not you.

    >

    >> You mean you read it in someone's blog? On the Internet?

    >

    >

    > No.

    >

    >> The same place that stores Wiki's and blonde jokes? I became an

    >> ordained minister online with just a printer! Anyone that believes

    >> half the garbage posted by other idiots online should buy time shares

    >> online, too. Dense!

    >>

    >

    > I've personally seen a copy of a cracked Vista. No activation needed.

    > Sooo, once again, sigh, the only people inconvenienced by WPA and WGA

    > are paying customers and the pirates just laugh.

    >

    > It didn't stop the pirates with XP, OS or Office, and it isn't stopping

    > them with Vista.

    >

    > Alias

     

    You're wrong! Like it or not, it's stopping casual pirates which is

    exactly what it's supposed to do.

    Frank

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    Alias wrote:

    > here@home.again wrote:

    >

    >> "Alias" vowed...

    >>

    >>> It's common knowledge that that's been cracked.

    >>>

    >>> Snip the usual unfounded insults.

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >> Common knowledge?

    >

    >

    > For those in the know, obviously not you.

    >

    >> You mean you read it in someone's blog? On the Internet?

    >

    >

    > No.

    >

    >> The same place that stores Wiki's and blonde jokes? I became an

    >> ordained minister online with just a printer! Anyone that believes

    >> half the garbage posted by other idiots online should buy time shares

    >> online, too. Dense!

    >>

    >

    > I've personally seen a copy of a cracked Vista. No activation needed.

    > Sooo, once again, sigh, the only people inconvenienced by WPA and WGA

    > are paying customers and the pirates just laugh.

    >

    > It didn't stop the pirates with XP, OS or Office, and it isn't stopping

    > them with Vista.

    >

    > Alias

     

    You're wrong! Like it or not, it's stopping casual pirates which is

    exactly what it's supposed to do.

    Frank

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    Alias wrote:

    > Frank wrote:

    >

    >> Alias wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >> ......It's MUCH easier than Windows to install....

    >>

    >> -----------------------------------------------------

    >>

    >> BS liar!

    >

    >

    > Not BS.

    >

    >> Sorry pal, but that's one big lie!

    >> Frank

    >

    >

    > Sorry, pay, but you're wrong (again)

    >

    > On this very computer, it took me a couple of days to install Windows

    > XP, Office and all my programs. Ubuntu took less than three hours,

    > including all the updates, programs, Beryl, gDesklets, etc.

    >

    > Just because you're too stoopid to install Ubuntu doesn't mean that

    > everyone is as much a lamer as you are.

    >

    > Alias

     

    Don't change the subject. Installing the OS is the subject matter.

    Nothing is easier to install than Vista...nothing.

    Oh...sorry, I forgot you've never installed Vista so how would you even

    know...lol!

    Frank

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    Alias wrote:

    > Frank wrote:

    >

    >> Alias wrote:

    >>

    >>

    >> ......It's MUCH easier than Windows to install....

    >>

    >> -----------------------------------------------------

    >>

    >> BS liar!

    >

    >

    > Not BS.

    >

    >> Sorry pal, but that's one big lie!

    >> Frank

    >

    >

    > Sorry, pay, but you're wrong (again)

    >

    > On this very computer, it took me a couple of days to install Windows

    > XP, Office and all my programs. Ubuntu took less than three hours,

    > including all the updates, programs, Beryl, gDesklets, etc.

    >

    > Just because you're too stoopid to install Ubuntu doesn't mean that

    > everyone is as much a lamer as you are.

    >

    > Alias

     

    Don't change the subject. Installing the OS is the subject matter.

    Nothing is easier to install than Vista...nothing.

    Oh...sorry, I forgot you've never installed Vista so how would you even

    know...lol!

    Frank

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    Frank wrote:

    > Alias wrote:

    >> here@home.again wrote:

    >>

    >>> "Alias" vowed...

    >>>

    >>>> It's common knowledge that that's been cracked.

    >>>>

    >>>> Snip the usual unfounded insults.

    >>>>

    >>>> Alias

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Common knowledge?

    >>

    >>

    >> For those in the know, obviously not you.

    >>

    >>> You mean you read it in someone's blog? On the Internet?

    >>

    >>

    >> No.

    >>

    >>> The same place that stores Wiki's and blonde jokes? I became an

    >>> ordained minister online with just a printer! Anyone that believes

    >>> half the garbage posted by other idiots online should buy time shares

    >>> online, too. Dense!

    >>>

    >>

    >> I've personally seen a copy of a cracked Vista. No activation needed.

    >> Sooo, once again, sigh, the only people inconvenienced by WPA and WGA

    >> are paying customers and the pirates just laugh.

    >>

    >> It didn't stop the pirates with XP, OS or Office, and it isn't

    >> stopping them with Vista.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    > You're wrong! Like it or not, it's stopping casual pirates which is

    > exactly what it's supposed to do.

    > Frank

     

    Assuming all your paying customers are thieves until they activate and

    genuinize themselves otherwise is very stupid PR and your support for it

    is even more stupid. But, then again, your posts don't show much

    intelligence so the dots are easy to connect.

     

    I just visited a neighbor of mine and he told me that he would never,

    ever get Vista and so I installed Ubuntu for him and he loves it. He's

    got over a hundred contacts all over the world through IM that he told

    me he will tell about Ubuntu and get them to try it too. When was the

    last time you saw this kind of enthusiasm for Windows, 95?

     

    Why is this news? Because for the first time in history, there's an OS

    that anyone except you can install and use besides Mac that is giving

    competition to MS. Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

     

    Alias

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    Frank wrote:

    > Alias wrote:

    >> here@home.again wrote:

    >>

    >>> "Alias" vowed...

    >>>

    >>>> It's common knowledge that that's been cracked.

    >>>>

    >>>> Snip the usual unfounded insults.

    >>>>

    >>>> Alias

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Common knowledge?

    >>

    >>

    >> For those in the know, obviously not you.

    >>

    >>> You mean you read it in someone's blog? On the Internet?

    >>

    >>

    >> No.

    >>

    >>> The same place that stores Wiki's and blonde jokes? I became an

    >>> ordained minister online with just a printer! Anyone that believes

    >>> half the garbage posted by other idiots online should buy time shares

    >>> online, too. Dense!

    >>>

    >>

    >> I've personally seen a copy of a cracked Vista. No activation needed.

    >> Sooo, once again, sigh, the only people inconvenienced by WPA and WGA

    >> are paying customers and the pirates just laugh.

    >>

    >> It didn't stop the pirates with XP, OS or Office, and it isn't

    >> stopping them with Vista.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    > You're wrong! Like it or not, it's stopping casual pirates which is

    > exactly what it's supposed to do.

    > Frank

     

    Assuming all your paying customers are thieves until they activate and

    genuinize themselves otherwise is very stupid PR and your support for it

    is even more stupid. But, then again, your posts don't show much

    intelligence so the dots are easy to connect.

     

    I just visited a neighbor of mine and he told me that he would never,

    ever get Vista and so I installed Ubuntu for him and he loves it. He's

    got over a hundred contacts all over the world through IM that he told

    me he will tell about Ubuntu and get them to try it too. When was the

    last time you saw this kind of enthusiasm for Windows, 95?

     

    Why is this news? Because for the first time in history, there's an OS

    that anyone except you can install and use besides Mac that is giving

    competition to MS. Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

     

    Alias

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    Frank wrote:

    > Alias wrote:

    >

    >> Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>> Alias wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> ......It's MUCH easier than Windows to install....

    >>>

    >>> -----------------------------------------------------

    >>>

    >>> BS liar!

    >>

    >>

    >> Not BS.

    >>

    >>> Sorry pal, but that's one big lie!

    >>> Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> Sorry, pay, but you're wrong (again)

    >>

    >> On this very computer, it took me a couple of days to install Windows

    >> XP, Office and all my programs. Ubuntu took less than three hours,

    >> including all the updates, programs, Beryl, gDesklets, etc.

    >>

    >> Just because you're too stoopid to install Ubuntu doesn't mean that

    >> everyone is as much a lamer as you are.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    > Don't change the subject. Installing the OS is the subject matter.

    > Nothing is easier to install than Vista...nothing.

     

    False.

    > Oh...sorry, I forgot you've never installed Vista so how would you even

    > know...lol!

    > Frank

     

    No driver here, no driver there, no quick books here, no Adobe there.

    Puhlease, Vista won't be easy to install until at least SP1 if not SP2.

    Even rigs that come with Vista pre-installed have problems right out of

    the box. A friend of mine bought a lap top with Vista. He looked at it

    and shut down. He tried to boot it up again and, lo and behold, a BSOD.

    He's disgusted and went to download Ubuntu.

     

    Oops.

     

    Alias

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    Frank wrote:

    > Alias wrote:

    >

    >> Frank wrote:

    >>

    >>> Alias wrote:

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> ......It's MUCH easier than Windows to install....

    >>>

    >>> -----------------------------------------------------

    >>>

    >>> BS liar!

    >>

    >>

    >> Not BS.

    >>

    >>> Sorry pal, but that's one big lie!

    >>> Frank

    >>

    >>

    >> Sorry, pay, but you're wrong (again)

    >>

    >> On this very computer, it took me a couple of days to install Windows

    >> XP, Office and all my programs. Ubuntu took less than three hours,

    >> including all the updates, programs, Beryl, gDesklets, etc.

    >>

    >> Just because you're too stoopid to install Ubuntu doesn't mean that

    >> everyone is as much a lamer as you are.

    >>

    >> Alias

    >

    > Don't change the subject. Installing the OS is the subject matter.

    > Nothing is easier to install than Vista...nothing.

     

    False.

    > Oh...sorry, I forgot you've never installed Vista so how would you even

    > know...lol!

    > Frank

     

    No driver here, no driver there, no quick books here, no Adobe there.

    Puhlease, Vista won't be easy to install until at least SP1 if not SP2.

    Even rigs that come with Vista pre-installed have problems right out of

    the box. A friend of mine bought a lap top with Vista. He looked at it

    and shut down. He tried to boot it up again and, lo and behold, a BSOD.

    He's disgusted and went to download Ubuntu.

     

    Oops.

     

    Alias

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    Alias wrote:

     

    >

    >

    > Assuming all your paying customers are thieves until they activate and

    > genuinize themselves otherwise is very stupid PR and your support for it

    > is even more stupid.

     

    Ok, lets put your "thief theory" to it final rest and be done with it,

    once and for all.

    When you purchase a car, a house, a motorcycle, etc., you're given a

    physical key. When you open a bank account you're given a numerical key

    that identifies your account. When you purchase software for use, you're

    given a CD key. None of these "keys" come with any warning stating that

    you are considered a "thief" until such time as you prove otherwise. And

    you must use all of these keys, EXCEPT THE SOFTWARE KEYS, each and every

    time you use your car, motorcycle, enter your house, or access your bank

    account, correct? None of them...in any way, shape or form, label or

    calls you a thief each time you use them, correct?

    So your bullsh*t theory (and it is yours alone. You own it!) is nothing

    more than a bullsh*t self imagined ignorant theory and it is totally

    meaningless!

    Unless of course, you are a thief!

     

     

    But, then again, your posts don't show much

    > intelligence so the dots are easy to connect.

     

    Connecting any dots of the truth seems to be a real problems for you.

    >

    > I just visited a neighbor of mine and he told me that he would never,

    > ever get Vista and so I installed Ubuntu for him and he loves it. He's

    > got over a hundred contacts all over the world through IM that he told

    > me he will tell about Ubuntu and get them to try it too. When was the

    > last time you saw this kind of enthusiasm for Windows, 95?

     

    I'm real happy for you and him!

    >

    > Why is this news? Because for the first time in history, there's an OS

    > that anyone except you can install...

     

     

    Ut,ut,ut...lying again alias. I've used linux long before you've ever

    even heard of it. You're only making a stupid fool out of yourself by

    saying that. But don't let me stand in your way of making a fool out of

    yourself. You're very good at ti!

     

    and use besides Mac that is giving

    > competition to MS.

     

    It is? Nope, wrong again.

     

    Vista use grows as Mac OS X stays flat

     

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9027558&taxonomyId=125

     

     

    Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

     

     

    Wrong again! That statement only points our your real ignorance about

    linux. Ubnutu is no great advancement to the linux cause. It's only that

    you've just now discovered it so it's new and exciting to you.

    It's no big deal!

    Grow up.

    Frank

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    Alias wrote:

     

    >

    >

    > Assuming all your paying customers are thieves until they activate and

    > genuinize themselves otherwise is very stupid PR and your support for it

    > is even more stupid.

     

    Ok, lets put your "thief theory" to it final rest and be done with it,

    once and for all.

    When you purchase a car, a house, a motorcycle, etc., you're given a

    physical key. When you open a bank account you're given a numerical key

    that identifies your account. When you purchase software for use, you're

    given a CD key. None of these "keys" come with any warning stating that

    you are considered a "thief" until such time as you prove otherwise. And

    you must use all of these keys, EXCEPT THE SOFTWARE KEYS, each and every

    time you use your car, motorcycle, enter your house, or access your bank

    account, correct? None of them...in any way, shape or form, label or

    calls you a thief each time you use them, correct?

    So your bullsh*t theory (and it is yours alone. You own it!) is nothing

    more than a bullsh*t self imagined ignorant theory and it is totally

    meaningless!

    Unless of course, you are a thief!

     

     

    But, then again, your posts don't show much

    > intelligence so the dots are easy to connect.

     

    Connecting any dots of the truth seems to be a real problems for you.

    >

    > I just visited a neighbor of mine and he told me that he would never,

    > ever get Vista and so I installed Ubuntu for him and he loves it. He's

    > got over a hundred contacts all over the world through IM that he told

    > me he will tell about Ubuntu and get them to try it too. When was the

    > last time you saw this kind of enthusiasm for Windows, 95?

     

    I'm real happy for you and him!

    >

    > Why is this news? Because for the first time in history, there's an OS

    > that anyone except you can install...

     

     

    Ut,ut,ut...lying again alias. I've used linux long before you've ever

    even heard of it. You're only making a stupid fool out of yourself by

    saying that. But don't let me stand in your way of making a fool out of

    yourself. You're very good at ti!

     

    and use besides Mac that is giving

    > competition to MS.

     

    It is? Nope, wrong again.

     

    Vista use grows as Mac OS X stays flat

     

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9027558&taxonomyId=125

     

     

    Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

     

     

    Wrong again! That statement only points our your real ignorance about

    linux. Ubnutu is no great advancement to the linux cause. It's only that

    you've just now discovered it so it's new and exciting to you.

    It's no big deal!

    Grow up.

    Frank

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    Alias wrote:

    > Frank wrote:

    >

    >> Alias wrote:

    >>

    >>> Frank wrote:

    >>>

    >>>> Alias wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> ......It's MUCH easier than Windows to install....

    >>>>

    >>>> -----------------------------------------------------

    >>>>

    >>>> BS liar!

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Not BS.

    >>>

    >>>> Sorry pal, but that's one big lie!

    >>>> Frank

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Sorry, pay, but you're wrong (again)

    >>>

    >>> On this very computer, it took me a couple of days to install Windows

    >>> XP, Office and all my programs. Ubuntu took less than three hours,

    >>> including all the updates, programs, Beryl, gDesklets, etc.

    >>>

    >>> Just because you're too stoopid to install Ubuntu doesn't mean that

    >>> everyone is as much a lamer as you are.

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>

    >>

    >> Don't change the subject. Installing the OS is the subject matter.

    >> Nothing is easier to install than Vista...nothing.

    >

    >

    > False.

    >

    >> Oh...sorry, I forgot you've never installed Vista so how would you

    >> even know...lol!

    >> Frank

    >

    >

    > No driver here, no driver there, no quick books here, no Adobe there.

    > Puhlease, Vista won't be easy to install until at least SP1 if not SP2.

    > Even rigs that come with Vista pre-installed have problems right out of

    > the box. A friend of mine bought a lap top with Vista. He looked at it

    > and shut down. He tried to boot it up again and, lo and behold, a BSOD.

    > He's disgusted and went to download Ubuntu.

    >

    > Oops.

    >

    > Alias

     

     

    Oops?

    You don't have Vista...you've never installed Vista...you don't know

    what you're talking about.

    Oops!!!

    Frank

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    Alias wrote:

    > Frank wrote:

    >

    >> Alias wrote:

    >>

    >>> Frank wrote:

    >>>

    >>>> Alias wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>

    >>>> ......It's MUCH easier than Windows to install....

    >>>>

    >>>> -----------------------------------------------------

    >>>>

    >>>> BS liar!

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Not BS.

    >>>

    >>>> Sorry pal, but that's one big lie!

    >>>> Frank

    >>>

    >>>

    >>>

    >>> Sorry, pay, but you're wrong (again)

    >>>

    >>> On this very computer, it took me a couple of days to install Windows

    >>> XP, Office and all my programs. Ubuntu took less than three hours,

    >>> including all the updates, programs, Beryl, gDesklets, etc.

    >>>

    >>> Just because you're too stoopid to install Ubuntu doesn't mean that

    >>> everyone is as much a lamer as you are.

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>

    >>

    >> Don't change the subject. Installing the OS is the subject matter.

    >> Nothing is easier to install than Vista...nothing.

    >

    >

    > False.

    >

    >> Oh...sorry, I forgot you've never installed Vista so how would you

    >> even know...lol!

    >> Frank

    >

    >

    > No driver here, no driver there, no quick books here, no Adobe there.

    > Puhlease, Vista won't be easy to install until at least SP1 if not SP2.

    > Even rigs that come with Vista pre-installed have problems right out of

    > the box. A friend of mine bought a lap top with Vista. He looked at it

    > and shut down. He tried to boot it up again and, lo and behold, a BSOD.

    > He's disgusted and went to download Ubuntu.

    >

    > Oops.

    >

    > Alias

     

     

    Oops?

    You don't have Vista...you've never installed Vista...you don't know

    what you're talking about.

    Oops!!!

    Frank

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    "Frank" <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote in message

    news:eojeMfizHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    > Vista use grows as Mac OS X stays flat

    >

    > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9027558&taxonomyId=125

    >

    >

    > Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

     

    It still isn't. Linux is still below 0%.

     

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

     

    The same numbers quoted in the above Computerworld article. I've been

    quoting these numbers for years, but of course the Linux Loonies *always*

    deny them. Funny how no one else denies them.

     

    Mike

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    "Frank" <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote in message

    news:eojeMfizHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

    > Vista use grows as Mac OS X stays flat

    >

    > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9027558&taxonomyId=125

    >

    >

    > Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

     

    It still isn't. Linux is still below 0%.

     

    http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

     

    The same numbers quoted in the above Computerworld article. I've been

    quoting these numbers for years, but of course the Linux Loonies *always*

    deny them. Funny how no one else denies them.

     

    Mike

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    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

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    > I just visited a neighbor of mine and he told me that he would never, ever

    > get Vista and so I installed Ubuntu for him and he loves it. He's got over

    > a hundred contacts all over the world through IM that he told me he will

    > tell about Ubuntu and get them to try it too. When was the last time you

    > saw this kind of enthusiasm for Windows, 95?

    >

    > Why is this news? Because for the first time in history, there's an OS

    > that anyone except you can install and use besides Mac that is giving

    > competition to MS. Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

    >

    > Alias

     

    This is the same old story every Linux Looney has been littering the

    internet with for years.

    Hasn't happened, and simply will NEVER happen. Watch in 2 years your going

    to hear someone say "Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently" again

    and again year after year.

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    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

    news:%233Z5E%23hzHHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    > I just visited a neighbor of mine and he told me that he would never, ever

    > get Vista and so I installed Ubuntu for him and he loves it. He's got over

    > a hundred contacts all over the world through IM that he told me he will

    > tell about Ubuntu and get them to try it too. When was the last time you

    > saw this kind of enthusiasm for Windows, 95?

    >

    > Why is this news? Because for the first time in history, there's an OS

    > that anyone except you can install and use besides Mac that is giving

    > competition to MS. Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently.

    >

    > Alias

     

    This is the same old story every Linux Looney has been littering the

    internet with for years.

    Hasn't happened, and simply will NEVER happen. Watch in 2 years your going

    to hear someone say "Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently" again

    and again year after year.

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    "Gary" <Gary@somewhere.usa> wrote in message

    news:uRcDwpizHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    > This is the same old story every Linux Looney has been littering the

    > internet with for years.

    > Hasn't happened, and simply will NEVER happen. Watch in 2 years your going

    > to hear someone say "Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently"

    > again and again year after year.

     

    Yep. Every year since 2002 has been "the year of LOTD"! Every year

    brings THE "distro" that is going to do it. Last year it was Ubuntu.

    This year it's PCLinuxOS. Next year it will be something else.

     

    Mike

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    "Gary" <Gary@somewhere.usa> wrote in message

    news:uRcDwpizHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    > This is the same old story every Linux Looney has been littering the

    > internet with for years.

    > Hasn't happened, and simply will NEVER happen. Watch in 2 years your going

    > to hear someone say "Linux wasn't ready for the masses until recently"

    > again and again year after year.

     

    Yep. Every year since 2002 has been "the year of LOTD"! Every year

    brings THE "distro" that is going to do it. Last year it was Ubuntu.

    This year it's PCLinuxOS. Next year it will be something else.

     

    Mike

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    GO wrote:

    > Adam Albright wrote:

    >> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:43:34 -0500, "GO"

    >> <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

    >>

    >>> Frank wrote:

    >>>> Alias wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in

    >>>>> India, all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers,

    >>>>> etc. and you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Alias

    >>>> Brilliant!

    >>>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

    >>>> corporations in the world.

    >>>> Absolutely brilliant!

    >>>> Frank

    >>> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to

    >>> casual piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are

    >>> making I'm assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group

    >>> of "pirates" there will be a group of those that will not buy the

    >>> software regardless. This is money that MS will never see

    >>> regardless of what schemes they develop. As far as I can see that

    >>> leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying to regain costs

    >>> from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what they are

    >>> doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is continually

    >>> accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

    >>> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something

    >>> simpler. Like a one-time activation upon installation or simply

    >>> just educating the user.

    >> You'll have better luck trying to reason with some doorknob than

    >> Frankie.

    >>

    >> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

    >> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

    >> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run. Not

    >> surprising Bill Gates is on record approving of the Chinese masses

    >> stealing Windows, arguing that if they're going to steal any OS they

    >> should steal Windows reasoning some day hopefully they will be able to

    >> afford to buy a copy.

    >

    > Yup. Agreed, on both counts. :)

    >

    >

    >

     

     

     

    If people in the third world get Vista cheap they will become Windows

    "Users" and may go on to become Windows developers / vendors / whatever.

     

    If the anti piracy measures work they won't "Buy" Windows they will

    either get better at stealing or adopt an alternative. As Frank pointed

    out there is a business motive here, and it is not to stop (say) the

    Chinese from pirating Windows, it is to extract the maximum from the

    already "Captive" user base here and in Europe. I get spam all the time

    offering Vista cheap and much of it from .TW an similar domains. $79 for

    Ultimate I think it was.

     

    MS not only can't stop them they don't really profit by stopping them,

    at least not until the growing base of savvy users has a copy and gets

    used to it. Wouldn't want them getting used to Ububtu now would we? :)

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    GO wrote:

    > Adam Albright wrote:

    >> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:43:34 -0500, "GO"

    >> <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

    >>

    >>> Frank wrote:

    >>>> Alias wrote:

    >>>>

    >>>>> Compare that to the ongoing activation costs like the seats in

    >>>>> India, all the activation servers. The WPA and WGA programmers,

    >>>>> etc. and you're better off assuming your customers are honest.

    >>>>>

    >>>>> Alias

    >>>> Brilliant!

    >>>> Now you're making business decisions for one of the most successful

    >>>> corporations in the world.

    >>>> Absolutely brilliant!

    >>>> Frank

    >>> I'm curious, do you actually doubt the logic here? The loss due to

    >>> casual piracy is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they are

    >>> making I'm assuming you'll agree to that. Out of that same group

    >>> of "pirates" there will be a group of those that will not buy the

    >>> software regardless. This is money that MS will never see

    >>> regardless of what schemes they develop. As far as I can see that

    >>> leaves you with one type of pirate that MS is trying to regain costs

    >>> from: those that are ignorant (ie they do not realize what they are

    >>> doing is wrong). So rather than having a system that is continually

    >>> accusing that their honest customers are crooks, and all the

    >>> initial/ongoing costs of WPA/WGA why not implement something

    >>> simpler. Like a one-time activation upon installation or simply

    >>> just educating the user.

    >> You'll have better luck trying to reason with some doorknob than

    >> Frankie.

    >>

    >> I've seen several studies covering two areas were "pirating" is

    >> common, software and music. The studies conclude that the piracy has a

    >> slight impact all right... it INCREASES sales in the long run. Not

    >> surprising Bill Gates is on record approving of the Chinese masses

    >> stealing Windows, arguing that if they're going to steal any OS they

    >> should steal Windows reasoning some day hopefully they will be able to

    >> afford to buy a copy.

    >

    > Yup. Agreed, on both counts. :)

    >

    >

    >

     

     

     

    If people in the third world get Vista cheap they will become Windows

    "Users" and may go on to become Windows developers / vendors / whatever.

     

    If the anti piracy measures work they won't "Buy" Windows they will

    either get better at stealing or adopt an alternative. As Frank pointed

    out there is a business motive here, and it is not to stop (say) the

    Chinese from pirating Windows, it is to extract the maximum from the

    already "Captive" user base here and in Europe. I get spam all the time

    offering Vista cheap and much of it from .TW an similar domains. $79 for

    Ultimate I think it was.

     

    MS not only can't stop them they don't really profit by stopping them,

    at least not until the growing base of savvy users has a copy and gets

    used to it. Wouldn't want them getting used to Ububtu now would we? :)

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    Frank wrote:

    > here@home.again wrote:

    >

    >> "Alias" showed his hand...

    >>

    >>> The ONLY people who have to prove they're not a thief are paying

    >>> customers. Not one cracked version of XP or Vista needs activation

    >>> you moron!

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >> You're assuming Vista works without activation. Either you don't

    >> know and just think so because someone else says so, or you _are_ a

    >> thief. Plain and simple, even for you.

    >>

    >>

    > hehehe...good one! :-)

    > Frank

     

    Oh yeah....real good one. There's any number of ways to know Vista works

    without activation without actually having a copy yourself.

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    Frank wrote:

    > here@home.again wrote:

    >

    >> "Alias" showed his hand...

    >>

    >>> The ONLY people who have to prove they're not a thief are paying

    >>> customers. Not one cracked version of XP or Vista needs activation

    >>> you moron!

    >>>

    >>> Alias

    >>

    >>

    >>

    >> You're assuming Vista works without activation. Either you don't

    >> know and just think so because someone else says so, or you _are_ a

    >> thief. Plain and simple, even for you.

    >>

    >>

    > hehehe...good one! :-)

    > Frank

     

    Oh yeah....real good one. There's any number of ways to know Vista works

    without activation without actually having a copy yourself.

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    here@home.again wrote:

    > "MICHAEL" explined...

    >> Over 90% of Microsoft OS sales are OEM. The vast majority

    >> of those sales are to the big guys. Most users get the OS as

    >> part of a new computer. So, it seems most of Microsoft's

    >> anti-piracy schemes are aimed at those who buy the OS retail.

    >> Out of that small percentage- how many of those folks are

    >> thieves? All these resources aimed at a very small percentage

    >> of users, and these schemes have done absolutely nothing to

    >> stop the real pirates..... nothing. ROI.

    >>

    >> Over a year ago, I stopped at this First Union Bank (now Wachovia).

    >> To enter the bank you had to go through one door, that door had

    >> to shut, then a red light changed to green on another door before

    >> you could enter the bank. It was the same when leaving the bank.

    >> I asked the teller about it and she said it was a trial thing, and they

    >> may implement it at other bank branches. Went back to this bank

    >> a few months later and those security doors were gone. I asked

    >> about it, and was told that the customers hated it. The teller said

    >> some customers told her it made them uncomfortable and when

    >> the bank got busy, the doors couldn't keep up with the traffic.

    >> The teller said the trial was stopped. Too many complaints and wasn't

    >> cost efficient. Sound familiar?

    >>

    >

    > Good example. Now we just have to wait for M$ to figure it out. -)

    >

    > I'm not saying activation is good or bad, but it hardly seems worth the big

    > debate, except to those that upgrade hardware, bios or drivers often, or

    > mess with things too much so they have to reinstall. Buying components a few

    > t a time makes sense, but I always upgrade as much as possible at once right

    > before a clean install of any OS.

    >

    >

     

     

    It got me 5 times and I had done none of those things, 3 of those times

    were Microsoft updates that were set on auto and when the machine reset

    it claimed I had changed hardware. The other two times where machines at

    work which we are now scared to leave on auto update, and that was when

    they came back up after a power failure (UPS shutdown).

     

    I think 5 machines out of, oh I guess about 10 real PCs in total (At

    work they have replaced a lot with thin clients because of this)

    probably IS worth a big debate.

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    here@home.again wrote:

    > "MICHAEL" explined...

    >> Over 90% of Microsoft OS sales are OEM. The vast majority

    >> of those sales are to the big guys. Most users get the OS as

    >> part of a new computer. So, it seems most of Microsoft's

    >> anti-piracy schemes are aimed at those who buy the OS retail.

    >> Out of that small percentage- how many of those folks are

    >> thieves? All these resources aimed at a very small percentage

    >> of users, and these schemes have done absolutely nothing to

    >> stop the real pirates..... nothing. ROI.

    >>

    >> Over a year ago, I stopped at this First Union Bank (now Wachovia).

    >> To enter the bank you had to go through one door, that door had

    >> to shut, then a red light changed to green on another door before

    >> you could enter the bank. It was the same when leaving the bank.

    >> I asked the teller about it and she said it was a trial thing, and they

    >> may implement it at other bank branches. Went back to this bank

    >> a few months later and those security doors were gone. I asked

    >> about it, and was told that the customers hated it. The teller said

    >> some customers told her it made them uncomfortable and when

    >> the bank got busy, the doors couldn't keep up with the traffic.

    >> The teller said the trial was stopped. Too many complaints and wasn't

    >> cost efficient. Sound familiar?

    >>

    >

    > Good example. Now we just have to wait for M$ to figure it out. -)

    >

    > I'm not saying activation is good or bad, but it hardly seems worth the big

    > debate, except to those that upgrade hardware, bios or drivers often, or

    > mess with things too much so they have to reinstall. Buying components a few

    > t a time makes sense, but I always upgrade as much as possible at once right

    > before a clean install of any OS.

    >

    >

     

     

    It got me 5 times and I had done none of those things, 3 of those times

    were Microsoft updates that were set on auto and when the machine reset

    it claimed I had changed hardware. The other two times where machines at

    work which we are now scared to leave on auto update, and that was when

    they came back up after a power failure (UPS shutdown).

     

    I think 5 machines out of, oh I guess about 10 real PCs in total (At

    work they have replaced a lot with thin clients because of this)

    probably IS worth a big debate.

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