Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fuiku6$map$2@aioe.org...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fuijm9$doq$8@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:fuiikc$doq$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>> news:fuihrt$9c4$5@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fuigur$6ii$1@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fuiddp$lb5$3@aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kurttrail wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark L. Ferguson wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and the comparison to XP as something different

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from that progress

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is pretty funny. I think in looking for a name for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'pre SP2 XP', the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name 'firewall-less self replicating zombie' springs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to mind. I can

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily see the future for the Win7, when the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spambabies are longing for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 'versatility and beauty' of 'good old Vista'.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, by then Vista SP2 should be out, and maybe by

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then Vista might not be so ugly.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though after Vista, I doubt MS will make as many

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistakes with Win7.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanna bet? I bet they make more mistakes, have more anti

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piracy crap and a lot more bloat.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet they keep screwing up Ubuntu every 6 months.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Free product that nobody wants. Gotta be a pile.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The new version, Hardy Heron, now does wireless out of the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box. It does most printers out of the box. It is not for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geeks anymore. The fact that you're too stupid to install

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu writes volumes about you because it's

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sooooooooooooooo easy to install.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again being a Ubuntu user you can't remember things and

>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep posting things that are not true. That is your way of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> justifying Ubuntu. We all know that Ubuntu is a piece of

>>>>>>>>>>>>> crap. I keep telling you time and time again that I had a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful install of Ubuntu. I evaluated Ubuntu and found

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to a piece of crap. Just like millions of others who

>>>>>>>>>>>>> get this FREE product and discard it. You are too stupid to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> figure that out. That speaks volumes about YOU. Especially

>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you are so hard up to try and preach Ubuntu to the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> vista users. Get a life.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> You cried all over the Ubuntu group that you couldn't get it

>>>>>>>>>>>> installed. Now you're denying it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong. I installed it with no problems. The problem was not

>>>>>>>>>>> being able to run anything of value on it.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Like what?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Well for starters, Visual Studio, SQL Server (not MySQL)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> And how many Windows users use those programs? Name something

>>>>>>>> your average home or small business user would use. You can't.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Photo editing software,

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lots of those.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> tax software,

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Those too.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> word processing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Open office and ABI Word.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Users can't find those at the store.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No need. They are in the repositories or come preinstalled with

>>>>>> Ubuntu.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There are no packages they can get in a box from Bestbuy, etc...

>>>>>>> Business users don't want OpenSores software either.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It tells me you're a liar as you don't speak for *any* companies.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Millions of companies would rather pay MS than to use OpenSores

>>>>>>> Office.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Most of those millions don't know there is a free alternative. My

>>>>>> mission is to let them know and it's very successful and

>>>>>> satisfying so far.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Most of the business users know there is Linux and Ubuntu out

>>>>> there. They know Linux for what it is. They ditch it as it is

>>>>> just a TOY. Business users would rather pay for MS Office than to

>>>>> use OpenSores Office. Go figure.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You need to learn how to figure. Most business do NOT know about

>>>> Ubuntu.

>>>

>>>

>>> No, truth is you don't know what most businesses know...linux is for

>>> losers...like you.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Really? Are you calling the French police department losers?

>

> Are you really calling a department within the French police a business?

> Are you that stupid?

 

Um, you wrote, and I quote: "Linux is for losers". Can you answer the

question now or are you too stupid?

>

> How about

>> the Spanish education ministry?

>

> So you're also calling them a business?

> You are that stupid!

 

Um, you wrote, and I quote: "Linux is for losers". Can you answer the

question now or are you too stupid?

>

> Would you say that to the face of a

>> French police officer or only when you're hiding out in Usenet, coward?

>

> You dumb fukk...you're a real moron idiot POS loser.

> What does the working person inside a government have to do with the

> crap software they're forced to use, huh? As if they have a choice? Most

> of those stupid governments that try linux end up coming back to Windows

> cause of loss of productivity, bitching from the employees about the

> piece of crap they're being forced to use and compatibility issues

> within their own government and other foreign governments they deal with.

> Face it sheep-fukker, there really isn't anything at all free about

> linux...any distro. Free ain't really free in this case!

> Frank

 

Well, would you? You have a really hard time answering the hard

questions, don't you?

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

>>>>> message news:095Pj.4399$rM4.1778@fe65.usenetserver.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Whatever floats your boat. I use what works for me. XP works,

>>>>>>> Vista

>>>>>>> somewhat works, and Ubuntu isn't even in the running.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm just pointing out that the only person you speak for is yourself.

>>>>>> Not the majority of anything.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Another point for me! )

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Wrong. Look at the numbers. Ubuntu has a very small percentage of

>>>>> the market. I don't need to speak for it. The majority use a

>>>>> Microsoft solution. Not me speaking but the numbers. Look them up.

>>>>>

>>>>> Remove that point.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> There was a time when most business not only did not use Windows,

>>>> they never heard of it...

>>>

>>>

>>> Yeah...cause it didn't exist...LOL!

>>

>>

>> Really? Never heard of punch cards, lamer?

>

> You're really that stupid aren't you!...LOL!

>>

>>>

>>> and they used IBM Selective typewriters. Keep up with

>>>

>>>> change, willya?

>>>

>>>

>>> Is it possible you're a stupid as you seem?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> I'm not stupid.

>

> You're really stupid.

>

> You stupidly think I'm stupid.

>

> I know you're stupid!

>

> I out debate you every

>> single time and everyone knows it but you, speaking of stupid.

>

> Debate? You are just stupid enough to actually think this ng is about

> debating...LOL!

> You're a real sheep-fukkin idiot...LOL!

> Frank

>>

>> Alias

 

Once again, what I wrote sailed right over Frank the Wank's head and he

resorts to his usual insults and bluster.

 

Alias

"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

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>> 1) I didn't have to install Vista crapware. My OEM did.

>

> Hummm...and you went for that...?

 

Like a car, I expected it delivered in working order. While it works, Vista

is like buying a SmartCar and getting 3 mpg out of it.

>> 2) Vista out of the box, add SP1 (super pissed) didn't help.

>

> Did you eat it or install it...LOL!

 

Installed it that day, the performance was so bad I didn't care if it worked

or not. Said it did.

>> 3) GNU/Cash and Ubuntu, superior.

>

> Superior to what?...etch-a-sketch?

 

Vista and etch-a-sketch both.

>> Me retiring in my fifties.

>

> So you've been fired for incompetence and are now 'unemployed and

> unemployable"...:-(

 

Nope.

> You have to work. hahahaha.

 

Nope

> I'm making tons of money...ahahahahaha...LOL!

> Frank

 

Doubt that.

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

> news:eiq%23cWCpIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>

>>>1) I didn't have to install Vista crapware. My OEM did.

>>

>>Hummm...and you went for that...?

>

>

> Like a car, I expected it delivered in working order. While it works, Vista

> is like buying a SmartCar and getting 3 mpg out of it.

>

You so did go for the oem crap...amazing!

>

>>>2) Vista out of the box, add SP1 (super pissed) didn't help.

>>

>>Did you eat it or install it...LOL!

>

>

> Installed it that day, the performance was so bad I didn't care if it worked

> or not. Said it did.

 

You are incompetent, huh.

>

>

>>>3) GNU/Cash and Ubuntu, superior.

>>

>>Superior to what?...etch-a-sketch?

>

>

> Vista and etch-a-sketch both.

 

All of my Vista installs work just fine.

>

>

>>>Me retiring in my fifties.

>>

>>So you've been fired for incompetence and are now 'unemployed and

>>unemployable"...:-(

>

>

> Nope.

>

>

>> You have to work. hahahaha.

>

>

> Nope

>

>

>>I'm making tons of money...ahahahahaha...LOL!

>>Frank

>

>

> Doubt that.

 

hehehe...let's put it this way...I'm not on a "beer budget"...lol!

Frank

>

>

Frank wrote:

>

> hehehe...let's put it this way...I'm not on a "beer budget"...lol!

> Frank

 

So, your song is:

 

What's the word?

 

Thunderbird.

 

What's the price?

 

44 twice.

 

What's the expense?

 

88 cents.

 

Who drinks it the most?

 

Frank the Wank, folks!

 

Alias

"vishhiita prime" <vee@shhhita.ch> wrote in message

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> these vista fanboys amaze me ...

>

> they are incredibly stupid! One is stupider than the other!

 

If you say so. The only thing worse is you and your fellow smacktards that

have no grasp of reality.

 

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> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

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>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

>>

>>> No, Steve Ballmer did not say "Windows Vista is an incomplete product".

>>

>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/work+in+progress

>>

>> http://www.answers.com/topic/work-in-progress?cat=biz-fin

>>

>> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/work-in-progress.html

>>

>> http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Work+in+Progress+-+WIP

>>

>> http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/WORKINPROGRESS

>>

>> Unless you are claiming that Balmer is too stupid to know what "work in

>> progress" actually means, then he did mean that Vista is an incomplete

>> product by calling it a "work in progress."

>>

>>> All operating systems are a "work in progress"....every single one!

>>

>> Really? Or are they complete products that have flaws?

>>

>> Do you really think Steve Jobs would be stupid enough to characterize OSX

>> as a "work in progress?"

>>

>>> The Wow is Now!

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/india/vistasongs/WoW%20is%20Now%20-%20full%

>> 20song.mp3

>>

>> Vista should be shot and put out of our misery just for that assault to

>> the ears.

>>

>> Though I do find it interesting that MS is hosting that abomination in

>> the mp3 format, not in their own wm format.

>>

>> --

>> Peace!

>> Kurt

>> Former Self-anointed Moderator

>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

>>

>

>

"Mark L. Ferguson" <MarkLFerguson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

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> Yes, and the comparison to XP as something different from that progress is

> pretty funny. I think in looking for a name for 'pre SP2 XP', the name

> 'firewall-less self replicating zombie' springs to mind. I can easily see

> the future for the Win7, when the spambabies are longing for the

> 'versatility and beauty' of 'good old Vista'.

 

Unfortunately it would seem that the smacktards are too young, or too

stupid, or both perhaps to remember what has happened in the past. The same

thing gets said over and over. Most of them think that just because they can

pop a card in or load Linux or whatever it makes them some kind of expert.

They have never supported anything, or done anything that requires any

skill. It is truly sad.

 

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> "Earle Horton" <earleh_nospam_@live.com> wrote in message

> news:5FCE0D68-E95C-48AE-8BBA-6BFB592FFCAB@microsoft.com...

>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

>> news:QH1Pj.8566$oB1.7277@fe57.usenetserver.com...

>>> Denis wrote:

>>>

>>>> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has admitted that Windows Vista is an

>>>> incomplete product, even though the operating system has been on the

>>>> market for more than a year.

>>>>

>>>> Speaking at the firm's annual Most Valuable Professionals event in

>>>> Seattle yesterday, Big Steve told the gathered crowd that the unloved

>>>> OS

>>>> was "a work in progress". According to reports, he also promised that

>>>> Microsoft would learn from the mistakes it has made with Vista.

>>>

>>> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/359541_msftmvp18.html

>>>

>>> And you can always sue MS for your money back, but would that be worth

>>> the aggravation, especially since by the time the court rules, most

>>> people will be using Windows 10?

>>>

>> They would nail you for legal fees, and their legal team would ring up a

>> lot of hours on purpose to make sure they put you in the poor house when

>> all was said and done. All Microsoft operating systems have been "work

>> in progress". A currently stable version of Windows 2000 is SP4 and gets

>> updates from the web site every month. XP is SP2.

>>

>> At this point in time, if you want stability, you can "downgrade" just

>> about any (maybe all) machines on the market to XP SP2 without any

>> serious problems.

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> Earle

>

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

> news:ez%23kJC9oIHA.5836@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

>> news:Tk3Pj.8580$oB1.4536@fe57.usenetserver.com...

>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fuiddp$lb5$3@aioe.org...

>>>>> kurttrail wrote:

>>>>>> Mark L. Ferguson wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes, and the comparison to XP as something different from that

>>>>>>> progress is pretty funny. I think in looking for a name for 'pre SP2

>>>>>>> XP', the name 'firewall-less self replicating zombie' springs to

>>>>>>> mind. I can easily see the future for the Win7, when the spambabies

>>>>>>> are longing for the 'versatility and beauty' of 'good old Vista'.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well, by then Vista SP2 should be out, and maybe by then Vista might

>>>>>> not be so ugly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Though after Vista, I doubt MS will make as many mistakes with Win7.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> Wanna bet? I bet they make more mistakes, have more anti piracy crap

>>>>> and a lot more bloat.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> I'll bet they keep screwing up Ubuntu every 6 months.

>>>

>>> By putting out a better OS every 6 months, they will make their older

>>> versions look screwed up by comparison.

>>>

>>

>> Better for who? Ubuntu still can't run the majority of programs that

>> most users need. They could release a new version every week and it

>> still won't matter. Remember, Ubuntu is FREE and the people are not

>> rushing to it. I guess the majority of people have come to the same

>> conculusion. Ubuntu is a pile. Not ready for prime time.

>

> Like what?

 

Let's see. How bout lack of support for ACPI 2.4 for one. My son in law

tried loading it on his machine, Ubuntu won't even boot. Mandriva does,

2000, XP, and Vista all run fine. Linux has less than a 1% market share on

the desktop after 15 years, and it is free. THAT is not ready for prime

time.

> Lets compare Vista Premium to Ubuntu

>

> Office Tools:

> MS Office, $400 -> OpenOffice n/c

 

OO is slower, and has compatibility issues. Since the de facto standard in

the productivity suite arena IS MS Office, that makes OO useless for most

people.

> Backups:

> MS, none, OEM might supply something. -> Linux, included.

 

What was NTBackup then? Don't about you, but my Vista shipped with a backup

solution, yeah Acer included some too, but it has it. Not our fault that you

can't even load your OS correctly.

> Browsers:

> MS IE 7 or 8 -> Firefox and others

 

Funny, can also run Opera, Firefox, and Safari on Vista.

> Mail

> MS Mail -> Linux Evolution

 

Evolution is and always has been a 3rd party application. Created by Ximian,

now owned by Novell.

> Encryption:

> MS nonportable -> PGP and others, portable

 

Last I heard you could run PGP on Windows. Started as an MS based program,

and was subsequently ported to Linux.

> Text Terminal Services

> MS broken telnet, insecure -> Linux, Secure Shell

 

Let's do a little research shall we? If you are running plain telnet if

security is a concern, you're too stupid to be running a system anyway.

There ARE solutions for MS.

> Database:

> MS extra $$$ -> Linux, MySQL, PostgrSQL and others n/c

 

Most home users don't need a database per se. Personally I run Firebird for

SAM because MySQL is slower than hell. Anyway, the de facto standard in that

area is Oracle anyway, and IT costs out the ass no matter what it runs

under. Not to mention even MS SQL is far and a away a better choice than any

of the Linux offerings. You get what you pay for.

> Performance

> MS slowwwww -> Linux fast.

 

Funny, never had a speed problem with anything. Not our problem that you

cannot set up an operating system correctly.

> I could go on for 20 more.... save me the time and tell me what Vista can

> do that Ubuntu does not have a viable and possibly much better

> alternative. We can then set the users straight.

 

And I can shoot down each one of them, just like I have with other

smacktards when they bring up the 25,000 free programs that come with Linux.

Hell I can make Solaris run reasonably well. Doesn't mean I am as productive

on it, as I am with Vista, or XP, or anything else. Viable for YOU, may not

be the same for everyone else. Does Linux have similar programs to MS

offerings. Yep, sure do. Are they as capable? The overwhelming majority of

them, hell no. Just thought of something since I mentioned it earlier. Name

one Linux offering that is close to being as capable as SAM Broadcaster.

 

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> In article <#RxEUICpIHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

> Frank <fab@notspam.com> wrote:

>>>

>>Translation: why settle for an imitation when using the real thing (MS

>>software) is actually cheaper in the long run.

>

> Quickbooks isn't Microsoft software.

 

Nor was any of the software that Canuck brought up Linux software if you

want to go down that road. Linux is just the kernel remember? Thanks for

playing, but please try again.

 

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> Work in progress, so perfectly acceptable for MS to sell it even if its

> not fully functional. Is that what you are saying Frank?

 

EVERY OS has bugs. There is not one without problems. So by that standard,

what exactly are we supposed to use, an abacus?

 

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> "Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

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>> Denis wrote:

>>> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has admitted that Windows Vista is an

>>> incomplete product, even though the operating system has been on the

>>> market for more than a year.

>>>

>>> Speaking at the firm's annual Most Valuable Professionals event in

>>> Seattle yesterday, Big Steve told the gathered crowd that the unloved OS

>>> was "a work in progress". According to reports, he also promised that

>>> Microsoft would learn from the mistakes it has made with Vista.

>>>

>> Big deal...life is a "work in progress'...!

>> Frank

>