On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:16:14 GMT, Canuck57 wrote:

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgamil.com> wrote in message

> news:%23wgVX3ZoIHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> I have had several acquaintances that have asked me about

>> installing Windows Vista on their computers currently running

>> Windows XP. After talking to them and realizing they have

>> legacy printers, scanners and other external hardware, I advised

>> them to stay with Windows XP. I also told them that when they

>> buy a new computer that will likely have Windows Vista

>> preinstalled, that they will also need to replace their old

>> hardware peripherals, most of which are several years old and

>> would not be supported with Windows Vista.

>>

>> I do not like surprising people with an unexpected expense.

>

> Good advice.

 

....which the 'upgrade advisor' software is supposed to provide.

 

--

Chris Game

 

"Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing."

-- Mark Twain

"Frank" wrote:

> Canuck57 wrote:

>

> > "Martin Burke" <mlburke@btinternet.com> wrote in message

> > news:1972458.cfMbipTz6h@martin@mb-laptop...

> >

> >>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>>Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

> >>>Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

> >>>a new webcam for under $25.

> >>>

> >>>Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

> >>>Flatbed Scanner - Retail:

> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

> >>>

> >>>Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

> >>>Interface WebCam - Retail:

> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

> >>>

> >>>--

> >>>Carey Frisch

> >>>Microsoft MVP

> >>>Windows Desktop Experience -

> >>>Windows System & Performance

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>"radelster" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> >>>>pre-installed, no options for XP.

> >>>>

> >>>>I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

> >>>>

> >>>>I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> >>>>all new hardware!!

> >>>>

> >>>>This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

> >>>>

> >>

> >>Why should you have to buy new hardware to run the next version of WinDoze

> >>when the hardware worked fine when you had Windows XP - ok so the driver

> >>was not signed (? what the) but hell it worked.

> >>

> >>The whole idea for Vista is supposed to be a better OS and help you work

> >>better. If thats the case we'd all better go back to using DOS

> >>applications. Most people never ever use the windows system to its full

> >>potential. You open up your email client, read the emails and send a few,

> >>CLOSE it down and open up your fave Web browser trawl through several

> >>thousand pages, CLOSE it down , open up your fave news reader and CLOSE it

> >>down. ARGHHH ITS A MULTI-TASKING ENVIRONMENT you can have them all open at

> >>once. Better still have multiple desktops and switch desktops.

> >>

> >>I refuse to buy new hardware when it works fine just because a dammed OS

> >>refuses to work with it, when theres a driver for it to use in XP. It just

> >>goes to show the Vista is NOT compatible with XP drivers, when it should

> >>be. Whats next it cant use USB 1.0 and will only work with USB 3.0 ? An

> >>upgrade OS should be compatable with the previous one drivers should be

> >>included with that too.

> >>

> >>Vista must have its good points but it seems that there are so many faults

> >>that no one has found them yet, when SP3 comes out it may just have had

> >>time to become a good OS to use.

> >

> >

> > The more you look at Vista, the more your see it's flaws.

> >

> > Just looked at the driver signing issue in more depth. Vendors have delays

> > in sending drivers to MS to be signed. And in theory, if not already the

> > practice they could charge for it. Something like "If you want to run on

> > our OS, you pay me money". It sure looks as if this is the direction.

> >

> > Not sure what hidden junk is in the DRM parts. But if some sales jerk tells

> > you HDMI is a feature, laugh. HDMI is so they can control what you hear and

> > watch. It isn't a customer feature at all. Just never ran Vista long

> > enough to find out.

> >

> > And looking at good encryption the other day like IPSec, looks like Vista is

> > still broken when dealing with non-MS products. Heck, you can get OpenBSD,

> > Solaris and 1/2 dozen Linux to do IPSec together but Vista be brain dead

> > hear too.

> >

> > As more users like you reject the "Vista" experience, and don't fall for the

> > MS lock-in-hype the closer we will get to better OSes.

> >

> > Consider Linux. If you tried the horse sh1t MS is pulling with driver

> > signing and DRM, the Linux community would send you packing.

> >

> >

> More of your lies and assumed distortions?

> More FUD...hehehehe...you're easily one of the most unaccomplished

> trolls I've ever booted around in this ng.

> You're just smart enough to outsmart your self.

> Pathetic loser!

> Frank

>

Five more days to go to get your hands on a shiny,brand new Ubuntu8.04 and

you all will be amazed at the speed it works and the numerous programs it

offers.

Think Ubuntu.

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

news:t3dOj.203949$pM4.111351@pd7urf1no...

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:%230a4gTZoIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>> Microsoft do NOT conspire with peripheral hardware manufacturers. The

>> hardware manufacturers use a change in OS to get some new sales. It is

>> not in the interests of hardware manufacturers to continually provide

>> drivers for older equipment. At some point, they need to generate new

>> sales.

>

> While I will state I can't prove it, it is my opinion that MS does in fact

> influence drives quite a bit. First off, it is their API. But more. Why

> then would the likes of Broadcom with Linux reference sources not release

> the code to Linux? Why would they only produce MS-Windows drivers when in

> fact their reference design uses Linux?

>

> Sure looks like it to me, the perception is - hey, want your drivers in at

> MS, close the source.

>

> It might be better phrased that it isn't in Microsoft's best interests to

> keep the driver interface constant as to stem new leverage for MS to

> maintain a monopoly environment. Especially since this model moves them

> closer to charging for the privilege of running on their OS. Which is

> really where it is headed.

>

 

 

What has any of that to do with Canon or HP not producing Vista drivers for

product lines that are nearly 6 years old.

 

I will rephrase slightly.. producing basic drivers for product lines nearly

6 years old, but no 'control' utility.

 

If Canon, HP, Creative et al continued to produce full feature drivers for

product lines ad infinitum, they would go out of business unless they

charged big bucks for the software.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

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http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:39:03 -0700, radelster

<radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

>I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

>I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

>So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy all

>new hardware!!

>

>This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

If you had done a bit of research you would know that in almost all

cases the XP drivers will work just fine. NOT in ALL cases, but most.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:39:03 -0700, radelster

<radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

>I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

>I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

>So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy all

>new hardware!!

>

>This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

And I guess you think Linux will be easier? Not in this lifetime!!!!

Mac's are expensive because there are NO CLONES!

LOL.

--

"...I fail to understand why they feel the need to convince people

who are happy with Vista that they are wrong. That is aside from the

self-esteem issues they must have -)"

—Mark R. Cusumano

 

 

"ray" wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:46:44 -0700, Frank wrote:

>

> > radelster wrote:

> >> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> >> pre-installed, no options for XP.

> >>

> >> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

> >

> > What model is your scanner?

> >>

> >> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

> >

> > What model is your webcam?

> >>

> >>

> >> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and

> >> buy all new hardware!!

> >

> > I've got hardware that is 5-7yrs old that works with Vista.

> >>

> >> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

> >

> > Oh? You've found an OS that has more compatibility than Windows? Pray

> > tell what it is?

> > Frank

> >>

>

> Linux.

>

LOL.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184

--

"...I fail to understand why they feel the need to convince people

who are happy with Vista that they are wrong. That is aside from the

self-esteem issues they must have -)"

—Mark R. Cusumano

 

 

"Adam Albright" wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:03:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>

> >Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

> >Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

> >a new webcam for under $25.

>

> Suggesting someone spend MORE after blowing a pile of money on Vista

> that you keep crowing is the best OS "ever". Wow, I'm impressed with

> you. Honest.

>

> Reality check:

>

> Cost of Vista Home Premium.... apx $120

> required new graphic card..... apx $180

> add 1 GM memory............... apx $110

> new printer................... apx $150

> new scanner................... apx $ 80

> new wecam..................... apx $ 40

> $680

>

> Aggravation and time to get all

> this new stuff to work......... priceless

>

>

>

>

LOL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you search?

 

http://ask.com

 

LOL. My garage-sale HP printer from the DOS days (DeskJet 660Cse) works

fine on Vista (64-bit, too!) and it even found a driver in Windows Update.

--

"...I fail to understand why they feel the need to convince people

who are happy with Vista that they are wrong. That is aside from the

self-esteem issues they must have -)"

—Mark R. Cusumano

 

 

"radelster" wrote:

> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy all

> new hardware!!

>

> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>

brummyfan wrote:

>

> "Frank" wrote:

>

>

>>Canuck57 wrote:

>>

>>

>>>"Martin Burke" <mlburke@btinternet.com> wrote in message

>>>news:1972458.cfMbipTz6h@martin@mb-laptop...

>>>

>>>

>>>>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

>>>>>Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

>>>>>a new webcam for under $25.

>>>>>

>>>>>Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

>>>>>Flatbed Scanner - Retail:

>>>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

>>>>>

>>>>>Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

>>>>>Interface WebCam - Retail:

>>>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

>>>>>

>>>>>--

>>>>>Carey Frisch

>>>>>Microsoft MVP

>>>>>Windows Desktop Experience -

>>>>>Windows System & Performance

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>"radelster" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>>>>>pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>>>>>>all new hardware!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Why should you have to buy new hardware to run the next version of WinDoze

>>>>when the hardware worked fine when you had Windows XP - ok so the driver

>>>>was not signed (? what the) but hell it worked.

>>>>

>>>>The whole idea for Vista is supposed to be a better OS and help you work

>>>>better. If thats the case we'd all better go back to using DOS

>>>>applications. Most people never ever use the windows system to its full

>>>>potential. You open up your email client, read the emails and send a few,

>>>>CLOSE it down and open up your fave Web browser trawl through several

>>>>thousand pages, CLOSE it down , open up your fave news reader and CLOSE it

>>>>down. ARGHHH ITS A MULTI-TASKING ENVIRONMENT you can have them all open at

>>>>once. Better still have multiple desktops and switch desktops.

>>>>

>>>>I refuse to buy new hardware when it works fine just because a dammed OS

>>>>refuses to work with it, when theres a driver for it to use in XP. It just

>>>>goes to show the Vista is NOT compatible with XP drivers, when it should

>>>>be. Whats next it cant use USB 1.0 and will only work with USB 3.0 ? An

>>>>upgrade OS should be compatable with the previous one drivers should be

>>>>included with that too.

>>>>

>>>>Vista must have its good points but it seems that there are so many faults

>>>>that no one has found them yet, when SP3 comes out it may just have had

>>>>time to become a good OS to use.

>>>

>>>

>>>The more you look at Vista, the more your see it's flaws.

>>>

>>>Just looked at the driver signing issue in more depth. Vendors have delays

>>>in sending drivers to MS to be signed. And in theory, if not already the

>>>practice they could charge for it. Something like "If you want to run on

>>>our OS, you pay me money". It sure looks as if this is the direction.

>>>

>>>Not sure what hidden junk is in the DRM parts. But if some sales jerk tells

>>>you HDMI is a feature, laugh. HDMI is so they can control what you hear and

>>>watch. It isn't a customer feature at all. Just never ran Vista long

>>>enough to find out.

>>>

>>>And looking at good encryption the other day like IPSec, looks like Vista is

>>>still broken when dealing with non-MS products. Heck, you can get OpenBSD,

>>>Solaris and 1/2 dozen Linux to do IPSec together but Vista be brain dead

>>>hear too.

>>>

>>>As more users like you reject the "Vista" experience, and don't fall for the

>>>MS lock-in-hype the closer we will get to better OSes.

>>>

>>>Consider Linux. If you tried the horse sh1t MS is pulling with driver

>>>signing and DRM, the Linux community would send you packing.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>More of your lies and assumed distortions?

>>More FUD...hehehehe...you're easily one of the most unaccomplished

>>trolls I've ever booted around in this ng.

>>You're just smart enough to outsmart your self.

>>Pathetic loser!

>>Frank

>>

>

> Five more days to go to get your hands on a shiny,brand new Ubuntu8.04 and

> you all will be amazed at the speed it works and the numerous programs it

> offers.

 

hehehe...you'll be amazed if it even works!...LOL!

> Think Ubuntu.

 

"Think"...just might be a real problem for you bunnyman...LOL!

Frank

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> news:t3dOj.203949$pM4.111351@pd7urf1no...

>

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:%230a4gTZoIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Microsoft do NOT conspire with peripheral hardware manufacturers. The

>>> hardware manufacturers use a change in OS to get some new sales. It

>>> is not in the interests of hardware manufacturers to continually

>>> provide drivers for older equipment. At some point, they need to

>>> generate new sales.

>>

>>

>> While I will state I can't prove it, it is my opinion that MS does in

>> fact influence drives quite a bit. First off, it is their API. But

>> more. Why then would the likes of Broadcom with Linux reference

>> sources not release the code to Linux? Why would they only produce

>> MS-Windows drivers when in fact their reference design uses Linux?

>>

>> Sure looks like it to me, the perception is - hey, want your drivers

>> in at MS, close the source.

>>

>> It might be better phrased that it isn't in Microsoft's best interests

>> to keep the driver interface constant as to stem new leverage for MS

>> to maintain a monopoly environment. Especially since this model moves

>> them closer to charging for the privilege of running on their OS.

>> Which is really where it is headed.

>>

>

>

> What has any of that to do with Canon or HP not producing Vista drivers

> for product lines that are nearly 6 years old.

>

> I will rephrase slightly.. producing basic drivers for product lines

> nearly 6 years old, but no 'control' utility.

>

> If Canon, HP, Creative et al continued to produce full feature drivers

> for product lines ad infinitum, they would go out of business unless

> they charged big bucks for the software.

>

That is a difficult business model for the open sores boys to comprehend

or understand.

Frank

Gordon wrote:

> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:e6zqpNYoIHA.5364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> My last reply :)

>>

>> The OP may not be technically savvy to know that and that is my point!

>> So why not simply point him to the right direction instead of insulting

>> him! Do NOT assume everyone knows what are inside a computer and if you

>> don't work at NASA, I doubt you would know every details inside the

>> space shuttle!!

>>

>>

> So the fact that he comes here and just rants against MS is of no

> consequence?

 

It should be of no consequence to you, unless you are a Microsoft fanboy.

 

--

Peace!

Kurt

Former Self-anointed Moderator

microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

Gordon wrote:

> "Sam" <spam@me.not> wrote in message

> news:57D3547B-6F41-4A7F-9D98-4C097F0FBA8D@microsoft.com...

>> Gordon, please stop insulting the users.

>

> I'm not.

 

Liar.

> The OP obviously hasn't the intelligence to be a "user"...

 

Thanks for proving yourself to be a liar.

 

--

Peace!

Kurt

Former Self-anointed Moderator

microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> My system:

>

> HP Pavilion a1748x (refurbished)...$369 (Vista Home Premium

> preinstalled) 2GB 667MHz RAM............................ 82 ATI 512MB

> Radeon HD 2600 Pro......78

>

> Total.................................................. $529

>

> My 5-year old HP 2110 PSC All-in-One worked fine with Vista, but it

> recently died. Found a bargain at OfficeMax for a discontinued HP

> Photosmart C5180 All-in -One for only $95.

>

> Specs:

> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?

docname=c00841366&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3352647&lang=en

>

> Having a dual-core CPU really makes a difference running Vista. My old

> P4 3.0GHZ system worked well with Vista, but the dual- core system

> handles Vista much, much better.

>

> It seems most computer manufacturers install the slow 533MHz RAM.

> Upgrading to 667 or 800 MHz RAM makes a huge difference in Vista's

> performance.

>

> My HP Pavilion a1748x has been a rock-solid performer and never had a

> difficulties...no blue screens, no freeze-ups, absolutely nothing to

> complain about.

 

ROFL! HP! But that does explain a lot.

 

--

Peace!

Kurt

Former Self-anointed Moderator

microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

i agree Vista sucks. From the marketing campaign, you're lead to believe

that Vista would be the easiest and most powerful version of Windows to date.

as an MCP win2000/NT, i loved windows for its stability and vast

capabilities compared with other OSs i totally against OSX as an unworthy

alternative.

 

now, with Vista, my experiences are very fustrating not only do some 3rd

pty apps not work right (like HP MFPs and Paperport 11), but Vista own

features are buggy. I use Media Center with xbox360 extenders and it doesn't

work right. MCE2005 worked perfectly.

 

the point is, as the sophistication grows, the user interaction should be

more fluid and less prone to operation issues. but instead, Vista is a much

bigger headache for users while Mac OSX continues to add more features for

less money. as of the latest version of OSX, this ex MS fanboy can no longer

advocate and can no longer recommend MS to friends and family. even with my

experience and dedication i can't get Vista to work right, i could not in

good conscience inflict Vista on others.

toejam357 wrote:

> i agree Vista sucks.

 

No it doesn't.

 

From the marketing campaign, you're lead to believe

> that Vista would be the easiest and most powerful version of Windows

to date.

 

It is. You just need to learn the in's and out's of it. It is different

than XP. It is not XP + eye candy.

> as an MCP win2000/NT, i loved windows for its stability and vast

> capabilities compared with other OSs i totally against OSX as an

unworthy

> alternative.

 

So? What has changed in that regard?

>

> now, with Vista, my experiences are very fustrating not only do some

3rd

> pty apps not work right (like HP MFPs and Paperport 11),...

 

PaperPort 11 works just fine on the Vista Ultimate boxes we have it

install on.

But it's not MS's fault that old software is not compatible. 3rd parties

must make their software compatible with Vista.

 

but Vista own

> features are buggy. I use Media Center with xbox360 extenders and it

doesn't

> work right.

 

I don't have xbox but MC works perfectly on all of our Vistas.

 

MCE2005 worked perfectly.

>

> the point is, as the sophistication grows, the user interaction

should be

> more fluid and less prone to operation issues. but instead, Vista is

a much

> bigger headache for users while Mac OSX continues to add more

features for

> less money.

 

?????? Ain't happening pal! Not true!

 

as of the latest version of OSX, this ex MS fanboy can no longer

> advocate and can no longer recommend MS to friends and family. even

with my

> experience and dedication i can't get Vista to work right, i could

not in

> good conscience inflict Vista on others.

 

So have you ever tried to list the exact problem(s) you're having?

Or are you completely lost when it comes to Vista?

Not only vista sucks, but FRANK that posts as FB or fb also sucks as much as

vista...

 

you can imagine when frank combines his stupidity with a vista computer how

much it sucks... lol

 

 

 

 

"FB" <fb@npam.img> wrote in message

news:esiYGYR5IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> toejam357 wrote:

>

> > i agree Vista sucks.

>

> No it doesn't.

>

> From the marketing campaign, you're lead to believe

> > that Vista would be the easiest and most powerful version of Windows

> to date.

>

> It is. You just need to learn the in's and out's of it. It is different

> than XP. It is not XP + eye candy.

>

> > as an MCP win2000/NT, i loved windows for its stability and vast

> > capabilities compared with other OSs i totally against OSX as an

> unworthy

> > alternative.

>

> So? What has changed in that regard?

> >

> > now, with Vista, my experiences are very fustrating not only do some

> 3rd

> > pty apps not work right (like HP MFPs and Paperport 11),...

>

> PaperPort 11 works just fine on the Vista Ultimate boxes we have it

> install on.

> But it's not MS's fault that old software is not compatible. 3rd parties

> must make their software compatible with Vista.

>

> but Vista own

> > features are buggy. I use Media Center with xbox360 extenders and it

> doesn't

> > work right.

>

> I don't have xbox but MC works perfectly on all of our Vistas.

>

> MCE2005 worked perfectly.

> >

> > the point is, as the sophistication grows, the user interaction

> should be

> > more fluid and less prone to operation issues. but instead, Vista is

> a much

> > bigger headache for users while Mac OSX continues to add more

> features for

> > less money.

>

> ?????? Ain't happening pal! Not true!

>

> as of the latest version of OSX, this ex MS fanboy can no longer

> > advocate and can no longer recommend MS to friends and family. even

> with my

> > experience and dedication i can't get Vista to work right, i could

> not in

> > good conscience inflict Vista on others.

>

> So have you ever tried to list the exact problem(s) you're having?

> Or are you completely lost when it comes to Vista?

#1 loser sucks!

 

#1 idiot moron loser wrote:

 

Vista is great, but I suck.

 

--------------------------------------------

No kidding! But that was established long ago loser!...LOL!

FB <fb@npam.img> wrote in news:esiYGYR5IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> But instead, Vista is

> a much

> > bigger headache for users while Mac OSX continues to add more

> features for

> > less money.

>

> ?????? Ain't happening pal! Not true!

 

Well, yes, true Frank-o, seems as you are wrong again.

 

Tell me if you will, where I can by a full retail version of Vista, with

ALL features, for $129 ?

 

Or better yet, where can I buy a Vista 5-pack license for $199 ?

 

Those are the OSX prices:

 

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB427Z/A?mco=47638CE4&fnode=home%

2Fshop_mac%2Fsoftware%2Fapple

DanS wrote:

> FB <fb@npam.img> wrote in news:esiYGYR5IHA.1192@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>

>

>>But instead, Vista is

>>a much

>>

>>>bigger headache for users while Mac OSX continues to add more

>>

>>features for

>>

>>>less money.

>>

>>?????? Ain't happening pal! Not true!

>

>

> Well, yes, true Frank-o, seems as you are wrong again.

 

Well, dan-o, I don't assume that the features of OSX are the same as the

as the features of Vista Ultimate.

> Tell me if you will, where I can by a full retail version of Vista, with

> ALL features, for $129 ?

>

> Or better yet, where can I buy a Vista 5-pack license for $199 ?

 

Google is your friend dan-o.

> Those are the OSX prices:

>

> http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB427Z/A?mco=47638CE4&fnode=home%

> 2Fshop_mac%2Fsoftware%2Fapple

>

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:26:52 -0700, FB <fb@npam.img> wrote:

>toejam357 wrote:

>

> > i agree Vista sucks.

>

>No it doesn't.

>

> From the marketing campaign, you're lead to believe

> > that Vista would be the easiest and most powerful version of Windows

>to date.

>

>It is. You just need to learn the in's and out's of it. It is different

>than XP. It is not XP + eye candy.

 

Of course it is Frank. You're easily deceived because you're just a

moron that gulps down any Microsoft marketing hype without ever asking

questions, like their failed WOW campaign. That was a hoot! I bet

Frank was expecting to have multiple orgasms with Aero. Well Frank

fess up, were you impressed with the cheesy transparency effect?

>So have you ever tried to list the exact problem(s) you're having?

 

So some sap like you can make smart ass comments like you're a drunken

pig, capin' crunch, fly a cardboard spaceship or you lying somebody

can't install Vista therefore they must an idiot campaign you've been

running for over a year?

 

That's your speed Frank, some old fart that acts like a juvenile

delinquent with a IQ under 60 that's always out of control and is

closer to some not yet potty trained six year old having one temper

tantrum after another. We got you pegged Frank. You are what you are.

Just a idiot, loser, whiner and of course Microsoft apologist.

fb <fab@nospamm.net> wrote in

news:ezMc6dS5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>> Well, yes, true Frank-o, seems as you are wrong again.

>

> Well, dan-o, I don't assume that the features of OSX are the same as

> the as the features of Vista Ultimate.

 

I don't know, I don't have OSX, but I'm sure it's very similar.

>> Tell me if you will, where I can by a full retail version of Vista,

>> with ALL features, for $129 ?

>>

>> Or better yet, where can I buy a Vista 5-pack license for $199 ?

>

> Google is your friend dan-o.

 

Is this your typical response when you can't provide an answer ?

 

How about this, you google and give me a link. I gave you a link proving

that OSX is less expensive than Vista. You say it's not. Now provide a link

showing Vista at a lower price....but you can't. Your talking out your

frank again.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:59:26 +0300, "zuoer" <XP@ru.com> wrote:

>Not only vista sucks, but FRANK that posts as FB or fb also sucks as much as

>vista...

>

>you can imagine when frank combines his stupidity with a vista computer how

>much it sucks... lol

>

I bet Apple is damn glad Frank uses Windows and not a Mac. Imagine the

damage he would to in their "support" groups. The idiot doesn't know

it but I would wager he single handedly has turned off hundreds if not

thousands of potential buyers of Vista with his non stop ranting and

raving like a loon.

Ringmaster wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:59:26 +0300, "zuoer" <XP@ru.com> wrote:

>

>

>>Not only vista sucks, but FRANK that posts as FB or fb also sucks as much as

>>vista...

>>

>>you can imagine when frank combines his stupidity with a vista computer how

>>much it sucks... lol

>>

>

> I bet Apple is damn glad Frank uses Windows and not a Mac.

 

You have no money with which to bet, do you mr drunken lying pig? You've

been unemployed/unemployable for the last 20 yrs.

Please don't use your welfare funds to gamble. It's illegal.

 

Imagine the

> damage he would to in their "support" groups. The idiot doesn't know

> it but I would wager he single handedly has turned off hundreds if not

> thousands of potential buyers of Vista with his non stop ranting and

> raving like a loon.

 

Projecting again mr drunken lying pig?

I love booting your stupid, ignorant, drunken ass all over this ng.

You're our resident idiot and fool. Two for one!...LOL!

Congratulations!

DanS wrote:

> fb <fab@nospamm.net> wrote in

> news:ezMc6dS5IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>

>>>Well, yes, true Frank-o, seems as you are wrong again.

>>

>>Well, dan-o, I don't assume that the features of OSX are the same as

>>the as the features of Vista Ultimate.

>

>

> I don't know, I don't have OSX, but I'm sure it's very similar.

>

>

>>>Tell me if you will, where I can by a full retail version of Vista,

>>>with ALL features, for $129 ?

>>>

>>>Or better yet, where can I buy a Vista 5-pack license for $199 ?

>>

>>Google is your friend dan-o.

>

>

> Is this your typical response when you can't provide an answer ?

 

Isn't that what you just did?

>

> How about this, you google and give me a link.

 

I don't work for you.

 

I gave you a link proving

> that OSX is less expensive than Vista.

 

No, you gave me a link that shows some prices for OSX at an Apple store.

Not comparative pricing with Vista. Anyway a dollar for dollar

comparison of the two is misleading. Only a comparison of features is

meaningful.

Maybe you get what you pay for?

 

You say it's not. Now provide a link

> showing Vista at a lower price....but you can't.

 

Try google.

 

Your talking out your

> frank again.

>

Frankly, I've lost interest in this matter. It's boring me.

You can keep beating it if you desire, as I no longer care.

Ringmaster wrote:

 

<snipped the rant>

 

As far as I am concerned, you should have no access to a computer, and

you should be strapped-up in a straight jacket.