"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> all

> new hardware!!

>

> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>

 

Oh good, another linsux lintard. If your to stupid to

get things working i Windows ghood luck to your

silly ass with linsux.

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4D0C79D3-3AD0-4AB0-BA7C-D0CD80395E3B@microsoft.com...

> Bill,

>

> Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that

> existing equipment would be supported?

>

>

Sounds like you still want to drive an Edsel

 

Backward compatibility and all that stuff is what users (like you most

likely) complain as bloated software. So make up your mind and get with the

future

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:02:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

<cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>Doesn't prove any point. If you talk to any major

>printer/scanner manufacturer, they will say the average

>lifecycle for their products is about 3 years. They

>do not want to continually develope new drivers

>for legacy hardware because they want you to purchase

>new hardware. That's just a fact of life.

 

Same could be said of OS software. Microsoft won't patch it or give

away major rewrites, they expect you to buy the latest version.

I have had several acquaintances that have asked me

about installing Windows Vista on their computers

currently running Windows XP. After talking to them

and realizing they have legacy printers, scanners and

other external hardware, I advised them to stay with

Windows XP. I also told them that when they buy

a new computer that will likely have Windows Vista

preinstalled, that they will also need to replace their old

hardware peripherals, most of which are several years

old and would not be supported with Windows Vista.

 

I do not like surprising people with an unexpected expense.

 

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows System & Performance

 

---------------------------------------------------------------

 

"Adam Albright" wrote:

 

>Doesn't prove any point. If you talk to any major

>printer/scanner manufacturer, they will say the average

>lifecycle for their products is about 3 years. They

>do not want to continually develope new drivers

>for legacy hardware because they want you to purchase

>new hardware. That's just a fact of life.

 

Same could be said of OS software. Microsoft won't patch it or give

away major rewrites, they expect you to buy the latest version.

If I were in the market today for a new computer,

this is exactly what I'd get:

 

HP Pavilion a6235x AMD Athlon TM 64 X2 Dual-Core 6000+ 3.0GHz Desktop

http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=7405464&Redir=1&description=HP-Pavilion%20a6235x%20AMD%20Athlon%20TM%2064%20X2%20Dual-Core%206000+%203.0GHz%20Desktop,%20Refurbished-Desktop%20Computers

 

HP Detailed Description:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01077676&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3577455&os=2093&lang=en

 

HIS Hightech H260XTP512DDN-R Radeon HD 2600XT 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported iSilence III Video

Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161203

 

(2) Crucial 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148166

 

Total Cost: $740.97 + Tax & Shipping

 

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows System & Performance

 

---------------------------------------------------------------

 

"Adam Albright" wrote:

>Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

>Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

>a new webcam for under $25.

 

Suggesting someone spend MORE after blowing a pile of money on Vista

that you keep crowing is the best OS "ever". Wow, I'm impressed with

you. Honest.

 

Reality check:

 

Cost of Vista Home Premium.... apx $120

required new graphic card..... apx $180

add 1 GM memory............... apx $110

new printer................... apx $150

new scanner................... apx $ 80

new wecam..................... apx $ 40

$680

 

Aggravation and time to get all

this new stuff to work......... priceless

Gordon, please stop insulting the users.

--

"...I fail to understand why they feel the need to convince people

who are happy with Vista that they are wrong. That is aside from the

self-esteem issues they must have -)"

—Mark R. Cusumano

 

 

"Gordon" wrote:

> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:%23N1sPrXoIHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > > Blaming and insulting a frustrated customer

>

> Even when the "customer" seems to be a complete dork?

>

>

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> all

> new hardware!!

>

> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>

 

Do you think for a microsecond it is different on a MAC????? If so you are

WRONG.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

news:44E53281-68DC-4FEA-BC41-65EC92A7DB91@microsoft.com...

> Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

> Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

> a new webcam for under $25.

>

> Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

> Flatbed

> Scanner - Retail:

> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

 

Had a Canon LiDE 20, drivers are the pits. Better to go with a All In One

from HP, they have drivers all over and a more standardized interface

accross models. Drivers also run on Linux and Vista. Stick to the ones

with lots of OS support and popular models. They tend to have drivers

longer and update them often.

> Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

> Interface WebCam - Retail:

> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

 

Why not get a stand alone model that has no dependencies on a fickle OS

interfaces like MS-Windows? This way, if he runs Win7 or Linux down the

road the Cam will work? By not buying a OS dependant model that uses a web

interface he isn't stuck with the replacement issues.

 

Something like:

 

http://www.dlink.com/products/category.asp?cid=60&sec=0

 

He also might have support for his webcan under Linux.

 

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams

 

and

 

http://connect.creativelabs.com/opensource/Lists/Webcam%20Support/AllItems.aspx

 

We should have to repurchase a house full of gadgets on every Microsoft OS

update.

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:44E53281-68DC-4FEA-BC41-65EC92A7DB91@microsoft.com...

>

>>Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

>>Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

>>a new webcam for under $25.

>>

>>Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

>>Flatbed

>>Scanner - Retail:

>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

>

>

> Had a Canon LiDE 20, drivers are the pits. Better to go with a All In One

> from HP, they have drivers all over and a more standardized interface

> accross models. Drivers also run on Linux and Vista. Stick to the ones

> with lots of OS support and popular models. They tend to have drivers

> longer and update them often.

>

>

>>Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

>>Interface WebCam - Retail:

>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

>

>

> Why not get a stand alone model that has no dependencies on a fickle OS

> interfaces like MS-Windows? This way, if he runs Win7 or Linux down the

> road the Cam will work? By not buying a OS dependant model that uses a web

> interface he isn't stuck with the replacement issues.

>

> Something like:

>

> http://www.dlink.com/products/category.asp?cid=60&sec=0

>

> He also might have support for his webcan under Linux.

>

> http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/30/one-man-writes-linux-drivers-for-235-usb-webcams

>

> and

>

> http://connect.creativelabs.com/opensource/Lists/Webcam%20Support/AllItems.aspx

>

> We should have to repurchase a house full of gadgets on every Microsoft OS

> update.

>

>

>

Are you really as dumb as you appear to be?

Or does sucking up to RS do that to fools like you huh?

Frank

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

news:5CBEF126-AFA8-4621-B52F-5CBA08A64897@microsoft.com...

> Doesn't prove any point. If you talk to any major

> printer/scanner manufacturer, they will say the average

> lifecycle for their products is about 3 years. They

> do not want to continually develope new drivers

> for legacy hardware because they want you to purchase

> new hardware. That's just a fact of life.

 

It the OS API was half decently thought out in the first place, it wouldn't

have to change every 3 years. If the driver interface was stable, it would

be trivial for vendors to supply the drivers. If a MS programmer could read

a spec and stick to it, even a MS one, the interfaces would not need to

change.

 

I think with Vista many vendors simple jumped off chasing APIs, and have

paced down the "jump on the newest" API thing. Plus, Vista is a pig.

Anyone in Redmond know C or how to write a decent spec? Or does the API

have to change every time a new pimple shows up?

 

It does prove a point. Much of technology is getting mature. No one is

going to notice the difference between a 4.0 megapixel camera and a 12 mega

pixel camera.... but they expect it to work more than 3 years.

 

Time for Microsoft to adopt some real standards and enough of Vista

crapware. MS-Windows based products are not worth the effort. I probably

wouldn't have even bought vista if it didn't come with the system. What a

POC.

 

// does not include sub-cases like SP1, SP6 or versions like Ultimate versus

not-so-Premium. Nor Server, low life versions, CE etc. We don't support

the 100+ variants of Windoze.

case (DOS)

// in bios, all versions, thank god

case (win1.0)

...

case (win2.0)

...

case (win3.0)

...

case (win3.1)

...

case (win3.11)

...

case (win95)

...

case (win98)

...

case (winme)

...

case (winnt3.5x)

...

case (win4.x)

...

case (win5.x)

...

case (win6.x)

...

case (cups) // Over 25 UNIX/Linux, 1995-present

...

case (lpd) // unix traditional, 198x to present

...

default:

// vendor gives up chasing API changes

 

 

The worst of CE+ME+NT == VISTA CEMENT

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgamil.com> wrote in message

news:%23wgVX3ZoIHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I have had several acquaintances that have asked me

> about installing Windows Vista on their computers

> currently running Windows XP. After talking to them

> and realizing they have legacy printers, scanners and

> other external hardware, I advised them to stay with

> Windows XP. I also told them that when they buy

> a new computer that will likely have Windows Vista

> preinstalled, that they will also need to replace their old

> hardware peripherals, most of which are several years

> old and would not be supported with Windows Vista.

>

> I do not like surprising people with an unexpected expense.

 

Good advice.

Canuck57, a lost POS idiot moron wrote:

 

-------------------------------------

 

You really got lost somewhere along the way didn't you.

I bet when you tell people you're an IT, they laugh behind your back.

Linux is POS toy os that nobody really wants on their desktop. It's free

but with less than .06% of users over 20yrs, it must be considered a

losing proposition...like you...LOL!

Frank

"Martin Burke" <mlburke@btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:1972458.cfMbipTz6h@martin@mb-laptop...

> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

>

>> Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

>> Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

>> a new webcam for under $25.

>>

>> Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

>> Flatbed Scanner - Retail:

>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

>>

>> Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

>> Interface WebCam - Retail:

>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

>>

>> --

>> Carey Frisch

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Desktop Experience -

>> Windows System & Performance

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "radelster" wrote:

>>

>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>

>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>

>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>

>>>

>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>>> all new hardware!!

>>>

>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>

>

> Why should you have to buy new hardware to run the next version of WinDoze

> when the hardware worked fine when you had Windows XP - ok so the driver

> was not signed (? what the) but hell it worked.

>

> The whole idea for Vista is supposed to be a better OS and help you work

> better. If thats the case we'd all better go back to using DOS

> applications. Most people never ever use the windows system to its full

> potential. You open up your email client, read the emails and send a few,

> CLOSE it down and open up your fave Web browser trawl through several

> thousand pages, CLOSE it down , open up your fave news reader and CLOSE it

> down. ARGHHH ITS A MULTI-TASKING ENVIRONMENT you can have them all open at

> once. Better still have multiple desktops and switch desktops.

>

> I refuse to buy new hardware when it works fine just because a dammed OS

> refuses to work with it, when theres a driver for it to use in XP. It just

> goes to show the Vista is NOT compatible with XP drivers, when it should

> be. Whats next it cant use USB 1.0 and will only work with USB 3.0 ? An

> upgrade OS should be compatable with the previous one drivers should be

> included with that too.

>

> Vista must have its good points but it seems that there are so many faults

> that no one has found them yet, when SP3 comes out it may just have had

> time to become a good OS to use.

 

The more you look at Vista, the more your see it's flaws.

 

Just looked at the driver signing issue in more depth. Vendors have delays

in sending drivers to MS to be signed. And in theory, if not already the

practice they could charge for it. Something like "If you want to run on

our OS, you pay me money". It sure looks as if this is the direction.

 

Not sure what hidden junk is in the DRM parts. But if some sales jerk tells

you HDMI is a feature, laugh. HDMI is so they can control what you hear and

watch. It isn't a customer feature at all. Just never ran Vista long

enough to find out.

 

And looking at good encryption the other day like IPSec, looks like Vista is

still broken when dealing with non-MS products. Heck, you can get OpenBSD,

Solaris and 1/2 dozen Linux to do IPSec together but Vista be brain dead

hear too.

 

As more users like you reject the "Vista" experience, and don't fall for the

MS lock-in-hype the closer we will get to better OSes.

 

Consider Linux. If you tried the horse sh1t MS is pulling with driver

signing and DRM, the Linux community would send you packing.

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4D0C79D3-3AD0-4AB0-BA7C-D0CD80395E3B@microsoft.com...

> Bill,

>

> Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that

> existing equipment would be supported?

>

> A. Because Microsoft conspires with hardware companies so that everyone

> will have to do what Adam posted, and spend tons of money just to keep

> doing,

> what they've always done!

>

>

> "Bill" wrote:

 

That is the idea. Milk the consumer.

"Paul Smith" <Paul@nospam.windowsresource.net> wrote in message

news:B7A6C4AE-67BC-43A8-9510-E341FD22FDD5@microsoft.com...

> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4D0C79D3-3AD0-4AB0-BA7C-D0CD80395E3B@microsoft.com...

>

>> Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that

>> existing equipment would be supported?

>>

>> A. Because Microsoft conspires with hardware companies so that everyone

>> will have to do what Adam posted, and spend tons of money just to keep

>> doing,

>> what they've always done!

>

> False. In many cases Windows XP drivers do actually work, its the

> manufacturers setup applications that detect an OS they weren't expecting

> and fail.

 

And are not Vista x64 drivers MUST be signed?

 

And with paultry 2GB of RAM, to use more effectively needs x64. Started

with XP at 512M, and the last version I used I put 3GB in it to get the

performance I needed. So as Vista grows, you will be forced 64 bit.

 

So, in effect, you need drivers signed. Cut the crap. For all intensive

purposes, drivers need signing.

> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.

 

Me, a shell user for over 25 years. Hope your not just discovering this

recently.

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Martin Burke" <mlburke@btinternet.com> wrote in message

> news:1972458.cfMbipTz6h@martin@mb-laptop...

>

>>Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

>>>Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

>>>a new webcam for under $25.

>>>

>>>Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

>>>Flatbed Scanner - Retail:

>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

>>>

>>>Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

>>>Interface WebCam - Retail:

>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

>>>

>>>--

>>>Carey Frisch

>>>Microsoft MVP

>>>Windows Desktop Experience -

>>>Windows System & Performance

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>"radelster" wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>>>pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>>

>>>>I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>>

>>>>I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>>>>all new hardware!!

>>>>

>>>>This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>>

>>

>>Why should you have to buy new hardware to run the next version of WinDoze

>>when the hardware worked fine when you had Windows XP - ok so the driver

>>was not signed (? what the) but hell it worked.

>>

>>The whole idea for Vista is supposed to be a better OS and help you work

>>better. If thats the case we'd all better go back to using DOS

>>applications. Most people never ever use the windows system to its full

>>potential. You open up your email client, read the emails and send a few,

>>CLOSE it down and open up your fave Web browser trawl through several

>>thousand pages, CLOSE it down , open up your fave news reader and CLOSE it

>>down. ARGHHH ITS A MULTI-TASKING ENVIRONMENT you can have them all open at

>>once. Better still have multiple desktops and switch desktops.

>>

>>I refuse to buy new hardware when it works fine just because a dammed OS

>>refuses to work with it, when theres a driver for it to use in XP. It just

>>goes to show the Vista is NOT compatible with XP drivers, when it should

>>be. Whats next it cant use USB 1.0 and will only work with USB 3.0 ? An

>>upgrade OS should be compatable with the previous one drivers should be

>>included with that too.

>>

>>Vista must have its good points but it seems that there are so many faults

>>that no one has found them yet, when SP3 comes out it may just have had

>>time to become a good OS to use.

>

>

> The more you look at Vista, the more your see it's flaws.

>

> Just looked at the driver signing issue in more depth. Vendors have delays

> in sending drivers to MS to be signed. And in theory, if not already the

> practice they could charge for it. Something like "If you want to run on

> our OS, you pay me money". It sure looks as if this is the direction.

>

> Not sure what hidden junk is in the DRM parts. But if some sales jerk tells

> you HDMI is a feature, laugh. HDMI is so they can control what you hear and

> watch. It isn't a customer feature at all. Just never ran Vista long

> enough to find out.

>

> And looking at good encryption the other day like IPSec, looks like Vista is

> still broken when dealing with non-MS products. Heck, you can get OpenBSD,

> Solaris and 1/2 dozen Linux to do IPSec together but Vista be brain dead

> hear too.

>

> As more users like you reject the "Vista" experience, and don't fall for the

> MS lock-in-hype the closer we will get to better OSes.

>

> Consider Linux. If you tried the horse sh1t MS is pulling with driver

> signing and DRM, the Linux community would send you packing.

>

>

More of your lies and assumed distortions?

More FUD...hehehehe...you're easily one of the most unaccomplished

trolls I've ever booted around in this ng.

You're just smart enough to outsmart your self.

Pathetic loser!

Frank

Canuck57 wrote:

> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4D0C79D3-3AD0-4AB0-BA7C-D0CD80395E3B@microsoft.com...

>

>>Bill,

>>

>>Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that

>>existing equipment would be supported?

>>

>>A. Because Microsoft conspires with hardware companies so that everyone

>>will have to do what Adam posted, and spend tons of money just to keep

>>doing,

>>what they've always done!

>>

>>

>>"Bill" wrote:

>

>

> That is the idea. Milk the consumer.

>

>

Versus linux, fool the consumer.

Frank

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

news:%230a4gTZoIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Microsoft do NOT conspire with peripheral hardware manufacturers. The

> hardware manufacturers use a change in OS to get some new sales. It is not

> in the interests of hardware manufacturers to continually provide drivers

> for older equipment. At some point, they need to generate new sales.

 

While I will state I can't prove it, it is my opinion that MS does in fact

influence drives quite a bit. First off, it is their API. But more. Why

then would the likes of Broadcom with Linux reference sources not release

the code to Linux? Why would they only produce MS-Windows drivers when in

fact their reference design uses Linux?

 

Sure looks like it to me, the perception is - hey, want your drivers in at

MS, close the source.

 

It might be better phrased that it isn't in Microsoft's best interests to

keep the driver interface constant as to stem new leverage for MS to

maintain a monopoly environment. Especially since this model moves them

closer to charging for the privilege of running on their OS. Which is

really where it is headed.

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

news:66sahpF2luqa4U4@mid.individual.net...

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:39:03 -0700, radelster wrote:

>

>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> DELL, for one, still offers a selection of computers for sale with xp

> rather than vista installed. They also offer several with Ubuntu Linux

> installed in place of any MS offering.

 

You got the selected computers correct.

 

Lets add expensive and non-home users PCs to it.

"Don" <burnettedclothes@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1179330F-DA64-4BE9-A5D4-2CFD94CC4FAD@microsoft.com...

>

>

> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>

>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>

>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>

>>

>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>> all

>> new hardware!!

>>

>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>

>

>

> If it were me, I believe I would raise heck with the scanner mfg, for NOT

> developing drivers, for Vista, on just a 2 year old scanner.

> Same with the webcam, although if it is an older one probably

> understandable, those things pretty cheap these days.

>

> I have an HP Printer/scanner that is even older than two years, that they

> offered Vista drivers for, even for 64 bit Vista that I am running.

 

HP I will say has been good with this in recent years. Even supports Linux

in the All In One Series. Vista x64 too.

 

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bpu00658&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&product=1146331

"smbdymf" <smbdymf@smbdymf.com> wrote in message

news:ulDg8bZoIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>

>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>

>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>

>>

>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>> all

>> new hardware!!

>>

>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>

>

> Oh good, another linsux lintard. If your to stupid to

> get things working i Windows ghood luck to your

> silly ass with linsux.

 

I dare say a distro like Ubuntu or Fedora has better driver support now than

does say Vista x64. Certainly done have code signing headaches.

I Agree With You 100%, Just FYI. Open Source Linux Ubuntu Is The Way 2 Go,

Also Just FYI. I Remain Proud 2 Call Myself Alias #2, Also Just FYI.

 

"Canuck57" wrote:

>

> "Martin Burke" <mlburke@btinternet.com> wrote in message

> news:1972458.cfMbipTz6h@martin@mb-laptop...

> > Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> >

> >> Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

> >> Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

> >> a new webcam for under $25.

> >>

> >> Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

> >> Flatbed Scanner - Retail:

> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

> >>

> >> Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

> >> Interface WebCam - Retail:

> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

> >>

> >> --

> >> Carey Frisch

> >> Microsoft MVP

> >> Windows Desktop Experience -

> >> Windows System & Performance

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> "radelster" wrote:

> >>

> >>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> >>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

> >>>

> >>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

> >>>

> >>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> >>> all new hardware!!

> >>>

> >>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

> >>>

> >

> > Why should you have to buy new hardware to run the next version of WinDoze

> > when the hardware worked fine when you had Windows XP - ok so the driver

> > was not signed (? what the) but hell it worked.

> >

> > The whole idea for Vista is supposed to be a better OS and help you work

> > better. If thats the case we'd all better go back to using DOS

> > applications. Most people never ever use the windows system to its full

> > potential. You open up your email client, read the emails and send a few,

> > CLOSE it down and open up your fave Web browser trawl through several

> > thousand pages, CLOSE it down , open up your fave news reader and CLOSE it

> > down. ARGHHH ITS A MULTI-TASKING ENVIRONMENT you can have them all open at

> > once. Better still have multiple desktops and switch desktops.

> >

> > I refuse to buy new hardware when it works fine just because a dammed OS

> > refuses to work with it, when theres a driver for it to use in XP. It just

> > goes to show the Vista is NOT compatible with XP drivers, when it should

> > be. Whats next it cant use USB 1.0 and will only work with USB 3.0 ? An

> > upgrade OS should be compatable with the previous one drivers should be

> > included with that too.

> >

> > Vista must have its good points but it seems that there are so many faults

> > that no one has found them yet, when SP3 comes out it may just have had

> > time to become a good OS to use.

>

> The more you look at Vista, the more your see it's flaws.

>

> Just looked at the driver signing issue in more depth. Vendors have delays

> in sending drivers to MS to be signed. And in theory, if not already the

> practice they could charge for it. Something like "If you want to run on

> our OS, you pay me money". It sure looks as if this is the direction.

>

> Not sure what hidden junk is in the DRM parts. But if some sales jerk tells

> you HDMI is a feature, laugh. HDMI is so they can control what you hear and

> watch. It isn't a customer feature at all. Just never ran Vista long

> enough to find out.

>

> And looking at good encryption the other day like IPSec, looks like Vista is

> still broken when dealing with non-MS products. Heck, you can get OpenBSD,

> Solaris and 1/2 dozen Linux to do IPSec together but Vista be brain dead

> hear too.

>

> As more users like you reject the "Vista" experience, and don't fall for the

> MS lock-in-hype the closer we will get to better OSes.

>

> Consider Linux. If you tried the horse sh1t MS is pulling with driver

> signing and DRM, the Linux community would send you packing.

>

>

>

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:%230a4gTZoIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>

>>Microsoft do NOT conspire with peripheral hardware manufacturers. The

>>hardware manufacturers use a change in OS to get some new sales. It is not

>>in the interests of hardware manufacturers to continually provide drivers

>>for older equipment. At some point, they need to generate new sales.

>

>

> While I will state I can't prove it, it is my opinion that MS does in fact

> influence drives quite a bit. First off, it is their API. But more. Why

> then would the likes of Broadcom with Linux reference sources not release

> the code to Linux? Why would they only produce MS-Windows drivers when in

> fact their reference design uses Linux?

 

Ask them.

>

> Sure looks like it to me, the perception is - hey, want your drivers in at

> MS, close the source.

>

Paranoid, maybe?

Or think you know something but you really don't. I'll bet on the latter.

> It might be better phrased that it isn't in Microsoft's best interests to

> keep the driver interface constant as to stem new leverage for MS to

> maintain a monopoly environment.

 

Hummm...now your searching...

 

Especially since this model moves them

> closer to charging for the privilege of running on their OS.

 

Oh, now you're delusional.

 

Which is

> really where it is headed.

 

So you drank the whole barrel of kool-aid, huh!

Hahaha...I'd say get a life but it's obvious you're far beyond doing

that...LOL!

Hate is powerful motivation!

Frank

Canuck57 wrote:

> "smbdymf" <smbdymf@smbdymf.com> wrote in message

> news:ulDg8bZoIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>>"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

>>

>>>Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>>pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>

>>>I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>

>>>I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>

>>>

>>>So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>>>all

>>>new hardware!!

>>>

>>>This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>

>>

>>Oh good, another linsux lintard. If your to stupid to

>>get things working i Windows ghood luck to your

>>silly ass with linsux.

>

>

> I dare say a distro like Ubuntu or Fedora has better driver support now than

> does say Vista x64. Certainly done have code signing headaches.

>

>

I'd say you're a stupid POS lying linux troll who knows nothing at all

about Vista...especially Vista X64 or how it works!

You're really proving to be a stupid idiot, even after 35+yrs as a shell

user.

Are you sure that's not referencing Shell gasoline...LOL!

Frank

"Sam" <spam@me.not> wrote in message

news:57D3547B-6F41-4A7F-9D98-4C097F0FBA8D@microsoft.com...

> Gordon, please stop insulting the users.

 

I'm not. The OP obviously hasn't the intelligence to be a "user"...