"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

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>

> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:9B18ADF6-E64A-4481-B5CE-C23B1BD9E308@microsoft.com...

>>

>>

>> "radelster" wrote:

>>

>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>

>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>

>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>

>>>

>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>>> all

>>> new hardware!!

>>>

>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>

>> There is a new version Ubuntu 8.04 coming out next Thursday, why don't

>> you

>> give it a try. See whether you like it and what it can offer you.

>

> He is already having enough trouble. Why put some piece of crap OS like

> Ubuntu in the mix? You think he doesn't like computers now? Wait till he

> trys and get Ubuntu to do what he wants. He will toss the baby out with

> the bathwater.

>

>

Amen. Great advice. Mugabe will drive him nuts!

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> all

> new hardware!!

>

> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

 

As you have probably heard its not Vista or MS that doesn't have drivers, it's

the manufacturer of your scanner and webcam that should have either provided

drivers to MS or their users. Clearly they want you to purchase new

hardware.

 

Once again its not a MS problem.

 

Bill

xfile687366 Wrote:

> I assume you are not born to know that or maybe you are and you are born

> to

> know anything and everything.

>

> But ordinary people like myself are learned from someone at some point.

> So

> people may have made mistakes or maybe it's not totally wrong (e.g.

> generic

> drivers should have been included?) and what's wrong for the customer

> to

> complain? Don't like complaints? Don't sell products.

>

>

>

> "Gordon" <gbplinux@xxxxxx> wrote in message

> news:fuanjr$lpk$1@xxxxxx> > >

> > > "xfile" <coucou@xxxxxx> wrote in message

> > > news:eWBfaxXoIHA.2068@xxxxxx

> > >

> > > Well the "customer" in this case never looked (apparently) at the

> > > manufacturers websites of both his scanner or his webcam for updated

> > > drivers and then blames MICROSOFT when they don't work.

> > > A DORK of the first water. > >

Psychology101 people who like to "belittle" others in order to make

themslves look "big" are the ones with Inferior Complex. They are

pre-empting to hide their ineptness.

We always have people with wrong skill in wrong line of jobs. In this

case, wrong people in complaint dept. It's personnel problem, please

don't blame the products.

Relax, don't let silly thing/people bother you. Life is short.

 

 

--

t-4-2

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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> "Jasper" <Jasper@faraway.ca> wrote in message

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>>

>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

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>>>

>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:9B18ADF6-E64A-4481-B5CE-C23B1BD9E308@microsoft.com...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "radelster" wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>>>

>>>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>>>

>>>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and

>>>>> buy all

>>>>> new hardware!!

>>>>>

>>>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>>>

>>>> There is a new version Ubuntu 8.04 coming out next Thursday, why don't

>>>> you

>>>> give it a try. See whether you like it and what it can offer you.

>>>

>>> He is already having enough trouble. Why put some piece of crap OS like

>>> Ubuntu in the mix? You think he doesn't like computers now? Wait till

>>> he trys and get Ubuntu to do what he wants. He will toss the baby out

>>> with the bathwater.

>>>

>>>

>> I installed Ubuntu once, Webcam Did not work (Logitech Communicate STX),

>> Wireless USB adapter did not work (D-Link), No sound drivers (Creative

>> Fx-i) Could not get widescreen resolutions to work (Nvidia 8800GT) never

>> mind getting software to work right.

>>

>

> And did you use the Live CD to TEST all that or did you just dive right in

> like the idiot it seems you are?

 

The Live CD runs then you are screwed because your wireless network does not

work to get any updates or drivers. I install the OS and the problem is

still there now what?

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>

> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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>> "Jasper" <Jasper@faraway.ca> wrote in message

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>>>

>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

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>>>>

>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "radelster" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>>>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and

>>>>>> buy all

>>>>>> new hardware!!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>>>>

>>>>> There is a new version Ubuntu 8.04 coming out next Thursday, why don't

>>>>> you

>>>>> give it a try. See whether you like it and what it can offer you.

>>>>

>>>> He is already having enough trouble. Why put some piece of crap OS

>>>> like Ubuntu in the mix? You think he doesn't like computers now? Wait

>>>> till he trys and get Ubuntu to do what he wants. He will toss the baby

>>>> out with the bathwater.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> I installed Ubuntu once, Webcam Did not work (Logitech Communicate STX),

>>> Wireless USB adapter did not work (D-Link), No sound drivers (Creative

>>> Fx-i) Could not get widescreen resolutions to work (Nvidia 8800GT) never

>>> mind getting software to work right.

>>>

>>

>> And did you use the Live CD to TEST all that or did you just dive right

>> in like the idiot it seems you are?

>

> The Live CD runs then you are screwed because your wireless network does

> not work to get any updates or drivers. I install the OS and the problem

> is still there now what?

>

 

How about you ask in an UBUNTU forum?

Hello asshole, I mean Gordon.

 

First - I have been in IT for over 20 years,

2nd. I visited the website for the manufacturer of both the scanner and the

webcam. Both have stated there will be no device drivers for Vista.

3rd - yes, I did take a crap this morning, sorry I failed to mention that in

my original post.

 

The point I was trying to make is that software companies come out with all

these new *wonderful* operating systems to make things *better*, but in order

to take advantage of those operating systems, you usually need to upgrade all

your hardware. This of course makes all the hardware manufacturers VERY

happy, because they get to sell more over-priced stuff that would've

otherwise sat on their shelves because everything was fine with what they had.

 

 

For those who genuinely cared about the situation, thank you.

The scanner is a Visioneer 9000, USB.

The webcam is a logictech, basic IM cam.

 

For those of you related to Gordon who have nothing better to do - get a life.

 

 

"Gordon" wrote:

> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:eWBfaxXoIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > If you have the guts to not taking their business and money.

> >

>

> Well the "customer" in this case never looked (apparently) at the

> manufacturers websites of both his scanner or his webcam for updated drivers

> and then blames MICROSOFT when they don't work.

> A DORK of the first water.

>

>

A troll???

 

well, again I happen to think you are an ASSHOLE.

 

ok?

 

Would not own a dell, yes, yes - both are no longer supported by their

companies but they do provide links to by NEW equipment.

 

And this is not my first issue with Vista. Media Player 11 had several

issues with buffering. Got no ASSistance looking through these forums, and

got no help from Microsoft because the software was OEM. Both my ISP and

the PC manufacturer spent several hours with me determining there was no

other issue with the PC or internet connection, but was in fact a software

issue.

 

 

 

"Gordon" wrote:

> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

> > Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> > pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> Rubbish Dell is still selling XP machines...

>

> >

> > I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> And did you go to the manufacturers web site to see if there was a Vista

> driver?

>

> >

> > I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

> And did you go to the manufacturers web site to see if there was a Vista

> driver?

>

> >

> >

> > So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> > all

> > new hardware!!

> >

>

> I think you are a TROLL.

>

>

Priceless response Adam. Thank you.

 

"Adam Albright" wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:03:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP]

> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote:

>

> >Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

> >Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

> >a new webcam for under $25.

>

> Suggesting someone spend MORE after blowing a pile of money on Vista

> that you keep crowing is the best OS "ever". Wow, I'm impressed with

> you. Honest.

>

> Reality check:

>

> Cost of Vista Home Premium.... apx $120

> required new graphic card..... apx $180

> add 1 GM memory............... apx $110

> new printer................... apx $150

> new scanner................... apx $ 80

> new wecam..................... apx $ 40

> $680

>

> Aggravation and time to get all

> this new stuff to work......... priceless

>

>

>

>

Bill,

 

Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that

existing equipment would be supported?

 

A. Because Microsoft conspires with hardware companies so that everyone

will have to do what Adam posted, and spend tons of money just to keep doing,

what they've always done!

 

 

"Bill" wrote:

>

>

> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

> > Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> > pre-installed, no options for XP.

> >

> > I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

> >

> > I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

> >

> >

> > So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> > all

> > new hardware!!

> >

> > This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>

> As you have probably heard its not Vista or MS that doesn't have drivers, it's

> the manufacturer of your scanner and webcam that should have either provided

> drivers to MS or their users. Clearly they want you to purchase new

> hardware.

>

> Once again its not a MS problem.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

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> "Jasper" <Jasper@faraway.ca> wrote in message

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>>

>> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:fuam22$iec$1@news.mixmin.net...

>>> "Jasper" <Jasper@faraway.ca> wrote in message

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>>>>

>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

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>>>>>

>>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:9B18ADF6-E64A-4481-B5CE-C23B1BD9E308@microsoft.com...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "radelster" wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>>>>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and

>>>>>>> buy all

>>>>>>> new hardware!!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> There is a new version Ubuntu 8.04 coming out next Thursday, why

>>>>>> don't you

>>>>>> give it a try. See whether you like it and what it can offer you.

>>>>>

>>>>> He is already having enough trouble. Why put some piece of crap OS

>>>>> like Ubuntu in the mix? You think he doesn't like computers now?

>>>>> Wait till he trys and get Ubuntu to do what he wants. He will toss the

>>>>> baby out with the bathwater.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> I installed Ubuntu once, Webcam Did not work (Logitech Communicate

>>>> STX), Wireless USB adapter did not work (D-Link), No sound drivers

>>>> (Creative Fx-i) Could not get widescreen resolutions to work (Nvidia

>>>> 8800GT) never mind getting software to work right.

>>>>

>>>

>>> And did you use the Live CD to TEST all that or did you just dive right

>>> in like the idiot it seems you are?

>>

>> The Live CD runs then you are screwed because your wireless network does

>> not work to get any updates or drivers. I install the OS and the problem

>> is still there now what?

>>

>

> How about you ask in an UBUNTU forum?

I am not asking for help. I am making a point that Ubuntu is useless and

does not work as some that post in this NG would like us to believe. If I

was not happy with XP pro and Vista I would go with an Apple system like a

Mac Pro.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:39:03 -0700, radelster wrote:

> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> pre-installed, no options for XP.

 

DELL, for one, still offers a selection of computers for sale with xp

rather than vista installed. They also offer several with Ubuntu Linux

installed in place of any MS offering.

 

>

> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> all new hardware!!

>

> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:46:44 -0700, Frank wrote:

> radelster wrote:

>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>

>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> What model is your scanner?

>>

>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

> What model is your webcam?

>>

>>

>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and

>> buy all new hardware!!

>

> I've got hardware that is 5-7yrs old that works with Vista.

>>

>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>

> Oh? You've found an OS that has more compatibility than Windows? Pray

> tell what it is?

> Frank

>>

 

Linux.

ray wrote:

>>Oh? You've found an OS that has more compatibility than Windows? Pray

>>tell what it is?

>>Frank

>>

>

> Linux.

 

Liar!

Frank

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> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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>> "Jasper" <Jasper@faraway.ca> wrote in message

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>>> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message

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>>>> "Jasper" <Jasper@faraway.ca> wrote in message

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>>>>>

>>>>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:egUPxbXoIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "brummyfan" <brummyfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:9B18ADF6-E64A-4481-B5CE-C23B1BD9E308@microsoft.com...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "radelster" wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>>>>>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out

>>>>>>>> and buy all

>>>>>>>> new hardware!!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> There is a new version Ubuntu 8.04 coming out next Thursday, why

>>>>>>> don't you

>>>>>>> give it a try. See whether you like it and what it can offer you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> He is already having enough trouble. Why put some piece of crap OS

>>>>>> like Ubuntu in the mix? You think he doesn't like computers now?

>>>>>> Wait till he trys and get Ubuntu to do what he wants. He will toss

>>>>>> the baby out with the bathwater.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>> I installed Ubuntu once, Webcam Did not work (Logitech Communicate

>>>>> STX), Wireless USB adapter did not work (D-Link), No sound drivers

>>>>> (Creative Fx-i) Could not get widescreen resolutions to work (Nvidia

>>>>> 8800GT) never mind getting software to work right.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And did you use the Live CD to TEST all that or did you just dive right

>>>> in like the idiot it seems you are?

>>>

>>> The Live CD runs then you are screwed because your wireless network does

>>> not work to get any updates or drivers. I install the OS and the problem

>>> is still there now what?

>>>

>>

>> How about you ask in an UBUNTU forum?

> I am not asking for help. I am making a point that Ubuntu is useless and

> does not work as some that post in this NG would like us to believe.

 

And Vista is useless and does not work as some others in this forum would

have us believe....

"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message

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>

> Blaming and insulting a frustrated customer is the worst thing that could

> happen, assuming you are pro MS and not send by Linux community,

> otherwise, you have done an excellent job.

>

> You and a few other fanbois really are the biggest enemy of the company by

> insulting and attacking their paying and suffering customers. Linux and

> Apple all owe you a big thank you. Keep Up the Good Work!!!

 

Actually, I suspect Microsoft encourages it. If they were smart they would

let vendors boot up and ask the user which OS they want, "Will that be

Vista, XP or other".

 

But Microsoft enjoys it when users are not happy with Vista and re-purchase

a second OS called XP. Gives them more revenue. This isn't customer

friendly.

 

http://www.blimptv.net/mostpopularV1.html

 

 

> "David B." <nomail@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:eUxIlSXoIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> So you failed to do research before you bought your new PC, typical for

>> people that rant afterwards about compatibility issues. If you HAD done

>> research you would have determined that you can still get a PC with XP on

>> it, you would have also determined that the hardware you mentioned wasn't

>> compatible.

>>

>> --

>>

>> ----

>> Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

>> How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

>> _________________________________________________________________________________

>>

>>

>> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

>>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>>

>>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>>

>>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>>

>>>

>>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>>> all

>>> new hardware!!

>>>

>>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>>

>>

>

>

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

news:44E53281-68DC-4FEA-BC41-65EC92A7DB91@microsoft.com...

> Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

> Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

> a new webcam for under $25.

 

Just proves the point, Vista will cost many more than they thought.

>

> Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

> Flatbed

> Scanner - Retail:

> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

>

> Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

> Interface WebCam - Retail:

> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

>

> --

> Carey Frisch

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Desktop Experience -

> Windows System & Performance

>

>

>

>

> "radelster" wrote:

>

>> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>>

>> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>>

>> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>>

>>

>> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

>> all

>> new hardware!!

>>

>> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> all

> new hardware!!

>

> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>

 

 

If it were me, I believe I would raise heck with the scanner mfg, for NOT

developing drivers, for Vista, on just a 2 year old scanner.

Same with the webcam, although if it is an older one probably

understandable, those things pretty cheap these days.

 

I have an HP Printer/scanner that is even older than two years, that they

offered Vista drivers for, even for 64 bit Vista that I am running.

 

 

 

 

 

--

Don

My system:

 

HP Pavilion a1748x (refurbished)...$369 (Vista Home Premium preinstalled)

2GB 667MHz RAM............................ 82

ATI 512MB Radeon HD 2600 Pro......78

 

Total.................................................. $529

 

My 5-year old HP 2110 PSC All-in-One worked fine with

Vista, but it recently died. Found a bargain at OfficeMax for

a discontinued HP Photosmart C5180 All-in -One for

only $95.

 

Specs:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00841366&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3352647&lang=en

 

Having a dual-core CPU really makes a difference running Vista.

My old P4 3.0GHZ system worked well with Vista, but the dual-

core system handles Vista much, much better.

 

It seems most computer manufacturers install the slow

533MHz RAM. Upgrading to 667 or 800 MHz RAM

makes a huge difference in Vista's performance.

 

My HP Pavilion a1748x has been a rock-solid performer

and never had a difficulties...no blue screens, no freeze-ups,

absolutely nothing to complain about.

 

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows System & Performance

 

---------------------------------------------------------------

 

"Adam Albright" wrote:

 

Suggesting someone spend MORE after blowing a pile of money on Vista

that you keep crowing is the best OS "ever". Wow, I'm impressed with

you. Honest.

 

Reality check:

 

Cost of Vista Home Premium.... apx $120

required new graphic card..... apx $180

add 1 GM memory............... apx $110

new printer................... apx $150

new scanner................... apx $ 80

new wecam..................... apx $ 40

$680

 

Aggravation and time to get all

this new stuff to work......... priceless

Doesn't prove any point. If you talk to any major

printer/scanner manufacturer, they will say the average

lifecycle for their products is about 3 years. They

do not want to continually develope new drivers

for legacy hardware because they want you to purchase

new hardware. That's just a fact of life.

 

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows System & Performance

 

 

 

 

"Canuck57" wrote:

>

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:44E53281-68DC-4FEA-BC41-65EC92A7DB91@microsoft.com...

>

> > Your problem is easily solved! You can purchase a

> > Windows Vista Certified scanner for under $50 and

> > a new webcam for under $25.

>

> Just proves the point, Vista will cost many more than they thought.

>

> >

> > Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 0307B001 1200 x 2400 dpi 48bit USB Interface

> > Flatbed

> > Scanner - Retail:

> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16838111121

> >

> > Microsoft LifeCam VX-1000 0.31 MP Effective Pixels 640 x 480 30fps USB

> > Interface WebCam - Retail:

> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105054

> >

> > --

> > Carey Frisch

> > Microsoft MVP

> > Windows Desktop Experience -

> > Windows System & Performance

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "radelster" wrote:

> >

> >> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> >> pre-installed, no options for XP.

> >>

> >> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

> >>

> >> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

> >>

> >>

> >> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> >> all

> >> new hardware!!

> >>

> >> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

> >>

>

>

>

Thanks Don, and I did.

 

As stated, I purchased the thing 2 years ago, after the previous one from

the same manufacturer died. Now they offer only 2 'home' user scanners, the

cheapest at about $85. I told them they obviously were not interested in

the home user market. The response?

 

is there anything else I can help you with

 

"Don" wrote:

>

>

> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

> > Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> > pre-installed, no options for XP.

> >

> > I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

> >

> > I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

> >

> >

> > So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> > all

> > new hardware!!

> >

> > This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

> >

>

>

> If it were me, I believe I would raise heck with the scanner mfg, for NOT

> developing drivers, for Vista, on just a 2 year old scanner.

> Same with the webcam, although if it is an older one probably

> understandable, those things pretty cheap these days.

>

> I have an HP Printer/scanner that is even older than two years, that they

> offered Vista drivers for, even for 64 bit Vista that I am running.

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Don

>

>

>

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4D0C79D3-3AD0-4AB0-BA7C-D0CD80395E3B@microsoft.com...

> Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that

> existing equipment would be supported?

>

> A. Because Microsoft conspires with hardware companies so that everyone

> will have to do what Adam posted, and spend tons of money just to keep

> doing,

> what they've always done!

 

False. In many cases Windows XP drivers do actually work, its the

manufacturers setup applications that detect an OS they weren't expecting

and fail.

 

--

Paul Smith,

Yeovil, UK.

Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.

http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/

http://www.windowsresource.net/

 

*Remove nospam. to reply by e-mail*

Yeah, that sucks, unfortunately that is the way many manufacturers go these

days.

I believe I would stay away from them.

 

 

Don

 

 

 

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:495A14FB-EDDF-4C5E-B9DD-D5AD5CB18C4F@microsoft.com...

> Thanks Don, and I did.

>

> As stated, I purchased the thing 2 years ago, after the previous one from

> the same manufacturer died. Now they offer only 2 'home' user scanners,

> the

> cheapest at about $85. I told them they obviously were not interested in

> the home user market. The response?

>

> is there anything else I can help you with

>

> "Don" wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

>> > Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>> > pre-installed, no options for XP.

>> >

>> > I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>> >

>> > I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>> >

>> >

>> > So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and

>> > buy

>> > all

>> > new hardware!!

>> >

>> > This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>> >

>>

>>

>> If it were me, I believe I would raise heck with the scanner mfg, for NOT

>> developing drivers, for Vista, on just a 2 year old scanner.

>> Same with the webcam, although if it is an older one probably

>> understandable, those things pretty cheap these days.

>>

>> I have an HP Printer/scanner that is even older than two years, that they

>> offered Vista drivers for, even for 64 bit Vista that I am running.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Don

>>

>>

>>

radelster wrote:

 

------------------------------------------

 

Have you tried installing the XP drivers for your hardware using

compatibility mode?

Frank

"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4D0C79D3-3AD0-4AB0-BA7C-D0CD80395E3B@microsoft.com...

> Bill,

>

> Q. Why would Vista not allow for backward compatible drivers so that

> existing equipment would be supported?

>

> A. Because Microsoft conspires with hardware companies so that everyone

> will have to do what Adam posted, and spend tons of money just to keep

> doing,

> what they've always done!

>

>

> "Bill" wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> "radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

>> > Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

>> > pre-installed, no options for XP.

>> >

>> > I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>> >

>> > I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>> >

>> >

>> > So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and

>> > buy

>> > all

>> > new hardware!!

>> >

>> > This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>>

>> As you have probably heard its not Vista or MS that doesn't have drivers,

>> it's

>> the manufacturer of your scanner and webcam that should have either

>> provided

>> drivers to MS or their users. Clearly they want you to purchase new

>> hardware.

>>

>> Once again its not a MS problem.

>>

>> Bill

>>

>>

>>

 

 

Software can be written to include specific identifiers which essentially

stop it installing on an OS not recognized.

 

Microsoft do NOT conspire with peripheral hardware manufacturers. The

hardware manufacturers use a change in OS to get some new sales. It is not

in the interests of hardware manufacturers to continually provide drivers

for older equipment. At some point, they need to generate new sales.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

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"radelster" <radelster@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4E211BAE-63D8-4C50-9A83-98AF0B22AA94@microsoft.com...

> Had to upgrade to a new PC, and most every new PC comes with Vista

> pre-installed, no options for XP.

>

> I try hooking up my 2 year old scanner - no Vista driver.

>

> I try hooking up a webcam a friend gave me - no Vista driver

>

>

> So the whole purpose of upgrading to Vista was so I could go out and buy

> all

> new hardware!!

>

> This will be my last PC with a microsoft OS.

>

 

Oh good, another linsux lintard. If your to stupid to

get things working i Windows ghood luck to your

silly ass with linsux.