"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

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> Medium Matt wrote:

>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I'm after informed opinions if possible...

>>

>> I'm going to be building a new pc soon. The supplier has copies of XP in

>> stock so I was going to get one (since I have used XP for several years

>> without major issues) but I am wondering about Vista.

>>

>> The computer will be used for web browsing, home office & some games. Is

>> there any advantage to Vista over XP (other than continued support)? I

>> have tried looking at the product descriptions but have not seen anything

>> to swing the decision. Since all I am wanting is an operating system

>> that lets me use the software etc I currently have, should I buy another

>> copy of the XP I am familiar with or (the untried by me) Vista?

>>

>> Thanks in advance for any advice,

>>

>> Matt

>

> If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

> needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say install

> Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

> Frank

 

But make sure all the parts he buys are compatible with XP and Linux, which

they probably are.

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

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> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fuah5j$apu$7@aioe.org...

>> Frank wrote:

>>> Medium Matt wrote:

>>>

>>>> Hi,

>>>>

>>>> I'm after informed opinions if possible...

>>>>

>>>> I'm going to be building a new pc soon. The supplier has copies of XP

>>>> in stock so I was going to get one (since I have used XP for several

>>>> years without major issues) but I am wondering about Vista.

>>>>

>>>> The computer will be used for web browsing, home office & some games.

>>>> Is there any advantage to Vista over XP (other than continued support)?

>>>> I have tried looking at the product descriptions but have not seen

>>>> anything to swing the decision. Since all I am wanting is an operating

>>>> system that lets me use the software etc I currently have, should I buy

>>>> another copy of the XP I am familiar with or (the untried by me) Vista?

>>>>

>>>> Thanks in advance for any advice,

>>>>

>>>> Matt

>>>

>>> If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

>>> needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say install

>>> Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

>>> Frank

>>

>> Before you take the advice of this low life, take a gander at some his

>> posts and then decide if he's credible:

>>

>> Who cares about what you like or dislike or support...you're a nobody.

>> Got it? You are a nobody...no one cares about your stupid life or your

>> bullsh*t diatribes about anything.

>> Get lost you jerk.

>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 19, 2007

>>

>> You're one sick lying fukk!!! No one...NO ONE believes you!!!

>> You are an admitted liar...a linux troll...an atheist and proly a commie

>> bastard and a real loser of a jerk.

>> Get lost!

>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 19, 2007

>>

>> Of course it will. But then again, you don't have Vista so you don't

>> really know now do you mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie bastard.

>> LOL!!!

>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 20, 2007

>>

>> What a childishly immature POS lying as*hole you are.

>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 23, 2007

>>

>> jake wrote:

>>

>>

>> ...just his usual delusional bullsh*t from some unknown blogger.

>> Get a real life you idiot!

>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>

>> You're infested with Vista demons capin' crunch. Is that a result of not

>> taking your meds or are you just naturally that fukkin stupid?

>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>

>> Who the fukk do you think you are...mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie

>> bastard....

>> Go screw yourself!

>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>

>> flambe wrote:

>>

>> ...nothing but a bunch of uninformed lies and bullsh*t.

>> Grow up as*hole and face the fact that you're STUPID!

>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 31, 2007

>>

>> Wrong again you POS lying linux loser.

>> Get a life you moron.

>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>

>> You need to stop making a fool out of yourself mr liar.

>> You are a known troll and a pathological liar.

>> Get lost you stupid POS moron loser.

>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>

>> Ahahaha...of all the people who post to ng's...of all the lunies,

>> wackos, morons, idiots and just plain'o losers...you my friend are at the

>> very top of that heap of sh*theads...LOL!

>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 5, 2008

>>

>> ...FUKK!!! You're so full of sh*t I can almost smell you thru the

>> Internet!

>> Get a life you stupid POS moron idiot!

>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 7, 2008

>>

>>

>> hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an

>> idiot...something that you've just done.

>> Use XP until the hell freezes over.

>> Frank MPWVG, Jan 10, 2008

>>

>> Try sticking both of your feet into your big mouth at the same time

>> butt-munch!

>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>

>> Why? You too stupid to know how to use Vista.

>> Loser.

>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>

>> I know you're a cross-dressing unemployed RS arse kissing lying linux

>> troll POS, but are you also a slobbering fukkin drunk too?

>> Sure sounds like it you ignorant as*hole...LOL!

>> Frank, MPWVG 1/17/08

>>

>> Well 'nostop" hahaha...(what a fukkin handle that is!), I guess you

>> forgot to read huh?

>> Hey, here's a proper sentence...go fukk yourself you stupid

>> cross-dressing POS lying linux troll.

>> Got it?

>> Want some more?

>> Just let me know I do so enjoy bit*h slapping your ignorant arse all

>> over the place.

>> Loser!

>> Frank Vista General, 1/26/08

>>

>> You would never says the outrageous and perverted insults you said about

>> my mother, wife and daughter to my face for fear of having the living

>> sh*t beaten out of you.

>> Pray we never meet!

>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>

>> Pray...pray harder and more often than you ever have, that we never,

>> ever meet in person!

>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>

>> No but it is certainly higher than your IQ...LOL!

>> Hey...how is that love affair with that sheep coming along? Everybody

>> happy I hope...LOL!

>> Frank, Vista General, 3/9/08

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> His opinion of you has no bearing on his technical knowledge..

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> How to construct a good post..

> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

> Mike's Window - My Blog..

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

I haven't seen a constructive post from Frank yet, have you?

 

Shell/User 35+ years.

Canuck57, the lying linux loser wrote:

 

-----------------------------------

 

I see you've got that Vista hate FUD bullsh*t machine cranked all the up

today.

Frank

All I can add is that I've used XP and Vista on this same system, a

fully loaded Dell M1730, and for some reason Vista does everything twice

as fast--even reading large data files. I'm kind of puzzled by this, but

there it is.

 

I think Vista is less stable than XP, but XP was less stable than

Windows 2k for the first year or three it was out. So I imagine this

will be about the same.

 

Microsoft doesn't see us as "customers", but "consumers". And so they

just put stuff out there to be "consumed" and try to rig the market such

that mass consumption (and therefore profit) will be forced. This kind

of mentality leads to incredibly buggy software being produced and

forced on the consumers, but once released, Microsoft is also forced

into the position of supporting that software.

 

That is until they come out with Windows Astro, Theta, or some odd

thing.

 

 

--

wornways

Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com

Canuck57, a lying POS linux troll wrote:

>

> I haven't seen a constructive post from Frank yet, have you?

>

> Shell/User 35+ years.

------------------------------------------------------->

>

I have...singling you're stupid, ignorant ass out as nothing more than a

fukkin lying linux troll...LOL!

Frank

"Medium Matt" <MediumMatt@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> As of yet, I've not bought the new hardware. I'm more after finding out

> whether Vista is any better (sorry for such a vague term) than XP. I only

> know one person who has used it & they weren't impressed (to the point of

> reverting back to XP) but I know that's maybe not representative of the

> wider

> views.

 

Your best bet then is to make sure the hardware you buy works with Vista,

XP, Linux and anything else you might want to run. Even if you don't plan

to say run Linux, the popularity of such devices usually makes for better

drivers and better long term support. There is no sense in closing your

options.

> The MS Vista product page makes reference to various "features" but, since

> it is an operating system I am buying, these aren't really a selling

> point

> to me.

>

> I have ubuntu installed on one of my old pc's but it's not really suitable

> for the one I am planning since, as I mentioned before, this one must be

> able

> to run the Sims2 (and possibly Sims3 when that comes out) otherwise the

> amount of trouble I'll get at home would be unbearable. That's why the

> choice for this pc is between XP & Vista.

 

You might want to read this like:

 

http://thesims2.ea.com/help/detail.php?help_id=281

 

Also use http://google.com and search for "sims 2 vista".

 

It does look you can get Sims2 on Vista, but given it needs a DirectX 9 card

it makes for a strange performance mismatch with Vista. Vista likes DirectX

10 and more powerful cards.

Canuck57 wrote:

 

>>

>>If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

>>needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say install

>>Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

>>Frank

>

>

> But make sure all the parts he buys are compatible with XP and Linux, which

> they probably are.

>

>

Forget about XP...it's yesterday's OS.

The op sounds smart enough (unlike you) to run Vista.

Frank

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:uX85pCXoIHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fuah5j$apu$7@aioe.org...

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>> Medium Matt wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm after informed opinions if possible...

>>>>>

>>>>> I'm going to be building a new pc soon. The supplier has copies of XP

>>>>> in stock so I was going to get one (since I have used XP for several

>>>>> years without major issues) but I am wondering about Vista.

>>>>>

>>>>> The computer will be used for web browsing, home office & some games.

>>>>> Is there any advantage to Vista over XP (other than continued

>>>>> support)? I have tried looking at the product descriptions but have

>>>>> not seen anything to swing the decision. Since all I am wanting is an

>>>>> operating system that lets me use the software etc I currently have,

>>>>> should I buy another copy of the XP I am familiar with or (the untried

>>>>> by me) Vista?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks in advance for any advice,

>>>>>

>>>>> Matt

>>>>

>>>> If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

>>>> needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say install

>>>> Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> Before you take the advice of this low life, take a gander at some his

>>> posts and then decide if he's credible:

>>>

>>> Who cares about what you like or dislike or support...you're a nobody.

>>> Got it? You are a nobody...no one cares about your stupid life or your

>>> bullsh*t diatribes about anything.

>>> Get lost you jerk.

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 19, 2007

>>>

>>> You're one sick lying fukk!!! No one...NO ONE believes you!!!

>>> You are an admitted liar...a linux troll...an atheist and proly a commie

>>> bastard and a real loser of a jerk.

>>> Get lost!

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 19, 2007

>>>

>>> Of course it will. But then again, you don't have Vista so you don't

>>> really know now do you mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie bastard.

>>> LOL!!!

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 20, 2007

>>>

>>> What a childishly immature POS lying as*hole you are.

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 23, 2007

>>>

>>> jake wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> ...just his usual delusional bullsh*t from some unknown blogger.

>>> Get a real life you idiot!

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>

>>> You're infested with Vista demons capin' crunch. Is that a result of not

>>> taking your meds or are you just naturally that fukkin stupid?

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>

>>> Who the fukk do you think you are...mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie

>>> bastard....

>>> Go screw yourself!

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>>

>>> flambe wrote:

>>>

>>> ...nothing but a bunch of uninformed lies and bullsh*t.

>>> Grow up as*hole and face the fact that you're STUPID!

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 31, 2007

>>>

>>> Wrong again you POS lying linux loser.

>>> Get a life you moron.

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>>

>>> You need to stop making a fool out of yourself mr liar.

>>> You are a known troll and a pathological liar.

>>> Get lost you stupid POS moron loser.

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>

>>> Ahahaha...of all the people who post to ng's...of all the lunies,

>>> wackos, morons, idiots and just plain'o losers...you my friend are at

>>> the

>>> very top of that heap of sh*theads...LOL!

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 5, 2008

>>>

>>> ...FUKK!!! You're so full of sh*t I can almost smell you thru the

>>> Internet!

>>> Get a life you stupid POS moron idiot!

>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 7, 2008

>>>

>>>

>>> hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an

>>> idiot...something that you've just done.

>>> Use XP until the hell freezes over.

>>> Frank MPWVG, Jan 10, 2008

>>>

>>> Try sticking both of your feet into your big mouth at the same time

>>> butt-munch!

>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>>

>>> Why? You too stupid to know how to use Vista.

>>> Loser.

>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>>

>>> I know you're a cross-dressing unemployed RS arse kissing lying linux

>>> troll POS, but are you also a slobbering fukkin drunk too?

>>> Sure sounds like it you ignorant as*hole...LOL!

>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/17/08

>>>

>>> Well 'nostop" hahaha...(what a fukkin handle that is!), I guess you

>>> forgot to read huh?

>>> Hey, here's a proper sentence...go fukk yourself you stupid

>>> cross-dressing POS lying linux troll.

>>> Got it?

>>> Want some more?

>>> Just let me know I do so enjoy bit*h slapping your ignorant arse all

>>> over the place.

>>> Loser!

>>> Frank Vista General, 1/26/08

>>>

>>> You would never says the outrageous and perverted insults you said about

>>> my mother, wife and daughter to my face for fear of having the living

>>> sh*t beaten out of you.

>>> Pray we never meet!

>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>>

>>> Pray...pray harder and more often than you ever have, that we never,

>>> ever meet in person!

>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>>

>>> No but it is certainly higher than your IQ...LOL!

>>> Hey...how is that love affair with that sheep coming along? Everybody

>>> happy I hope...LOL!

>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/9/08

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> His opinion of you has no bearing on his technical knowledge..

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> How to construct a good post..

>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

> I haven't seen a constructive post from Frank yet, have you?

>

> Shell/User 35+ years.

>

 

 

Once or twice maybe, but bringing up a list of dumbass posts serves no

useful purpose..

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Canuck57 wrote:

 

---------------------------

 

FUD spreader!

Frank

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:50 +0100, Gordon wrote:

> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

> news:66saofF2luqa4U6@mid.individual.net...

>>

>> It sounds as though there is nothing in vista you 'need'. Particularly

>> for a home grown system, I'd recommend you stay away from vista - it

>> may work flawlessly for you, or it may not. It's difficult to ascertain

>> before hand, and can be a real bitch if you made the wrong decision.

>

> If he buys it pre-installed with sufficient RAM (<2GB) then there's no

> reason to suppose he'll have any problems...

 

<2GB ?? I would think he would want at least 2gb. And he indicated he'd be

building the system. I think you're right that the chances of significant

difficulties are reduced by buying pre-installed.

ray wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:50 +0100, Gordon wrote:

>

>

>>"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

>>news:66saofF2luqa4U6@mid.individual.net...

>>

>>>It sounds as though there is nothing in vista you 'need'. Particularly

>>>for a home grown system, I'd recommend you stay away from vista - it

>>>may work flawlessly for you, or it may not. It's difficult to ascertain

>>>before hand, and can be a real bitch if you made the wrong decision.

>>

>>If he buys it pre-installed with sufficient RAM (<2GB) then there's no

>>reason to suppose he'll have any problems...

>

>

> <2GB ?? I would think he would want at least 2gb. And he indicated he'd be

> building the system. I think you're right that the chances of significant

> difficulties are reduced by buying pre-installed.

 

Not really true...the "crap" software the oem's install is proly the

biggest problem new Vista users are having.

We build all of ours and don't have any compatibility, stability or

usability problems.

It's always best investigate and know what you need.

Frank

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:50 +0100, Gordon wrote:

>> If he buys it pre-installed with sufficient RAM (<2GB) then there's no

>> reason to suppose he'll have any problems...

>

> <2GB ?? I would think he would want at least 2gb. And he indicated he'd be

> building the system. I think you're right that the chances of significant

> difficulties are reduced by buying pre-installed.

 

 

I think he got his less than/greater than mixed up. IMO, 2 GB is the

minimum RAM you want for Vista, and more will absolutely improve performance

as Vista will cache more stuff with more RAM. Unlike XP where after 1 GB

or so no more performance gains will be seen, because XP doesn't use RAM to

advantage the way Vista does.

 

That's not to say that Vista won't run with less than 2 GB. I have an old

ThinkPad T41 laptop with 1 GB, and Vista runs fine on it.

"Frank" <fb@jr.kmo> wrote in message

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> Canuck57, the lying linux loser wrote:

>

> -----------------------------------

>

> I see you've got that Vista hate FUD bullsh*t machine cranked all the up

> today.

> Frank

 

You are right. I hate MS-Vista-FUD.

 

New Ubuntu in 6 days! Beta working great. Make sure you send Balmer a

coupon for some chairs.

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

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> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> news:2u7Oj.71881$rd2.46399@pd7urf3no...

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:uX85pCXoIHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fuah5j$apu$7@aioe.org...

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>> Medium Matt wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm after informed opinions if possible...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm going to be building a new pc soon. The supplier has copies of

>>>>>> XP in stock so I was going to get one (since I have used XP for

>>>>>> several years without major issues) but I am wondering about Vista.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The computer will be used for web browsing, home office & some games.

>>>>>> Is there any advantage to Vista over XP (other than continued

>>>>>> support)? I have tried looking at the product descriptions but have

>>>>>> not seen anything to swing the decision. Since all I am wanting is

>>>>>> an operating system that lets me use the software etc I currently

>>>>>> have, should I buy another copy of the XP I am familiar with or (the

>>>>>> untried by me) Vista?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any advice,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Matt

>>>>>

>>>>> If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

>>>>> needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say install

>>>>> Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> Before you take the advice of this low life, take a gander at some his

>>>> posts and then decide if he's credible:

>>>>

>>>> Who cares about what you like or dislike or support...you're a nobody.

>>>> Got it? You are a nobody...no one cares about your stupid life or your

>>>> bullsh*t diatribes about anything.

>>>> Get lost you jerk.

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 19, 2007

>>>>

>>>> You're one sick lying fukk!!! No one...NO ONE believes you!!!

>>>> You are an admitted liar...a linux troll...an atheist and proly a

>>>> commie

>>>> bastard and a real loser of a jerk.

>>>> Get lost!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 19, 2007

>>>>

>>>> Of course it will. But then again, you don't have Vista so you don't

>>>> really know now do you mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie bastard.

>>>> LOL!!!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 20, 2007

>>>>

>>>> What a childishly immature POS lying as*hole you are.

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 23, 2007

>>>>

>>>> jake wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ...just his usual delusional bullsh*t from some unknown blogger.

>>>> Get a real life you idiot!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>>

>>>> You're infested with Vista demons capin' crunch. Is that a result of

>>>> not

>>>> taking your meds or are you just naturally that fukkin stupid?

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>>

>>>> Who the fukk do you think you are...mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie

>>>> bastard....

>>>> Go screw yourself!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>>>

>>>> flambe wrote:

>>>>

>>>> ...nothing but a bunch of uninformed lies and bullsh*t.

>>>> Grow up as*hole and face the fact that you're STUPID!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 31, 2007

>>>>

>>>> Wrong again you POS lying linux loser.

>>>> Get a life you moron.

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>>>

>>>> You need to stop making a fool out of yourself mr liar.

>>>> You are a known troll and a pathological liar.

>>>> Get lost you stupid POS moron loser.

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>>

>>>> Ahahaha...of all the people who post to ng's...of all the lunies,

>>>> wackos, morons, idiots and just plain'o losers...you my friend are at

>>>> the

>>>> very top of that heap of sh*theads...LOL!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 5, 2008

>>>>

>>>> ...FUKK!!! You're so full of sh*t I can almost smell you thru the

>>>> Internet!

>>>> Get a life you stupid POS moron idiot!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 7, 2008

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an

>>>> idiot...something that you've just done.

>>>> Use XP until the hell freezes over.

>>>> Frank MPWVG, Jan 10, 2008

>>>>

>>>> Try sticking both of your feet into your big mouth at the same time

>>>> butt-munch!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>>>

>>>> Why? You too stupid to know how to use Vista.

>>>> Loser.

>>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>>>

>>>> I know you're a cross-dressing unemployed RS arse kissing lying linux

>>>> troll POS, but are you also a slobbering fukkin drunk too?

>>>> Sure sounds like it you ignorant as*hole...LOL!

>>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/17/08

>>>>

>>>> Well 'nostop" hahaha...(what a fukkin handle that is!), I guess you

>>>> forgot to read huh?

>>>> Hey, here's a proper sentence...go fukk yourself you stupid

>>>> cross-dressing POS lying linux troll.

>>>> Got it?

>>>> Want some more?

>>>> Just let me know I do so enjoy bit*h slapping your ignorant arse all

>>>> over the place.

>>>> Loser!

>>>> Frank Vista General, 1/26/08

>>>>

>>>> You would never says the outrageous and perverted insults you said

>>>> about

>>>> my mother, wife and daughter to my face for fear of having the living

>>>> sh*t beaten out of you.

>>>> Pray we never meet!

>>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>>>

>>>> Pray...pray harder and more often than you ever have, that we never,

>>>> ever meet in person!

>>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>>>

>>>> No but it is certainly higher than your IQ...LOL!

>>>> Hey...how is that love affair with that sheep coming along? Everybody

>>>> happy I hope...LOL!

>>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/9/08

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> His opinion of you has no bearing on his technical knowledge..

>>>

>>> --

>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>> How to construct a good post..

>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>> I haven't seen a constructive post from Frank yet, have you?

>>

>> Shell/User 35+ years.

>>

>

>

> Once or twice maybe, but bringing up a list of dumbass posts serves no

> useful purpose..

 

Agreed. BTW, 25+ years, not 30+.

 

Sorry about the Shell/User jab. Just I get a kick out of seeing it.

"Frank" <fb@jr.kmo> wrote in message

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> Canuck57 wrote:

>

>

>>>

>>>If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

>>>needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say install

>>>Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

>>>Frank

>>

>>

>> But make sure all the parts he buys are compatible with XP and Linux,

>> which they probably are.

> Forget about XP...it's yesterday's OS.

> The op sounds smart enough (unlike you) to run Vista.

> Frank

 

Better where do you want to go yesterday than...

 

Waiting for Vista to copy large files sometime today.

"Frank" <fb@jr.kmo> wrote in message

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> Canuck57 wrote:

>

> ---------------------------

>

> FUD spreader!

> Frank

 

I guess you are the Microsoft dog assigned to my case?

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:50 +0100, Gordon wrote:

>

>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

>> news:66saofF2luqa4U6@mid.individual.net...

>>>

>>> It sounds as though there is nothing in vista you 'need'. Particularly

>>> for a home grown system, I'd recommend you stay away from vista - it

>>> may work flawlessly for you, or it may not. It's difficult to ascertain

>>> before hand, and can be a real bitch if you made the wrong decision.

>>

>> If he buys it pre-installed with sufficient RAM (<2GB) then there's no

>> reason to suppose he'll have any problems...

>

> <2GB ?? I would think he would want at least 2gb. And he indicated he'd be

> building the system. I think you're right that the chances of significant

> difficulties are reduced by buying pre-installed.

 

Ray,

 

I would have to agree with you.

 

Less than 2GB of RAM for 32 bit Vista is like putting a lawn mower Briggs

and Staten in a Semi.

"Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message

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> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message

> news:66sir2F2ll3tvU2@mid.individual.net...

>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:50 +0100, Gordon wrote:

>>> If he buys it pre-installed with sufficient RAM (<2GB) then there's no

>>> reason to suppose he'll have any problems...

>>

>> <2GB ?? I would think he would want at least 2gb. And he indicated he'd

>> be

>> building the system. I think you're right that the chances of significant

>> difficulties are reduced by buying pre-installed.

>

>

> I think he got his less than/greater than mixed up. IMO, 2 GB is the

> minimum RAM you want for Vista, and more will absolutely improve

> performance as Vista will cache more stuff with more RAM. Unlike XP

> where after 1 GB or so no more performance gains will be seen, because XP

> doesn't use RAM to advantage the way Vista does.

>

> That's not to say that Vista won't run with less than 2 GB. I have an

> old ThinkPad T41 laptop with 1 GB, and Vista runs fine on it.

 

You could argue many users needed more. More RAM.

 

Me, I run VMs, pull up 2 Solaris, a XP, and a Linux --

Apache/Tomcat/MySQL -- 3GB seems small.

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:eofrQVZoIHA.4716@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>> news:2u7Oj.71881$rd2.46399@pd7urf3no...

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:uX85pCXoIHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fuah5j$apu$7@aioe.org...

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>> Medium Matt wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I'm after informed opinions if possible...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I'm going to be building a new pc soon. The supplier has copies of

>>>>>>> XP in stock so I was going to get one (since I have used XP for

>>>>>>> several years without major issues) but I am wondering about Vista.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The computer will be used for web browsing, home office & some

>>>>>>> games. Is there any advantage to Vista over XP (other than continued

>>>>>>> support)? I have tried looking at the product descriptions but have

>>>>>>> not seen anything to swing the decision. Since all I am wanting is

>>>>>>> an operating system that lets me use the software etc I currently

>>>>>>> have, should I buy another copy of the XP I am familiar with or (the

>>>>>>> untried by me) Vista?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any advice,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Matt

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

>>>>>> needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say

>>>>>> install Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>> Before you take the advice of this low life, take a gander at some his

>>>>> posts and then decide if he's credible:

>>>>>

>>>>> Who cares about what you like or dislike or support...you're a nobody.

>>>>> Got it? You are a nobody...no one cares about your stupid life or your

>>>>> bullsh*t diatribes about anything.

>>>>> Get lost you jerk.

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 19, 2007

>>>>>

>>>>> You're one sick lying fukk!!! No one...NO ONE believes you!!!

>>>>> You are an admitted liar...a linux troll...an atheist and proly a

>>>>> commie

>>>>> bastard and a real loser of a jerk.

>>>>> Get lost!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 19, 2007

>>>>>

>>>>> Of course it will. But then again, you don't have Vista so you don't

>>>>> really know now do you mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie bastard.

>>>>> LOL!!!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 20, 2007

>>>>>

>>>>> What a childishly immature POS lying as*hole you are.

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 23, 2007

>>>>>

>>>>> jake wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> ...just his usual delusional bullsh*t from some unknown blogger.

>>>>> Get a real life you idiot!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>> You're infested with Vista demons capin' crunch. Is that a result of

>>>>> not

>>>>> taking your meds or are you just naturally that fukkin stupid?

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>> Who the fukk do you think you are...mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie

>>>>> bastard....

>>>>> Go screw yourself!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>> flambe wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> ...nothing but a bunch of uninformed lies and bullsh*t.

>>>>> Grow up as*hole and face the fact that you're STUPID!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Dec 31, 2007

>>>>>

>>>>> Wrong again you POS lying linux loser.

>>>>> Get a life you moron.

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>> You need to stop making a fool out of yourself mr liar.

>>>>> You are a known troll and a pathological liar.

>>>>> Get lost you stupid POS moron loser.

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>> Ahahaha...of all the people who post to ng's...of all the lunies,

>>>>> wackos, morons, idiots and just plain'o losers...you my friend are at

>>>>> the

>>>>> very top of that heap of sh*theads...LOL!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 5, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>> ...FUKK!!! You're so full of sh*t I can almost smell you thru the

>>>>> Internet!

>>>>> Get a life you stupid POS moron idiot!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG, Jan 7, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an

>>>>> idiot...something that you've just done.

>>>>> Use XP until the hell freezes over.

>>>>> Frank MPWVG, Jan 10, 2008

>>>>>

>>>>> Try sticking both of your feet into your big mouth at the same time

>>>>> butt-munch!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>>>>

>>>>> Why? You too stupid to know how to use Vista.

>>>>> Loser.

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

>>>>>

>>>>> I know you're a cross-dressing unemployed RS arse kissing lying linux

>>>>> troll POS, but are you also a slobbering fukkin drunk too?

>>>>> Sure sounds like it you ignorant as*hole...LOL!

>>>>> Frank, MPWVG 1/17/08

>>>>>

>>>>> Well 'nostop" hahaha...(what a fukkin handle that is!), I guess you

>>>>> forgot to read huh?

>>>>> Hey, here's a proper sentence...go fukk yourself you stupid

>>>>> cross-dressing POS lying linux troll.

>>>>> Got it?

>>>>> Want some more?

>>>>> Just let me know I do so enjoy bit*h slapping your ignorant arse all

>>>>> over the place.

>>>>> Loser!

>>>>> Frank Vista General, 1/26/08

>>>>>

>>>>> You would never says the outrageous and perverted insults you said

>>>>> about

>>>>> my mother, wife and daughter to my face for fear of having the living

>>>>> sh*t beaten out of you.

>>>>> Pray we never meet!

>>>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>>>>

>>>>> Pray...pray harder and more often than you ever have, that we never,

>>>>> ever meet in person!

>>>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

>>>>>

>>>>> No but it is certainly higher than your IQ...LOL!

>>>>> Hey...how is that love affair with that sheep coming along? Everybody

>>>>> happy I hope...LOL!

>>>>> Frank, Vista General, 3/9/08

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> His opinion of you has no bearing on his technical knowledge..

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>> How to construct a good post..

>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>

>>> I haven't seen a constructive post from Frank yet, have you?

>>>

>>> Shell/User 35+ years.

>>>

>>

>>

>> Once or twice maybe, but bringing up a list of dumbass posts serves no

>> useful purpose..

>

> Agreed. BTW, 25+ years, not 30+.

>

> Sorry about the Shell/User jab. Just I get a kick out of seeing it.

>

 

 

Doesn't time fly!! Over twenty years messing with the world's most

confounded invention ever. There is no doubt in my mind that computers are

female.. :-)

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@jr.kmo> wrote in message

> news:%233EI%23RZoIHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

>>Canuck57, the lying linux loser wrote:

>>

>>-----------------------------------

>>

>>I see you've got that Vista hate FUD bullsh*t machine cranked all the up

>>today.

>>Frank

>

>

> You are right.

 

Wow!

 

I hate MS-Vista-FUD.

 

You hate MS...yes...that we all know.

>

> New Ubuntu in 6 days!

 

How your breadth...then we won't see your stupid ass ever again!

 

Beta working great.

 

They're all beta's dispsh*t!

 

Make sure you send Balmer a

> coupon for some chairs.

 

You must mean Ballmer(sp)right? Oh he has enough $'s (unlike you) to

purchase all the chairs in the world...LOL!

You're a fukkin loser!

Frank

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@jr.kmo> wrote in message

> news:uA8IFUZoIHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

>>Canuck57 wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>>If you are truly building your own computer, i.e., buying all of the

>>>>needed hardware components and installing them yourself, I say install

>>>>Vista Ultimate X64 and never look back.

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>But make sure all the parts he buys are compatible with XP and Linux,

>>>which they probably are.

>>

>>Forget about XP...it's yesterday's OS.

>>The op sounds smart enough (unlike you) to run Vista.

>>Frank

>

>

> Better where do you want to go yesterday than...

>

> Waiting for Vista to copy large files sometime today.

>

>

Don't you think (well, imagine for you, see as thinking is kind of out

of the picture) that it's rather curious that most Vista users don't

have the slow file transfer problem that you keep harping about?

We've got multiple installs of Vista Ultimate x32 & x64 and we haven't

seen it on any of them. I personally experienced it on one of the early

5k series beta builds, but never one any of our RTM's.

Then again, your open hatred Of MS lends nothing at all to your

creditability.

Frank

Canuck57 wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@jr.kmo> wrote in message

> news:Og709WZoIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>Canuck57 wrote:

>>

>>---------------------------

>>

>>FUD spreader!

>>Frank

>

>

> I guess you are the Microsoft dog assigned to my case?

>

>

 

Your case?

You think anyone actually believes any or your MS hate filled rants...LOL!

You're not that important, sorry. You're just a big mouth whining loser.

I'm bored and you're an easy target.

You like it that way, or so it seems...and I'm having fun...LOL!

Frank

Medium Matt wrote:

> Hi

>

> I haven't tried the compatibility too, thought that was just for hardware &

> I haven't bought that yet?

>

> The main applications that are to be run are not that old, all purchased in

> the last 18 months (since I bought current PC). The main one that a new pc

> HAS to run (to avoid me getting too much grief at home!) is the Sims2 (which

> the EA site says is Vista compatible). Other than that, OpenOffice & web

> browser are the only "must have's".

>

> I've seen reviews of Vista which make reference to various features but all

> I'm after is a stable operating system so it sounds like XP might be the best

> bet?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Matt

 

Matt,

 

Vista has been rock solid on a number of PC's here. (Mostly Dell's and

one Mac.) That's not to say it's rock solid on all PC's... drivers

surely can have an effect on one's Vista experience.

 

Vista's advantages over XP, imho, are better memory management, better

security (Perfect? No. Better than XP? Yes.), offloading a bunch of

video tasks from the CPU and putting them where they belong... on the

video sub-system.

 

XP's advantages over Vista? Well... they moved a lot of cheese in Vista.

If you're uncomfortable or unwilling to learn where they moved stuff,

then XP wins out because you're already familiar with it. (It's not that

hard to find stuff in Vista though... the search functionality is better

than XP's, I think.)

 

I can't speak to the Sims2 issue... one assumes if EA says it'll run on

Vista, it'll run on Vista. Also can't speak to the OpenOffice issue...

tried it a couple years ago and, well, whatever... I don't use it.

 

Ultimately, it's your choice. If you're interested in giving Vista a

shot, then do your homework and ensure that all the hw you're going to

use to build your system works with Vista. Read other NG's and check

forums on vendor sites.

 

If you don't care to commit to that level of due diligence... then stick

with XP.

 

Guess I'll close with this: if you do try Vista and you have hw issues

on your byopc box, hw can be returned fairly easily. (Compared to

returning -any- software.) Other hw can be road tested.

 

Again, only if you feel like dealing with it.

 

In any case, good luck!

 

Lang

>

> If he buys it pre-installed with sufficient RAM (<2GB) then there's no

> reason to suppose he'll have any problems...

>

I have 4GB RAM and shed loads of Vista problems. Vista really sucks. The OP

definitely should get XP.

Frank wrote:

>>

>> New Ubuntu in 6 days!

>

> How your breadth...then we won't see your stupid ass ever again!

>

> Beta working great.

>

> They're all beta's dispsh*t!

>

> Make sure you send Balmer a

>> coupon for some chairs.

>

> You must mean Ballmer(sp)right? Oh he has enough $'s (unlike you) to

> purchase all the chairs in the world...LOL!

> You're a fukkin loser!

> Frank

 

Speaking of the Monkey Man, here's what he says about your precious Vista:

 

http://www.dailytech.com/Ballmer+Tells+Microsoft+MVPs+Vista+is+a+Work+in+Progress/article11538.htm

 

"A work in progress".

 

Alias