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April 14, 200816 yr

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:01:14 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:22:16 -0700, Donald L McDaniel

><orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote:

>

>>Adam!!! Where HAVE you BEEN???

>

>>Perhaps folks should take Microsoft's advice before attempting to

>>upgrade to or install Vista, and make sure their machines are going to

>>be usable with Vista.

>

>You mean like building a new machine from the ground up and seeing

>"Vista certified" on the motherboard box and vendor's web site? Well,

>that's the path I took and I still had/have endless headaches with

>Vista none of which were my fault.

Instead of trusting the OEMs, why not INVESTIGATE them? After all,

THEY are the ones who PRODUCE them, and the ones who write the

DRIVERS.

>>Think about it: If you had troubles installing and running XP on your

>>current hardware, you DEFINITELY will have troubles trying to install

>>and use Vista on the same hardware.

>

>You shouldn't jump to conclusions Don. I never had any issues with XP

>when I install it years ago. None, nada on all my prior boxes.

Friend, I was speaking in generalities. If YOU took them PERSONALLY,

I am sorry. However, my comments WEREN'T aimed at you, personally.

>As far as installing Vista, I was a good little boy and did all

>Microsoft asked including running their moronic Vista upgrade advisor

>which said everything was fine on a old box until of course I actually

>started to install Vista on it then it started to nag and promptly

>crashed during the install of Vista on my first try.

Sorry, bud, but this was just not my experience. Vista simply

installed. PERIOD. In fact, this has been my experience with Vista

since the betas. NEVER a problem with installation.

]

>Microsoft has a HUGE creditability problem. They keep lying their ass

>off things are "fine" when they're not.

Hmmmm... NO comment, other than that you seem to have a HUGE trust

issue.

>>People like you are ALWAYS of the mindset that if Microsoft's OS does

>>not work with their devices and software, Microsoft MUST make its OS

>>compatible with THEIR devices and software!

>

>All I ask of Microsoft is stopping selling consumers a line of

>bullshit. I'm like millions of other pissed-off consumers that bought

>the crap it was safe to upgrade to Vista. I bought only "vista

>certified" components and in spite of it Microsoft dropped the ball

>failing to work on components Microsoft says was "certified" for

>Vista.

Why should Microsoft work on OEM device drivers? It's NOT their job

to make sure each and EVERY device driver produced by an OEM is Vista

compatible. It's the job of the OEMs. PERIOD..

>

>>It's not about "you", friend: It's about "us."

>>As the old saw goes, "It takes two to tango."

>>Microsoft can't help you if you won't help yourselves.

>>

>>Standing there shouting "Our devices won't work! Our software won't

>>work! And it's all Microsoft's fault!!!" over and over will NEVER

>>get them fixed.

>

>My issues deal mostly with INTERNAL Vista failings. You know... like

>file handling and the hugely stupid and unnecessary UAC. What

>unabashed Microsoft fans fail to understand and paint over is Vista

>out of box even with SP1, long before you install ANY third party

>software or any fancy hardware has all kinds of issues for SOME users.

IF those users DID have problems, I suggest a few things to correct

them:

1) Go back to school, and learn a little about computer basics.

2) Stop using the devices YOU want to use, and use the ones Microsoft

recommends in its Vista HCL.

3) Stop trying to TWEAK the OS so much. Accept it as it is, warts and

all.

4) Stop your INCESSANT complaining, and LISTEN to true experts, rather

than hobbyists like yourselves. Remember, its VERY HARD to LISTEN,

when your MOUTH is running all the time.

A Wise man LISTENS, while a foolish man never stops complaining.

>>IF they won't work with Vista, and the manufacturer won't support

>>their own products, there are only two or three reasonable solutions:

>>Either use an OS which WILL work with your devices, or GET RID of the

>>ones which won't work, and replace them with devices and software

>>which WILL.

>>

>>Of course, you always have the option of using another OS. Have fun,

>>if that is your decision. But leave us alone, please.

>>

>>Stop complaining! It only wastes your time and bandwidth. DO

>>SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE about your problems, folks, instead of sitting

>>there shaking your fingers at Microsoft.

>

>My advice GROW UP and realize real people some with extensive

>experience like me have REAL problems and the path why leads directly

>to Microsoft's doorstep. Of course Microsoft fans never understand

>that. This is the place to complain. You obviously prefer to firmly

>hold your hands over your eyes pretending there's nothing wrong with

>Vista at all. Pathetic.

That statement shows your obvious bias against anyone who does not

share your opinion about Vista or Microsoft, friend.

1) You assume that I am a "Microsoft fan". This is NOT the case, as

an examination of my posts over the last several years will show you.

2) The "place to complain" is NOT in a peer-user group on the Usenet.

It is to MICROSOFT, Inc. itself. While a few Microsoft employees DO

visit these forums from time to time, they do so as PRIVATE CITIZENS,

and NOT as "official" representatives of Microsoft. Your complaints

are being LOST on a bunch of folks like yourself.

3) Something tells me that you weren't even born when I started using

computers. I doubt seriously whether you have the "extensive

experience" you are trying to characterize yourself as having, else

you wouldn't have the problems you claim to be having.

4) That these people are having problems I do not doubt. Vista is a

highly-complex OS, and NOT easily handled by people whose "extensive"

experience is mostly in using a computer at work, where any problems

with the machine are handled by an over-worked Tech support person.

5) Being a HOBBYIST does NOT make one a "highly-skilled" computer

operator. In fact, from my point of view, hobbyists are the ones who

have the LEAST amount of "extensive experience". It seem that THEY

are the ones who are complaining the loudest, and mostly because of

Microsoft's anti-piracy measures.

Microsoft Windows is the ONLY ubiquitous OS around, and has been since

Windows 3.11. Countless millions of copies of Windows have been

distributed since then, with the majority of Windows users extremely

happy with the OS. Why? Because of the EASE of installation of the

OS, as well as the ability of Windows to use a LARGE number of

devices, rather than a small superset, like in OS X.

You, friend, are certainly in the MINORITY of folks having problems,

since the MAJORITY of sales of Vista have been to very happy folks,

who've had FEW problems with the OS itself, and MORE than a few

problems with software and devices which WEREN'T ready for Vista, and

STILL aren't. This is NOT Microsoft's fault. That Microsoft is

accentuating the POSITIVES of its OS is just human, and nothing YOU

wouldn't do when trying to "make a sale".

If you don't like Windows, friend, go buy an Apple.

Something tells me, though, if you DO buy an Apple, you will be one of

the FEW who are complaining about it, just as you've been one of the

FEW complaining about Windows.

Donald L McDaniel

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I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred method in

all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand

that, as you abundantly demonstrate.

BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good Net-Keeping Seal

of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below) is to use a (two hyphens,

a space, and a return) signature delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can

(if desired) automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.

http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the

difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect others,

and some don't.. :)

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> artfudd wrote:

>> This is a MS newsgroup regardless of how you access, and as such the rules

>> apply.

>

> I never agreed to them, nor was I asked to agree with them. Funny, though, I

> can post here as much as my little heart desires.

>

> However, it is obvious some people are too immature to

>> understand rules and why they exist.

>

> When will understand how to post in Usenet and not top post with a sig

> delimiter?

>

> Alias

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it

>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you really

>>>>>> are.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now a

>>>>>>>>>> hypocrite...WoW!

>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!

>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!

>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made, some

>>>>>>> good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and everything

>>>>>>> in between.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization for

>>>>>> every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one loser!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for you

>>>>>>> sins.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay and

>>>>>> you know it.

>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.

>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one

>>>>> didn't work.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> I own you...LOL!

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> OK, the yellow one then.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> You're really into drugs aren't you?

>

> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...

My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".

not recreational

> drugs.

>

So you're using recreational drugs, huh?

Figures.

>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and bigoted

>> ways?

>> Frank

>

> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.

Liar!

Those are figments of your

> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your faults.

They're factual truths and everyone here know it.

Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need help.

Frank

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it

>>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you

>>>>>>> really are.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now a

>>>>>>>>>>> hypocrite...WoW!

>>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!

>>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!

>>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!

>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made,

>>>>>>>> some good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and

>>>>>>>> everything in between.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization

>>>>>>> for every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one

>>>>>>> loser!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for you

>>>>>>>> sins.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay and

>>>>>>> you know it.

>>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.

>>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one

>>>>>> didn't work.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> I own you...LOL!

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> OK, the yellow one then.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> You're really into drugs aren't you?

>>

>> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...

>

> My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".

>

> not recreational

>> drugs.

>>

> So you're using recreational drugs, huh?

> Figures.

>

>>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and bigoted

>>> ways?

>>> Frank

>>

>> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.

>

> Liar!

Of course, Frank the Wank can't name one lie or show us one spam of

mine, much less prove I am a bigot. In addition, Frank the Wank keeps

claiming I'm a Mexican and therefore inferior. Frank the Wank is getting

famous for projecting.

>

> Those are figments of your

>> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your

>> faults.

>

> They're factual truths and everyone here know it.

> Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need help.

> Frank

No, they are not "factual truths" (didn't they teach you about

redundancy in school, Wank?).

Alias

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artfudd wrote:

> I don't post in Usenet..

LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?

> and top posting is the normal and preferred

> method in all MS newsgroups.

No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.

> But.. like I said, some are just too

> immature to understand that, as you abundantly demonstrate.

Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and

mingle with the common folk, willya?

>

> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below)

> is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so

> that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired) automatically mark and

> remove the sig block in replies.

> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.

>

> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the

> difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect

> others, and some don't.. :)

Respect is earned, not a given.

Alias

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artfudd wrote:

> I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred

> method in all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too

> immature to understand that, as you abundantly demonstrate.

Please cite where top posting is the "preferred method in all MS

newsgroups."

If you cannot, then is making sh*t up really mature?

>

> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below)

> is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so

> that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired) automatically mark and

> remove the sig block in replies. http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

Yep, and top posting breaks that so that everything below the sig, the

post you are replying to, gets removed along with the sig.

> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the

> difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect

> others, and some don't.. :)

So explain to us why you are going after Alias, but not Frank?

Does somebody have a double standard? Is that mature and intelligent?

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microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it

>>>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you

>>>>>>>> really are.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now a

>>>>>>>>>>>> hypocrite...WoW!

>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!

>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!

>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!

>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made,

>>>>>>>>> some good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and

>>>>>>>>> everything in between.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization

>>>>>>>> for every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one

>>>>>>>> loser!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for you

>>>>>>>>> sins.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay and

>>>>>>>> you know it.

>>>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.

>>>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one

>>>>>>> didn't work.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I own you...LOL!

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>> OK, the yellow one then.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> You're really into drugs aren't you?

>>>

>>> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...

>>

>> My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".

>>

>> not recreational

>>

>>> drugs.

>>>

>> So you're using recreational drugs, huh?

>> Figures.

>>

>>>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and

>>>> bigoted ways?

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.

>>

>> Liar!

>

> Of course, Frank the Wank can't name one lie or show us one spam of

> mine, much less prove I am a bigot. In addition, Frank the Wank keeps

> claiming I'm a Mexican and therefore inferior. Frank the Wank is getting

> famous for projecting.

>

>>

>> Those are figments of your

>>

>>> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your

>>> faults.

>>

>> They're factual truths and everyone here know it.

>> Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need help.

>> Frank

>

> No, they are not "factual truths" (didn't they teach you about

> redundancy in school, Wank?).

>

> Alias

Yawn.

Keep up the lying...you don't want ruin your image...LOL!

Frank

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Alias wrote:

> artfudd wrote:

>

>> I don't post in Usenet..

>

> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?

>

>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS newsgroups.

>

> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.

>

>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as

>> you abundantly demonstrate.

>

> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and

> mingle with the common folk, willya?

>

>>

>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url

>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature

>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)

>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.

>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>

> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.

>

>>

>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires -

>> the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to

>> respect others, and some don't.. :)

>

> Respect is earned, not a given.

>

> Alias

"Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell out

of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a human

being talking about "respect'...LOL!

Too funny!

Frank

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"artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca> wrote:

>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred method in

>all MS newsgroups

Not in Usenet

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:58 -0700, "artfudd"

<nobodyhome@notanemail.ca> wrote:

>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred method in

>all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand

>that, as you abundantly demonstrate.

>

>BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good Net-Keeping Seal

>of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below) is to use a (two hyphens,

>a space, and a return) signature delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can

>(if desired) automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.

>http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>

>Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the

>difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect others,

>and some don't.. :)

Just so you will know from now on, "artfudd".

1) ALL MSNEWGROUPS are served by the USENET SERVER,

"msnews.microsoft.com".

2) Because of this, your posts appear on the USENET, whether you think

they do or not. Additionally, if they appear on ANY OTHER SERVER, it

is because they are "mirrored", not the ORIGINALS, which are posted

to, and kept on, the Microsoft Usenet Server.

3)The MAJORITY of the Usenet prefers one to use INLINE posting, rather

than EITHER bottom or top posting.

4) "Top Posting versus Bottom Posting" is NOT "the normal or preferred

method in all MS newsgroups". It is simply the CONVENTION (as opposed

to "rule") which Usenet-illiterate folks EVERYWHERE use, not just the

Microsoft Usenet groups, until they are persuaded to use Inline

posting.

4) The 20 or so Microsoft Usenet groups served by msnews.microsoft.com

are a SMALL percentage of the TOTAL of over a HUNDRED THOUSAND Usenet

groups.

5) NOTE that the GNKSA is NOTHING more than an ADVISORY of PREFERRED

methods to build USENET Newsreaders (i.e., "a BOOK OF CONVENTIONS for

Usenet Client construction", NOT a "Usenet Rule book".)

6) If you don't know the difference between a "CONVENTION" and a

"RULE", I advise you to read the DICTIONARY, and NOT "Wikipedia".

Donald L McDaniel

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:19:42 -0500, PD43 <pauld1943@comcast.net>

wrote:

>"artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca> wrote:

>

>>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred method in

>>all MS newsgroups

>

>Not in Usenet

This is because the Microsoft community groups are a TINY percentage

of the TOTAL number of Usenet groups, which is somewhere around

160,000 at present.

If they never see any other groups than Microsoft's, they would

probably think top-posting is the "normal, preferred" method in all MS

newsgroups. Understandable.

The actuality is, the majority of those posting to Microsoft's

Communities are simply Usenet-illiterate, and have no idea what the

Usenet is, or what the conventions used by the majority of Usenet

posters are.

NOTE mr. "artfudd's" ignorance about where his posts are actually

going: "I don't post in Usenet..."

Yes, mr. "artfudd", you do.

Donald L McDaniel

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Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:58 -0700, "artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca>

> wrote:

>

>>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred

>>method in all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too

>>immature to understand that, as you abundantly demonstrate.

>>

>>BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

>>Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below)

>>is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so

>>that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired) automatically mark and

>>remove the sig block in replies. http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>>

>>Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the

>>difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect

>>others, and some don't.. :)

>

> Just so you will know from now on, "artfudd". 1) ALL MSNEWGROUPS are

> served by the USENET SERVER, "msnews.microsoft.com".

>

> 2) Because of this, your posts appear on the USENET, whether you think

> they do or not. Additionally, if they appear on ANY OTHER SERVER, it is

> because they are "mirrored", not the ORIGINALS, which are posted to, and

> kept on, the Microsoft Usenet Server.

>

> 3)The MAJORITY of the Usenet prefers one to use INLINE posting, rather

> than EITHER bottom or top posting.

>

> 4) "Top Posting versus Bottom Posting" is NOT "the normal or preferred

> method in all MS newsgroups". It is simply the CONVENTION (as opposed

> to "rule") which Usenet-illiterate folks EVERYWHERE use, not just the

> Microsoft Usenet groups, until they are persuaded to use Inline posting.

>

> 4) The 20 or so Microsoft Usenet groups served by msnews.microsoft.com

> are a SMALL percentage of the TOTAL of over a HUNDRED THOUSAND Usenet

> groups.

>

> 5) NOTE that the GNKSA is NOTHING more than an ADVISORY of PREFERRED

> methods to build USENET Newsreaders (i.e., "a BOOK OF CONVENTIONS for

> Usenet Client construction", NOT a "Usenet Rule book".)

>

> 6) If you don't know the difference between a "CONVENTION" and a "RULE",

> I advise you to read the DICTIONARY, and NOT "Wikipedia".

>

> Donald L McDaniel

> Please reply to the correct thread and article.

> ================================================

Did you noticed that your post was a bottom post, not inline? :)

To me inline, is just a variation on the bottom post. When replying to a

post that is long, and covers a number of topics, I tend to inline post

in reply. Otherwise, I bottom post.

When I first started posting to msnewsgroups, I top-posted, but gradually

I shifted to inline posting, which led to bottom posting.

So watch out when inline posting, it is the gateway drug to that terrible

scourge that is bottom posting, and that leads to gay marriage and the

destruction of the family! )

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:02:43 GMT, kurttrail

<dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote:

>Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:41:58 -0700, "artfudd" <nobodyhome@notanemail.ca>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>I don't post in Usenet.. and top posting is the normal and preferred

>>>method in all MS newsgroups. But.. like I said, some are just too

>>>immature to understand that, as you abundantly demonstrate.

>>>

>>>BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

>>>Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below)

>>>is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so

>>>that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired) automatically mark and

>>>remove the sig block in replies. http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>>>

>>>Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the

>>>difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect

>>>others, and some don't.. :)

>>

>> Just so you will know from now on, "artfudd". 1) ALL MSNEWGROUPS are

>> served by the USENET SERVER, "msnews.microsoft.com".

>>

>> 2) Because of this, your posts appear on the USENET, whether you think

>> they do or not. Additionally, if they appear on ANY OTHER SERVER, it is

>> because they are "mirrored", not the ORIGINALS, which are posted to, and

>> kept on, the Microsoft Usenet Server.

>>

>> 3)The MAJORITY of the Usenet prefers one to use INLINE posting, rather

>> than EITHER bottom or top posting.

>>

>> 4) "Top Posting versus Bottom Posting" is NOT "the normal or preferred

>> method in all MS newsgroups". It is simply the CONVENTION (as opposed

>> to "rule") which Usenet-illiterate folks EVERYWHERE use, not just the

>> Microsoft Usenet groups, until they are persuaded to use Inline posting.

>>

>> 4) The 20 or so Microsoft Usenet groups served by msnews.microsoft.com

>> are a SMALL percentage of the TOTAL of over a HUNDRED THOUSAND Usenet

>> groups.

>>

>> 5) NOTE that the GNKSA is NOTHING more than an ADVISORY of PREFERRED

>> methods to build USENET Newsreaders (i.e., "a BOOK OF CONVENTIONS for

>> Usenet Client construction", NOT a "Usenet Rule book".)

>>

>> 6) If you don't know the difference between a "CONVENTION" and a "RULE",

>> I advise you to read the DICTIONARY, and NOT "Wikipedia".

>>

>> Donald L McDaniel

>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.

>> ================================================

>

>Did you noticed that your post was a bottom post, not inline? :)

I felt that it was not necessary in this case.

>

>To me inline, is just a variation on the bottom post. When replying to a

>post that is long, and covers a number of topics, I tend to inline post

>in reply. Otherwise, I bottom post.

Me too..

>

>When I first started posting to msnewsgroups, I top-posted, but gradually

>I shifted to inline posting, which led to bottom posting.

I did also, simply because I first started out using Outlook Express,

rather than a formal Usenet client. Since OE did not have the ability

to automatically "bottom post" at that time, that is what I initially

used.

Once I discovered Forte's Agent Newsreader, and the FULL Usenet, I

gradually came to believe that inline-posting was the best way. At

least for me. I cannot speak for anyone else.

Heck, I even got into arguments over top-versus-bottom for years. It

appears that the ONLY ones who PREFER top-posting are the NOVICES who

seem forced to post idiotic crap in these particular newsgroups. (I've

done my share of idiotic posts, so don't accuse me of being "high and

mighty", please.)

>

>So watch out when inline posting, it is the gateway drug to that terrible

>scourge that is bottom posting, and that leads to gay marriage and the

>destruction of the family! )

I prefer the "gateway drug", "mota verde", rather than some kind of

posting convention. The thing is, I've never been able to find the

vaunted "gateway" the Feds say I've probably entered by now (been

smokin' since the late 60's without harm, and without any thought or

desire to "upgrade").

Donald L McDaniel

Please reply to the correct thread and article.

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I post to a server that is owned by MS, and that it then gets picked up & posted

to whatever other servers and readers in the Usenet system is not my doing. I

abide by the protocol and rules if any, of the news server to which I am posting

regardless of the vehicle used. Wherever you receive your newsgroup postings

from does not change or negate the rules or guidelines of common courtesy

outlined by the particular newsgroup or newsgroup server that your post is aimed

at or in reply to.

Just because your posts are spread far and wide through the Usenet system does

not relieve you of the obligation (whether enforceable or not) of posting

according to the protocol set by the newsgroup or NG server you post to. In

other words you also are NOT posting specifically to 'Usenet', you *are* posting

(in this case) to the MS news server "msnews.microsoft.com" which does have

certain rules & guidelines (as posted by the original poster), and you *should*

abide by them out of the common courtesy practiced by most knowledgeable &

considerate Usenet users.

I have to agree with you that "Respect is earned, not a given"... obviously! :)

But whether earned or not, some people simply (appear to) not have the capacity

to 'give' respect.

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-----------------------

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"Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message

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> artfudd wrote:

>> I don't post in Usenet..

>

> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?

>

>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS newsgroups.

>

> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.

>

>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as you

>> abundantly demonstrate.

>

> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and mingle

> with the common folk, willya?

>

>>

>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good Net-Keeping

>> Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url below) is to use a (two

>> hyphens, a space, and a return) signature delimiter so that newsgroup & email

>> readers can (if desired) automatically mark and remove the sig block in

>> replies.

>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>

> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.

>

>>

>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires - the

>> difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to respect others,

>> and some don't.. :)

>

> Respect is earned, not a given.

>

> Alias

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/Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:

> Rules of conduct:

Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is

simple...

MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.

No other method will succeed.

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borate wrote:

> /Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:

>> Rules of conduct:

>

> Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is

> simple...

>

> MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.

>

> No other method will succeed.

MS kinda does. Back when I used to post to xp.gen, I had plenty of posts

censored from the msnews servers.

http://microscum.com/censored

But I made it much easier for them by posting through their server. Now

I don't, and I'm sure many of my posts aren't on the msnews server, but

they are on most of the countless thousands of USENET servers that

propagate this group worldwide.

MS could conceivably make this a private registration only group, like

back when XP was in preview, but I don't ever see them doing it for their

commercial software products that are publicly available.

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Former Self-anointed Moderator

microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea

"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:27 -0700, borate@yahoo.com wrote:

>/Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:

>> Rules of conduct:

>

>Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is

>simple...

>

>MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.

>

>No other method will succeed.

You really don't have a clue do you.

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it

>>>>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you

>>>>>>>>> really are.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now a

>>>>>>>>>>>>> hypocrite...WoW!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!

>>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made,

>>>>>>>>>> some good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and

>>>>>>>>>> everything in between.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization

>>>>>>>>> for every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one

>>>>>>>>> loser!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for

>>>>>>>>>> you sins.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay and

>>>>>>>>> you know it.

>>>>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.

>>>>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!

>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one

>>>>>>>> didn't work.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I own you...LOL!

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>> OK, the yellow one then.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> You're really into drugs aren't you?

>>>>

>>>> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...

>>>

>>> My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".

>>>

>>> not recreational

>>>

>>>> drugs.

>>>>

>>> So you're using recreational drugs, huh?

>>> Figures.

>>>

>>>>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and

>>>>> bigoted ways?

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.

>>>

>>> Liar!

>>

>> Of course, Frank the Wank can't name one lie or show us one spam of

>> mine, much less prove I am a bigot. In addition, Frank the Wank keeps

>> claiming I'm a Mexican and therefore inferior. Frank the Wank is

>> getting famous for projecting.

>>

>>>

>>> Those are figments of your

>>>

>>>> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your

>>>> faults.

>>>

>>> They're factual truths and everyone here know it.

>>> Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need

>>> help.

>>> Frank

>>

>> No, they are not "factual truths" (didn't they teach you about

>> redundancy in school, Wank?).

>>

>> Alias

>

> Yawn.

> Keep up the lying...you don't want ruin your image...LOL!

> Frank

Another out of it knee jerk reaction from our resident wank, Frank.

Alias

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> artfudd wrote:

>>

>>> I don't post in Usenet..

>>

>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?

>>

>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS newsgroups.

>>

>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.

>>

>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as

>>> you abundantly demonstrate.

>>

>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and

>> mingle with the common folk, willya?

>>

>>>

>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url

>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature

>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)

>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.

>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>>

>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.

>>

>>>

>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires -

>>> the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to

>>> respect others, and some don't.. :)

>>

>> Respect is earned, not a given.

>>

>> Alias

>

> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell out

> of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a human

> being talking about "respect'...LOL!

> Too funny!

> Frank

LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!

Alias

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that I do know something about Christianity made it

>>>>>>>>>>> easier not to believe in the crap.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Right, you're rationalizations only prove just how dumb you

>>>>>>>>>> really are.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> That doesn't mean that I think that everything

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> the Bible says, or other books say, is false or no good.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You're a real fringe element loser. We all know that.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Who said I ever threw the first stone you lying son a bit*h?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Not the point of the quote, clueless.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> You never have a real point spot!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now in addition to being an admitted liar & thief and now

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a hypocrite...WoW!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW's a real loser!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll pay as*hole...hahaha...LOL!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pay for what?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Your sins you ignorant POS!

>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Realistic people call that getting effects from causes made,

>>>>>>>>>>> some good, some bad, some not so good, some not so bad and

>>>>>>>>>>> everything in between.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Realistic people'...yeah right...you've got a rationalization

>>>>>>>>>> for every one of your "sins' don't you...good luck on that one

>>>>>>>>>> loser!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> You and other clueless Christians think that Jesus died for

>>>>>>>>>>> you sins.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Clueless"...hahahha...now that is really funny!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> LOL! What a cop out!

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> No, there is no "copping out' from your sins...you will pay

>>>>>>>>>> and you know it.

>>>>>>>>>> You're just barely smart enough to out smart yourself.

>>>>>>>>>> The perfect fool...LOL!

>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I guess you'd better take the red pill, being as the blue one

>>>>>>>>> didn't work.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I own you...LOL!

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> OK, the yellow one then.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You're really into drugs aren't you?

>>>>>

>>>>> Not at all, although I was speaking about your meds,...

>>>>

>>>> My meds?...sorry sport, but I'm not on any "meds".

>>>>

>>>> not recreational

>>>>

>>>>> drugs.

>>>>>

>>>> So you're using recreational drugs, huh?

>>>> Figures.

>>>>

>>>>>> Is that the root cause for your lying, spamming, trolling and

>>>>>> bigoted ways?

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't lie, spam, troll and I'm not a bigot.

>>>>

>>>> Liar!

>>>

>>> Of course, Frank the Wank can't name one lie or show us one spam of

>>> mine, much less prove I am a bigot. In addition, Frank the Wank keeps

>>> claiming I'm a Mexican and therefore inferior. Frank the Wank is

>>> getting famous for projecting.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Those are figments of your

>>>>

>>>>> twisted and lame imagination in a pathetic attempt to cover up your

>>>>> faults.

>>>>

>>>> They're factual truths and everyone here know it.

>>>> Get some help...well...I doubt you're capable of admitting you need

>>>> help.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> No, they are not "factual truths" (didn't they teach you about

>>> redundancy in school, Wank?).

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Yawn.

>> Keep up the lying...you don't want ruin your image...LOL!

>> Frank

>

> Another out of it knee jerk reaction from our resident wank, Frank.

>

> Alias

Knee jerk? You're the one reacting...knee-jerking if you prefer, to all

of the truisms about you.

Well all know that mr liar.

Frank

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> artfudd wrote:

>>>

>>>> I don't post in Usenet..

>>>

>>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?

>>>

>>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS

>>>> newsgroups.

>>>

>>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.

>>>

>>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that, as

>>>> you abundantly demonstrate.

>>>

>>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and

>>> mingle with the common folk, willya?

>>>

>>>>

>>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

>>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url

>>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature

>>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)

>>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.

>>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>>>

>>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires -

>>>> the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to

>>>> respect others, and some don't.. :)

>>>

>>> Respect is earned, not a given.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell

>> out of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a

>> human being talking about "respect'...LOL!

>> Too funny!

>> Frank

>

> LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!

>

> Alias

Hey sh*t-for-brains, I'm not on any any high moral horse. I'm just

pointing the irony of the most disrespectful vile POS for a human being

(that's you sport!) using the term "respect"!...LOL!

Frank

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> artfudd wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I don't post in Usenet..

>>>>

>>>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?

>>>>

>>>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS

>>>>> newsgroups.

>>>>

>>>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.

>>>>

>>>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that,

>>>>> as you abundantly demonstrate.

>>>>

>>>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse and

>>>> mingle with the common folk, willya?

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

>>>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url

>>>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature

>>>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)

>>>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.

>>>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>>>>

>>>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires

>>>>> - the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence to

>>>>> respect others, and some don't.. :)

>>>>

>>>> Respect is earned, not a given.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell

>>> out of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for a

>>> human being talking about "respect'...LOL!

>>> Too funny!

>>> Frank

>>

>> LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!

>>

>> Alias

>

> Hey sh*t-for-brains, I'm not on any any high moral horse. I'm just

> pointing the irony of the most disrespectful vile POS for a human being

> (that's you sport!) using the term "respect"!...LOL!

> Frank

If you can't take the heat, get the fuçk off my street. You can dish it

out but have a hissy fit when you have to take it, eh? What a wimp.

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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> artfudd wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> I don't post in Usenet..

>>>>>

>>>>> LOL! Where do you think you're posting now?

>>>>>

>>>>>> and top posting is the normal and preferred method in all MS

>>>>>> newsgroups.

>>>>>

>>>>> No, it isn't. It's done by clueless idiots like you.

>>>>>

>>>>>> But.. like I said, some are just too immature to understand that,

>>>>>> as you abundantly demonstrate.

>>>>>

>>>>> Oh, the holier than thou argument. Get off your high moral horse

>>>>> and mingle with the common folk, willya?

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> BTW... even on Usenet, the standard (which is approved by Good

>>>>>> Net-Keeping Seal of Approval (GNKSA - see item 15 in posted url

>>>>>> below) is to use a (two hyphens, a space, and a return) signature

>>>>>> delimiter so that newsgroup & email readers can (if desired)

>>>>>> automatically mark and remove the sig block in replies.

>>>>>> http://www.gnksa.org/gnksa.txt

>>>>>

>>>>> And nuke everything else if you top post. Not good, chum.

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes.. you *can* can post here as much as your little heart desires

>>>>>> - the difference is that some have the maturity and intelligence

>>>>>> to respect others, and some don't.. :)

>>>>>

>>>>> Respect is earned, not a given.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> "Respect"? You're talking about "respect"...hahahah...I almost fell

>>>> out of my chair when I read that one...you, of all the vile POS for

>>>> a human being talking about "respect'...LOL!

>>>> Too funny!

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> LOL! Look who's on his phony high moral horse!

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Hey sh*t-for-brains, I'm not on any any high moral horse. I'm just

>> pointing the irony of the most disrespectful vile POS for a human

>> being (that's you sport!) using the term "respect"!...LOL!

>> Frank

>

> If you can't take the heat, get the fuçk off my street. You can dish it

> out but have a hissy fit when you have to take it, eh? What a wimp.

>

> Alias

hehehe...more of your attempting to backpedal...keep it up...it's fun

watching you dig the hole your in deeper and deeper...LOL!

Frank

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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:27 -0700, borate@yahoo.com wrote:

>/Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:

>> Rules of conduct:

>

>Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is

>simple...

>

>MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.

>

>No other method will succeed.

>

Everyone who participates in these newsgroups are already

"volunteers". That is what the these groups are all about. Voluntary

discussion of the pros and cons of the Vista Platform. No one forces

us to come here, and no one forces us to leave (hopefully).

WHO in God's name would want to even TRY to "moderate" the crazies in

here? You simply CAN'T "moderate" someone like Frank, for instance.

HE apparently has no tongue which can be moderated. And no "reason"

which can be reasoned with. Just leave the man alone, let his words

pass you by like an evil wind, and they will never harm you.

Most others in here do show SOME sense of decency and self-moderation,

and normally wouldn't need to be "moderated".

Microsoft has at least SOME trust in its customers, since they don't

moderate the microsoft.public.windows.* groups.

Perhaps a few of the more "immoderates", who are usually unwilling to

forego having the last word, could learn to moderate their OWN

behavior.

After all, WHY is it so important that "I" (whoever the "I" is) must

always be right? Sometimes, the "wrongest" thing a man can do is to

"be right".

I've been "right" many times, but ultimately did the WRONG thing by

insisting on my "rightness". While it is good to have a strong sense

of morality and virtue, if we are TRULY right, and TRULY act

virtuously, we will not need to claim our "rightness".

If one is "right", he is "right" whether another believes it or not.

And if one's actions are "virtuous", they will be apparent to all

around. There is no need to boast or brag about one's own virtues.

Both good and evil men recognize a good man, even without speaking.

Good men recognize other good men by their words and deeds to others.

Evil men, however, recognize good men only by the way they themselves

are treated.

IF they are treated well, they will recognize the goodness in the

good man. IF they are treated evily, they will recognize only evil in

the good OR evil man.

Donald L McDaniel

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/Donald L McDaniel/ said:

> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:16:27 -0700, borate@yahoo.com wrote:

>

>> /Carey Frisch [MVP]/ said:

>>> Rules of conduct:

>> Enforcing the "rules" and ridding the group/s of off-topic posts is

>> simple...

>>

>> MODERATE them, perhaps through rotational participation of volunteers.

>>

>> No other method will succeed.

>>

>

> Everyone who participates in these newsgroups are already

> "volunteers". That is what the these groups are all about. Voluntary

> discussion of the pros and cons of the Vista Platform. No one forces

> us to come here, and no one forces us to leave (hopefully).

>

> WHO in God's name would want to even TRY to "moderate" the crazies in

> here? You simply CAN'T "moderate" someone like Frank, for instance.

> HE apparently has no tongue which can be moderated. And no "reason"

> which can be reasoned with. Just leave the man alone, let his words

> pass you by like an evil wind, and they will never harm you.

>

> Most others in here do show SOME sense of decency and self-moderation,

> and normally wouldn't need to be "moderated".

>

> Microsoft has at least SOME trust in its customers, since they don't

> moderate the microsoft.public.windows.* groups.

>

> Perhaps a few of the more "immoderates", who are usually unwilling to

> forego having the last word, could learn to moderate their OWN

> behavior.

>

> After all, WHY is it so important that "I" (whoever the "I" is) must

> always be right? Sometimes, the "wrongest" thing a man can do is to

> "be right".

>

> I've been "right" many times, but ultimately did the WRONG thing by

> insisting on my "rightness". While it is good to have a strong sense

> of morality and virtue, if we are TRULY right, and TRULY act

> virtuously, we will not need to claim our "rightness".

>

> If one is "right", he is "right" whether another believes it or not.

> And if one's actions are "virtuous", they will be apparent to all

> around. There is no need to boast or brag about one's own virtues.

>

> Both good and evil men recognize a good man, even without speaking.

> Good men recognize other good men by their words and deeds to others.

> Evil men, however, recognize good men only by the way they themselves

> are treated.

>

> IF they are treated well, they will recognize the goodness in the

> good man. IF they are treated evily, they will recognize only evil in

> the good OR evil man.

>

> Donald L McDaniel

> Please reply to the correct thread and article.

> ================================================

Lovely rhetoric, but of no import to the folks who need it.

This group is not intended to be an advocacy, Ubuntu or Linux forum.

Were I to moderate it (for pay!) the foolishness would end immediately.

It would revert to being useful and helpful, minus the distraction from

those whose mission in boredom is to be contentious and disruptive.

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