"Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

the number of actual Linux users."

 

 

"We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

 

 

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

--

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Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:

> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

> and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

> the number of actual Linux users."

>

>

> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

 

Kewl! Does it "rock" and "work really well"? Does it meet your "needs"?

> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

 

LOL. At least some people get it.

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:19:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux

> 2.1 and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally

> surpassed the number of actual Linux users."

>

>

> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology

> analyst Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most

> expected. We've seen explosive growth in the number of Linux

> distributions, in fact my nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy

> Linux 1.1 last week."

>

>

> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

 

Must be somewhat similar to vista stats - 150 million units sold 50 in

use.

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:28:12 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:

>

>> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

>> and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

>> the number of actual Linux users."

>>

>>

>> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

>> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

>> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

>> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

>

> Kewl! Does it "rock" and "work really well"? Does it meet your "needs"?

>

>> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>

> LOL. At least some people get it.

 

Hahaha!

 

Linux and the Linux community is a ball of confusion, a clusterfsck that is

fragmented, filled with hateful, arrogant people and which has no direction

or leadership.

 

Everyone is free to do their own thing, which is fine if you wish to remain

like the above.

However if Linux ever has a hope of challenging Microsoft for the desktop

it is going to have to reign in the confusion and become organized, even if

it is loosely organized at first.

 

They can start with why the need for so many different package managers.

 

Then they can move to why they need 15 different sound systems.

 

Why so many different native file systems.

 

Why different startup and shutdown scripts doing different things at the

various levels in the boot/shutdown process.

 

Why so many different, and duplicate tools to mange the distribution.

 

An example is Samba.

 

There has to be a dozen or more tools to set up Samba and for anyone who

has attempted to set up Samba they know how confusing it is.

The net is clogged with How-To's on this topic and it is surely one of the

most frequently asked questions in Linux help groups.

 

 

They should take the best of the best, meld it into ONE TOTALLY WORKING

distribution and then put all the other stuff in a repository free to

download if anyone wants to.

This way they can take all of these people who are working on their own

distributions and pool their resources and talent to create a Linux that

actually works instead of the slopware (mostly) that is what desktop Linux

currently is.

 

But the Linux community won't allow this because they cry "we want

choice!!"

 

Evidently they want inferior slopware programs as well.

 

--

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Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:40:21 -0500, Liarnut wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>

>> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>

>

> "Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer said, "Microsoft will have to play catch up

> with the number of versions that Linux has, but we think we can do it. With

> the break up of Microsoft imminent that will instantly double the number of

> Windows versions available." "

>

> LOL

 

Why the obsession with Windows and Microsoft?

What are you guys afraid of?

 

 

--

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Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>

> Why the obsession with Windows and Microsoft?

> What are you guys afraid of?

 

 

http://distrowatch.com/

Development Release: PUD GNU/Linux 0.4.8.6 LXDE Edition

"Pin-Shiun Chen just announced a special version of PUD GNU/Linux, an

Ubuntu-based mini distribution based on the newest LXDE 0.3: "This edition

of live CD....."

 

 

LMAO Lxers will be pounding their PUDs now.

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:58:41 -0500, Liarnut wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>

>> Why the obsession with Windows and Microsoft?

>> What are you guys afraid of?

>

>

> http://distrowatch.com/

> Development Release: PUD GNU/Linux 0.4.8.6 LXDE Edition

> "Pin-Shiun Chen just announced a special version of PUD GNU/Linux, an

> Ubuntu-based mini distribution based on the newest LXDE 0.3: "This edition

> of live CD....."

>

>

> LMAO Lxers will be pounding their PUDs now.

 

Yep.

 

Yet another Linux distribution is born.

More confusion.

More slopware.

Same, even after 10 years, 0.6 percent desktop market share.

 

 

--

Moshe Goldfarb

Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:44:39 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:40:21 -0500, Liarnut wrote:

>

>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>>

>>> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>>

>>

>> "Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer said, "Microsoft will have to play catch

>> up with the number of versions that Linux has, but we think we can do

>> it. With the break up of Microsoft imminent that will instantly double

>> the number of Windows versions available." "

>>

>> LOL

>

> Why the obsession with Windows and Microsoft? What are you guys afraid

> of?

 

.... more illegal market manipulation?

 

 

 

--

Rick

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:28:12 +0200, Hadron wrote:

>

>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:

>>

>>> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

>>> and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

>>> the number of actual Linux users."

>>>

>>>

>>> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

>>> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

>>> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

>>> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

>> Kewl! Does it "rock" and "work really well"? Does it meet your "needs"?

>>

>>> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>> LOL. At least some people get it.

>

> Hahaha!

>

> Linux and the Linux community is a ball of confusion, a clusterfsck that is

> fragmented, filled with hateful, arrogant people and which has no direction

> or leadership.

>

> Everyone is free to do their own thing, which is fine if you wish to remain

> like the above.

> However if Linux ever has a hope of challenging Microsoft for the desktop

> it is going to have to reign in the confusion and become organized, even if

> it is loosely organized at first.

>

> They can start with why the need for so many different package managers.

>

> Then they can move to why they need 15 different sound systems.

>

> Why so many different native file systems.

>

> Why different startup and shutdown scripts doing different things at the

> various levels in the boot/shutdown process.

>

> Why so many different, and duplicate tools to mange the distribution.

>

> An example is Samba.

>

> There has to be a dozen or more tools to set up Samba and for anyone who

> has attempted to set up Samba they know how confusing it is.

> The net is clogged with How-To's on this topic and it is surely one of the

> most frequently asked questions in Linux help groups.

>

>

> They should take the best of the best, meld it into ONE TOTALLY WORKING

> distribution and then put all the other stuff in a repository free to

> download if anyone wants to.

> This way they can take all of these people who are working on their own

> distributions and pool their resources and talent to create a Linux that

> actually works instead of the slopware (mostly) that is what desktop Linux

> currently is.

>

> But the Linux community won't allow this because they cry "we want

> choice!!"

>

> Evidently they want inferior slopware programs as well.

>

 

 

Maybe the software has a little ways to go but it is improving rapidly.

with more Linux distros than users just shows how much smarter Linux

users are than windows users.

From the looks of it many more Linux users can create their own OS.

Almost non of the Windows users can.

caver1

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:58:41 -0500, Liarnut wrote:

>

>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>> Why the obsession with Windows and Microsoft?

>>> What are you guys afraid of?

>>

>> http://distrowatch.com/

>> Development Release: PUD GNU/Linux 0.4.8.6 LXDE Edition

>> "Pin-Shiun Chen just announced a special version of PUD GNU/Linux, an

>> Ubuntu-based mini distribution based on the newest LXDE 0.3: "This edition

>> of live CD....."

>>

>>

>> LMAO Lxers will be pounding their PUDs now.

>

> Yep.

>

> Yet another Linux distribution is born.

> More confusion.

> More slopware.

> Same, even after 10 years, 0.6 percent desktop market share.

>

>

 

 

At least someone thought of giving them pleasure. MS sure don't.

caver1

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:28:12 +0200, Hadron wrote:

>

>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:

>>

>>> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux

>>> 2.1 and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally

>>> surpassed the number of actual Linux users."

>>>

>>>

>>> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology

>>> analyst

>>> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

>>> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

>>> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

>>

>> Kewl! Does it "rock" and "work really well"? Does it meet your "needs"?

>>

>>> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>>

>> LOL. At least some people get it.

>

> Hahaha!

>

> Linux and the Linux community is a ball of confusion, a clusterfsck that

> is fragmented, filled with hateful, arrogant people and which has no

> direction or leadership.

>

> Everyone is free to do their own thing, which is fine if you wish to

> remain like the above.

> However if Linux ever has a hope of challenging Microsoft for the desktop

> it is going to have to reign in the confusion and become organized, even

> if it is loosely organized at first.

>

> They can start with why the need for so many different package managers.

>

> Then they can move to why they need 15 different sound systems.

>

> Why so many different native file systems.

>

> Why different startup and shutdown scripts doing different things at the

> various levels in the boot/shutdown process.

>

> Why so many different, and duplicate tools to mange the distribution.

>

> An example is Samba.

>

> There has to be a dozen or more tools to set up Samba and for anyone who

> has attempted to set up Samba they know how confusing it is.

> The net is clogged with How-To's on this topic and it is surely one of the

> most frequently asked questions in Linux help groups.

>

>

> They should take the best of the best, meld it into ONE TOTALLY WORKING

> distribution and then put all the other stuff in a repository free to

> download if anyone wants to.

 

Your butt-buddy is working on it now as you type. Just have a little

patience. It's coming!

 

Cheers.

 

--

The world can't afford the rich.

 

How to get help at Microsoft Support ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C2SIZ5qsSQ

 

Francis (Frank) adds a new "gadget" to his Vista box ...

Download it here: http://tinyurl.com/2hnof6

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:58:41 -0500, Liarnut wrote:

>

>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>>

>>> Why the obsession with Windows and Microsoft?

>>> What are you guys afraid of?

>>

>>

>> http://distrowatch.com/

>> Development Release: PUD GNU/Linux 0.4.8.6 LXDE Edition

>> "Pin-Shiun Chen just announced a special version of PUD GNU/Linux, an

>> Ubuntu-based mini distribution based on the newest LXDE 0.3: "This

>> edition of live CD....."

>>

>>

>> LMAO Lxers will be pounding their PUDs now.

>

> Yep.

>

> Yet another Linux distribution is born.

> More confusion.

> More slopware.

 

When do you have the time Mr. Soap Dish, to try out all these distros as

they come out so that you can pass your ultimate judgement on them?

> Same, even after 10 years, 0.6 percent desktop market share.

>

>

Yeh sure, whatever you say Mr. Soap On A Rope. Your contributions to

spreading FUD I'm sure is duly noted by your paymasters at MickeyMouse.

 

Cheers.

 

 

--

The world can't afford the rich.

 

How to get help at Microsoft Support ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C2SIZ5qsSQ

 

Francis (Frank) adds a new "gadget" to his Vista box ...

Download it here: http://tinyurl.com/2hnof6

"ray" wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:19:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>

> > "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux

> > 2.1 and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally

> > surpassed the number of actual Linux users."

> >

> >

> > "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology

> > analyst Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most

> > expected. We've seen explosive growth in the number of Linux

> > distributions, in fact my nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy

> > Linux 1.1 last week."

> >

> >

> > http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>

> Must be somewhat similar to vista stats - 150 million units sold 50 in

> use.

>

 

Ubuntu expands your wisdom and provide you with plenty of choices so that

you decide what is suitable and comfortable to work with unlike Vista which

thinks you are an idiot and you have nothing else worth while to do.

I use both but the difference is I chose to use Ubuntu and the Vista has

been dumped on me by the manufacturer of the laptop.

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:48:21 -0400, caver1 wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:28:12 +0200, Hadron wrote:

>>

>>> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:

>>>

>>>> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

>>>> and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

>>>> the number of actual Linux users."

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

>>>> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

>>>> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

>>>> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

>>> Kewl! Does it "rock" and "work really well"? Does it meet your "needs"?

>>>

>>>> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>>> LOL. At least some people get it.

>>

>> Hahaha!

>>

>> Linux and the Linux community is a ball of confusion, a clusterfsck that is

>> fragmented, filled with hateful, arrogant people and which has no direction

>> or leadership.

>>

>> Everyone is free to do their own thing, which is fine if you wish to remain

>> like the above.

>> However if Linux ever has a hope of challenging Microsoft for the desktop

>> it is going to have to reign in the confusion and become organized, even if

>> it is loosely organized at first.

>>

>> They can start with why the need for so many different package managers.

>>

>> Then they can move to why they need 15 different sound systems.

>>

>> Why so many different native file systems.

>>

>> Why different startup and shutdown scripts doing different things at the

>> various levels in the boot/shutdown process.

>>

>> Why so many different, and duplicate tools to mange the distribution.

>>

>> An example is Samba.

>>

>> There has to be a dozen or more tools to set up Samba and for anyone who

>> has attempted to set up Samba they know how confusing it is.

>> The net is clogged with How-To's on this topic and it is surely one of the

>> most frequently asked questions in Linux help groups.

>>

>>

>> They should take the best of the best, meld it into ONE TOTALLY WORKING

>> distribution and then put all the other stuff in a repository free to

>> download if anyone wants to.

>> This way they can take all of these people who are working on their own

>> distributions and pool their resources and talent to create a Linux that

>> actually works instead of the slopware (mostly) that is what desktop Linux

>> currently is.

>>

>> But the Linux community won't allow this because they cry "we want

>> choice!!"

>>

>> Evidently they want inferior slopware programs as well.

>>

>

>

> Maybe the software has a little ways to go but it is improving rapidly.

> with more Linux distros than users just shows how much smarter Linux

> users are than windows users.

> From the looks of it many more Linux users can create their own OS.

> Almost non of the Windows users can.

> caver1

 

Of course Linux has been improving, but being able to create your own

distribution of the month caters to a small subset of geeks and does

nothing but further the confusion.

 

The vast majority of the market are USERS not geek programmer types.

That is one major reason why Linux does not appeal to average Joe.

 

 

--

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Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:01:08 +0100, Christopher Hunter wrote:

> NoStop wrote:

>

>> Mushy Goldbrick wrote:

>

>>> Yet another Linux distribution is born.

>>> More confusion.

>>> More slopware.

>>

>> When do you have the time Mr. Soap Dish, to try out all these distros as

>> they come out so that you can pass your ultimate judgement on them?

>

> He's too busy collecting samples of his ancestors...

>

> C.

 

What is it with Linux user and World War II atrocities?

You guys are truly sicko...

 

 

--

Moshe Goldfarb

Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:07:44 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> Of course Linux has been improving, but being able to create your own

> distribution of the month caters to a small subset of geeks and does

> nothing but further the confusion.

>

> The vast majority of the market are USERS not geek programmer types.

> That is one major reason why Linux does not appeal to average Joe.

 

You don't have to be a geek. Under Ubuntu all it takes is one command to

generate a LiveDVD using your current setup. You can use the LiveDVD on

future reinstalls or if you plan to install to more than one machine, and

you can also boot it on the same machine or a different one and have the

same settings and applications as on your HD. Throw in a USB drive for

persistent storage and you can even save data and configuration changes.

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:24:14 -0500, netcat wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:07:44 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>

>> Of course Linux has been improving, but being able to create your own

>> distribution of the month caters to a small subset of geeks and does

>> nothing but further the confusion.

>>

>> The vast majority of the market are USERS not geek programmer types.

>> That is one major reason why Linux does not appeal to average Joe.

>

> You don't have to be a geek. Under Ubuntu all it takes is one command to

> generate a LiveDVD using your current setup. You can use the LiveDVD on

> future reinstalls or if you plan to install to more than one machine, and

> you can also boot it on the same machine or a different one and have the

> same settings and applications as on your HD. Throw in a USB drive for

> persistent storage and you can even save data and configuration changes.

 

You've just proved my point.........

 

--

Moshe Goldfarb

Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>> On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:58:41 -0500, Liarnut wrote:

>>

>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>>> Why the obsession with Windows and Microsoft?

>>>> What are you guys afraid of?

>>>

>>> http://distrowatch.com/

>>> Development Release: PUD GNU/Linux 0.4.8.6 LXDE Edition

>>> "Pin-Shiun Chen just announced a special version of PUD GNU/Linux,

>>> an Ubuntu-based mini distribution based on the newest LXDE 0.3:

>>> "This edition of live CD....."

>>>

>>>

>>> LMAO Lxers will be pounding their PUDs now.

>>

>> Yep.

>>

>> Yet another Linux distribution is born.

>> More confusion.

>> More slopware.

>> Same, even after 10 years, 0.6 percent desktop market share.

>>

>>

>

>

> At least someone thought of giving them pleasure. MS sure don't.

> caver1

 

Most people (including Tattoed Lobotomy) want their desktops to work and

have applications working that employees must use to do a job of

work. Not something to give them pleasure.

>Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com>

>Linux and the Linux community is a ball of confusion

 

Overall, yes. But then, any sufficiently large demographic seems confused to me

because... well, people can be really, really different from each other.

>filled with hateful, arrogant people

 

If you're talking about the "I hate MS and everything associated with it"

brigade, then yeah, those folks are really annoying and useless. Also, the

Linux "unpaid salesmen" (typically referred to as "fanbois") are really

annoying, because they're more interested in selling you on their particular

pet distro than actually being honest and helpful. They also almost always

belong to the aforementioned brigade, which makes them doubly useless.

 

The annoyance of too many Ubuntu fanbois helped convince me to switch to

Debian. I just found Debian to a more serious distro where you can find good

help without having to endure fanbois as much. I was able to put together a

Debian system to do exactly what I wanted easier than with Ubuntu.

>and which has no direction or leadership.

 

Overall yes. But see my comment above about large demographics.

>Everyone is free to do their own thing, which is fine if you wish to remain

>like the above.

>However if Linux ever has a hope of challenging Microsoft for the desktop

>it is going to have to reign in the confusion and become organized, even if

>it is loosely organized at first.

>They can start with why the need for so many different package managers.

 

Yeah, that really needs to be addressed. I read an article about a guy who

proposed to have an API added to Linux to aid in the installation of software.

He got a bunch of developers of various package managers together, and got some

feedback from them. The conclusion seemed to be that most of them were planning

to simply keep doing things their own way, weren't all that interested in a

standard Linux API for installation purposes, and didn't really have much of an

interest in working on a more common solution. C'est la vie. So what we have is

a bunch of package systems, and app developers who don't support them all

because it's too much of a pain in the ass.

 

When I package my software, I make a deb, and that's it. It's not that I have

anything against other package managers, but I happen to use apt-based distros,

and I just don't have the time nor inclination to bother with the package

managers of other distros. If those folks don't want to make it easier for me,

then I'm not interested in them.

>Then they can move to why they need 15 different sound systems.

 

Because nearly all of them have their flaws, being designed by people who have

some good ideas, but unfortunately, do not seem to choose to have those ideas

peer reviewed by appropriate people (other sound developers, musicians, etc)

before coding starts. This is a really big problem with lots of open source

development. People start coding without taking the extra step of first writing

up some sort of detailed documentation about how the API will work, and getting

that peer-reviewed by other folks who could give good feedback (and maybe

propose some changes that will head off a lot of future dissatisfaction with

the finished code, and forestall a reason for those other dissatisfied folks to

start their own sound system. For some reason, those other dissatisfied folks

repeat the same mistake of not doing what the first programmer should have

done).

 

I always write up the docs for my software before I even start coding. I

*never* use any sort of utility that creates docs from comments in the source

code, and I think that stuff should be outlawed because it encourages people to

fail to do enough "flow charting" and proper peer review before they start

coding.

>Why so many different native file systems.

 

Probably for the same reasons as above.

>They should take the best of the best, meld it into ONE TOTALLY WORKING

>distribution and then put all the other stuff in a repository free to

>download if anyone wants to.

>But the Linux community won't allow this because they cry "we want

>choice!!"

 

I'm sort of with you here. But actually I want more real choice. What I'm

getting with Linux is a bunch of choices that are, to me, pretty much all the

same thing. For example, I don't want a choice between a GUI API that runs atop

of X (and inherents its inherent limitations and design flaws) such as Gnome,

and another GUI API that runs atop of X too such as KDE. I want people to

support more real choices, like instead of dividing up programming attention

between those two, maybe support something that really is much more different

(such as directfb). I don't want a choice between Pulse Audio (ick) or ALSA

(better than Pulse Audio, but still with its problems -- problems that Pulse

Audio inherents because it rides on top of ALSA). I want a choice between sound

systems that really do have a radically different approach. Etc.

 

There are way, way too many Linux "choices" that are far too similiar, have the

same basic set of features and limitations, and seem to exist simply because

people aren't collaborating better. I'd rather see more collaboration among

people who are doing pretty much the same thing, and encourage "choice" where

it really offers something significantly different. The problem Linux has is

that people aren't collaborating enough when they should, nor are they doing

something significantly different when they should. We're getting choices that

aren't enough of a choice.

Hadron wrote:

> Most people (including Tattoed Lobotomy) want their desktops to work and

> have applications working that employees must use to do a job of

> work. Not something to give them pleasure.

 

Hey, fool. I derive great enjoyment from listening to streaming radio

stations, burning CDs and DVDs, and watching movies.

 

You're not just a troll, you really ARE stupid.

--

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[tv]

 

How you look depends on where you go.

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>

> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

> and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

> the number of actual Linux users."

>

>

> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

>

>

> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

 

 

It was bound to happen.

 

Linux Distro Timeline

http://kde-files.org/CONTENT/content-files/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-7.2.png

 

 

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Bruce Chambers <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>

>> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

>> and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

>> the number of actual Linux users."

>>

>>

>> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

>> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

>> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

>> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

>>

>>

>> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>

>

> It was bound to happen.

>

> Linux Distro Timeline

> http://kde-files.org/CONTENT/content-files/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-7.2.png

 

And they forgot bobbi's favorite - Mint.

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:50:39 -0400, Jeff Glatt wrote:

>>Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com>

>>Linux and the Linux community is a ball of confusion

>

> Overall, yes. But then, any sufficiently large demographic seems confused to me

> because... well, people can be really, really different from each other.

 

Linux needs some organization because it's obvious that everyone is doing

their own thing and no clear "winner" has emerged, except maybe

Ubuntu/Debian.

 

There has to be a focus to fix what is wrong with Linux rather than

releasing even more broken distributions.

 

>>filled with hateful, arrogant people

>

> If you're talking about the "I hate MS and everything associated with it"

> brigade, then yeah, those folks are really annoying and useless. Also, the

> Linux "unpaid salesmen" (typically referred to as "fanbois") are really

> annoying, because they're more interested in selling you on their particular

> pet distro than actually being honest and helpful. They also almost always

> belong to the aforementioned brigade, which makes them doubly useless.

 

You've just described COLA to the letter.

 

There are a couple of PAID fanbois in COLA as well though.

> The annoyance of too many Ubuntu fanbois helped convince me to switch to

> Debian. I just found Debian to a more serious distro where you can find good

> help without having to endure fanbois as much. I was able to put together a

> Debian system to do exactly what I wanted easier than with Ubuntu.

 

Agreed.

I think they should rename their trees though because the stable/unstable

etc stuff is confusing.

>>and which has no direction or leadership.

>

> Overall yes. But see my comment above about large demographics.

>

>>Everyone is free to do their own thing, which is fine if you wish to remain

>>like the above.

>>However if Linux ever has a hope of challenging Microsoft for the desktop

>>it is going to have to reign in the confusion and become organized, even if

>>it is loosely organized at first.

>

>>They can start with why the need for so many different package managers.

>

> Yeah, that really needs to be addressed. I read an article about a guy who

> proposed to have an API added to Linux to aid in the installation of software.

> He got a bunch of developers of various package managers together, and got some

> feedback from them. The conclusion seemed to be that most of them were planning

> to simply keep doing things their own way, weren't all that interested in a

> standard Linux API for installation purposes, and didn't really have much of an

> interest in working on a more common solution. C'est la vie. So what we have is

> a bunch of package systems, and app developers who don't support them all

> because it's too much of a pain in the ass.

 

This is called "choice" in COLA.

While technically it is choice, it is also confusing and not helping the

Linux cause at all.

 

Fragmentation is not a good thing for Linux.

 

Too many Indians and not enough Chiefs IMHO.

> When I package my software, I make a deb, and that's it. It's not that I have

> anything against other package managers, but I happen to use apt-based distros,

> and I just don't have the time nor inclination to bother with the package

> managers of other distros. If those folks don't want to make it easier for me,

> then I'm not interested in them.

>

>>Then they can move to why they need 15 different sound systems.

>

> Because nearly all of them have their flaws, being designed by people who have

> some good ideas, but unfortunately, do not seem to choose to have those ideas

> peer reviewed by appropriate people (other sound developers, musicians, etc)

> before coding starts. This is a really big problem with lots of open source

> development. People start coding without taking the extra step of first writing

> up some sort of detailed documentation about how the API will work, and getting

> that peer-reviewed by other folks who could give good feedback (and maybe

> propose some changes that will head off a lot of future dissatisfaction with

> the finished code, and forestall a reason for those other dissatisfied folks to

> start their own sound system. For some reason, those other dissatisfied folks

> repeat the same mistake of not doing what the first programmer should have

> done).

 

This is where "pooling resources" would help Linux.

 

The idea is that people want to play/record/edit sounds.

They don't want to have to play with various Linux sound systems and they

certainly don't need the different sound systems all competing for

interrupts and thus resulting in no sound at all.

IOW playing two sounds from two different applications at once is a crap

shoot depending upon which sound system is active.

 

We've all seen the /dev/dspx is in use by another program/process message.

 

This just doesn't happen under Windows unless you are using some high end

package like Nuendo which assumes it is the only application using the

sound subsystem.

IOW it's highly unlikely a musician would be listening to streaming radio

while mixing or recording his latest project :)

 

> I always write up the docs for my software before I even start coding. I

> *never* use any sort of utility that creates docs from comments in the source

> code, and I think that stuff should be outlawed because it encourages people to

> fail to do enough "flow charting" and proper peer review before they start

> coding.

 

That's another Linux problem, documentation.

Either the docs are too minimul (ie:The File menu contains, etc )

or they are too complex.

And then there is the tons of outdated How-To's and so forth on the net as

well as specific doc for each individual distribution and now you have a

giant mess.

 

>>Why so many different native file systems.

>

> Probably for the same reasons as above.

 

Yep.

Everyone is doing their own thing.

Except maybe Hans Reiser who will be doing what he is told for the rest of

his life, most likely.

>>They should take the best of the best, meld it into ONE TOTALLY WORKING

>>distribution and then put all the other stuff in a repository free to

>>download if anyone wants to.

>

>>But the Linux community won't allow this because they cry "we want

>>choice!!"

>

> I'm sort of with you here. But actually I want more real choice. What I'm

> getting with Linux is a bunch of choices that are, to me, pretty much all the

> same thing. For example, I don't want a choice between a GUI API that runs atop

> of X (and inherents its inherent limitations and design flaws) such as Gnome,

> and another GUI API that runs atop of X too such as KDE. I want people to

> support more real choices, like instead of dividing up programming attention

> between those two, maybe support something that really is much more different

> (such as directfb). I don't want a choice between Pulse Audio (ick) or ALSA

> (better than Pulse Audio, but still with its problems -- problems that Pulse

> Audio inherents because it rides on top of ALSA). I want a choice between sound

> systems that really do have a radically different approach. Etc.

 

We agree.

I also see a need for the targeted distributions like DSL (low resource

systems) or the firewall on a floppy distribution (I can't remember it's

name but it is very good), audio recording based distributions are ok as

well.

 

It's the distributions that are nothing but graphics, maybe a different

menu strutcture etc that are confusing things because they are so close to

the versions they are based on.

 

How many Ubunut offshoots are there?

There must be at least 100 of those alone.

 

> There are way, way too many Linux "choices" that are far too similiar, have the

> same basic set of features and limitations, and seem to exist simply because

> people aren't collaborating better. I'd rather see more collaboration among

> people who are doing pretty much the same thing, and encourage "choice" where

> it really offers something significantly different. The problem Linux has is

> that people aren't collaborating enough when they should, nor are they doing

> something significantly different when they should. We're getting choices that

> aren't enough of a choice.

 

The problem is they are reinventing the wheel over and over again and while

a particular distribution may solve one problem, it creates another problem

in the process and the cycle continues.

 

 

Your post is a fine one BTW Jeff.

The people in COLA could learn from your honesty and unbiased view of

things.

 

BTW when I make mention of Linux loons etc I am speaking of COLA and real

zealots. I'm not referring to Linux advocates in general because most of

them don't act like the loons in COLA do.

 

 

 

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bunnyman, an as* kissing urbuttoo fanatic wrote:

>

> "ray" wrote:

>

>

>>On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:19:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>

>>

>>>"Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux

>>>2.1 and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally

>>>surpassed the number of actual Linux users."

>>>

>>>

>>>"We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology

>>>analyst Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most

>>>expected. We've seen explosive growth in the number of Linux

>>>distributions, in fact my nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy

>>>Linux 1.1 last week."

>>>

>>>

>>>http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html

>>

>>Must be somewhat similar to vista stats - 150 million units sold 50 in

>>use.

>>

>

>

> Ubuntu expands your wisdom and provide you with plenty of choices so that

> you decide what is suitable and comfortable to work with unlike Vista which

> thinks you are an idiot and you have nothing else worth while to do.

 

Who are you fukkin kidding. You're a moron who also just happens to be a

complete idiot and a fool!

> I use both but the difference is I chose to use Ubuntu and the Vista has

> been dumped on me by the manufacturer of the laptop.

 

You're just a little whining POS loser!

STFU BUNNYMAN...LOL!

Frank

>

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>

> "Somewhere in California - At 8:30 PDT with the release of Snoopy Linux 2.1

> and Goober Linux 1.0, the number of Linux distributions finally surpassed

> the number of actual Linux users."

>

hehehe...that's funny...and proly true...LOL!

Frank

>

> "We've been expecting it for some time," Merrill Lynch technology analyst

> Tom Shayes said, "but this is a little sooner than most expected. We've

> seen explosive growth in the number of Linux distributions, in fact my

> nephew just put out LittleLinux Chart Tommy Linux 1.1 last week."

>

>

> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html