On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

> Ezekiel wrote:

>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

>>

>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in the

>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next 12 months.

>>

>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in PC

>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and enterprise-wide,

>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>

> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

 

How many are planning to move to Open Office?

 

--

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Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>

>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>

>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in the

>>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next 12

>>> months.

>>>

>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in PC

>>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>> enterprise-wide,

>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>

>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>

> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>

> --

> Moshe Goldfarb

> Collector of soaps from around the globe.

> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

No one that thinks it all the way though or expects to make a career in that

company.

--

Regards, BobF.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb

<brick.n.straw@gmail.com>

wrote

on Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:58:11 -0400

<1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net>:

> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>

>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>

>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in the

>>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next 12 months.

>>>

>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in PC

>>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and enterprise-wide,

>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>

>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>

> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>

 

None, of course. The rest are waiting for Office 2008 or

2009, like good little sheeple who have been hypnotized

by the four-color flag waving in the breeze. Just that

beautiful square-holed flag, waving in the breeze.

 

Relaxing, isn't it? Especially while the multicolored

butterflies flutter by as well.

 

You will now go out and buy Vista Ultimate, when I snap

my fingers.

 

*click*

 

--

#191, ewill3@earthlink.net

Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #40490127:

for()

 

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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:58:11 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>

>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>

>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in

>>> the next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next

>>> 12 months.

>>>

>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in

>>> PC hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>> enterprise-wide, while 25 percent said they would be

>>> project-by-project.

>>

>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>

> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

 

Who knows? Any positive number is a good number.

 

--

Rick

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:09:04 -0400, BobF. wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net...

>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>

>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>

>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in

>>>> the next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next

>>>> 12 months.

>>>>

>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in

>>>> PC hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>

>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>

>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>

>> --

>> Moshe Goldfarb

>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of

>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

>

> No one that thinks it all the way though or expects to make a career in

> that company.

 

.... in your opinion.

 

--

Rick

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:09:04 -0400, BobF. wrote:

>

>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net...

>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>>

>>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

> converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>>

>>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in

>>>>> the next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next

>>>>> 12 months.

>>>>>

>>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in

>>>>> PC hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>>

>>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>>

>>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Moshe Goldfarb

>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of

>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

>>

>> No one that thinks it all the way though or expects to make a career in

>> that company.

>

> ... in your opinion.

>

> --

> Rick

Yup, as a retired VP of a fortune 500 company, overseeing about 100,000

workstations. I talked softly, carried a big stick and shortened some of

those careers.

--

Regards, BobF.

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:23:55 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb

> <brick.n.straw@gmail.com>

> wrote

> on Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:58:11 -0400

> <1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net>:

>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>

>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>

>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in the

>>>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next 12 months.

>>>>

>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in PC

>>>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and enterprise-wide,

>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>

>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>

>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>

>

> None, of course. The rest are waiting for Office 2008 or

> 2009, like good little sheeple who have been hypnotized

> by the four-color flag waving in the breeze. Just that

> beautiful square-holed flag, waving in the breeze.

>

> Relaxing, isn't it? Especially while the multicolored

> butterflies flutter by as well.

>

> You will now go out and buy Vista Ultimate, when I snap

> my fingers.

>

> *click*

>

> --

> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net

> Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #40490127:

> for()

 

Linux is free.

Open Office is free.

 

Windows is expensive.

Office is even more expensive.

 

Why are people willing to pay a lot of money to use Windows software when

Linux is free?

 

To me, that says it all.

 

Something that is free, that virtually nobody is using and which can't

compete with commercial products that cost a lot of money, has some serious

problems.

 

Linux has some serious problems.

 

--

Moshe Goldfarb

Collector of soaps from around the globe.

Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>

> when I snap

> my fingers.

>

> *click*

 

click? CLICK??

 

"when I _snap_ my fingers"

 

>

> --

> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net

> Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #40490127:

> for()

 

....it's "-- "

 

 

 

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"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:23:55 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>

>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb

>> <brick.n.straw@gmail.com>

>> wrote

>> on Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:58:11 -0400

>> <1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net>:

>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>>

>>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>>

>>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in

>>>>> the

>>>>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next 12

>>>>> months.

>>>>>

>>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in

>>>>> PC

>>>>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>>

>>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>>

>>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>>

>>

>> None, of course. The rest are waiting for Office 2008 or

>> 2009, like good little sheeple who have been hypnotized

>> by the four-color flag waving in the breeze. Just that

>> beautiful square-holed flag, waving in the breeze.

>>

>> Relaxing, isn't it? Especially while the multicolored

>> butterflies flutter by as well.

>>

>> You will now go out and buy Vista Ultimate, when I snap

>> my fingers.

>>

>> *click*

>>

>> --

>> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net

>> Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #40490127:

>> for()

>

> Linux is free.

> Open Office is free.

>

> Windows is expensive.

> Office is even more expensive.

>

> Why are people willing to pay a lot of money to use Windows software when

> Linux is free?

>

> To me, that says it all.

>

> Something that is free, that virtually nobody is using and which can't

> compete with commercial products that cost a lot of money, has some

> serious

> problems.

>

> Linux has some serious problems.

>

> --

> Moshe Goldfarb

> Collector of soaps from around the globe.

> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

Here...take these drugs kid! They're free! Ever wonder what are motives of

people who give away a product for free?

 

--

Regards, BobF.

"Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>

>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>

>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007 in the

>>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next 12

>>> months.

>>>

>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades in PC

>>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>> enterprise-wide,

>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>

>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>

> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>

> --

> Moshe Goldfarb

> Collector of soaps from around the globe.

> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

 

A few less now that it will not be free for very much longer..

 

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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:44:36 -0400, BobF. wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:eKednf8LpeN7W2_anZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@supernews.com...

>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:09:04 -0400, BobF. wrote:

>>

>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

>> converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007

>>>>>> in the next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the

>>>>>> next 12 months.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades

>>>>>> in PC hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>>>

>>>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>>>

>>>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Moshe Goldfarb

>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of

>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

>>>

>>> No one that thinks it all the way though or expects to make a career

>>> in that company.

>>

>> ... in your opinion.

>>

>> --

>> Rick

> Yup, as a retired VP of a fortune 500 company, overseeing about 100,000

> workstations. I talked softly, carried a big stick and shortened some

> of those careers.

 

Proud of that, are you? Proud of shortening careers as a reward for

people trying to improve things?

 

--

Rick

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:57:47 -0400, BobF. wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:1dr3m1mfbm8bk.11btfrasnjgmz.dlg@40tude.net...

>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:23:55 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>>

>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com>

>>> wrote

>>> on Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:58:11 -0400

>>> <1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net>:

>>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007

>>>>>> in the

>>>>>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next

>>>>>> 12 months.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades

>>>>>> in PC

>>>>>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>>>

>>>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>>>

>>>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>>>

>>>>

>>> None, of course. The rest are waiting for Office 2008 or 2009, like

>>> good little sheeple who have been hypnotized by the four-color flag

>>> waving in the breeze. Just that beautiful square-holed flag, waving

>>> in the breeze.

>>>

>>> Relaxing, isn't it? Especially while the multicolored butterflies

>>> flutter by as well.

>>>

>>> You will now go out and buy Vista Ultimate, when I snap my fingers.

>>>

>>> *click*

>>>

>>> --

>>> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net

>>> Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #40490127: for()

>>

>> Linux is free.

>> Open Office is free.

>>

>> Windows is expensive.

>> Office is even more expensive.

>>

>> Why are people willing to pay a lot of money to use Windows software

>> when Linux is free?

>>

>> To me, that says it all.

>>

>> Something that is free, that virtually nobody is using and which can't

>> compete with commercial products that cost a lot of money, has some

>> serious

>> problems.

>>

>> Linux has some serious problems.

>>

>> --

>> Moshe Goldfarb

>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of

>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

>

> Here...take these drugs kid! They're free! Ever wonder what are

> motives of people who give away a product for free?

 

You're a real piece of work. Comparing OSS developers to drug dealers.

Why am I not surprised?

 

 

--

Rick

--

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"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:57:47 -0400, BobF. wrote:

>

>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:1dr3m1mfbm8bk.11btfrasnjgmz.dlg@40tude.net...

>>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:23:55 -0700, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>>>

>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com>

>>>> wrote

>>>> on Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:58:11 -0400

>>>> <1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net>:

>>>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

> converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007

>>>>>>> in the

>>>>>>> next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the next

>>>>>>> 12 months.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades

>>>>>>> in PC

>>>>>>> hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>>>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>>>>

>>>>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>> None, of course. The rest are waiting for Office 2008 or 2009, like

>>>> good little sheeple who have been hypnotized by the four-color flag

>>>> waving in the breeze. Just that beautiful square-holed flag, waving

>>>> in the breeze.

>>>>

>>>> Relaxing, isn't it? Especially while the multicolored butterflies

>>>> flutter by as well.

>>>>

>>>> You will now go out and buy Vista Ultimate, when I snap my fingers.

>>>>

>>>> *click*

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> #191, ewill3@earthlink.net

>>>> Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #40490127: for()

>>>

>>> Linux is free.

>>> Open Office is free.

>>>

>>> Windows is expensive.

>>> Office is even more expensive.

>>>

>>> Why are people willing to pay a lot of money to use Windows software

>>> when Linux is free?

>>>

>>> To me, that says it all.

>>>

>>> Something that is free, that virtually nobody is using and which can't

>>> compete with commercial products that cost a lot of money, has some

>>> serious

>>> problems.

>>>

>>> Linux has some serious problems.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Moshe Goldfarb

>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of

>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

>>

>> Here...take these drugs kid! They're free! Ever wonder what are

>> motives of people who give away a product for free?

>

> You're a real piece of work. Comparing OSS developers to drug dealers.

> Why am I not surprised?

> --

> Rick

 

Sorry, didn't mean to hit too close to home.

<SNIP>

> The CIO is complaining because costs are sky rocketing.

> So along comes Roy and suggests that they replace Microsoft Office

> with Open Office which is free.

> The other managers explain that MSOffice is already paid for, they

> have a contract for support that is rolled into a site support

> contract and that the employees and the various suppliers are familiar

> with MSOffice.

>

> Roy is persistent and makes a convincing long term deployment case for

> Open Office.

>

> The CIO swallows Roy's line.

>

> One year later the company can't interact with their suppliers because

> the various macros they were running under MSOffice do not work under

> Open Office.

 

First, why did it take 1 year to find out SOME macro functions may have

not been implemented 100% ?

> Microsoft has now re-evaluated their support contract price due to

> their not using MSoffice.

> And last but not least the employees are having a difficult time

> making their already archive documents import completely and

> accurately into Open Office.

>

> Roy Schestowitz gets fired and decides to go back to school again for

> another 15 years of sponging off his parents.

> The company is now out of business.

 

Second, ANY good IT person would do testing of all applications to be

sure it fit the bill for the company before implementing them.

> Now, let's suppose that instead of eager beaver Roy, the company had

> an old salt experienced IT person.

> He would have said, MSOffice is the standard.

> Everyone is using it.

> It works.

> It doesn't cost us a lot of money in scheme of things.

 

Not since it's already paid for. But what happens when the contract comes

up for renewal ? .... When the bill comes in from MS for $200K ?

 

If 'Roy' was smart, he would have done all of his homework with OO and

see if it worked as necessary. He then would have kept an eye on any

updates that may solve any possible issues he found.

 

A couple months before the big bill comes from Big Bill, he would hint

that he thinks he may be able to save the company $200K by changing over.

 

He could then show the man in charge the results of his testing, along

with anything that a changeover would affect, and any other necessary

tasks related to changing.

 

You can be a stupid IT person no matter what OS you support.

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"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:44:36 -0400, BobF. wrote:

>

>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

>> news:eKednf8LpeN7W2_anZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@supernews.com...

>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:09:04 -0400, BobF. wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

>>> converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007

>>>>>>> in the next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the

>>>>>>> next 12 months.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades

>>>>>>> in PC hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>>>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>>>>

>>>>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb

>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of

>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

>>>>

>>>> No one that thinks it all the way though or expects to make a career

>>>> in that company.

>>>

>>> ... in your opinion.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Rick

>> Yup, as a retired VP of a fortune 500 company, overseeing about 100,000

>> workstations. I talked softly, carried a big stick and shortened some

>> of those careers.

>

> Proud of that, are you? Proud of shortening careers as a reward for

> people trying to improve things?

>

> --

> Rick

 

Are you kidding! I just shuttled them over to the competition. That's

where I want them to be. I hope they do well there. I got to go. This is

too easy. You guys are a big easy target and I'll let others have a chance.

I can't stand this much fun at my age. Have a good night.

--

Regards, BobF.

DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:

> <SNIP>

>> The CIO is complaining because costs are sky rocketing.

>> So along comes Roy and suggests that they replace Microsoft Office

>> with Open Office which is free.

>> The other managers explain that MSOffice is already paid for, they

>> have a contract for support that is rolled into a site support

>> contract and that the employees and the various suppliers are familiar

>> with MSOffice.

>>

>> Roy is persistent and makes a convincing long term deployment case for

>> Open Office.

>>

>> The CIO swallows Roy's line.

>>

>> One year later the company can't interact with their suppliers because

>> the various macros they were running under MSOffice do not work under

>> Open Office.

>

> First, why did it take 1 year to find out SOME macro functions may have

> not been implemented 100% ?

 

Err, because thats how long it can take before audits reveal issues?

Some functions are not used that frequently? There are many reasons.

>

>> Microsoft has now re-evaluated their support contract price due to

>> their not using MSoffice.

>> And last but not least the employees are having a difficult time

>> making their already archive documents import completely and

>> accurately into Open Office.

>>

>> Roy Schestowitz gets fired and decides to go back to school again for

>> another 15 years of sponging off his parents.

>> The company is now out of business.

>

> Second, ANY good IT person would do testing of all applications to be

> sure it fit the bill for the company before implementing them.

 

Sure. But we are talking Roy leading the push. He hasn't got a clue and

just assumes it all works.

"BobF." <bobf@abracadabra.com> wrote in message

news:9BD877D6-7ADA-4B9A-9B4B-B1DC3D831B3E@microsoft.com...

>

>

> --

> Regards, BobF.

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

> news:eKednf4LpePpSG_anZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@supernews.com...

>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:44:36 -0400, BobF. wrote:

>>

>>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eKednf8LpeN7W2_anZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@supernews.com...

>>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:09:04 -0400, BobF. wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:1xfutjmn8aw9u$.qdnkd17nw0uw.dlg@40tude.net...

>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:36:53 GMT, Matt wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:

>>>>>>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/01/Office-2007-winning-

>>>> converts-survey-says_1.html

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The survey also showed that 43 percent plan to deploy Office 2007

>>>>>>>> in the next six months and that 29 percent plan rollouts within the

>>>>>>>> next 12 months.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> In addition, 43 percent said those rollouts were tied to upgrades

>>>>>>>> in PC hardware, 32 percent said their rollouts would be broad and

>>>>>>>> enterprise-wide,

>>>>>>>> while 25 percent said they would be project-by-project.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 32% of 72% is 23%. So 23% are planning "broad and enterprise-wide"

>>>>>>> changes to Office 2007 in the next year.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> How many are planning to move to Open Office?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb

>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of

>>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

>>>>>

>>>>> No one that thinks it all the way though or expects to make a career

>>>>> in that company.

>>>>

>>>> ... in your opinion.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Rick

>>> Yup, as a retired VP of a fortune 500 company, overseeing about 100,000

>>> workstations. I talked softly, carried a big stick and shortened some

>>> of those careers.

>>

>> Proud of that, are you? Proud of shortening careers as a reward for

>> people trying to improve things?

>>

>> --

>> Rick

>

> Are you kidding! I just shuttled them over to the competition. That's

> where I want them to be. I hope they do well there. I got to go. This

> is too easy. You guys are a big easy target and I'll let others have a

> chance. I can't stand this much fun at my age. Have a good night.

> --

> Regards, BobF.

 

I forgot to add that I like to move these people over to the competition

because it raised the average IQ of both companies. Great improvement since

you asked.

--

Regards, BobF.

* BobF. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Yup, as a retired VP of a fortune 500 company, overseeing about 100,000

> workstations. I talked softly, carried a big stick and shortened some of

> those careers.

 

Sure you did. I'll bet you were not even a Microsoft MVP, ya big

windbag.

 

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No! There are no significant bugs in our released software that any

significant number of users want fixed.

-- Bill Gates, http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html

* BobF. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Are you kidding! I just shuttled them over to the competition. That's

> where I want them to be. I hope they do well there. I got to go. This is

> too easy. You guys are a big easy target and I'll let others have a chance.

> I can't stand this much fun at my age. Have a good night.

 

"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."

 

--

The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead

all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that

it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the

first place.

-- Douglas Adams

* BobF. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> --

> Regards, BobF.

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message

>

> . . .

>

> >> Here...take these drugs kid! They're free! Ever wonder what are

> >> motives of people who give away a product for free?

> >

> > You're a real piece of work. Comparing OSS developers to drug dealers.

> > Why am I not surprised?

>

> > --

> > Rick

>

> Sorry, didn't mean to hit too close to home.

 

Hey Mr. VP, you put your message after your sig.

 

--

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-- Bill Gates

Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in news:fsulgt$fge$2

@registered.motzarella.org:

>>> One year later the company can't interact with their suppliers

because

>>> the various macros they were running under MSOffice do not work under

>>> Open Office.

>>

>> First, why did it take 1 year to find out SOME macro functions may

have

>> not been implemented 100% ?

>

> Err, because thats how long it can take before audits reveal issues?

> Some functions are not used that frequently? There are many reasons.

 

Not used frequently, but shuold still tested. I've done a lot of

regression testing out some products my company sells, and the test have

always included ALL functions, no matter how small, or how old. If the

features are there, they are tested.

>>

>>> Microsoft has now re-evaluated their support contract price due to

>>> their not using MSoffice.

>>> And last but not least the employees are having a difficult time

>>> making their already archive documents import completely and

>>> accurately into Open Office.

>>>

>>> Roy Schestowitz gets fired and decides to go back to school again for

>>> another 15 years of sponging off his parents.

>>> The company is now out of business.

>>

>> Second, ANY good IT person would do testing of all applications to be

>> sure it fit the bill for the company before implementing them.

>

> Sure. But we are talking Roy leading the push. He hasn't got a clue and

> just assumes it all works.

 

'So let's take OpenOffice for example and let's take a fictious person

who just got their first job (finally) out of college.'

 

No, we are talking about a fictious person is what was said...right out

of college.

 

Let me explain the problems with this situation.

 

First, Moogie Goldfart chose to name this fictious person after a real

person. You can not make any assumptions about this person in this

*hypothetical* situation.

 

Second, this person is right out of college. Noone 'right out of

college' knows how the real-world IT departments work. They were fed

theory and hands on in a computer lab.

 

Third, no CFO would let a 22 year-old, just out of college, IT guy let

them talk their way into this *hypothetical* situation.

DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:

> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in news:fsulgt$fge$2

> @registered.motzarella.org:

>

>>>> One year later the company can't interact with their suppliers

> because

>>>> the various macros they were running under MSOffice do not work under

>>>> Open Office.

>>>

>>> First, why did it take 1 year to find out SOME macro functions may

> have

>>> not been implemented 100% ?

>>

>> Err, because thats how long it can take before audits reveal issues?

>> Some functions are not used that frequently? There are many reasons.

>

> Not used frequently, but shuold still tested. I've done a lot of

 

Of course it SHOULD be tested. You asked how it might happen. In reality

things get missed especially in a big company with compartmentalised

functionalities.

 

> regression testing out some products my company sells, and the test have

> always included ALL functions, no matter how small, or how old. If the

> features are there, they are tested.

 

You seem to have got mixed up or confused. We are not talking about

stuff your company sells. We are talking about a company with a legacy

infrastructure that might have developed haphazardly over many years

suddenly having Open Office foisted on them by a zealot who assumes it

will all just work. Big difference.

collider?

 

 

"Hadron" <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in message

news:fsuoos$n8f$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:

>

>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in news:fsulgt$fge$2

>> @registered.motzarella.org:

>>

>>>>> One year later the company can't interact with their suppliers

>> because

>>>>> the various macros they were running under MSOffice do not work under

>>>>> Open Office.

>>>>

>>>> First, why did it take 1 year to find out SOME macro functions may

>> have

>>>> not been implemented 100% ?

>>>

>>> Err, because thats how long it can take before audits reveal issues?

>>> Some functions are not used that frequently? There are many reasons.

>>

>> Not used frequently, but shuold still tested. I've done a lot of

>

> Of course it SHOULD be tested. You asked how it might happen. In reality

> things get missed especially in a big company with compartmentalised

> functionalities.

>

>

>> regression testing out some products my company sells, and the test have

>> always included ALL functions, no matter how small, or how old. If the

>> features are there, they are tested.

>

> You seem to have got mixed up or confused. We are not talking about

> stuff your company sells. We are talking about a company with a legacy

> infrastructure that might have developed haphazardly over many years

> suddenly having Open Office foisted on them by a zealot who assumes it

> will all just work. Big difference.

>

BobF. wrote:

> Yup, as a retired VP of a fortune 500 company, overseeing about 100,000

> workstations. I talked softly, carried a big stick and shortened some of

> those careers.

> --

> Regards, BobF.

 

SURE you did, Boob.

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[tv]

 

....Pride is what we have. Pity is what others have.

 

Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company

Good to the last supper

Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> writes:

> BobF. wrote:

>

>> Yup, as a retired VP of a fortune 500 company, overseeing about 100,000

>> workstations. I talked softly, carried a big stick and shortened some of

>> those careers.

>> --

>> Regards, BobF.

>

> SURE you did, Boob.

 

Maybe you two know each other from some kind of "big shot" golf meet?

 

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