> Beginning On April 14th, 2009, Windows XP Home Users Will Have The

> Difficult Choice Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service Pack 1, Or

> Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Just FYI.

 

Or continuing to run XP without further updates.

<dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

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> cern wrote:

>

>> It will be a fixed vista

>

> I thought Vista was already neutered.

 

Then it would be Vistum. Don't you know any Latin? :)

Windows 7 is on the way and has been shown to some MVP's.

 

 

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On Mar 23, 11:16 pm, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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> > <kevpan...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> >> edspyhil...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

> >> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue Support

> >> 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users With The

> >> Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service Pack One

> >> Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>

> > Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not doubt

> > in 2009 any active development ceases.  After that is it likely security

> > fixes only.

>

> > So, which Linux?  Lots to choose from.

>

> > OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>

> > Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>

> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

>

 

Nothing, but I just installed Ubuntu Linux on my old, slow Dell. A

very clean install, it even kept my XP install/partition intact and

dual boots without a hitch. Right now it is downloading 298 updates

(my Ubuntu CD is about 8 months old). Over the next few days I'll see

what I can run on Ubuntu, especially music programs, CDex, Finale,

etc. I'll still use my Vista PC but use the XP/Ubuntu PC for testing

a sane transition to Linux here at home.

 

Ed S.

cern wrote:

> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam4me@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> news:fgEFj.110775$w94.39554@pd7urf2no...

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>>"On The Mental Bridge" <OnThe@bridge.com> wrote in message

>>news:%23%23A1LGVjIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>Yes, it is true that MS will replace Vista. Just the matter of when.

>>>Depends on your definition of "near future"

>>>

>>>I believe it will be sometime in 2010.

>>

>>You mean Vista is a stop gap, only 2 years....

>>

>>Oh, the people must be pissed. That is a pretty short life cycle.

>

>

> Most people and even more companies will be skipping vista

>

>

>

Not hardly...you have no idea about company software

agreements/contracts and end of support.

Vista is and will be adapted by companies.

Trust me, I know these things...LOL!

Fran

cern wrote:

> "Dick Hurtz" <cio@utopoiaplanitia.us> wrote in message

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>>

>>"Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message

>>news:13ue3948jvsrg8c@news.supernews.com...

>>

>>>"on the Bridge" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

>>>news:47e708b8$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>

>>>>yes, if you mean if a new version will out.

>>>>

>>>>2010 is the schedule

>>>>current name is windows7

>>>>

>>>>both name and date may change

>>>

>>>Well, yeah - we all know how accurate Microsoft's release date schedules

>>>are! Even if it does manage to come out in 2010 (4th quarter?), it will

>>>be at least another year before SP1 comes out, and Windows releases are

>>>never seriously looked at until SP1, so that means late 2011/early 2012

>>>time frame.

>>>

>>>Of course, then we will be seeing the predictable "Why is Windows 7 such

>>>a pig/slow/incompatible? Vista is so lean and mean and fast and runs

>>>everything! Now is the time to switch to Linux! Microsoft's days are

>>>numbered!" posts here. Just like we saw with the 3.1 to 95 transition,

>>>the NT 4 to 2000 transition, the 98/2000 to XP transition and the current

>>>XP to Vista transition.

>>>

>>>Some things never change.

>>

>>You are so right. The same whiners who castigate Vista today will be

>>signing "save Vista" petitions in 2010 or 2011.

>

>

> Most people who don't like Vista

> disliked windows ME, but liked every other incarnation of windows.

 

Really? Says who?

>

> I see that as fair judgment. They dislike bad versions, but like good

> versions.

>

Vista is not a "bad" version. It's new an different. Some people have a

problem with "new & Different?.

> You are generalizing without a basis, calling people whiners while you are

> whining about people with valid opinions.

 

Like you?

Frank

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"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote in message

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> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam4me@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> news:fgEFj.110775$w94.39554@pd7urf2no...

>>

>> "On The Mental Bridge" <OnThe@bridge.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23%23A1LGVjIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Yes, it is true that MS will replace Vista. Just the matter of when.

>>> Depends on your definition of "near future"

>>>

>>> I believe it will be sometime in 2010.

>>

>> You mean Vista is a stop gap, only 2 years....

>

> You have a point. XP lasted 5 years, if I recall correctly, and 2000

> lasted 3 years.

>

> Windows 7 may not be all that different from Vista, though. When we

> consider the frequency of changes we also have to ask how much change is

> happening.

 

Vista looks like XP redressed with new bugs, hardly not what was expected

after 6 years of development. And 2 years is too short, business will skip

Vista for sure.

"Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote in message

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> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam4me@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> news:7qEFj.110779$w94.95984@pd7urf2no...

>>

>> <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:e7dwGQVjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> edspyhill01@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>>>

>>> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue

>>> Support 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users With

>>> The Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service Pack

>>> One Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>>

>> Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not

>> doubt in 2009 any active development ceases. After that is it likely

>> security fixes only.

>>

>> So, which Linux? Lots to choose from.

>>

>> OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>>

>> Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>

> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

 

I am not waiting to 2010....or 11.

"Canuck57" <dave-no.spam4me@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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> "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote in message

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>>

>> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam4me@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>> news:7qEFj.110779$w94.95984@pd7urf2no...

>>>

>>> <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:e7dwGQVjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> edspyhill01@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>>>>

>>>> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue

>>>> Support 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users With

>>>> The Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service Pack

>>>> One Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>>>

>>> Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not

>>> doubt in 2009 any active development ceases. After that is it likely

>>> security fixes only.

>>>

>>> So, which Linux? Lots to choose from.

>>>

>>> OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>>>

>>> Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>>

>> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

>

> I am not waiting to 2010....or 11.

 

You're not waiting for 2010 or 11? Where do you think Vista is going? That

is a home user statement. Vista is going to be here and will be used for a

long time to come. I used Linux and will use Linux again, and it's just

another $hittacular O/S just like all the other O/S(s) used by mankind.

On Mar 24, 9:19 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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> > "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote in message

> >news:%23O1KA2VjIHA.5968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

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> >> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> >>news:7qEFj.110779$w94.95984@pd7urf2no...

>

> >>> <kevpan...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:e7dwGQVjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >>>> edspyhil...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >>>>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

> >>>> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue

> >>>> Support 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users With

> >>>> The Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service Pack

> >>>> One Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>

> >>> Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not

> >>> doubt in 2009 any active development ceases.  After that is it likely

> >>> security fixes only.

>

> >>> So, which Linux?  Lots to choose from.

>

> >>> OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>

> >>> Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>

> >> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

>

> > I am not waiting to 2010....or 11.

>

> You're not waiting for 2010 or 11? Where do you think Vista is going? That

> is a home user statement. Vista is going to be here and will be used for a

> long time to come. I used Linux and will use Linux again,  and it's just

> another $hittacular O/S just like all the other O/S(s) used by mankind.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

I see a big difference with vendor support of Vista compared to XP.

Vendors are not putting as much effort making older hardware

completely compatible, and I'm thinking HP Laserjet printers 2 years

old. Microsoft creates comsumer items we call OS. At least Linux is

stable. Linux and Unix are not comsumer items that are repackaged

every few years to produce big profits. The Linux we use today is the

same Linux I used in 1996 except for security and operation upgrades.

Can't say the same about any MS OS.

 

Ed S.

<edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Mar 24, 9:19 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

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> > "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote in message

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> >> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> >>news:7qEFj.110779$w94.95984@pd7urf2no...

>

> >>> <kevpan...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:e7dwGQVjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >>>> edspyhil...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >>>>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

> >>>> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue

> >>>> Support 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users

> >>>> With

> >>>> The Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service

> >>>> Pack

> >>>> One Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>

> >>> Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not

> >>> doubt in 2009 any active development ceases. After that is it likely

> >>> security fixes only.

>

> >>> So, which Linux? Lots to choose from.

>

> >>> OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>

> >>> Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>

> >> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

>

> > I am not waiting to 2010....or 11.

>

> You're not waiting for 2010 or 11? Where do you think Vista is going? That

> is a home user statement. Vista is going to be here and will be used for a

> long time to come. I used Linux and will use Linux again, and it's just

> another $hittacular O/S just like all the other O/S(s) used by mankind.-

> Hide quoted text -

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> - Show quoted text -

 

I see a big difference with vendor support of Vista compared to XP.

Vendors are not putting as much effort making older hardware

completely compatible, and I'm thinking HP Laserjet printers 2 years

old. Microsoft creates comsumer items we call OS. At least Linux is

stable. Linux and Unix are not comsumer items that are repackaged

every few years to produce big profits. The Linux we use today is the

same Linux I used in 1996 except for security and operation upgrades.

Can't say the same about any MS OS.

 

 

Software vendors are not going to go backwards to make old equipment work,

and that's a fact and the nature of the software development beast.

 

Please, don't pretend that you can tell me about any O/S or about M$ period.

M$ is in the business of making money, and they have employees that must put

food on the table and pay bills etc, etc, like I work in the business of

making money and doing the same thing. I have been in IT since 1971, and I

know what the deal is with O/S(s), I have used many an O/S over the years,

and Linux is just another $hittacular O/S(s) no more and no less.

 

You want to make Linux more than just another $hittacular O/S, then that's

on you, because I know better. I know what features Vista has under the hood

from a programmer's stand point that makes Vista a viable solution in the

business and home user sectors.

 

It's MS's tune and their dance and don't kid yourself about who is on top

and it's not going to change in your lifetime.

 

Please do not drag this out because your points are moot to me sitting up in

a MS NG trying to talk to me about this.

<edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

 

 

No! :)

 

Vista replaces 98se, which was supported until the summer before Vista was

released. The next version of Windows will replace XP, and Vista will

continue to be supported for another couple of years, or more, just as XP is

now.

 

Microsoft continues to support two desktop versions at a time, plus at least

two server/client versions for businesses. Most people refuse to accept this

idea, though.

>> Windows 7 may not be all that different from Vista, though. When we

>> consider the frequency of changes we also have to ask how much change is

>> happening.

>

> Vista looks like XP redressed with new bugs, hardly not what was expected

> after 6 years of development. And 2 years is too short, business will

> skip Vista for sure.

 

OK, this is a quiz. Explain the significance of each of the following

features in the architecture of an operating system:

 

(1) Prioritization of i/o operations (vs. prioritization only of CPU

operations).

 

(2) Delayed startup (post-login) processes.

 

(3) Assigning privileges by process rather than by user (like UNIX "sudo").

 

If you don't know what any of these are, you don't know what Windows Vista

is, either.

> I see a big difference with vendor support of Vista compared to XP.

> Vendors are not putting as much effort making older hardware

> completely compatible, and I'm thinking HP Laserjet printers 2 years

> old. Microsoft creates comsumer items we call OS. At least Linux is

> stable. Linux and Unix are not comsumer items that are repackaged

> every few years to produce big profits. The Linux we use today is the

> same Linux I used in 1996 except for security and operation upgrades.

> Can't say the same about any MS OS.

 

I do think vendors should be putting more effort into supporting older

hardware...

 

....but I don't think all progress in operating system design stopped some

time before 1996. I'm a 50-year-old computer science professor, and I spend

an amazing amount of time trying to get 25-year-olds to move into the

future!

..> I see a big difference with vendor support of Vista compared to XP.

..> Vendors are not putting as much effort making older hardware

..> completely compatible, and I'm thinking HP Laserjet printers 2 years

..> old. Microsoft creates comsumer items we call OS. At least Linux is

..> stable. Linux and Unix are not comsumer items that are repackaged

..> every few years to produce big profits. The Linux we use today is the

..> same Linux I used in 1996 except for security and operation upgrades.

..> Can't say the same about any MS OS.

>

> Software vendors are not going to go backwards to make old equipment work,

> and that's a fact and the nature of the software development beast.

 

In fact I've heard this before. The raison d'etre of Windows 95-98-ME was

compatibility with DOS device drivers, for old DOS hardware and games.

Windows 95-98-ME were unreliable (the last of them the worst) and I think

everybody now agrees that Windows NT-2000-XP is a considerably better

product line. But it won't run your DOS games from 1983! And running games

from 1983 is why we buy personal computers, isn't it? (Not!)

On Mar 24, 10:15 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:350564d8-3c09-447d-8ad3-eabb689e0544@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 24, 9:19 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>

> >news:tZMFj.113253$pM4.3130@pd7urf1no...

>

> > > "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote in message

> > >news:%23O1KA2VjIHA.5968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

> > >> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> > >>news:7qEFj.110779$w94.95984@pd7urf2no...

>

> > >>> <kevpan...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > >>>news:e7dwGQVjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > >>>> edspyhil...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > >>>>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

> > >>>> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue

> > >>>> Support 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users

> > >>>> With

> > >>>> The Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service

> > >>>> Pack

> > >>>> One Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>

> > >>> Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not

> > >>> doubt in 2009 any active development ceases. After that is it likely

> > >>> security fixes only.

>

> > >>> So, which Linux? Lots to choose from.

>

> > >>> OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>

> > >>> Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>

> > >> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

>

> > > I am not waiting to 2010....or 11.

>

> > You're not waiting for 2010 or 11? Where do you think Vista is going? That

> > is a home user statement. Vista is going to be here and will be used for a

> > long time to come. I used Linux and will use Linux again, and it's just

> > another $hittacular O/S just like all the other O/S(s) used by mankind.-

> > Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> I see a big difference with vendor support of Vista compared to XP.

> Vendors are not putting as much effort making older hardware

> completely compatible, and I'm thinking HP Laserjet printers 2 years

> old.  Microsoft creates comsumer items we call OS.  At least Linux is

> stable.  Linux and Unix are not comsumer items that are repackaged

> every few years to produce big profits.  The Linux we use today is the

> same Linux I used in 1996 except for security and operation upgrades.

> Can't say the same about any MS OS.

>

> Software vendors are not going to go backwards to make old equipment work,

> and that's a fact and the nature of the software development beast.

>

> Please, don't pretend that you can tell me about any O/S or about M$ period.

> M$ is in the business of making money, and they have employees that must put

> food on the table and pay bills etc, etc, like I work in the business of

> making money and doing the same thing. I have been in IT since 1971, and I

> know what the deal is with O/S(s),  I have used many an O/S over the years,

> and Linux is just another $hittacular O/S(s) no more and no less.

>

> You want to make Linux more than just another $hittacular O/S, then that's

> on you, because I know better. I know what features Vista has under the hood

> from a programmer's stand point that makes Vista a viable solution in the

> business and home user sectors.

>

> It's MS's tune and their dance and don't kid yourself about who is on top

> and it's not going to change in your lifetime.

>

> Please do not drag this out because your points are moot to me sitting up in

> a MS NG trying to talk to me about this.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Well, excuse me mr. os guru unfettered capitalist... Who says go

backwards? And why should I not expect the same level of hardware

support from MS that I get from Unix/Linux?

 

If I can't get answers to my very small problems then the OS is crap.

edspyhill01@yahoo.com wrote:

> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

 

Not until all the Franks of the world have bought it up the wing wang

and then they'll release another dog for Frank to go hunting with.

 

Alias

"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote in message

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>>> Windows 7 may not be all that different from Vista, though. When we

>>> consider the frequency of changes we also have to ask how much change is

>>> happening.

>>

>> Vista looks like XP redressed with new bugs, hardly not what was expected

>> after 6 years of development. And 2 years is too short, business will

>> skip Vista for sure.

>

> OK, this is a quiz. Explain the significance of each of the following

> features in the architecture of an operating system:

>

> (1) Prioritization of i/o operations (vs. prioritization only of CPU

> operations).

>

> (2) Delayed startup (post-login) processes.

>

> (3) Assigning privileges by process rather than by user (like UNIX

> "sudo").

>

> If you don't know what any of these are, you don't know what Windows Vista

> is, either.

 

Don't need too. XP and others are better at all of the above. But here is

a go:

 

1) I/O is generally interrupt or DMA driven. DMA being more efficient on

processor. The processor sets up DMA, when the data stream flows it goes

straight to memory not needing to in/out of the CPU. Efficient for disk and

network.

 

2) Delayed startup, nothing new here, Or are you talking boot process?

 

3) UNIX has been assigning privileges by process for one very long time. MS

Windows is now sort of doing it by access to API no process, and that is the

expensive on overhead way to do it.

 

So I guess I know what Vista isn't.

On Mar 24, 10:40 am, "Michael A. Covington"

<l...@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

> >> Windows 7 may not be all that different from Vista, though.  When we

> >> consider the frequency of changes we also have to ask how much change is

> >> happening.

>

> > Vista looks like XP redressed with new bugs, hardly not what was expected

> > after 6 years of development.  And 2 years is too short, business will

> > skip Vista for sure.

>

> OK, this is a quiz.  Explain the significance of each of the following

> features in the architecture of an operating system:

>

> (1) Prioritization of i/o operations (vs. prioritization only of CPU

> operations).

>

> (2) Delayed startup (post-login) processes.

>

> (3) Assigning privileges by process rather than by user (like UNIX "sudo")..

>

> If you don't know what any of these are, you don't know what Windows Vista

> is, either.

 

That's fine, but when I can't keep a network connection up while the

XP and the Linux hosts on the same network can, the whoopty de do code

in the deepest reaches of an OS don't mean a thing.

<edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Mar 24, 10:15 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:350564d8-3c09-447d-8ad3-eabb689e0544@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 24, 9:19 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>

> >news:tZMFj.113253$pM4.3130@pd7urf1no...

>

> > > "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote in message

> > >news:%23O1KA2VjIHA.5968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

> > >> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> > >>news:7qEFj.110779$w94.95984@pd7urf2no...

>

> > >>> <kevpan...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > >>>news:e7dwGQVjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > >>>> edspyhil...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > >>>>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

> > >>>> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue

> > >>>> Support 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users

> > >>>> With

> > >>>> The Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service

> > >>>> Pack

> > >>>> One Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>

> > >>> Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not

> > >>> doubt in 2009 any active development ceases. After that is it likely

> > >>> security fixes only.

>

> > >>> So, which Linux? Lots to choose from.

>

> > >>> OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>

> > >>> Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>

> > >> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

>

> > > I am not waiting to 2010....or 11.

>

> > You're not waiting for 2010 or 11? Where do you think Vista is going?

> > That

> > is a home user statement. Vista is going to be here and will be used for

> > a

> > long time to come. I used Linux and will use Linux again, and it's just

> > another $hittacular O/S just like all the other O/S(s) used by mankind.-

> > Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> I see a big difference with vendor support of Vista compared to XP.

> Vendors are not putting as much effort making older hardware

> completely compatible, and I'm thinking HP Laserjet printers 2 years

> old. Microsoft creates comsumer items we call OS. At least Linux is

> stable. Linux and Unix are not comsumer items that are repackaged

> every few years to produce big profits. The Linux we use today is the

> same Linux I used in 1996 except for security and operation upgrades.

> Can't say the same about any MS OS.

>

> Software vendors are not going to go backwards to make old equipment work,

> and that's a fact and the nature of the software development beast.

>

> Please, don't pretend that you can tell me about any O/S or about M$

> period.

> M$ is in the business of making money, and they have employees that must

> put

> food on the table and pay bills etc, etc, like I work in the business of

> making money and doing the same thing. I have been in IT since 1971, and I

> know what the deal is with O/S(s), I have used many an O/S over the years,

> and Linux is just another $hittacular O/S(s) no more and no less.

>

> You want to make Linux more than just another $hittacular O/S, then that's

> on you, because I know better. I know what features Vista has under the

> hood

> from a programmer's stand point that makes Vista a viable solution in the

> business and home user sectors.

>

> It's MS's tune and their dance and don't kid yourself about who is on top

> and it's not going to change in your lifetime.

>

> Please do not drag this out because your points are moot to me sitting up

> in

> a MS NG trying to talk to me about this.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Well, excuse me mr. os guru unfettered capitalist... Who says go

backwards? And why should I not expect the same level of hardware

support from MS that I get from Unix/Linux?

 

--------------------------------

 

Ask me do I care about this? I don't care about it. Do you see it happening

in this case? It would make sense for them not to go backwards to force the

consumer to buy equipment that is compliant. After all, they are in the

business of making money --- capitalism. I can't help it if you got to play

the broke role. It's not my problem or my fault that you are broke.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------

 

If I can't get answers to my very small problems then the OS is crap.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------

 

It's not my problem. Should I get you some tissues for your issues? Who do

you think you are? I'll tell you who you are. You are nobody is what you

are that needs to go into whine mode.

 

All O/S(s) are $hittacular including Linux, because they are written by

fallible human beings. Linux is no bed of roses, partner -- no bed of roses.

Frank wrote:

> cern wrote:

>

>> "Dick Hurtz" <cio@utopoiaplanitia.us> wrote in message

>> news:MMGdnUYlpoK8k3ranZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@comcast.com...

>>

>>>

>>>"Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message

>>>news:13ue3948jvsrg8c@news.supernews.com...

>>>

>>>>"on the Bridge" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

>>>>news:47e708b8$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>>

>>>>>yes, if you mean if a new version will out.

>>>>>

>>>>>2010 is the schedule

>>>>>current name is windows7

>>>>>

>>>>>both name and date may change

>>>>

>>>>Well, yeah - we all know how accurate Microsoft's release date schedules

>>>>are! Even if it does manage to come out in 2010 (4th quarter?), it

>>>>will be at least another year before SP1 comes out, and Windows releases

>>>>are never seriously looked at until SP1, so that means late 2011/early

>>>>2012 time frame.

>>>>

>>>>Of course, then we will be seeing the predictable "Why is Windows 7 such

>>>>a pig/slow/incompatible? Vista is so lean and mean and fast and runs

>>>>everything! Now is the time to switch to Linux! Microsoft's days

>>>>are

>>>>numbered!" posts here. Just like we saw with the 3.1 to 95 transition,

>>>>the NT 4 to 2000 transition, the 98/2000 to XP transition and the

>>>>current XP to Vista transition.

>>>>

>>>>Some things never change.

>>>

>>>You are so right. The same whiners who castigate Vista today will be

>>>signing "save Vista" petitions in 2010 or 2011.

>>

>>

>> Most people who don't like Vista

>> disliked windows ME, but liked every other incarnation of windows.

>

> Really? Says who?

>>

>> I see that as fair judgment. They dislike bad versions, but like good

>> versions.

>>

> Vista is not a "bad" version. It's new an different. Some people have a

> problem with "new & Different?.

>

Like YOU in regards to Ubuntu?

> Frank

 

Cheers.

 

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

 

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

 

Microsoft Is Watching YOU: http://tinyurl.com/2ptclh

On Mar 24, 11:14 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> news:90724c85-e935-448c-ae67-02c43aae20ee@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Mar 24, 10:15 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>

> >news:350564d8-3c09-447d-8ad3-eabb689e0544@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> > On Mar 24, 9:19 am, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:

>

> > > "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

>

> > >news:tZMFj.113253$pM4.3130@pd7urf1no...

>

> > > > "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote in message

> > > >news:%23O1KA2VjIHA.5968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

> > > >> "Canuck57" <dave-no.spam...@unixhome.net> wrote in message

> > > >>news:7qEFj.110779$w94.95984@pd7urf2no...

>

> > > >>> <kevpan...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > >>>news:e7dwGQVjIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > > >>>> edspyhil...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > > >>>>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

> > > >>>> Not until 2010 At The Earliest, Microsoft Does Plan 2 Discontinue

> > > >>>> Support 4 Windows XP In 2009, However, Leaving Many Computer Users

> > > >>>> With

> > > >>>> The Difficult Decision Of Either Upgrading 2 Windows Vista Service

> > > >>>> Pack

> > > >>>> One Or Converting Over 2 Open Source Linux, Also Just FYI.

>

> > > >>> Being fair, MS is targeting 2011 for XP termination, but I would not

> > > >>> doubt in 2009 any active development ceases. After that is it likely

> > > >>> security fixes only.

>

> > > >>> So, which Linux? Lots to choose from.

>

> > > >>> OpenSUSE, Novel SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Debien, Ubuntu....

>

> > > >>> Loading OpenSUSE in VirtualBox right now.....

>

> > > >> May I ask what does Linux have to do with this person's question?

>

> > > > I am not waiting to 2010....or 11.

>

> > > You're not waiting for 2010 or 11? Where do you think Vista is going?

> > > That

> > > is a home user statement. Vista is going to be here and will be used for

> > > a

> > > long time to come. I used Linux and will use Linux again, and it's just

> > > another $hittacular O/S just like all the other O/S(s) used by mankind..-

> > > Hide quoted text -

>

> > > - Show quoted text -

>

> > I see a big difference with vendor support of Vista compared to XP.

> > Vendors are not putting as much effort making older hardware

> > completely compatible, and I'm thinking HP Laserjet printers 2 years

> > old. Microsoft creates comsumer items we call OS. At least Linux is

> > stable. Linux and Unix are not comsumer items that are repackaged

> > every few years to produce big profits. The Linux we use today is the

> > same Linux I used in 1996 except for security and operation upgrades.

> > Can't say the same about any MS OS.

>

> > Software vendors are not going to go backwards to make old equipment work,

> > and that's a fact and the nature of the software development beast.

>

> > Please, don't pretend that you can tell me about any O/S or about M$

> > period.

> > M$ is in the business of making money, and they have employees that must

> > put

> > food on the table and pay bills etc, etc, like I work in the business of

> > making money and doing the same thing. I have been in IT since 1971, and I

> > know what the deal is with O/S(s), I have used many an O/S over the years,

> > and Linux is just another $hittacular O/S(s) no more and no less.

>

> > You want to make Linux more than just another $hittacular O/S, then that's

> > on you, because I know better. I know what features Vista has under the

> > hood

> > from a programmer's stand point that makes Vista a viable solution in the

> > business and home user sectors.

>

> > It's MS's tune and their dance and don't kid yourself about who is on top

> > and it's not going to change in your lifetime.

>

> > Please do not drag this out because your points are moot to me sitting up

> > in

> > a MS NG trying to talk to me about this.- Hide quoted text -

>

> > - Show quoted text -

>

> Well, excuse me mr. os guru unfettered capitalist...  Who says go

> backwards?  And why should I not expect the same level of hardware

> support from MS that I get from Unix/Linux?

>

> --------------------------------

>

> Ask me do I care about this? I don't care about it. Do you see it happening

> in this case? It would make sense for them not to go backwards to force the

> consumer to buy equipment that is compliant. After all, they are in the

> business of making money --- capitalism. I can't help it if you got to play

> the broke role. It's not my problem or my fault that you are broke.

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------

>

> If I can't get answers to my very small problems then the OS is crap.

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> It's not my problem. Should I get you some tissues for your issues? Who do

> you think you are?  I'll tell you who you are. You are nobody is what you

> are that needs to go into whine mode.

>

> All O/S(s) are $hittacular including Linux, because they are written by

> fallible human beings. Linux is no bed of roses, partner -- no bed of roses.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Dweeb on a keyboard.

Alias wrote:

> edspyhill01@yahoo.com wrote:

>

>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

>

> Not until all the Franks of the world have bought it up the wing wang

> and then they'll release another dog for Frank to go hunting with.

>

> Alias

 

hehehe...jealous cause you can't afford Vista?...LOL!

Frank

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:55:45 -0400, Bob Campbell wrote:

> <edspyhill01@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:4cfcd3e2-0e93-4f31-

ae57-24aacf367aa6@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>> Is it true MS will replace Vista in the near future?

>

>

> No, not in the "near future". Of course there will be a newer version

> of Windows someday, but it is years away. Don't hold your breath!

 

And when that new version arrives, it will be EVEN BETTER than Vista!

All the hundreds of millions of people who said "Wow!" when Vista arrived

will say "WowWowWow!" when the new version arrives.

 

But you'll need dual octacore CPUs, 20gb of RAM, and 4gb of video RAM to

run this wonderful new creation... so you better start saving your money

now... because if you don't buy a brand-new computer with a brand-new OS

license every 3 years, Microsoft's shareholders might have to go to bed

hungry. And that would be tragic, wouldn't it?

 

Charlie

"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in message

news:pan.2008.03.24.15.29.15@users.easynews.com...

> And when that new version arrives, it will be EVEN BETTER than Vista!

> All the hundreds of millions of people who said "Wow!" when Vista arrived

> will say "WowWowWow!" when the new version arrives.

 

True that.

> But you'll need dual octacore CPUs, 20gb of RAM, and 4gb of video RAM to

> run this wonderful new creation...

 

Which 5 years from today will cost the same or be cheaper than today's quad

core, 4 GB RAM, 512 meg video systems (which I am running now), and be the

standard system of the day. What's your point? The 486/66 with 8 megs

RAM and 512K VLB video card and 14" CRT that I ran Windows 95 on cost me

more 15 years ago then the system I am running now!