Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

One more thing, Bob. Thank you for having the decency for answering

Alias' question by explaining your own opinion.

 

Whether I agree with you or not, I respect you for being man enough to

express and explain your opinion.

 

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

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> Bob Campbell wrote:

>

>> Windows software development. Visual Studio, SQL Server, Crystal

>> Reports, etc. Make money from said software - not "give it away and

>> charge for support". Run XP, 2000 and ME (when needed) in VPC. Use

>> familiar software that I already have - iTunes, sync my iPods, burn DVDs

>> with Nero, use Office, IE, Windows Mail, Safari, AOL IM, etc.

>

> You can sync iPods without iTunes, you can burn DVDs with Nero Linux.

>

>>

>> IOW, continue doing what I have been doing for the last 25 years. I

>> don't want to lean everything all over again in a non-standard, niche

>> platform.

>

> Non-standand? MS doesn't play be standards! They takes standards and

> piss on them, and try to force MS's idea of what standards should be on

> everyone else.

>

>> I like the mainstream. The mainstream is where the money is.

>

> Good for you.

>

>> Now, I'm sure you will say "but you can do (some/most/all) of those

>> things in Linux"! But so what? I'm ALREADY doing them! What's the

>> point of changing?

>

> If you see no point, that's good for you. However MS is doing its best

> trying to alienate the average user, and alternatives give those people

> another choice other than MS.

>

> And competition for the PC Desktop can only help you as a user of MS

> products, if you believe in capitalism. The market forces of competition

> will only serve to help keep MS on its toes, and make better and better

> software, and force them to sell it as cheaply as possible.

>

> Ya'll need to understand, that consumers benefit more when there is more

> competition in a market. And when it comes down to it, we are all

> consumers. It is in our own self-interest to help promote competition in

> the OS market.

 

Consumers benefit from competition in the market. That is true, but with

Ubuntu/Linux out there, Microsoft can compete with their hands tied behind

their backs and DOS 6.2 on the PC!!!!!!

"On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

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> oh it seems that they did add the ribbon in the final version of office

> 2008 for the mac...

>

> I have to research this further..

>

 

Oh yea, start your research. Go to the library and ask the librarian to

help you find the right books. Then take them to someone who can explain it

all to you. In about 2 years, you just might have a clue!

 

>

> "On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

> news:47e409d6@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> the office 2008 for mac doesnt have the dreaded RIBBON !!! see here

>> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/mac-office-2008-review.ars/2

>>

>>

>> MS always makes better versions of their software for macs, pehaps

>> because the mac users are more demanding for good interfaces? lol

>>

>>

>>

>> "Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

>> news:u74bB22iIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> On the Bridge! (A brain dead loser) wrote:

>>>

>>>> Most people hate the ribbon because it makes using the program slower,

>>>> more confusing and takes up too much screen space.

>>>

>>> Not really. Only for 'slow" losers like you.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>

>

"Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message

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> "On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

> news:47e409d6@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> the office 2008 for mac doesnt have the dreaded RIBBON !!! see here

>> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/mac-office-2008-review.ars/2

>

> Most Mac software is missing features of Windows software. That's why I

> spend about 90% of my time in Windows and 10% in OS X.

 

Ooops - looks like we both were wrong. Office 2008 for OS X DOES have the

ribbon, and the above review seems to like it! I'll have to break down and

install it on my OSX86 here!

 

So much for "everyone hates the ribbon"!

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

Bob Campbell wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

> message news:LZTEj.23447$89.19392@fe77.usenetserver.com...

>> Bob Campbell wrote:

>>

>>> Windows software development. Visual Studio, SQL Server, Crystal

>>> Reports, etc. Make money from said software - not "give it away and

>>> charge for support". Run XP, 2000 and ME (when needed) in VPC. Use

>>> familiar software that I already have - iTunes, sync my iPods, burn

>>> DVDs with Nero, use Office, IE, Windows Mail, Safari, AOL IM, etc.

>>

>> You can sync iPods without iTunes, you can burn DVDs with Nero Linux.

>

> Wow - 2 out of 15. Now you know why I don't need Linux.

 

Well, some of your choices of software, are a bit lame. Like IE, Mail,

AOL IM. And I'm sure there are versions of Office that will run on wine,

and you could use vmware rather than VPC. Most of which you should have

no trouble figuring out in minutes. And you could even run your Windows-

only dev tools in a virtual environment, though I'd admit that it would

be better running natively on a MS OS.

 

But see there are even linux options that are open to you, if you ever

feel the need or the want to try.

 

But you did ignore the rest of my previous post, which was much more my

point. That even you don't ever want to use a Linux distro, the very

fact that they exist and are starting to show signs of competing with MS

for the consumer PC Desktop, is good for all consumers, especially for MS

OS consumers.

 

Embracing MS's competition is in the best self-interest of all MS's OS

consumers.

 

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Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

>

> So much for "everyone hates the ribbon"!

Perhaps "many" or "millions" would be a fair statement.

"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message

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>

> "On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

> news:47e40b14$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> oh it seems that they did add the ribbon in the final version of office

>> 2008 for the mac...

>>

>> I have to research this further..

>>

>

> Oh yea, start your research. Go to the library and ask the librarian to

> help you find the right books. Then take them to someone who can explain

> it all to you. In about 2 years, you just might have a clue!

 

I have the feeling his "research" will consist of furiously looking for a

review that doesn't like the ribbon!

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

> message news:LZTEj.23447$89.19392@fe77.usenetserver.com...

>> Bob Campbell wrote:

>>

>>> Windows software development. Visual Studio, SQL Server, Crystal

>>> Reports, etc. Make money from said software - not "give it away and

>>> charge for support". Run XP, 2000 and ME (when needed) in VPC. Use

>>> familiar software that I already have - iTunes, sync my iPods, burn

>>> DVDs with Nero, use Office, IE, Windows Mail, Safari, AOL IM, etc.

>>

>> You can sync iPods without iTunes, you can burn DVDs with Nero Linux.

>>

>>

>>> IOW, continue doing what I have been doing for the last 25 years. I

>>> don't want to lean everything all over again in a non-standard, niche

>>> platform.

>>

>> Non-standand? MS doesn't play be standards! They takes standards and

>> piss on them, and try to force MS's idea of what standards should be on

>> everyone else.

>>

>>> I like the mainstream. The mainstream is where the money is.

>>

>> Good for you.

>>

>>> Now, I'm sure you will say "but you can do (some/most/all) of those

>>> things in Linux"! But so what? I'm ALREADY doing them! What's

>>> the point of changing?

>>

>> If you see no point, that's good for you. However MS is doing its best

>> trying to alienate the average user, and alternatives give those people

>> another choice other than MS.

>>

>> And competition for the PC Desktop can only help you as a user of MS

>> products, if you believe in capitalism. The market forces of

>> competition will only serve to help keep MS on its toes, and make

>> better and better software, and force them to sell it as cheaply as

>> possible.

>>

>> Ya'll need to understand, that consumers benefit more when there is

>> more competition in a market. And when it comes down to it, we are all

>> consumers. It is in our own self-interest to help promote competition

>> in the OS market.

>

> Consumers benefit from competition in the market. That is true, but

> with Ubuntu/Linux out there, Microsoft can compete with their hands tied

> behind their backs and DOS 6.2 on the PC!!!!!!

 

Well yeah, since MS was a monopoly. Linux is getting easier much closer

to that sweet spot where the average moron will have no problem using it.

 

It may take a little longer than that before it is easy enough for the

likes of you and Frankie.

 

But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in the

PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls best self-

interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to fight it.

 

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

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> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

>> message news:LZTEj.23447$89.19392@fe77.usenetserver.com...

>>> Bob Campbell wrote:

>>>

>>>> Windows software development. Visual Studio, SQL Server, Crystal

>>>> Reports, etc. Make money from said software - not "give it away and

>>>> charge for support". Run XP, 2000 and ME (when needed) in VPC. Use

>>>> familiar software that I already have - iTunes, sync my iPods, burn

>>>> DVDs with Nero, use Office, IE, Windows Mail, Safari, AOL IM, etc.

>>>

>>> You can sync iPods without iTunes, you can burn DVDs with Nero Linux.

>>>

>>>

>>>> IOW, continue doing what I have been doing for the last 25 years. I

>>>> don't want to lean everything all over again in a non-standard, niche

>>>> platform.

>>>

>>> Non-standand? MS doesn't play be standards! They takes standards and

>>> piss on them, and try to force MS's idea of what standards should be on

>>> everyone else.

>>>

>>>> I like the mainstream. The mainstream is where the money is.

>>>

>>> Good for you.

>>>

>>>> Now, I'm sure you will say "but you can do (some/most/all) of those

>>>> things in Linux"! But so what? I'm ALREADY doing them! What's

>>>> the point of changing?

>>>

>>> If you see no point, that's good for you. However MS is doing its best

>>> trying to alienate the average user, and alternatives give those people

>>> another choice other than MS.

>>>

>>> And competition for the PC Desktop can only help you as a user of MS

>>> products, if you believe in capitalism. The market forces of

>>> competition will only serve to help keep MS on its toes, and make

>>> better and better software, and force them to sell it as cheaply as

>>> possible.

>>>

>>> Ya'll need to understand, that consumers benefit more when there is

>>> more competition in a market. And when it comes down to it, we are all

>>> consumers. It is in our own self-interest to help promote competition

>>> in the OS market.

>>

>> Consumers benefit from competition in the market. That is true, but

>> with Ubuntu/Linux out there, Microsoft can compete with their hands tied

>> behind their backs and DOS 6.2 on the PC!!!!!!

>

> Well yeah, since MS was a monopoly. Linux is getting easier much closer

> to that sweet spot where the average moron will have no problem using it.

>

> It may take a little longer than that before it is easy enough for the

> likes of you and Frankie.

>

> But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in the

> PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls best self-

> interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to fight it.

>

That may be true, but Linux/Ubuntu is just a blip on the radar at MS. They

could really care less. I think they are more worried about Google and

Yahoo!

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

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> Well, some of your choices of software, are a bit lame. Like IE, Mail,

> AOL IM.

 

In your opinion. They work fine.

> And I'm sure there are versions of Office that will run on wine,

> and you could use vmware rather than VPC. Most of which you should have

> no trouble figuring out in minutes. And you could even run your Windows-

> only dev tools in a virtual environment, though I'd admit that it would

> be better running natively on a MS OS.

 

So there is no advantage to switching. I'd end up emulating everything.

Like I keep saying, Linux gives me nothing that I don't already have.

"David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message

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>

>>

>> So much for "everyone hates the ribbon"!

> Perhaps "many" or "millions" would be a fair statement.

 

 

Perhaps "some" or "thousands" would be a fair statement.

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

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> But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in the

> PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls best self-

> interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to fight it.

 

So do you "cheer on" Microsoft so Linux will improve?

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

Bob Campbell wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

> message news:toUEj.29726$KV.27117@fe39.usenetserver.com...

>> But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in

>> the PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls best

>> self- interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to fight

>> it.

>

> So do you "cheer on" Microsoft so Linux will improve?

 

To the effect that it puts pressure on Linux developers make better

distros. Yes. But Linux developers don't need that, since the main

pressure on them, in the OS market, is gaining market share, and that is

all the market force they need at the moment.

 

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I think they have a mesh of toolbar with ribbon..

 

Ill look for this later on.

 

the graphics look pretty sleek

 

 

"Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message

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> "Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message

> news:13u832d17hr164@news.supernews.com...

>> "On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

>> news:47e409d6@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> the office 2008 for mac doesnt have the dreaded RIBBON !!! see here

>>> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/mac-office-2008-review.ars/2

>>

>> Most Mac software is missing features of Windows software. That's why I

>> spend about 90% of my time in Windows and 10% in OS X.

>

> Ooops - looks like we both were wrong. Office 2008 for OS X DOES have

> the ribbon, and the above review seems to like it! I'll have to break

> down and install it on my OSX86 here!

>

> So much for "everyone hates the ribbon"!

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> That may be true, but Linux/Ubuntu is just a blip on the radar at MS.

> They could really care less.

 

And that's why they have their own Linux lab?

> I think they are more worried about Google

> and Yahoo!

 

Probably. But that's where MS's OS consumers can help bring MS's focus

back on them. MS's bread is still mainly buttered by revenue from its

client software divison. Consumers can be just as an important market

force as market competition.

 

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Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

kurttrail wrote:

> Bill Yanaire wrote:

>

>

>>That may be true, but Linux/Ubuntu is just a blip on the radar at MS.

>>They could really care less.

>

>

> And that's why they have their own Linux lab?

 

They've got a much bigger Mac lab...LOL!

>

>

>>I think they are more worried about Google

>>and Yahoo!

>

>

> Probably. But that's where MS's OS consumers can help bring MS's focus

> back on them. MS's bread is still mainly buttered by revenue from its

> client software divison. Consumers can be just as an important market

> force as market competition.

>

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

kurttrail wrote:

> Bob Campbell wrote:

>

>

>>"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

>>message news:toUEj.29726$KV.27117@fe39.usenetserver.com...

>>

>>>But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in

>>>the PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls best

>>>self- interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to fight

>>>it.

>>

>>So do you "cheer on" Microsoft so Linux will improve?

>

>

> To the effect that it puts pressure on Linux developers make better

> distros.

 

Distros is the problem. 350+ is ridiculous.

 

Yes. But Linux developers don't need that, since the main

> pressure on them, in the OS market, is gaining market share, and that is

> all the market force they need at the moment.

 

They have no real leader.

Big problem.

Frank

>

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

Bob Campbell wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

> message news:bgUEj.29725$KV.14777@fe39.usenetserver.com...

>

>> Well, some of your choices of software, are a bit lame. Like IE, Mail,

>> AOL IM.

>

> In your opinion. They work fine.

>

>> And I'm sure there are versions of Office that will run on wine, and

>> you could use vmware rather than VPC. Most of which you should have no

>> trouble figuring out in minutes. And you could even run your Windows-

>> only dev tools in a virtual environment, though I'd admit that it would

>> be better running natively on a MS OS.

>

> So there is no advantage to switching.

 

When did I say that you'd have an advantage by switching?

 

I didn't. Please try not to argue points I never made. It only makes

you look desperate.

> I'd end up emulating

> everything. Like I keep saying, Linux gives me nothing that I don't

> already have.

 

LOL! Actually Linux does give you, as a consumer of MS's OSs, something

you didn't have when MS monopolized the PC OS market. And I already

stated what it gives you, but you seem happy to wallow in your ignorance,

so have fun in your wallowing.

 

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Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

Frank wrote:

> kurttrail wrote:

>

>> Bob Campbell wrote:

>>

>>

>>>"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

>>>message news:toUEj.29726$KV.27117@fe39.usenetserver.com...

>>>

>>>>But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in

>>>>the PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls

>>>>best self- interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to

>>>>fight it.

>>>

>>>So do you "cheer on" Microsoft so Linux will improve?

>>

>>

>> To the effect that it puts pressure on Linux developers make better

>> distros.

>

> Distros is the problem. 350+ is ridiculous.

 

I agree. 350 different distros is a bit ridiculous.

>

> Yes. But Linux developers don't need that, since the main

>> pressure on them, in the OS market, is gaining market share, and that

>> is all the market force they need at the moment.

>

> They have no real leader.

> Big problem.

> Frank

 

What the hell the does that have to do with what I said. Please explain.

 

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Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

kurttrail wrote:

> Bob Campbell wrote:

>

>

>>"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

>>message news:bgUEj.29725$KV.14777@fe39.usenetserver.com...

>>

>>

>>>Well, some of your choices of software, are a bit lame. Like IE, Mail,

>>>AOL IM.

>>

>>In your opinion. They work fine.

>>

>>

>>>And I'm sure there are versions of Office that will run on wine, and

>>>you could use vmware rather than VPC. Most of which you should have no

>>>trouble figuring out in minutes. And you could even run your Windows-

>>>only dev tools in a virtual environment, though I'd admit that it would

>>>be better running natively on a MS OS.

>>

>>So there is no advantage to switching.

>

>

> When did I say that you'd have an advantage by switching?

>

> I didn't. Please try not to argue points I never made. It only makes

> you look desperate.

>

>

>>I'd end up emulating

>>everything. Like I keep saying, Linux gives me nothing that I don't

>>already have.

>

>

> LOL! Actually Linux does give you, as a consumer of MS's OSs, something

> you didn't have when MS monopolized the PC OS market. And I already

> stated what it gives you, but you seem happy to wallow in your ignorance,

> so have fun in your wallowing.

>

You're actually dumber than I remember...LOL!

Frank

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message

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> LOL! Actually Linux does give you, as a consumer of MS's OSs, something

> you didn't have when MS monopolized the PC OS market.

 

When did that happen? If MS was a true monopoly you would no be able to

get ANY software anywhere without paying MS.

> And I already

> stated what it gives you, but you seem happy to wallow in your ignorance,

> so have fun in your wallowing.

 

So let me get this straight. I should "cheer on" something that is useless

to me, so it will make the stuff that is usefull to me better?

 

Um, OK. Right. Whatever. Yay McDonald's because they will make Ruth's

Chris steakhouse better!

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows7????

 

kurttrail wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>

>>kurttrail wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Bob Campbell wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

>>>>message news:toUEj.29726$KV.27117@fe39.usenetserver.com...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in

>>>>>the PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls

>>>>>best self- interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to

>>>>>fight it.

>>>>

>>>>So do you "cheer on" Microsoft so Linux will improve?

>>>

>>>

>>>To the effect that it puts pressure on Linux developers make better

>>>distros.

>>

>>Distros is the problem. 350+ is ridiculous.

>

>

> I agree. 350 different distros is a bit ridiculous.

>

>

>> Yes. But Linux developers don't need that, since the main

>>

>>>pressure on them, in the OS market, is gaining market share, and that

>>>is all the market force they need at the moment.

>>

>>They have no real leader.

>>Big problem.

>>Frank

>

>

> What the hell the does that have to do with what I said. Please explain.

>

My statement is clear.

Frank

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Bob Campbell wrote:

> "On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

> news:47e3f438@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> You are not allowed to install mac osx on a non apple machine.. you

>> know that.. right?

>

> So? It's just against Apple's EULA, not like it's against the law or

> something.

Interesting comment considering the backlash generated in these groups

if one suggest that the ms eula isn't the law. lol

 

Besides, I bought the Family Pack OS X that has 5 licenses

> and I'm only using 2. I'm covered.

>

> If you were forced to buy an MS PC to use Office there would be riots in

> the streets. I can not be forced to buy an Apple PC to use iLife.

> Same thing. Ask IBM about forcing customers to buy hardware in order

> to get software. That worked out REAL WELL for IBM in the 60s.

 

 

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"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

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> Bobby wrote:

>

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:e1OUic3iIHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Bob Campbell wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:OYnNSR3iIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Microsoft's days are numbered. Get used to it and either learn Linux

>>>>> or buy yourself a Mac.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Yeah, like we haven't heard THAT ONE before.

>>>

>>>

>>> Yeah, pre Linux being user friendly and pre WPA/WGA/DRM. It wasn't valid

>>> then as it is now.

>>>

>>>> Numbered in the millions!

>>>

>>>

>>> Yawn, Enron had billions. Seen Texaco lately? How about Pan Am? TWA?

>>>

>>

>> We pay online to Texaco. They are part of BP.

>

> Oops!!!

> LOL

> Frank

>>

>>

>>>> Already have a Mac, and OSX86 installed on this box. Linux is

>>>> useless.

>>>

>>>

>>> No, YOU are if you can't run Ubuntu without problems. That said, if

>>> true, you're ready for the demise of Microsoft unless you're into

>>> Xboxes.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

I meant Chevron, not BP.

We have two or three local service stations. Texaco and Chevron are one

company now.

They use the Texaco name in the bills.

Re: oh no.... more bad ribbons (like office2007) to come in windows 7????

 

"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

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> kurttrail wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>

>>>kurttrail wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Bob Campbell wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in

>>>>>message news:toUEj.29726$KV.27117@fe39.usenetserver.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>But nothing you said negated the fact that any competition MS gets in

>>>>>>the PC OS market will benefit MS OS consumers, and it is in ya'lls

>>>>>>best self- interest to cheer on the competition, rather than trying to

>>>>>>fight it.

>>>>>

>>>>>So do you "cheer on" Microsoft so Linux will improve?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>To the effect that it puts pressure on Linux developers make better

>>>>distros.

>>>

>>>Distros is the problem. 350+ is ridiculous.

>>

>>

>> I agree. 350 different distros is a bit ridiculous.

>>

>>

>>> Yes. But Linux developers don't need that, since the main

>>>

>>>>pressure on them, in the OS market, is gaining market share, and that

>>>>is all the market force they need at the moment.

>>>

>>>They have no real leader.

>>>Big problem.

>>>Frank

>>

>>

>> What the hell the does that have to do with what I said. Please explain.

>>

> My statement is clear.

> Frank

 

Your statement is clear to most of us, but consider who asked!!!