"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

news:no-4DFF5A.09545717072007@news.supernews.com...

> In article <#PQAWcHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

>> Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the

>> same, tired and unfounded insults.

>

> Another Linux marketing droid who doesn't understand that this is a

> Windows group and no one gives a crap about Linux or "free software".

>

> Mike

 

 

I both agree and disagree. Alias is a Ubuntu troll who refuses to admit that

his OT, constant, day-in, day-out, posts about Ubuntu in -this- ng make him

a troll. And I -do- give a crap about nix... if a distro ever shows up that

"works" for me, I'll happily run it on one of my boxes here. Right next to

one of my Vista boxes. -) (I need to D/L and install PCLinuxOS... as I told

another poster, in another thread, I would... haven't gotten around to it

yet...)

 

Lang

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>>>>>> computer was.

>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>

>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>

>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>

>>> And "real work" being?

>>

>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>>

>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if this

>> is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready. Others, such

>> as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular systems like

>> Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers posted that linux

>> is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed linux up a long

>> time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm people who

>> advocate linux, if I have access to them.

>>

>>>>>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>>>>> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have

>>>> offered systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>>>

>>> Companies ... companies. I like it better than XP or Vista I am

>>> somebody.

>>

>> No you're not. you're still a number.. lumped in with the rest of

>> the linux advocates. You aren't making yourself unique, you're just

>> another linux advocate that doesn't understand the real business world

>> that needs to deal with the rest of the business world.

>>

>> Run Microsoft Word 2007 on your Ubuntu natively, without any API

>> emulators or virtualization and you would have a point, maybe.

>>

>>>>>> Insert your FUD here.

>>>>> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ya right. Grow up.

>>>

>>> No sense of humor, eh? I guess you've been doing too much "real work".

>>

>> You have no sense of real-world interoperability.

>>

>> I don't know what country you live in, but in the US, each

>> governmental state offices send out documents in Microsoft format to

>> regional governmental agencies, and expect a response in Microsoft

>> format. Including archives that are packed up, and distributed in a

>> self-extracting (maybe proprietary compression) files. Run the .exe

>> natively. Try it.

>

>

> So you basically claim then that without Microsoft Word 2007 the known

> universe will grind to a screeching halt.

>

> Perhaps the Government usage of Microsoft Word and related products

> explains the regular leakage of supposedly confidential info from

> Government departments

 

No, you're taking it wrong.

 

There's "You" who's running Linux, and "Them"/"They" who are running

Windows.

 

They send You a document in Microsoft format and then They expect a

Micorosoft format back from You.. That's all I'm saying.

 

IOW, I loan you $10, and receive 1000 pennies back as the loan payment.

It's not what they expected.

>> http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm

>

Charlie, you are missing the boat entirely. As I said previously, if

one person can define "work" so can I.

 

I wish to amend my original post by saying "Not All...."[2]

 

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>

>> Sending/receiving email IS NOT real work.

>

> My Senator just communicated with me using email. Wonder if he knows

> he's not really working?

>

>> Web surfing IS NOT real work

>

> I just bought some stuff for work at http://www.grainger.com, without which I

> cannot proceed with tomorrow's assignment. Their store was closed but my

> parts will be waiting for me in the morning. That's not work?

 

[2] web surfing is work. Do you visit grainger.com ONLY, never go to

ebay.com? What about google groups? Are ebay.com or google group

visits work?

>> Word processing,

>

> Have you told Stephen King he doesnt work for a living?

 

[2] word processing is work. Stephen King doesn't participate here (no

search results revealed his name)

> spreadsheets IS NOT real work.

>

> Wonder how Alan Greenspan does all that financial stuff then?

 

[2] spreadsheets is work. Alan Greenspan does a lot of work with

something, are you sure it's spreadsheets? Maybe a enterprise database

with sql queries might be doing his work.

> Creating/Editing images

>> IS NOT real work.

>

>

> So all those Pixar Disney things aren't about making money then, it's

> just for the dun of it is it?

 

[2] Creating/Editing images are work. You're providing excellent

examples, but I don't think you're in the same context as I.

>> IM IS NOT real work.

>

> It is if you are a member of congress apparently, though I am not

> surprised nobody admits to that one.

 

[2] IM is work.

> VoIP is a protocol/technology, not "work" in my eyes.

>

>

> It finds a lot of income for Vonage, and Mediacom and QWest...

 

That's a business, I don't work for them, do you? If no, then it's not

work for you. Vonage, Mediacom (who I've never heard of) and Qwest are

service providers. VoIP itself is still not something someone does.

>>> Can one easily get a virus with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.

>>

>> Note: I kept your original line intact, no changes. I made the minor

>> change of excluding 'easily' in the statements below.

>

> Of course there's malware why take out the "Easily", because when you

> look it's not so easy right?

 

You omitted some of my original post without commenting or notifying

it's omitted.

 

I took out easily because hackers won't halfway infect a system. They

do everything they can to get in and infect the system. Note that that

"do everything they can" is including code exploits in 3rd party software.

>>> Can one easily get malware with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.

>>

>> WRONG.

>>

>> Tracking cookies are considered malware. You get malware with any

>> Internet-connected machine and a WWW browser.

>

> Actually cookies aren't mentioned below...

 

The word cookies doesn't need to be mentioned. All items are covered

under "any code."

>>

>> "malware" is defined as:

>>

>> "software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without

>> the owner's informed consent" (wikipedia.com)

>> "any code, program, script, software or any instructions interpreted

>> as attacking a computer operating system (most probably a Windows

>> operating system). Malware includes spyware, trojans, viruses/virii,

>> denial of service/DoS attacks." (urbandictionary.com)

>> "Malicious computer software that interferes with normal computer

>> functions or sends personal data about the user to unauthorized

>> parties over the Internet." (dictionary.com)

>>

>> I think dictionary.com has it nailed best.

>>

>>> Is everything updated at once with Ubuntu? Yes. With Windows? No.

>

>

> You may have some leverage with this one as "Everything" is a pretty

> tall order...

 

It is, but that's how Linux distributions work.

>> Microsoft provides updates in one place for everything Microsoft

>> (Windows, Office...). But doesn't update 3rd party software such as

>> Mozilla software, or any governmental agency. Neither does BSD,

>> directly. You still obtain updates in BSD, but not through the OS's

>> own servers.

>>

>>> Does one have to constantly prove that one is not a pirate over and

>>> over again with Ubuntu? No. With Windows Vista? You betcha.

>>

>> http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/

>

> But on this you again lose miserably.

 

You don't explain. linuxgenuineadvantage.org is a joke. Much like

Windows Genuine Advantage is considered a joke.

>> You're comparing bananas to oranges (I did not want to use the

>> 'Apples[1] to Oranges' comparison).

>>

>> Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people who

>> have legally paid for a license to use it. This is an unfair

>> comparison. You should drop this immediately, permanently.

>

> Drop it because you have no answer to it? I personally (Several times

> now) have been greatly inconvenienced by this crap, and my employer, all

> of us using genuine Windows under the proper terms and conditions.

 

"no answer"? I see myself being quoted there. I did have an answer:

"Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people who

have legally paid for a license to use it."

> Nobody minds Microsoft protecting their rights at all, but this practice

> hurts and pisses off their real customers while the pirates suffer nothing.

 

I have a feeling you're making an argument to my post on this statement,

but I fail to see it. If it's simply a statement,

 

A) I expect it, as should all other software developers

B) The pirates seem to know the software better than the original

software developers. And the original software developers haven't

released the code. The original developers made a loose model work, and

allowing outside influence to affect it's result for the hackers to work

around it.

>>> Alias

>>

>> Mull this information over, Alias. You aren't entirely right.

>>

>> [1] http://www.apple.com/

>

>

> He's less wrong than you are

 

And you're taking a side of things I hadn't yet thought about. That's

the beauty of open discussion forums like this.

 

I agree, I thought very hard in composing my original post, but I missed

some point of views and other things.

 

And I still don't think I'm entirely wrong on anything.

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>

>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>> * Frank:

>>>>

>>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to

>>>>>>>>>> join religious cults.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>>>>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't

>>>>>>>>> deny they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the

>>>>>>>>> free software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for

>>>>>>>>> some time (a lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being

>>>>>>>>> an atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a

>>>>>>>>> linux candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together

>>>>>>>>> quite easily.

>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr.

>>>>>>> Ballmer in his contention that atheist & communist use and fit

>>>>>>> the linux free software ideology rather nicely.

>>>>>>> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they

>>>>>>> are atheist or communist do you?

>>>>>>> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are

>>>>>>> correct in our assessment.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Making associations like that only proves you are a looney Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> hehehe...then I'm in good company with Ballmer. I'll gladly accept

>>>>> that!

>>>>> Much better than that real nut case you open sores addicts worship,

>>>>> RS.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Frank- what is wrong with you?

>>>>

>>>> I guarantee you I am no communist, and on occasions have

>>>> been called a spoiled capitalist pig. My friend, Charlie Tame,

>>>> might have even thrown similar words at me before. But, I

>>>> do like Linux and I hope the Open Source community keeps

>>>> moving right along.

>>>>

>>>> I debated about even replying to your post.... it's really not worthy

>>>> of any comment. You're really letting your true colors show and need

>>>> to know how ignorant you've started sounding.

>>>>

>>>> I reckon you've always been like this, and expecting better from

>>>> you in your old age, is just too much for you to handle. That's a

>>>> shame.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Speaking of which, hey, that DVD worked on my older Asus and got 1024

>>> X 768 so O was pleased with that - a couple of the games wouldn't

>>> work and the ones that did were very slow frame rate which may have

>>> been due to the drive or something, no time to study. They obviously

>>> put in a lot of hard work and it looks very professional.

>>>

>>> As to this "Professional Software" kick Frank seems to be on does the

>>> really think that only Microsoft products are professionally written?

>>

>>

>> Of course not!

>> Only a penciled neck geek or a new orleans pimp would harbor such a

>> stupid thought?

>> Are you from no?

>> Frank

>

>

>

> Are you trying to suggest that everyone from New Orleans is a "Pimp" Frank?

 

Well gosh darn no charlie...is that what you're suggesting?

Frank

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:13:32 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>

>

>>Charlie Tame wrote:

>

>

>

>>>Yes, a lot of corporate job creation can be achieved by taking a simple

>>>job description and making it sound difficult :) After all "Windows"

>>>does make it easy, doesn't it?

>>

>>hahaha...only "if" you know what you're doing!

>

>

> Which Frank has confirmed he doesn't know, not even close, since it

> was our little Frankie that proudly announced to this forum it "only"

> took him and consultants six months to figure out Vista so he could

> use it in his "business". Priceless!

>

> How long did it take you to get potty trained Frankie, till your 10th

> birthday?

>

 

Damned, if you're not stinkin, slobbering, lying drunk again!

hahaha...give it up mr genius, cause for sure, it'll be you're undoing.

Frank

Tim Judd wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>>>>> computer was.

>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>> punch cards?

>>>

>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>

>>>

>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu since

>>>>> it first came out.

>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>

>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>

>> And "real work" being?

>

> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>

> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if this

> is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many people

> blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do it. Just

> understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for any mainstream

> use, and I don't ever see it being ready. Others, such as Apple, can

> take it over and remove the less popular systems like Linux. Otherwise

> on this thread, there are numbers posted that linux is about 1% internet

> market share. Apple's passed linux up a long time ago. I promote Apple

> and will physically harm people who advocate linux, if I have access to

> them.

I hope you are just full of bluster and really wouldn't physically harm

anyone just because they might advocate linux. If that indeed would be

your intent, then you do need to get help for your own sake as well as

anyone who might run afoul of you. Geez.

>

>>>>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>>>> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>>>>

>>>

>>> And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have

>>> offered systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>>

>> Companies ... companies. I like it better than XP or Vista I am somebody.

>

> No you're not. you're still a number.. lumped in with the rest of the

> linux advocates. You aren't making yourself unique, you're just another

> linux advocate that doesn't understand the real business world that

> needs to deal with the rest of the business world.

>

> Run Microsoft Word 2007 on your Ubuntu natively, without any API

> emulators or virtualization and you would have a point, maybe.

>

>>>>> Insert your FUD here.

>>>> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>>>>

>>>

>>> Ya right. Grow up.

>>

>> No sense of humor, eh? I guess you've been doing too much "real work".

>

> You have no sense of real-world interoperability.

>

> I don't know what country you live in, but in the US, each governmental

> state offices send out documents in Microsoft format to regional

> governmental agencies, and expect a response in Microsoft format.

> Including archives that are packed up, and distributed in a

> self-extracting (maybe proprietary compression) files. Run the .exe

> natively. Try it.

 

 

--

norm

norm wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>>>>>> computer was.

>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>

>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>

>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>

>>> And "real work" being?

>>

>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>>

>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if this

>> is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready. Others, such

>> as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular systems like

>> Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers posted that linux

>> is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed linux up a long

>> time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm people who

>> advocate linux, if I have access to them.

> I hope you are just full of bluster and really wouldn't physically harm

> anyone just because they might advocate linux. If that indeed would be

> your intent, then you do need to get help for your own sake as well as

> anyone who might run afoul of you. Geez.

 

well, no. I can't see myself ever doing that. But I hear linux

advocacy like fingernails on the chalkboard. Or the tree branch

scraping in the wind against the window to your bedroom as you're trying

to sleep.

>>

>>>>>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>>>>> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have

>>>> offered systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>>>

>>> Companies ... companies. I like it better than XP or Vista I am

>>> somebody.

>>

>> No you're not. you're still a number.. lumped in with the rest of

>> the linux advocates. You aren't making yourself unique, you're just

>> another linux advocate that doesn't understand the real business world

>> that needs to deal with the rest of the business world.

>>

>> Run Microsoft Word 2007 on your Ubuntu natively, without any API

>> emulators or virtualization and you would have a point, maybe.

>>

>>>>>> Insert your FUD here.

>>>>> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ya right. Grow up.

>>>

>>> No sense of humor, eh? I guess you've been doing too much "real work".

>>

>> You have no sense of real-world interoperability.

>>

>> I don't know what country you live in, but in the US, each

>> governmental state offices send out documents in Microsoft format to

>> regional governmental agencies, and expect a response in Microsoft

>> format. Including archives that are packed up, and distributed in a

>> self-extracting (maybe proprietary compression) files. Run the .exe

>> natively. Try it.

>

>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:40:59 +0100

"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote:

> Now run that past me again?

>

> Yahoo uses what?

 

http://www.ictp.trieste.it/~cfonda/sudan/OSs/references/freeBSD/Yahoo_and_FreeBSD.html

> My ISP uses what?

>

 

You will have to check that out at: http://www.netcraft.com

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:07:07 -0400

Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

 

> > If Windows is sooo damn hot, why are massive websites like yahoo and

> > many ISP's gravitating and using BSD?

> For the same reason Hotmail uses Windows? They use whatever works

> for them?

>

> Mike

 

You may want to google hotmail+FreeBSD. Microsoft made the switch due

to embarrassment and made the admission that on the server side that

FreeBSD was superior to windows.. Have a look at the url below..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/

 

Mike, You will have to admit that FreeBSD makes a better desktop than

Windows or MAC.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:09:33 -0400

"Harry" wrote:

> Interesting first time in my life I have seen someone say Hotmail

> uses Windows because it works for them. Hotmail uses Windows because

> they are hosted by Microsoft and no other reason. As for the guy

> saying everyone is gravitating to BSD for servers. Acctually their

> not these days all the big companies are going towards AIX servers.

 

Check out http://www.netcraft.com have a look at what O/S those servers are

running..

> Now for the whole start of this arguement I have ran *nix for many

> years.

 

Than you know it blows windows out of the water..

 

>There is no competition when it comes to a general market OS.

> Windows is the only option at this time for standard PC's OS X is

> nice but it still doesnt run as well as Windows does.

 

FreeBSD & Gentoo run circles around both of the O/S that you mentioned

above.

>And lastly as

> far as Vista being an ME all over you have to be nutz right. "Mike"

 

Just have look at some of the post in this group..

Tim Judd wrote:

> Charlie Tame wrote:

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what

>>>>>>> a computer was.

>>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>>

>>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>>

>>>> And "real work" being?

>>>

>>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>>>

>>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if

>>> this is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready. Others,

>>> such as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular systems

>>> like Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers posted that

>>> linux is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed linux up a

>>> long time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm people who

>>> advocate linux, if I have access to them.

>>>

>>>>>>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>>>>>> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have

>>>>> offered systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>>>>

>>>> Companies ... companies. I like it better than XP or Vista I am

>>>> somebody.

>>>

>>> No you're not. you're still a number.. lumped in with the rest of

>>> the linux advocates. You aren't making yourself unique, you're just

>>> another linux advocate that doesn't understand the real business

>>> world that needs to deal with the rest of the business world.

>>>

>>> Run Microsoft Word 2007 on your Ubuntu natively, without any API

>>> emulators or virtualization and you would have a point, maybe.

>>>

>>>>>>> Insert your FUD here.

>>>>>> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ya right. Grow up.

>>>>

>>>> No sense of humor, eh? I guess you've been doing too much "real work".

>>>

>>> You have no sense of real-world interoperability.

>>>

>>> I don't know what country you live in, but in the US, each

>>> governmental state offices send out documents in Microsoft format to

>>> regional governmental agencies, and expect a response in Microsoft

>>> format. Including archives that are packed up, and distributed in a

>>> self-extracting (maybe proprietary compression) files. Run the .exe

>>> natively. Try it.

>>

>>

>> So you basically claim then that without Microsoft Word 2007 the known

>> universe will grind to a screeching halt.

>>

>> Perhaps the Government usage of Microsoft Word and related products

>> explains the regular leakage of supposedly confidential info from

>> Government departments

>

> No, you're taking it wrong.

>

> There's "You" who's running Linux, and "Them"/"They" who are running

> Windows.

>

> They send You a document in Microsoft format and then They expect a

> Micorosoft format back from You.. That's all I'm saying.

>

> IOW, I loan you $10, and receive 1000 pennies back as the loan payment.

> It's not what they expected.

>

>>> http://www.computerbytesman.com/privacy/blair.htm

>>

 

 

That's fine, I am just playing devil's advocate in the interests of

fairness. I doubt anyone has a truly balanced view in all circumstances.

Tim Judd wrote:

> Charlie, you are missing the boat entirely. As I said previously, if

> one person can define "work" so can I.

>

> I wish to amend my original post by saying "Not All...."[2]

>

> Charlie Tame wrote:

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>

>>> Sending/receiving email IS NOT real work.

>>

>> My Senator just communicated with me using email. Wonder if he knows

>> he's not really working?

>>

>>> Web surfing IS NOT real work

>>

>> I just bought some stuff for work at http://www.grainger.com, without which I

>> cannot proceed with tomorrow's assignment. Their store was closed but

>> my parts will be waiting for me in the morning. That's not work?

>

> [2] web surfing is work. Do you visit grainger.com ONLY, never go to

> ebay.com? What about google groups? Are ebay.com or google group

> visits work?

>

>>> Word processing,

>>

>> Have you told Stephen King he doesnt work for a living?

>

> [2] word processing is work. Stephen King doesn't participate here (no

> search results revealed his name)

>

>> spreadsheets IS NOT real work.

>>

>> Wonder how Alan Greenspan does all that financial stuff then?

>

> [2] spreadsheets is work. Alan Greenspan does a lot of work with

> something, are you sure it's spreadsheets? Maybe a enterprise database

> with sql queries might be doing his work.

>

>> Creating/Editing images

>>> IS NOT real work.

>>

>>

>> So all those Pixar Disney things aren't about making money then, it's

>> just for the dun of it is it?

>

> [2] Creating/Editing images are work. You're providing excellent

> examples, but I don't think you're in the same context as I.

>

>>> IM IS NOT real work.

>>

>> It is if you are a member of congress apparently, though I am not

>> surprised nobody admits to that one.

>

> [2] IM is work.

>

>> VoIP is a protocol/technology, not "work" in my eyes.

>>

>>

>> It finds a lot of income for Vonage, and Mediacom and QWest...

>

> That's a business, I don't work for them, do you? If no, then it's not

> work for you. Vonage, Mediacom (who I've never heard of) and Qwest are

> service providers. VoIP itself is still not something someone does.

>

>>>> Can one easily get a virus with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.

>>>

>>> Note: I kept your original line intact, no changes. I made the minor

>>> change of excluding 'easily' in the statements below.

>>

>> Of course there's malware why take out the "Easily", because when you

>> look it's not so easy right?

>

> You omitted some of my original post without commenting or notifying

> it's omitted.

>

> I took out easily because hackers won't halfway infect a system. They

> do everything they can to get in and infect the system. Note that that

> "do everything they can" is including code exploits in 3rd party software.

>

>>>> Can one easily get malware with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.

>>>

>>> WRONG.

>>>

>>> Tracking cookies are considered malware. You get malware with any

>>> Internet-connected machine and a WWW browser.

>>

>> Actually cookies aren't mentioned below...

>

> The word cookies doesn't need to be mentioned. All items are covered

> under "any code."

>

>>>

>>> "malware" is defined as:

>>>

>>> "software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without

>>> the owner's informed consent" (wikipedia.com)

>>> "any code, program, script, software or any instructions interpreted

>>> as attacking a computer operating system (most probably a Windows

>>> operating system). Malware includes spyware, trojans, viruses/virii,

>>> denial of service/DoS attacks." (urbandictionary.com)

>>> "Malicious computer software that interferes with normal computer

>>> functions or sends personal data about the user to unauthorized

>>> parties over the Internet." (dictionary.com)

>>>

>>> I think dictionary.com has it nailed best.

>>>

>>>> Is everything updated at once with Ubuntu? Yes. With Windows? No.

>>

>>

>> You may have some leverage with this one as "Everything" is a pretty

>> tall order...

>

> It is, but that's how Linux distributions work.

>

>>> Microsoft provides updates in one place for everything Microsoft

>>> (Windows, Office...). But doesn't update 3rd party software such as

>>> Mozilla software, or any governmental agency. Neither does BSD,

>>> directly. You still obtain updates in BSD, but not through the OS's

>>> own servers.

>>>

>>>> Does one have to constantly prove that one is not a pirate over and

>>>> over again with Ubuntu? No. With Windows Vista? You betcha.

>>>

>>> http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/

>>

>> But on this you again lose miserably.

>

> You don't explain. linuxgenuineadvantage.org is a joke. Much like

> Windows Genuine Advantage is considered a joke.

>

>>> You're comparing bananas to oranges (I did not want to use the

>>> 'Apples[1] to Oranges' comparison).

>>>

>>> Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people

>>> who have legally paid for a license to use it. This is an unfair

>>> comparison. You should drop this immediately, permanently.

>>

>> Drop it because you have no answer to it? I personally (Several times

>> now) have been greatly inconvenienced by this crap, and my employer,

>> all of us using genuine Windows under the proper terms and conditions.

>

> "no answer"? I see myself being quoted there. I did have an answer:

> "Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people who

> have legally paid for a license to use it."

>

>> Nobody minds Microsoft protecting their rights at all, but this

>> practice hurts and pisses off their real customers while the pirates

>> suffer nothing.

>

> I have a feeling you're making an argument to my post on this statement,

> but I fail to see it. If it's simply a statement,

>

> A) I expect it, as should all other software developers

> B) The pirates seem to know the software better than the original

> software developers. And the original software developers haven't

> released the code. The original developers made a loose model work, and

> allowing outside influence to affect it's result for the hackers to work

> around it.

>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Mull this information over, Alias. You aren't entirely right.

>>>

>>> [1] http://www.apple.com/

>>

>>

>> He's less wrong than you are

>

> And you're taking a side of things I hadn't yet thought about. That's

> the beauty of open discussion forums like this.

>

> I agree, I thought very hard in composing my original post, but I missed

> some point of views and other things.

>

> And I still don't think I'm entirely wrong on anything.

 

 

Hehe, as I said above I am playing devil's advocate to some extent

because in the end we "All" have to work with each other using whatever

means are most appropriate.

Tim Judd wrote:

> norm wrote:

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what

>>>>>>> a computer was.

>>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>>

>>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>>

>>>> And "real work" being?

>>>

>>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>>>

>>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if

>>> this is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready. Others,

>>> such as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular systems

>>> like Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers posted that

>>> linux is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed linux up a

>>> long time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm people who

>>> advocate linux, if I have access to them.

>> I hope you are just full of bluster and really wouldn't physically

>> harm anyone just because they might advocate linux. If that indeed

>> would be your intent, then you do need to get help for your own sake

>> as well as anyone who might run afoul of you. Geez.

>

> well, no. I can't see myself ever doing that. But I hear linux

> advocacy like fingernails on the chalkboard. Or the tree branch

> scraping in the wind against the window to your bedroom as you're trying

> to sleep.

 

Well I think part of the reason for that is that such discussions

attract extreme views from both sides of the discussion.

 

Hmm, to try and give an example...

 

Vista was released largely bereft of drivers. I was faced with having to

buy 2 new wireless cards before I could use it, and then those cards

were incompatible with Vista 64 so I had to buy 2 more. MOST users will

have to do similar.

 

Yes the manufacturer bears some responsibility, but then why would they

invest in developing drivers until the Vista system is 100% finalized.

Remember 64 bit drivers also cost them money in terms of signing by

Verisign or whoever, and what's the point when MS might change something

at the last minute forcing a rewrite / resign.

 

Vista was released without a warning that most things probably wouldn't

work, but most things didn't work on my systems which are all within the

stated specifications for Vista.

 

These issues are VERY similar to issues often faced by anyone trying to

use Linux, but since Linux doesn't cost real money right off the bat

people are more inclined to live with it and seek help than they are to

complain and rant.

 

There are a number of things MS have done with Vista that defy

explanation. They shuffled everything around for no apparent reason so

that tasks XP users were familiar with are now scattered all over the

place. They supplied a free email client that mostly worked but then

changed it, they supplied an alternative that mostly worked but had

missing features, then, within a month or two they changed both of these

for a third client that is completely incompatible with my ISP's mail

servers and doesn't work at all. No resolution in sight or even any

apparent interest. Thunderbird was a little different than OE but I had

to learn something new so now I have a client that is the same whether I

am using a Windows system or Linux.

 

Now, MS need to stop doing this because it screws people about, I will

NEVER go back to any free Windows mail client again. It's not worth the

constant update / reinstall crap. I don't need Outlook and only

occasionally need "Office" style functionality so guess what, Open

Office costs nothing and does what I want... why on earth would I "Buy"

anything. Like Michael I was looking forward to WLMD because it was

enough like OE to save a lot of time and suited my purposes, but MS

screwed that up, not Linus Torvalds or anybody else :)

 

My employer uses Windows based servers and thin clients + some XP Pro

PCs but the software used for their main business is not Microsoft at

all, so as long as XP functions they do not need to move to Vista and

the IT department are currently saying "No F* way" !!!

 

Linux is way behind with things like P&P and video driver installs, that

kind of thing, but the incentive to improve these things is growing. I

didn't get along with Ubuntu or the KDE version, nor with PCLinuxOS, but

Debian seems very stable and I don't have to live in fear of arriving at

work each day to be greeted by "Your hardware has changed, you have 3

days to re-activate".

Tim Judd wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>>>>> computer was.

>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>> punch cards?

>>>

>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>

>>>

>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu since

>>>>> it first came out.

>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>

>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>

>> And "real work" being?

>

> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

 

Um, no it isn't. Email, web research word processing and spreadsheets

are most certainly business activities.

>

> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if this

> is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many people

> blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do it. Just

> understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for any mainstream

> use, and I don't ever see it being ready.

 

I do. I use it every day and make money doing it.

> Others, such as Apple, can

> take it over and remove the less popular systems like Linux. Otherwise

> on this thread, there are numbers posted that linux is about 1% internet

> market share. Apple's passed linux up a long time ago. I promote Apple

> and will physically harm people who advocate linux, if I have access to

> them.

 

Um, there was a time where more businesses used an IBM Selectric

typewriter than used Windows 3.1. Oops.

>

>>>>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>>>> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>>>>

>>>

>>> And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have

>>> offered systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>>

>> Companies ... companies. I like it better than XP or Vista I am somebody.

>

> No you're not. you're still a number.. lumped in with the rest of the

> linux advocates.

 

Only in your mind.

> You aren't making yourself unique, you're just another

> linux advocate that doesn't understand the real business world that

> needs to deal with the rest of the business world.

 

I deal with the real business world every day. I own two businesses.

>

> Run Microsoft Word 2007 on your Ubuntu natively, without any API

> emulators or virtualization and you would have a point, maybe.

 

The *last* thing I would do is buy Office 2007 at $1332 US Dollars when

I get what I need with Open Office and ABIWord.

>

>>>>> Insert your FUD here.

>>>> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>>>>

>>>

>>> Ya right. Grow up.

>>

>> No sense of humor, eh? I guess you've been doing too much "real work".

>

> You have no sense of real-world interoperability.

 

You have a sense of what sense I have or don't have? Has Office 2007

enabled mind reading?

>

> I don't know what country you live in,

 

Spain.

> but in the US, each governmental

> state offices send out documents in Microsoft format to regional

> governmental agencies, and expect a response in Microsoft format.

> Including archives that are packed up, and distributed in a

> self-extracting (maybe proprietary compression) files. Run the .exe

> natively. Try it.

 

I guess you've never used ABIWord and it's time that the US government

stopped supporting MS' de facto monopoly and get back to the anti trust

suit.

 

Alias

* Tim Judd:

> norm wrote:

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>>>>>>> computer was.

>>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>> And "real work" being?

>>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>>>

>>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if this

>>> is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready. Others, such

>>> as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular systems like

>>> Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers posted that linux

>>> is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed linux up a long

>>> time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm people who

>>> advocate linux, if I have access to them.

>> I hope you are just full of bluster and really wouldn't physically harm

>> anyone just because they might advocate linux. If that indeed would be

>> your intent, then you do need to get help for your own sake as well as

>> anyone who might run afoul of you. Geez.

>

> well, no. I can't see myself ever doing that. But I hear linux

> advocacy like fingernails on the chalkboard. Or the tree branch

> scraping in the wind against the window to your bedroom as you're trying

> to sleep.

 

If a piece of fukkin software disturbs you that much, you really

have some serious issues that need to addressed by a professional

and a few prescription medications.

 

 

-Michael

Mellowed wrote:

> Frank, Alias is a looser.

 

As opposed to a "tighter"?

 

Alias

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:42:07 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:

>

>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:13:32 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Charlie Tame wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>>Yes, a lot of corporate job creation can be achieved by taking a simple

>>>>job description and making it sound difficult :) After all "Windows"

>>>>does make it easy, doesn't it?

>>>

>>>hahaha...only "if" you know what you're doing!

>>

>>

>> Which Frank has confirmed he doesn't know, not even close, since it

>> was our little Frankie that proudly announced to this forum it "only"

>> took him and consultants six months to figure out Vista so he could

>> use it in his "business". Priceless!

>>

>> How long did it take you to get potty trained Frankie, till your 10th

>> birthday?

>>

>

>Damned, if you're not stinkin, slobbering, lying drunk again!

>hahaha...give it up mr genius, cause for sure, it'll be you're undoing.

>Frank

 

Same lie. How many times have you tried to push I'm I drunk, fifty

times now?

 

One thing for sure, I proved you're a idiot.

Gary wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:eBHRTCNyHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Gary wrote:

>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>> news:OxAUKeJyHHA.5276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> norm wrote:

>>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>> Give it up already Linux and Ubuntu is crap on the desktop and over

>>>>>> 98% of the world knows it.

>>>>>> Those numbers have not made any significant changes in the last 10

>>>>>> years.

>>>>>> So go play with your other Linux droids.

>>>>> Ubuntu is not crap on my desktop, so you might want to temper your urge

>>>>> to speak for everyone. The safer statement might be that the majority

>>>>> of the 98% that you speak of do not know of the linux alternative.

>>>> But when they do, bye bye Microsoft to the same place Enron went.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>> Yawn same old story. Just wait bla bla bla

>> Nero. Fiddling.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Keep dreaming your in a world of your own.

>

>

 

There was a time when IBM Selectric Typewriters were more prominent in

the business world than PCs with Windows 3.1. There was even a time when

manual typewriters outnumbered electric typewriters. MS is genuinizing

and activating itself out of business. I would predict that in two years

time, Ubuntu-like Linux distros will be FRONT PAGE NEWS. Mark my words.

 

Alias

Mike wrote:

> In article <uVHkq2UyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

>> Mike wrote:

>>> In article <e6itZkTyHHA.4640@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,

>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Head. Sand. You've never tried Ubuntu because you're biased.

>>> Head. Ass.

>>>

>>> Get over it. You're just upset because someone doesn't like your

>>> favorite OS.

>>>

>>> I *have* tried it. I just was not impressed.

>> You said you didn't. Which is it?

>

> No, I never said that. I said I couldn't *install* it in VPC. But I

> did use the Live CD for a couple of days.

>

> Learn how to read.

>

> Mike

 

Using the Live CD is not the same as installing it.

 

Alias

* Charlie Tame:

> MICHAEL wrote:

>> * Frank:

>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>> * Frank:

>>>>

>>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>>>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>>>>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>>>>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>>>>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a

>>>>>>>>> lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>>>>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>>>>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

>>>>>>> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

>>>>>>> software ideology rather nicely.

>>>>>>> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

>>>>>>> atheist or communist do you?

>>>>>>> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are

>>>>>>> correct in our assessment.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>> Making associations like that only proves you are a looney Frank

>>>>> hehehe...then I'm in good company with Ballmer. I'll gladly accept that!

>>>>> Much better than that real nut case you open sores addicts worship, RS.

>>>>> Frank

>>>> Frank- what is wrong with you?

>>>>

>>>> I guarantee you I am no communist, and on occasions have

>>>> been called a spoiled capitalist pig. My friend, Charlie Tame,

>>>> might have even thrown similar words at me before. But, I

>>>> do like Linux and I hope the Open Source community keeps

>>>> moving right along.

>>>>

>>>> I debated about even replying to your post.... it's really not worthy

>>>> of any comment. You're really letting your true colors show and need

>>>> to know how ignorant you've started sounding.

>>>>

>>>> I reckon you've always been like this, and expecting better from

>>>> you in your old age, is just too much for you to handle. That's a shame.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>> So you're finding it difficult to see an ideological connection between

>>> atheism, communism and the free software connection?

>>> Try harder...it's hiding in plain site.

>>> Frank

>> Are you serious? Who cares? A few goobers, maybe.

>>

>> Windows or Linux, it's all just fukkin software... that's it.

>>

>> Gawd dam, I reckon I can get a bit excited about tech crap

>> at times- but, some of you freaks really need to get a fukkin life.

>

> Hehe, what, and miss all this "Excitement" ???

>

> Who? Me stir the sh*t? Now, would I do a thing like that?

 

You stir with all the best intentions. -)

 

Although, it gets so think in here at times,

you'd be better off with a ladle or shovel

than a spurtle.

 

 

-Michael

* Charlie Tame:

> MICHAEL wrote:

>> * Frank:

>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a

>>>>>>> lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>>>>

>>>>> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

>>>>> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

>>>>> software ideology rather nicely.

>>>>> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

>>>>> atheist or communist do you?

>>>>> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are

>>>>> correct in our assessment.

>>>>> Frank

>>>> Making associations like that only proves you are a looney Frank

>>> hehehe...then I'm in good company with Ballmer. I'll gladly accept that!

>>> Much better than that real nut case you open sores addicts worship, RS.

>>> Frank

>> Frank- what is wrong with you?

>>

>> I guarantee you I am no communist, and on occasions have

>> been called a spoiled capitalist pig. My friend, Charlie Tame,

>> might have even thrown similar words at me before. But, I

>> do like Linux and I hope the Open Source community keeps

>> moving right along.

>>

>> I debated about even replying to your post.... it's really not worthy

>> of any comment. You're really letting your true colors show and need

>> to know how ignorant you've started sounding.

>>

>> I reckon you've always been like this, and expecting better from

>> you in your old age, is just too much for you to handle. That's a shame.

>

> Speaking of which, hey, that DVD worked on my older Asus and got 1024 X

> 768 so O was pleased with that - a couple of the games wouldn't work and

> the ones that did were very slow frame rate which may have been due to

> the drive or something, no time to study. They obviously put in a lot of

> hard work and it looks very professional.

 

See, just trust me. -)

 

Did you want to try Grandcentral? I still have a few invites left.

> As to this "Professional Software" kick Frank seems to be on does the

> really think that only Microsoft products are professionally written?

 

I'm not sure what Frank is thinking... if he is at all.

Based on recent comments of his, I no longer care.

 

 

-Michael

* Lang Murphy:

> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

> news:no-4DFF5A.09545717072007@news.supernews.com...

>> In article <#PQAWcHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>

>>> Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the

>>> same, tired and unfounded insults.

>> Another Linux marketing droid who doesn't understand that this is a

>> Windows group and no one gives a crap about Linux or "free software".

>

> I both agree and disagree. Alias is a Ubuntu troll who refuses to admit that

> his OT, constant, day-in, day-out, posts about Ubuntu in -this- ng make him

> a troll. And I -do- give a crap about nix... if a distro ever shows up that

> "works" for me, I'll happily run it on one of my boxes here. Right next to

> one of my Vista boxes. -) (I need to D/L and install PCLinuxOS... as I told

> another poster, in another thread, I would... haven't gotten around to it

> yet...)

 

You just better get busy, Mr. Murphy. -)

 

 

-Michael

* Charlie Tame:

> MICHAEL wrote:

>> * Frank:

>>> MICHAEL wrote:

>>>

>>>> * Frank:

>>>>

>>>>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>>>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>>>>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>>>>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>>>>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a

>>>>>>>>> lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>>>>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>>>>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

>>>>>>> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

>>>>>>> software ideology rather nicely.

>>>>>>> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

>>>>>>> atheist or communist do you?

>>>>>>> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are

>>>>>>> correct in our assessment.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>> Making associations like that only proves you are a looney Frank

>>>>> hehehe...then I'm in good company with Ballmer. I'll gladly accept that!

>>>>> Much better than that real nut case you open sores addicts worship, RS.

>>>>> Frank

>>>> Frank- what is wrong with you?

>>>>

>>>> I guarantee you I am no communist, and on occasions have

>>>> been called a spoiled capitalist pig. My friend, Charlie Tame,

>>>> might have even thrown similar words at me before. But, I

>>>> do like Linux and I hope the Open Source community keeps

>>>> moving right along.

>>>>

>>>> I debated about even replying to your post.... it's really not worthy

>>>> of any comment. You're really letting your true colors show and need

>>>> to know how ignorant you've started sounding.

>>>>

>>>> I reckon you've always been like this, and expecting better from

>>>> you in your old age, is just too much for you to handle. That's a shame.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> -Michael

>>> So you're finding it difficult to see an ideological connection between

>>> atheism, communism and the free software connection?

>>> Try harder...it's hiding in plain site.

>>> Frank

>> Are you serious? Who cares? A few goobers, maybe.

>>

>> Windows or Linux, it's all just fukkin software... that's it.

>>

>> Gawd dam, I reckon I can get a bit excited about tech crap

>> at times- but, some of you freaks really need to get a fukkin life.

>

> Hehe, what, and miss all this "Excitement" ???

>

> Who? Me stir the sh*t? Now, would I do a thing like that?

 

You stir with all the best intentions. -)

 

Although, it gets so thick in here at times,

you'd be better off with a ladle or shovel

than a spurtle.

 

 

-Michael

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:39:02 -0600

Tim Judd <tjudd01@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Test User wrote:

> <SNIP>

>

> > Mike, You will have to admit that FreeBSD makes a better desktop

> > than Windows or MAC.

>

> Voicing your opinions on this thread is becoming very regular. So

> here I go.

>

> I enjoy Apple's OS X -- everything about it. But between Mac and

> FreeBSD, it's a tossup on the desktop, I think they're both excellent

> choices.

 

I'm certainly not going to knock OS X its a very stable and secure O/S,

I do however prefer FreeBSD to OS-X (I like free software -) I've got

over 17,000 programs to choose from, not to mention you can install

Xorg and build the system that YOU WANT, not these pre-bundled bloated

Linux systems link OpenSuse and Ubuntu just to name a few..

 

> Much better than Windows and Linux, IMO.

 

 

Gentoo is an okay O/S, and I do have run run a few linux apps on BSD

mainly it's just Linux-Opera due to lack of a native flash-plugin.

Tim Judd wrote:

> I promote Apple and will physically harm people who advocate linux,

if > I have access to them.

 

Charming. Do you put this on your curriculum vitae? What other groups

will you physically harm if you have access to them?

 

Alias