Frank wrote:

> Gary wrote:

>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>> news:emowydJyHHA.5276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Gary wrote:

>>>

>>>> Give it up already Linux and Ubuntu is crap on the desktop and over

>>>> 98% of the world knows it.

>>>

>>> False and false.

>>>

>>>

>>>> Those numbers have not made any significant changes in the last 10

>>>> years.

>>>

>>> False.

>>>

>>>

>>>> So go play with your other Linux droids.

>>>

>>> The inevitable insult from someone jealous because he paid an arm and

>>> a leg for Vista only to find out that Ubuntu is better and free. Too

>>> bad, baby. Or should I say Hasta La Vista, Baby?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>>

>>

>> Didn't cost me a dime. And Ubuntu is still crap for anyone who does

>> real work.

>>

>

>

> Truer words were never spoken! :-)

> Frank

 

Course neither of you dare to say what "real work" is and can only

snootily sneer at Open Source. Jealousy usually works that way.

 

Alias

xfile wrote:

> Alias,

>

> You use race, religion, and women as examples and you expect mature people

> will seriously take your words either in here or in real life?

 

What is it about my examples that you don't understand?

>

> And months ago, I told you that I tried to install Ubuntu twice with two

> fresh burned DVD's but it wouldn't work and I even copied the error codes in

> here and none of you guys ever knew how to solve it. If it was Windows, I'd

> say it's a crap, but unfortunately, it's not a problem for it. Some people

> have been using the same standards for everything, and that's something you

> never learned.

>

> Call me stupid or something even worse because I don't know how to install

> Ubuntu and I won't care. But guess what, you can spend all you life doing

> the negative campaign here and it will go nowhere and none but you are

> suffering.

>

> You have a good day.

 

I am having a good day. It appears you aren't, though.

 

Alias

>

>

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:efl$ikIyHHA.4824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> xfile wrote:

>>> Well, say whatever you wish but you should know that you and your friends

>>> are doing a "negative" campaign here. I don't remember when was the last

>>> time that a negative campaign actually worked.

>>>

>>> But I offer you and your friends an opportunity. The following is a

>>> comment By WALTER S. MOSSBERG, Wall Street Journal, April 26, 2007.

>>>

>>> Q: You often mention the Macintosh as an alternative to Windows, why

>>> don't

>>> you recommend the Linux operating system?

>>>

>>> A: I aim my columns at mainstream users doing typical tasks who have

>>> little

>>> or no technical knowledge, no help from experts, and no appetite for

>>> becoming techies. These folks want the computer to do things for them.

>>> They

>>> don't want to have to do much, if any, configuring of, or maintaining of,

>>> their computers. They have no patience for geeky procedures. For

>>> instance,

>>> when they buy a peripheral device, they expect to plug it in and find

>>> that

>>> it works, often without even installing the CD from the box. I don't

>>> believe

>>> Linux is yet simple enough and automatic enough and nontechnical enough

>>> for

>>> these mainstream users. So I don't recommend it. I firmly believe that

>>> the

>>> Macintosh does meet these criteria, and so I consider it the only

>>> practical

>>> alternative to Windows for mainstream, nontechie users.

>>>

>>> His comments are viewed and taken by a large number of executives around

>>> the world and if you

>>> guys can convince him, you would have a better chance.

>>>

>>> His email address: mossberg@wsj.com

>>>

>>> So any of you are brave enough, go troll him.

>>>

>>> End of my conversation with anyone associated with Linux advocacy.

>> Obviously the man has never used Ubuntu, regardless of who he is. Devices

>> are easier with Ubuntu than Windows, much easier. *Everything* is updated

>> with the Ubuntu update, including programs such as Open Office and Fire

>> Fox. Much simpler than Windows. There are no Spybot, Ad-Aware,

>> Spywareblaster, anti virus programs, Java, Flash, etc. to daily check for

>> updates. Ubuntu is much more user friendly than Windows. Course, neither

>> you nor your copy and paste have used Ubuntu but that won't stop you from

>> snootily referring to us like the KKK refers to afro Americans.

>>

>> Alias

>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>> news:%23z1l%23bHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> xfile wrote:

>>>>>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means

>>>>>> and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How

>>>>>> much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her

>>>>>> money

>>>>>> make sex better?

>>>>> Price doesn't mean just the purchase price. Easily find support

>>>>> professionals, hardware and software compatibility issues, and

>>>>> training,

>>>>> and migration are also part of prices, and yes, they are part of

>>>>> problems

>>>>> for Vista as well, but those are also prices to be included sooner or

>>>>> later.

>>>> So far, I have paid NO money for Ubuntu and it runs great.

>>>>

>>>>> So people don't just think about purchase price and those who think

>>>>> only

>>>>> about purchase price is silly and naive, the least to say.

>>>> See above.

>>>>

>>>>> And please don't use women or wife or sex as an example.

>>>> I'll use any example my little hearts desires to use.

>>>>

>>>> But just in case

>>>>> you want to know, I do pay her with all my love to have sex with her

>>>>> and

>>>>> that's why we call it - making love.

>>>> You consider love to be money? How crass can you get?

>>>>> Yes, we have to pay one way or the other.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>>>>>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>>>>>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>>>>>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>>>>> Yes, those are problems. Guess what, many are thinking Apple not Linux

>>>>> for alternatives. Why? Vista's UI is terrible, Apple is questionable

>>>>> depending on one's previous experience, and Linux has literally no UI

>>>>> concept.

>>>> False. I use the GUI for almost everything in Ubuntu. You obviously

>>>> don't

>>>> know what you're talking about. Beryl makes Aero look like an amateur

>>>> did

>>>> it.

>>>>

>>>>> So if you must, please at least come up some real life benefits for

>>>>> switching over. All of the above are not even close to benefits.

>>>> When the person I am explaining it to is open to change, there are no

>>>> problems in their understanding. You, apparently, do have problems with

>>>> that.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>>>>>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in

>>>>>>>> Open

>>>>>>>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

>>>>>>> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are

>>>>>>> STILL given away

>>>>>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means

>>>>>> and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How

>>>>>> much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her

>>>>>> money

>>>>>> make sex better?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mike

>>>>>> False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more,

>>>>>> thanks to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement

>>>>>> of Linux for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled

>>>>>> with posts saying "I'm a newbie".

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>>>>>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>>>>>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>>>>>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>

Frank wrote:

> Mike wrote:

>

>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>> religious cults.

>>

> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's leading

> cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny they’re

> communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free software movement

> and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a lot of communist use

> linux). I don't know if being an atheist/communist is some kind of uber

> qualifier for being a linux candidate, but the philosophies do seem to

> mess together quite easily.

> Frank

 

 

LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

 

--

Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

 

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):

"They hacked the Microsoft website to make it think a linux box was a

windows box. Thats called hacking. People who do hacking are called

hackers."

 

"Only religious fanatics and totalitarian states equate morality with

legality."

- Linus Torvalds

The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>> Mike wrote:

>>

>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>> religious cults.

>>>

>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free software

>> movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a lot of

>> communist use linux). I don't know if being an atheist/communist is

>> some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux candidate, but the

>> philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>> Frank

>

>

> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>

 

I think Frank *is* Steve Ballmer.

 

Alias

norm wrote:

> Gary wrote:

>> Give it up already Linux and Ubuntu is crap on the desktop and over

>> 98% of the world knows it.

>> Those numbers have not made any significant changes in the last 10 years.

>> So go play with your other Linux droids.

>

> Ubuntu is not crap on my desktop, so you might want to temper your urge

> to speak for everyone. The safer statement might be that the majority of

> the 98% that you speak of do not know of the linux alternative.

<SNIP>

 

But it has the color right.

 

Nice, warm brown color of fresh crap just squeezed out.

 

 

And really, M$ only has about 90% of the Internet community. 3.3%ish

for Linux, 3.8%ish for Apple, and the rest is 'Other'. (trying to find

source as we speak.. seen two sources, and don't have them bookmarked)

 

And Apple's Boot Camp technology on the Intel macs let you run any x86

operating system on your Apple hardware. So now you buy one physical

box and can run OS X, Windows, BSD, Linux, Solaris ...you name the rest.

 

(End of Transmission)

In article <uQ70n3NyHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

Tim Judd <tjudd01@hotmail.com> wrote:

> And really, M$ only has about 90% of the Internet community. 3.3%ish

> for Linux, 3.8%ish for Apple, and the rest is 'Other'. (trying to find

> source as we speak.. seen two sources, and don't have them bookmarked)

 

That Linux number is way high. It's actually below 1%. See

 

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

 

and

 

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/June/os.php

 

and

 

http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/zeitgeist-jun04.html

 

The last one is old, but is the latest numbers that Google published.

Gives a nice historical perspective for the non-growth of Linux desktops.

 

Of course, the Linux Loonies will deny these numbers. They always do.

Cue Alias and the Ubuntu marketing department.

 

Funny how no one else does. Mac users, Windows users, everyone agrees

these numbers are pretty accurate.

> And Apple's Boot Camp technology on the Intel macs let you run any x86

> operating system on your Apple hardware. So now you buy one physical

> box and can run OS X, Windows, BSD, Linux, Solaris ...you name the rest.

 

Just like *any* PC. I'm running OS X on an IBM ThinkPad T41.

 

Mike

The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Mike wrote:

>>

>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>> religious cults.

>>>

>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free software

>> movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a lot of

>> communist use linux). I don't know if being an atheist/communist is

>> some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux candidate, but the

>> philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>> Frank

>

>

>

> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>

It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

software ideology rather nicely.

You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

atheist or communist do you?

Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are correct

in our assessment.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Mike wrote:

>>>

>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>> religious cults.

>>>>

>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free software

>>> movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a lot of

>>> communist use linux). I don't know if being an atheist/communist is

>>> some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux candidate, but the

>>> philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>>

>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>

>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>

>

> I think Frank *is* Steve Ballmer.

>

> Alias

 

I will consider that as a real compliment!

Thank you.

Frank

Mike wrote:

> In article <uQ70n3NyHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> Tim Judd <tjudd01@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>> And really, M$ only has about 90% of the Internet community. 3.3%ish

>> for Linux, 3.8%ish for Apple, and the rest is 'Other'. (trying to find

>> source as we speak.. seen two sources, and don't have them bookmarked)

>

> That Linux number is way high. It's actually below 1%. See

>

> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

>

> and

>

> http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/June/os.php

>

> and

>

> http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/zeitgeist-jun04.html

>

> The last one is old, but is the latest numbers that Google published.

> Gives a nice historical perspective for the non-growth of Linux desktops.

>

> Of course, the Linux Loonies will deny these numbers. They always do.

> Cue Alias and the Ubuntu marketing department.

>

> Funny how no one else does. Mac users, Windows users, everyone agrees

> these numbers are pretty accurate.

>

>> And Apple's Boot Camp technology on the Intel macs let you run any x86

>> operating system on your Apple hardware. So now you buy one physical

>> box and can run OS X, Windows, BSD, Linux, Solaris ...you name the rest.

>

> Just like *any* PC. I'm running OS X on an IBM ThinkPad T41.

>

> Mike

 

You misunderstand. As a Windows user for many years, I thought I would

never use Linux. I thought it would be too much command line and terms I

really don't want to learn and would involve a lot of work and I believe

that's the way Linux was for many years and, hence, the general opinion

that Linux is for geeks. Once I installed it, I realized that my

preconceptions were false and found it fairly easy to install and use.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>

>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a

>>>> lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>

>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>

>>

>> I think Frank *is* Steve Ballmer.

>>

>> Alias

>

> I will consider that as a real compliment!

> Thank you.

> Frank

 

Figures.

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Mike wrote:

>>>

>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>> religious cults.

>>>>

>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free software

>>> movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a lot of

>>> communist use linux). I don't know if being an atheist/communist is

>>> some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux candidate, but the

>>> philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>>

>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>

>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>

> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

> software ideology rather nicely.

> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

> atheist or communist do you?

> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are correct

> in our assessment.

> Frank

 

Geez, Frank. Have you no shame? Of all the people you could identify

with and you choose him? )

 

--

norm

Frank wrote:

> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Mike wrote:

>>>

>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>> religious cults.

>>>>

>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free software

>>> movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a lot of

>>> communist use linux). I don't know if being an atheist/communist is

>>> some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux candidate, but the

>>> philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>>

>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>

>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>

> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

> software ideology rather nicely.

> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

> atheist or communist do you?

> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are correct

> in our assessment.

> Frank

 

I vote democratic and don't believe in a god. I do believe in cause and

effect. Do you?

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Gary wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>> news:emowydJyHHA.5276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Give it up already Linux and Ubuntu is crap on the desktop and over

>>>>> 98% of the world knows it.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> False and false.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Those numbers have not made any significant changes in the last 10

>>>>> years.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> False.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> So go play with your other Linux droids.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The inevitable insult from someone jealous because he paid an arm

>>>> and a leg for Vista only to find out that Ubuntu is better and free.

>>>> Too bad, baby. Or should I say Hasta La Vista, Baby?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>

>>> Didn't cost me a dime. And Ubuntu is still crap for anyone who does

>>> real work.

>>>

>>

>>

>> Truer words were never spoken! :-)

>> Frank

>

>

> Course neither of you dare to say what "real work" is and can only

> snootily sneer at Open Source. Jealousy usually works that way.

>

> Alias

 

There is a reality that you linux lovers are simply not willing or are

unable to accept and that is that linux is not a main stream business os

capable of running most "real world" productive software. And please,

don't tell me about wine or emulators. We've been thru diatribe with you

guys many times before and nothing, absolutely nothing, has changed. You

still can't run most major software applications on linux...period! The

software applications most business need and use on a daily basis will

not run on linux. Linux has some applications that are "almost" similar,

but "almost" won't cut it in the "real" business world.

Sorry!

You may think in your mind that is will but in the "real" world (a place

you don't seem to be a part of) it really doesn't run the type of

software most (90+ %) of all business need to run in order to be productive.

 

Now you may insert your snide, irrelevant reply that makes you feel good

because it doesn't change a darn thing and deep inside you know it doesn't.

Frank

norm wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>

>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a

>>>> lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>

>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>

>> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

>> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

>> software ideology rather nicely.

>> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

>> atheist or communist do you?

>> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are

>> correct in our assessment.

>> Frank

>

>

> Geez, Frank. Have you no shame? Of all the people you could identify

> with and you choose him? )

>

 

Geez, norm, I'm only agreeing with his assessment.

Which is so far correct.

Is that a problem?

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>

>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a

>>>> lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>

>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>

>> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

>> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

>> software ideology rather nicely.

>> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

>> atheist or communist do you?

>> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are

>> correct in our assessment.

>> Frank

>

>

> I vote democratic and don't believe in a god. I do believe in cause and

> effect. Do you?

>

> Alias

 

heheh...sure and which party in spain do you align yourself with?

Frank

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>> computer was.

>

> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember punch

> cards?

 

Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108 systems

with punch card readers.

Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

 

>

>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu since it

>> first came out.

>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>

> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of piracy,

> play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

 

Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>

>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>

> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>

 

And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have offered

systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>> Insert your FUD here.

>

> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>

 

Ya right. Grow up.

In article <urGnAKOyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

> > Of course, the Linux Loonies will deny these numbers. They always do.

> > Cue Alias and the Ubuntu marketing department.

> You misunderstand.

 

There he is, right on schedule! At least he didn't try to deny the

numbers.

> As a Windows user for many years, I thought I would

> never use Linux. I thought it would be too much command line and terms I

> really don't want to learn and would involve a lot of work and I believe

> that's the way Linux was for many years and, hence, the general opinion

> that Linux is for geeks. Once I installed it, I realized that my

> preconceptions were false and found it fairly easy to install and use.

 

No, it just means you became a geek.

 

BTW, that is *not* meant as an insult. I consider myself a geek also.

Anyone who actually installs OSes - as opposed to just getting one with

a computer and having no idea what an "OS" is - is a geek.

 

I've got Vista and 2 OS X versions on this computer, XP and OS X on

another, and Vista, XP and OS X on a third - with OS/2, BeOS and Windows

Server 2003 in VPC 2007 running under Vista. Plus a "real Mac" with a

Power PC G4 CPU running OS X and - for when I want to laugh at a

*really* primitive OS - MacOS 9.2.2. Pure geekdom!

 

However, Linux still does not appeal to me. I simply have no use for

it. I've had various Red Hat distros installed in VPC, but I never

really did anything with them. Basically just looked at them and said

"Meh. Big deal". I've tried installing "Ubuntu" in VPC but it

doesn't work.

 

Mike

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

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> Gary wrote:

>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>> news:OxAUKeJyHHA.5276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> norm wrote:

>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>> Give it up already Linux and Ubuntu is crap on the desktop and over

>>>>> 98% of the world knows it.

>>>>> Those numbers have not made any significant changes in the last 10

>>>>> years.

>>>>> So go play with your other Linux droids.

>>>> Ubuntu is not crap on my desktop, so you might want to temper your urge

>>>> to speak for everyone. The safer statement might be that the majority

>>>> of the 98% that you speak of do not know of the linux alternative.

>>> But when they do, bye bye Microsoft to the same place Enron went.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Yawn same old story. Just wait bla bla bla

>

> Nero. Fiddling.

>

> Alias

 

Keep dreaming your in a world of your own.

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

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> Mike wrote:

>> In article <uQ70n3NyHHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

>> Tim Judd <tjudd01@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> And really, M$ only has about 90% of the Internet community. 3.3%ish

>>> for Linux, 3.8%ish for Apple, and the rest is 'Other'. (trying to find

>>> source as we speak.. seen two sources, and don't have them bookmarked)

>>

>> That Linux number is way high. It's actually below 1%. See

>>

>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2

>>

>> and

>>

>> http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/June/os.php

>>

>> and

>>

>> http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/zeitgeist-jun04.html

>>

>> The last one is old, but is the latest numbers that Google published.

>> Gives a nice historical perspective for the non-growth of Linux desktops.

>>

>> Of course, the Linux Loonies will deny these numbers. They always do.

>> Cue Alias and the Ubuntu marketing department. Funny how no one else

>> does. Mac users, Windows users, everyone agrees these numbers are

>> pretty accurate.

>>> And Apple's Boot Camp technology on the Intel macs let you run any x86

>>> operating system on your Apple hardware. So now you buy one physical

>>> box and can run OS X, Windows, BSD, Linux, Solaris ...you name the rest.

>>

>> Just like *any* PC. I'm running OS X on an IBM ThinkPad T41.

>>

>> Mike

>

> You misunderstand. As a Windows user for many years, I thought I would

> never use Linux. I thought it would be too much command line and terms I

> really don't want to learn and would involve a lot of work and I believe

> that's the way Linux was for many years and, hence, the general opinion

> that Linux is for geeks. Once I installed it, I realized that my

> preconceptions were false and found it fairly easy to install and use.

>

> Alias

 

Wow how nice for you.

No go play with your toy and leave the real work to MS.

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

news:OKfGADNyHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Gary wrote:

>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>> news:emowydJyHHA.5276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Gary wrote:

>>>> Give it up already Linux and Ubuntu is crap on the desktop and over 98%

>>>> of the world knows it.

>>> False and false.

>>>

>>>> Those numbers have not made any significant changes in the last 10

>>>> years.

>>> False.

>>>

>>>> So go play with your other Linux droids.

>>> The inevitable insult from someone jealous because he paid an arm and a

>>> leg for Vista only to find out that Ubuntu is better and free. Too bad,

>>> baby. Or should I say Hasta La Vista, Baby?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Didn't cost me a dime. And Ubuntu is still crap for anyone who does real

>> work.

>

> False (again).

>

> Alias

 

Really? prove it.

Frank wrote:

> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Mike wrote:

>>>

>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>> religious cults.

>>>>

>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free software

>>> movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time (a lot of

>>> communist use linux). I don't know if being an atheist/communist is

>>> some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux candidate, but the

>>> philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>>

>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>

>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>

> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer in

> his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

> software ideology rather nicely.

> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

> atheist or communist do you?

> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are correct

> in our assessment.

> Frank

 

 

Making associations like that only proves you are a looney Frank

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>>

>>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time

>>>>> (a lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>>

>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>>

>>>

>>> I think Frank *is* Steve Ballmer.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> I will consider that as a real compliment!

>> Thank you.

>> Frank

>

> Figures.

>

> Alias

 

> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Gary wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>>> news:emowydJyHHA.5276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Give it up already Linux and Ubuntu is crap on the desktop and

>>>>>> over 98% of the world knows it.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> False and false.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Those numbers have not made any significant changes in the last 10

>>>>>> years.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> False.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> So go play with your other Linux droids.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The inevitable insult from someone jealous because he paid an arm

>>>>> and a leg for Vista only to find out that Ubuntu is better and

>>>>> free. Too bad, baby. Or should I say Hasta La Vista, Baby?

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Didn't cost me a dime. And Ubuntu is still crap for anyone who does

>>>> real work.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Truer words were never spoken! :-)

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Course neither of you dare to say what "real work" is and can only

>> snootily sneer at Open Source. Jealousy usually works that way.

>>

>> Alias

>

> There is a reality that you linux lovers are simply not willing or are

> unable to accept and that is that linux is not a main stream business os

> capable of running most "real world" productive software. And please,

> don't tell me about wine or emulators. We've been thru diatribe with you

> guys many times before and nothing, absolutely nothing, has changed. You

> still can't run most major software applications on linux...period! The

> software applications most business need and use on a daily basis will

> not run on linux. Linux has some applications that are "almost" similar,

> but "almost" won't cut it in the "real" business world.

> Sorry!

> You may think in your mind that is will but in the "real" world (a place

> you don't seem to be a part of) it really doesn't run the type of

> software most (90+ %) of all business need to run in order to be

> productive.

>

> Now you may insert your snide, irrelevant reply that makes you feel good

> because it doesn't change a darn thing and deep inside you know it doesn't.

> Frank

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

Actually Frank we feel sorry for you, anyone with such delusions

deserves sympathy rather than ridicule, however being an unsympathetic

kinda person I shall repeat my assertion that you are in fact a looney.

Mike wrote:

> In article <urGnAKOyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

>>> Of course, the Linux Loonies will deny these numbers. They always do.

>>> Cue Alias and the Ubuntu marketing department.

>

>> You misunderstand.

>

> There he is, right on schedule! At least he didn't try to deny the

> numbers.

>

>> As a Windows user for many years, I thought I would

>> never use Linux. I thought it would be too much command line and terms I

>> really don't want to learn and would involve a lot of work and I believe

>> that's the way Linux was for many years and, hence, the general opinion

>> that Linux is for geeks. Once I installed it, I realized that my

>> preconceptions were false and found it fairly easy to install and use.

>

> No, it just means you became a geek.

>

> BTW, that is *not* meant as an insult. I consider myself a geek also.

> Anyone who actually installs OSes - as opposed to just getting one with

> a computer and having no idea what an "OS" is - is a geek.

>

> I've got Vista and 2 OS X versions on this computer, XP and OS X on

> another, and Vista, XP and OS X on a third - with OS/2, BeOS and Windows

> Server 2003 in VPC 2007 running under Vista. Plus a "real Mac" with a

> Power PC G4 CPU running OS X and - for when I want to laugh at a

> *really* primitive OS - MacOS 9.2.2. Pure geekdom!

>

> However, Linux still does not appeal to me. I simply have no use for

> it. I've had various Red Hat distros installed in VPC, but I never

> really did anything with them. Basically just looked at them and said

> "Meh. Big deal". I've tried installing "Ubuntu" in VPC but it

> doesn't work.

>

> Mike

 

 

Bit too hard for a novice maybe eh?

Frank wrote:

> norm wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to join

>>>>>> religious cults.

>>>>>>

>>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't deny

>>>>> they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the free

>>>>> software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for some time

>>>>> (a lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being an

>>>>> atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a linux

>>>>> candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together quite easily.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>>

>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>>

>>> It was intentional, seeing as how I kind of paraphrased Mr. Ballmer

>>> in his contention that atheist & communist use and fit the linux free

>>> software ideology rather nicely.

>>> You don't see our main linux trolls vehemently denying that they are

>>> atheist or communist do you?

>>> Which in effect proves that SB and me (kind of rhymes, huh?) are

>>> correct in our assessment.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Geez, Frank. Have you no shame? Of all the people you could identify

>> with and you choose him? )

>>

>

> Geez, norm, I'm only agreeing with his assessment.

> Which is so far correct.

> Is that a problem?

> Frank

>

So far, i've only seen that you and ballmer think it is correct. Haven't

heard from anyone else on the subject. ) And I am not so sure that the

comparison he made has any real substance other than his assessment that

"free" equates to communism. I quote:

Ballmer wanted "to emphasise the competitive threat, and in some senses

the competitive opportunity, that Linux represents. Linux is a tough

competitor. There's no company called Linux, there's barely a Linux road

map. Yet Linux sort of springs organically from the earth. And it had,

you know, the characteristics of communism that people love so very,

very much about it. That is, it's free."

If anything, the statement gives short shrift to both communism and

linux. YMMV, and probably will. lol

 

--

norm