The WTF Starts Now

July 26, 200717 yr

* Frank:

> What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The

> taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample it

> the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown to

> dark brown.

> But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.

> Got it?

> Frank

http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/gallery/screenshots/windows.mspx

-Michael

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July 26, 200717 yr

MICHAEL wrote:

> * Frank:

>> What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The

>> taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample it

>> the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown to

>> dark brown.

>> But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.

>> Got it?

>> Frank

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/gallery/screenshots/windows.mspx

>

> -Michael

It's attractive but not as attractive as Beryl. I did like the Chess

Game screen shot. That is better looking than what comes with Ubuntu.

Not only does Vista have black, it has many shades of black. Not that

the black doesn't look cool :-)

Alias

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July 26, 200717 yr

On a computer screen there is no such thing as shades of black. Shades of

gray but not black. Black on a computer screen is the total lack of R,G,B or

0,0,0

We are not mixing paint here but light.

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> MICHAEL wrote:

>> * Frank:

>>> What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The

>>> taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample it

>>> the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown to

>>> dark brown.

>>> But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.

>>> Got it?

>>> Frank

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/gallery/screenshots/windows.mspx

>>

>> -Michael

>

> It's attractive but not as attractive as Beryl. I did like the Chess Game

> screen shot. That is better looking than what comes with Ubuntu. Not only

> does Vista have black, it has many shades of black. Not that the black

> doesn't look cool :-)

>

> Alias

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July 26, 200717 yr

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:39:46 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> norm wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the

>>>>>>> crap it is.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black. Black

>>>>>> crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not crap.

>>>>>> You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an old

>>>>>> woman, have to cling to the past.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color, and

>>>> not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that vista

>>>> has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to define the

>>>> color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and there is no doubt

>>>> all of you will do so). lol

>>>>

>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"

>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to

>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.

>>> Frank

>>

>> Yet, you can't tell us what color it is and continually dodge the question.

>>

>> Alias

>

>Wise up alias. You're really and truly starting to make a real ass out

>of yourself. The jpg you posted has a taskbar that, in my eyes goes from

>light reddish brown to dark brown. Your pal adam never mentioned that

>the taskbar is fountain filled and depending on where you color sample

>it you'll always get a different reading ever time.

>But nowhere in the fill do I get a black RGB 0,0,0 reading.

>Frank

I see Frankie is well into his back pedaling mode. The trouble with

loudmouths like you is you throw out statements, they get proven

wrong, then you try to pretend you never said what you said. You

claimed in this thread that the Vista GUI can't produce black. I

showed you how it can depending on how you set your desktop settings.

Did you respond to that? No, you simply ignore it because you know I

proved you wrong instead you just continue on with your blathering.

You claimed your monitor is calibrated and suggested if anyone else

doesn't get the same exact reading of RGB 100,0,0 on the sample image

Alias linked to they are an idiot. You typical respond to everyone

that disagrees with the crap that comes out of your mouth daily. Now

you are back pedaling on that too saying correctly it depends WHERE

you click on the sample.

I guess you are just too technically ignorant to address the other

technical points I made about gamma variations depending on platform

which also effect how colors are perceived.

You being you, always having a hard on to try to make fun of

everything Alias says you tried to make a big deal out of him making a

passing reference to how the color schemes look in Vista compared to

Linux. That's all he was doing.

On purpose you deliberately took what he said out of context and tried

to make his comments more than what they were then you went into some

tirade about color values knowing Alias is likely looking at the image

from the Linux operating system, a DIFFERENT color space and not from

Vista, none the less you try to beat him over the head with the

differences because that's your typical response. Spread lies or

half-truths or just build endless strawmen or make fallacies.

In short you have NO class Frankie. You hide is the bushes and just

blindly keep throw rocks at every one that passes by if in your

undeveloped little mind you think are against Vista. You really get

pissed when someone like me takes you to task and exposes you as the

three dollar phony you are because without trying I can ALWAYS pick

apart the crap you say and exposes you as the fool you are.

Sorry, but you needed a reality check.

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July 26, 200717 yr

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:41:38 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> norm wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> norm wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the

>>>>>>>>> crap it is.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black.

>>>>>>>> Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not

>>>>>>>> crap. You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an

>>>>>>>> old woman, have to cling to the past.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.

>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>

>>>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color,

>>>>>> and not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that

>>>>>> vista has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to

>>>>>> define the color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and

>>>>>> there is no doubt all of you will do so). lol

>>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"

>>>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to

>>>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> I see. So you don't ever refer to any color in the language of the

>>>> common man? You can't enjoy the lovely blue sky that might be over

>>>> head on a nice day when you are not concentrating on being "in the

>>>> biz"? Well, do enjoy the wonderful world of "numbers" you see about

>>>> you. In the meantime, I will get back to enjoying the wonderful world

>>>> of colors that most people DO see.

>>>

>>> Numbers take the subjectivity and guess work out of color files as

>>> they go from one shop to another and then to the printer. They're not

>>> always perfectly correct and sign off color checks are still done with

>>> your eyes, but outputs are always numbered. It facilitates color

>>> corrections by making them easier and they mark a reference point so

>>> you know where you moved from and can always go back exactly to where

>>> you started. It's not a perfect science by any means as batch colors

>>> can vary slightly from batch to batch and so can paper.

>>> Colors in numbers are universal.

>>> It is the language of the printers.

>>> And of course we all refer to reds, blues, greens, yellows, etc.,

>>> that's never going to disappear.

>>> We only use CRT's for out putting final files. We have two high end

>>> Sony's located in a north facing room with natural lighting. We

>>> re-calibrated each monitor once a month. We try and keep everything

>>> the same so our output files will not be a surprise to us. We don't

>>> use LCD as of yet because they only display 6 bit color and not 8 bit.

>>> They use anti-aliasing to "fool" the eyes into thinking you're seeing

>>> 8 bit color. We expect that to change in the near future as LCD

>>> technology advances.

>>> That's the biz!

>>> Frank

>>>

>>

>> Now that you're hopefully done bragging, can you tell us what color it

>> is in layman's terms?

>>

>> Alias, not holding his breath

>

>Bragging! What's that all about alias? I've been in this business since

>'78. That I known what I'm doing is not considered bragging by any standard.

>I have no idea what you're holding your breath about?

>Frank

You want me to give what you said a technical critique and point out

all the things wrong with what you claimed?

Make my day punk. Say yes!

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July 26, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> MICHAEL wrote:

>

>> * Frank:

>>

>>> What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The

>>> taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample

>>> it the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown

>>> to dark brown.

>>> But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.

>>> Got it?

>>> Frank

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/gallery/screenshots/windows.mspx

>>

>> -Michael

>

> It's attractive but not as attractive as Beryl. I did like the Chess

> Game screen shot. That is better looking than what comes with Ubuntu.

> Not only does Vista have black, it has many shades of black. Not that

> the black doesn't look cool :-)

>

> Alias

The sample .jpg you posted as a reference contains no black...none...period.

Sorry.

Frank

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July 26, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> norm wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> norm wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like

>>>>>>>>>> the crap it is.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black.

>>>>>>>>> Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's

>>>>>>>>> not crap. You just can't see that the times are changing and,

>>>>>>>>> like an old woman, have to cling to the past.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color,

>>>>>>> and not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty

>>>>>>> that vista has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries

>>>>>>> to define the color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and

>>>>>>> there is no doubt all of you will do so). lol

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"

>>>>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to

>>>>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>> I see. So you don't ever refer to any color in the language of the

>>>>> common man? You can't enjoy the lovely blue sky that might be over

>>>>> head on a nice day when you are not concentrating on being "in the

>>>>> biz"? Well, do enjoy the wonderful world of "numbers" you see about

>>>>> you. In the meantime, I will get back to enjoying the wonderful

>>>>> world of colors that most people DO see.

>>>>

>>>> Numbers take the subjectivity and guess work out of color files as

>>>> they go from one shop to another and then to the printer. They're

>>>> not always perfectly correct and sign off color checks are still

>>>> done with your eyes, but outputs are always numbered. It facilitates

>>>> color corrections by making them easier and they mark a reference

>>>> point so you know where you moved from and can always go back

>>>> exactly to where you started. It's not a perfect science by any

>>>> means as batch colors can vary slightly from batch to batch and so

>>>> can paper.

>>>> Colors in numbers are universal.

>>>> It is the language of the printers.

>>>> And of course we all refer to reds, blues, greens, yellows, etc.,

>>>> that's never going to disappear.

>>>> We only use CRT's for out putting final files. We have two high end

>>>> Sony's located in a north facing room with natural lighting. We

>>>> re-calibrated each monitor once a month. We try and keep everything

>>>> the same so our output files will not be a surprise to us. We don't

>>>> use LCD as of yet because they only display 6 bit color and not 8

>>>> bit. They use anti-aliasing to "fool" the eyes into thinking you're

>>>> seeing 8 bit color. We expect that to change in the near future as

>>>> LCD technology advances.

>>>> That's the biz!

>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>

>>> Now that you're hopefully done bragging, can you tell us what color

>>> it is in layman's terms?

>>>

>>> Alias, not holding his breath

>>

>> Bragging! What's that all about alias? I've been in this business

>> since '78. That I known what I'm doing is not considered bragging by

>> any standard.

>> I have no idea what you're holding your breath about?

>> Frank

>

> The fact that you're too stupid to be able to tell us what color you see

> when you look at your task bar.

>

> Alias

hehehe...can't deal with truth can you? What happens when someone

confronts you face to face with a truth you don't like? You throw a

childish fit?

Now, you're calling me stupid cause you can't accept the fact that the

color of the taskbar in the .jpg you referenced is not black as I've

told you many times?

Oops...who's the real stupid one?

Time for you to grow up alias.

Frank

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July 26, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> norm wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the

>>>>>>>> crap it is.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black.

>>>>>>> Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not

>>>>>>> crap. You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an

>>>>>>> old woman, have to cling to the past.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color,

>>>>> and not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that

>>>>> vista has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to

>>>>> define the color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and

>>>>> there is no doubt all of you will do so). lol

>>>>>

>>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"

>>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to

>>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> Yet, you can't tell us what color it is and continually dodge the

>>> question.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Wise up alias. You're really and truly starting to make a real ass out

>> of yourself. The jpg you posted has a taskbar that, in my eyes goes

>> from light reddish brown to dark brown. Your pal adam never mentioned

>> that the taskbar is fountain filled and depending on where you color

>> sample it you'll always get a different reading ever time.

>> But nowhere in the fill do I get a black RGB 0,0,0 reading.

>> Frank

>

> Still looks black to me, although if you hover the mouse over an open

> program, it turns blue.

>

> So, the original post was complaining about Ubuntu being brown and now

> you're saying that Vista's task bar is dark brown?

>

> Giggle.

>

> Alias

hahaha...it's any color you want to make it. But let's not change the

subject.

The taskbar in the .jpg you posted contains no black.

Giggle....

Frank

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July 26, 200717 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message

>>>> news:ucgKG8dzHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:OQLEp64yHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The

>>>>>>>>> WTF Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come

>>>>>>>>> to the realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my

>>>>>>>>> hardware is supported, however, most of the applications I

>>>>>>>>> require on a day to day basis would not run (or install). I've

>>>>>>>>> been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations and

>>>>>>>>> it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are

>>>>>>>>> who actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the

>>>>>>>>> use if there is a ton of software that just wont function.

>>>>>>>>> Frustrating.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What a waste of bandwidth... not the orignal post, but the

>>>>>>>> unbelievable amount of personal attacks that followed.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What a waste...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You can thank Frank for that.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>> As if you're not party to the nature of these threads. Funny!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lang

>>>>>

>>>>> Can you count? Frank jumps on each and every one of my posts. He

>>>>> does the same with Adam.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> C'mon... that's no answer... the question remains you don't

>>>> consider yourself party to the nature of these threads? I see you

>>>> and Frank going back and forth for tens of posts following this

>>>> one... so you're saying Frank's to blame for your OT posts in this

>>>> ng? Uh... no?

>>>>

>>>> Lang

>>>

>>> Yes, I am a party to these threads but not as much as Frank is. How

>>> come you're not jumping on Frank?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> You just do get it do you? You have the audacity to come into this

>> Vista ng and do nothing but slam MS and Vista, which you don't have

>> then openly promote linux and wonder why people don't like or respect

>> you?

>> Are you that crass and clueless?

>> I guess so, huh. As you have been asked and told not to do it yet you

>> have no respect at all for others or the fact that your promoting

>> another os in this ng is not, repeat is not, acceptable.

>> But you simple don't care. Talk about not having any class at all.

>> You're the prime example pal.

>> Frank

>

> YAWN. http://www.ubuntu.com/, better than Vista or XP.

>

> Alias

You just proved my point.

Clueless and classless.

You get what you deserve.

Live with it.