Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Helping frustrated Vista users by suggesting an alternative

>>>>>>>>>>> that they have probably never heard of is not trolling. It's

>>>>>>>>>>> a *genuine* and viable suggestion.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> That's a rationalization you make on a daily basis and only

>>>>>>>>>> you believe.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Your biased and ill informed opinion.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Which basically means you make a fool out of yourself every

>>>>>>>>>> time you post your trolling diatribe.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Your biased and ill informed opinion.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> IOW, you're an idiot and you can't stop yourself from proving

>>>>>>>>>> it every single day.

>>>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Your biased and ill informed opinion.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Can't face the truth can you?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your biased and ill informed opinion.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> We all know that.

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your biased and ill informed opinion

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You just proved my point!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> No, I didn't.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks...lol.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> For what, showing you up as a lying fool who can only hurl insults

>>>>> and lies?

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> hehehe...thanks again for once more proving my point!

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Polly want a cracker?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Help yourself pal...seeing as how you're the parrot...hahaha...lol!

>> Frank

>

>

> I was asking you, you moron, not myself. You're the one that repeats the

> same thing over and over again ad nauseum.

>

> Alias

 

 

nah...that's your act...and I must say...you're the very best at doing it!

Frank

Frank wrote:

> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> The poster formerly known as Nina Di Boy wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Or some drivel like that. Frankly, I...don't have time to

>>>>>>>>> join religious cults.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Which is strange (well maybe not) because a couple of unbuntu's

>>>>>>>> leading cheerleaders in this ng are admitted atheist and don't

>>>>>>>> deny they’re communist which seems to fit in nicely with the

>>>>>>>> free software movement and echoes what SB of MS has said for

>>>>>>>> some time (a lot of communist use linux). I don't know if being

>>>>>>>> an atheist/communist is some kind of uber qualifier for being a

>>>>>>>> linux candidate, but the philosophies do seem to mess together

>>>>>>>> quite easily.

>>>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> LOL! Do you realize how much you sound like Steve Ballmer?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/07/31/ms_ballmer_linux_is_communism/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think Frank *is* Steve Ballmer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I will consider that as a real compliment!

>>>>> Thank you.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Oh come on now Frank, you must at least be a better dancer than him!

>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4860483760049380308

>>>> )

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Oh, I don't about that.

>>> He's pretty good...at what he does! :-)

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Well, to each their own... opinion, and dance style! )

>>

>> So ya know, that position for foreign diplomat to China is still open...

>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/04/ballmer_for_mccain_administration/

>>

>>

>

> Interesting...although I seriously doubt McCain will have any say in

> that matter.

> Frank

 

True. McCain made the offer, but Ballmer never went for it.

 

--

Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

 

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):

"They hacked the Microsoft website to make it think a linux box was a

windows box. Thats called hacking. People who do hacking are called

hackers."

 

"Only religious fanatics and totalitarian states equate morality with

legality."

- Linus Torvalds

MICHAEL wrote:

>

> * Tim Judd:

>> norm wrote:

>>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>>>>>>>> computer was.

>>>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>>> And "real work" being?

>>>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>>>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>>>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>>>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>>>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>>>>

>>>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if this

>>>> is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>>>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>>>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>>>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready. Others, such

>>>> as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular systems like

>>>> Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers posted that linux

>>>> is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed linux up a long

>>>> time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm people who

>>>> advocate linux, if I have access to them.

>>> I hope you are just full of bluster and really wouldn't physically harm

>>> anyone just because they might advocate linux. If that indeed would be

>>> your intent, then you do need to get help for your own sake as well as

>>> anyone who might run afoul of you. Geez.

>> well, no. I can't see myself ever doing that. But I hear linux

>> advocacy like fingernails on the chalkboard. Or the tree branch

>> scraping in the wind against the window to your bedroom as you're trying

>> to sleep.

>

> If a piece of fukkin software disturbs you that much, you really

> have some serious issues that need to addressed by a professional

> and a few prescription medications.

>

>

> -Michael

 

No, I don't do prescription drugs, I only take a rare sleeping pill and

a pain killer that are available over-the-counter.

 

And I'm not paying some quack to help me with "a problem" I don't have.

That's what America is coming to, drug everyone up, so everyone is

trying to cope with everyone else. No thank you. I'll save my money

and use it elsewhere.

 

It's part of life that people get cancer, aids, or get disturbed by

'fukkin software' or anything else! Quit trying to medicate yourself

(and advising others to medicate themselves) so it's "OK".

 

I hate linux now, and will always hate linux at least as long as there

are OTHER operating systems to use.

Alias wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>

> > I promote Apple and will physically harm people who advocate linux,

> if > I have access to them.

>

> Charming. Do you put this on your curriculum vitae? What other groups

> will you physically harm if you have access to them?

>

> Alias

 

What is a curriculum vitae? and there is no other group I would harm.

you're just fanning the flame when you advocate linux.

Alias wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what a

>>>>>> computer was.

>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>

>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>

>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>

>>> And "real work" being?

>>

>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>

> Um, no it isn't. Email, web research word processing and spreadsheets

> are most certainly business activities.

 

But not entirely, and I was thinking of you promoting linux for use at

work, which means all tasks currently done on windows at work, must be

available to be done on linux at work. Including the executables from

others.

>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if this

>> is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready.

>

> I do. I use it every day and make money doing it.

 

And I make money when I use Windows. Why change? Support groups like

this get things working.

>> Others, such as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular

>> systems like Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers

>> posted that linux is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed

>> linux up a long time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm

>> people who advocate linux, if I have access to them.

>

> Um, there was a time where more businesses used an IBM Selectric

> typewriter than used Windows 3.1. Oops.

 

Hello! get in the 21st century, or is Spain still living in the 1980s?

>>>>>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>>>>> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have

>>>> offered systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>>>

>>> Companies ... companies. I like it better than XP or Vista I am

>>> somebody.

>>

>> No you're not. you're still a number.. lumped in with the rest of

>> the linux advocates.

>

> Only in your mind.

 

You advocacy just makes you another number. Only in your mind you're not.

>> You aren't making yourself unique, you're just another linux advocate

>> that doesn't understand the real business world that needs to deal

>> with the rest of the business world.

>

> I deal with the real business world every day. I own two businesses.

 

Bah.. I can say I own a dozen companies, but won't post URLs. We all

use Windows. Believe me?

>> Run Microsoft Word 2007 on your Ubuntu natively, without any API

>> emulators or virtualization and you would have a point, maybe.

>

> The *last* thing I would do is buy Office 2007 at $1332 US Dollars when

> I get what I need with Open Office and ABIWord.

 

I've used both Open Office and ABIWord. I haven't used Word 2007 (I

didn't say buy the Office suite, I said MS Word 2007).

>>>>>> Insert your FUD here.

>>>>> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Ya right. Grow up.

>>>

>>> No sense of humor, eh? I guess you've been doing too much "real work".

>>

>> You have no sense of real-world interoperability.

>

> You have a sense of what sense I have or don't have? Has Office 2007

> enabled mind reading?

 

Your first question doesn't make sense.

 

Office 2007 may not have enabled mind reading, but neither has

OpenOffice or ABIWord.

>> I don't know what country you live in,

>

> Spain.

 

Thanks, a thing or two is now in more perspective.

>> but in the US, each governmental state offices send out documents in

>> Microsoft format to regional governmental agencies, and expect a

>> response in Microsoft format. Including archives that are packed up,

>> and distributed in a self-extracting (maybe proprietary compression)

>> files. Run the .exe natively. Try it.

>

> I guess you've never used ABIWord and it's time that the US government

> stopped supporting MS' de facto monopoly and get back to the anti trust

> suit.

 

It /IS/ time large government organizations move away from proprietary

formats and binaries. But you would have to be larger than the US

Government, offer services equal or better than what Microsoft is

offering, and make a serious campaign to get everyone in US Government

(local offices, State, and National) to agree uniformly that what you're

offering is better than what Microsoft has to offer.

 

That's how I see the change as remotely going to happen, if it's going

to change at all. We're probably talking billions of US dollars if not

more to get that initiative underway.

> Alias

 

I do want to thank you for at least taking the time and rationally

talking this out. If nothing else, it's a different Point of View I see

from you and it makes me respect you more. You're still a linux

advocate in my mind right now though.

 

Tim

Gary wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:%23j42KggyHHA.3772@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> There was a time when IBM Selectric Typewriters were more prominent in the

>> business world than PCs with Windows 3.1. There was even a time when

>> manual typewriters outnumbered electric typewriters. MS is genuinizing and

>> activating itself out of business. I would predict that in two years time,

>> Ubuntu-like Linux distros will be FRONT PAGE NEWS. Mark my words.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Yawn heard that two years ago, and two years before that, and two years

> before that.

> Your living in a dream world.

>

>

 

Hear hear. If anything - I see Apple taking over Microsoft's own

ex-customers, not Linux. Numbers don't lie. These numbers, might I add

were coming from people's bank accounts/credit cards -- that's a statement.

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>> Charlie, you are missing the boat entirely. As I said previously, if

>> one person can define "work" so can I.

>>

>> I wish to amend my original post by saying "Not All...."[2]

>>

>> Charlie Tame wrote:

>>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>>

>>>> Sending/receiving email IS NOT real work.

>>>

>>> My Senator just communicated with me using email. Wonder if he knows

>>> he's not really working?

>>>

>>>> Web surfing IS NOT real work

>>>

>>> I just bought some stuff for work at http://www.grainger.com, without which

>>> I cannot proceed with tomorrow's assignment. Their store was closed

>>> but my parts will be waiting for me in the morning. That's not work?

>>

>> [2] web surfing is work. Do you visit grainger.com ONLY, never go to

>> ebay.com? What about google groups? Are ebay.com or google group

>> visits work?

>>

>>>> Word processing,

>>>

>>> Have you told Stephen King he doesnt work for a living?

>>

>> [2] word processing is work. Stephen King doesn't participate here

>> (no search results revealed his name)

>>

>>> spreadsheets IS NOT real work.

>>>

>>> Wonder how Alan Greenspan does all that financial stuff then?

>>

>> [2] spreadsheets is work. Alan Greenspan does a lot of work with

>> something, are you sure it's spreadsheets? Maybe a enterprise

>> database with sql queries might be doing his work.

>>

>>> Creating/Editing images

>>>> IS NOT real work.

>>>

>>>

>>> So all those Pixar Disney things aren't about making money then, it's

>>> just for the dun of it is it?

>>

>> [2] Creating/Editing images are work. You're providing excellent

>> examples, but I don't think you're in the same context as I.

>>

>>>> IM IS NOT real work.

>>>

>>> It is if you are a member of congress apparently, though I am not

>>> surprised nobody admits to that one.

>>

>> [2] IM is work.

>>

>>> VoIP is a protocol/technology, not "work" in my eyes.

>>>

>>>

>>> It finds a lot of income for Vonage, and Mediacom and QWest...

>>

>> That's a business, I don't work for them, do you? If no, then it's

>> not work for you. Vonage, Mediacom (who I've never heard of) and

>> Qwest are service providers. VoIP itself is still not something

>> someone does.

>>

>>>>> Can one easily get a virus with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.

>>>>

>>>> Note: I kept your original line intact, no changes. I made the

>>>> minor change of excluding 'easily' in the statements below.

>>>

>>> Of course there's malware why take out the "Easily", because when you

>>> look it's not so easy right?

>>

>> You omitted some of my original post without commenting or notifying

>> it's omitted.

>>

>> I took out easily because hackers won't halfway infect a system. They

>> do everything they can to get in and infect the system. Note that

>> that "do everything they can" is including code exploits in 3rd party

>> software.

>>

>>>>> Can one easily get malware with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.

>>>>

>>>> WRONG.

>>>>

>>>> Tracking cookies are considered malware. You get malware with any

>>>> Internet-connected machine and a WWW browser.

>>>

>>> Actually cookies aren't mentioned below...

>>

>> The word cookies doesn't need to be mentioned. All items are covered

>> under "any code."

>>

>>>>

>>>> "malware" is defined as:

>>>>

>>>> "software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without

>>>> the owner's informed consent" (wikipedia.com)

>>>> "any code, program, script, software or any instructions interpreted

>>>> as attacking a computer operating system (most probably a Windows

>>>> operating system). Malware includes spyware, trojans,

>>>> viruses/virii, denial of service/DoS attacks." (urbandictionary.com)

>>>> "Malicious computer software that interferes with normal computer

>>>> functions or sends personal data about the user to unauthorized

>>>> parties over the Internet." (dictionary.com)

>>>>

>>>> I think dictionary.com has it nailed best.

>>>>

>>>>> Is everything updated at once with Ubuntu? Yes. With Windows? No.

>>>

>>>

>>> You may have some leverage with this one as "Everything" is a pretty

>>> tall order...

>>

>> It is, but that's how Linux distributions work.

>>

>>>> Microsoft provides updates in one place for everything Microsoft

>>>> (Windows, Office...). But doesn't update 3rd party software such as

>>>> Mozilla software, or any governmental agency. Neither does BSD,

>>>> directly. You still obtain updates in BSD, but not through the OS's

>>>> own servers.

>>>>

>>>>> Does one have to constantly prove that one is not a pirate over and

>>>>> over again with Ubuntu? No. With Windows Vista? You betcha.

>>>>

>>>> http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/

>>>

>>> But on this you again lose miserably.

>>

>> You don't explain. linuxgenuineadvantage.org is a joke. Much like

>> Windows Genuine Advantage is considered a joke.

>>

>>>> You're comparing bananas to oranges (I did not want to use the

>>>> 'Apples[1] to Oranges' comparison).

>>>>

>>>> Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people

>>>> who have legally paid for a license to use it. This is an unfair

>>>> comparison. You should drop this immediately, permanently.

>>>

>>> Drop it because you have no answer to it? I personally (Several times

>>> now) have been greatly inconvenienced by this crap, and my employer,

>>> all of us using genuine Windows under the proper terms and conditions.

>>

>> "no answer"? I see myself being quoted there. I did have an answer:

>> "Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people

>> who have legally paid for a license to use it."

>>

>>> Nobody minds Microsoft protecting their rights at all, but this

>>> practice hurts and pisses off their real customers while the pirates

>>> suffer nothing.

>>

>> I have a feeling you're making an argument to my post on this

>> statement, but I fail to see it. If it's simply a statement,

>>

>> A) I expect it, as should all other software developers

>> B) The pirates seem to know the software better than the original

>> software developers. And the original software developers haven't

>> released the code. The original developers made a loose model work,

>> and allowing outside influence to affect it's result for the hackers

>> to work around it.

>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> Mull this information over, Alias. You aren't entirely right.

>>>>

>>>> [1] http://www.apple.com/

>>>

>>>

>>> He's less wrong than you are

>>

>> And you're taking a side of things I hadn't yet thought about. That's

>> the beauty of open discussion forums like this.

>>

>> I agree, I thought very hard in composing my original post, but I

>> missed some point of views and other things.

>>

>> And I still don't think I'm entirely wrong on anything.

>

>

> Hehe, as I said above I am playing devil's advocate to some extent

> because in the end we "All" have to work with each other using whatever

> means are most appropriate.

 

Agreed, thank you. :) Have a good weekend if we don't talk before then.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:45:22 -0600, Tim Judd <tjudd01@hotmail.com>

wrote:

>> If a piece of fukkin software disturbs you that much, you really

>> have some serious issues that need to addressed by a professional

>> and a few prescription medications.

>>

>>

>> -Michael

>

>No, I don't do prescription drugs, I only take a rare sleeping pill and

>a pain killer that are available over-the-counter.

>

>And I'm not paying some quack to help me with "a problem" I don't have.

 

Wait till you get older.

>That's what America is coming to, drug everyone up, so everyone is

>trying to cope with everyone else. No thank you. I'll save my money

>and use it elsewhere.

 

Wishful thinking. You can't control what illnesses you face as you

age. That's why the health care issue is only going to get worse with

the graying of America. Now that baby boomers are approaching or just

starting retirement age they are entering the phase of life where

medical problems are more common.

Test User wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:07:07 -0400

> Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>

>

>

>>>If Windows is sooo damn hot, why are massive websites like yahoo and

>>>many ISP's gravitating and using BSD?

>

>

>

>>For the same reason Hotmail uses Windows? They use whatever works

>>for them?

>>

>>Mike

>

>

> You may want to google hotmail+FreeBSD. Microsoft made the switch due

> to embarrassment and made the admission that on the server side that

> FreeBSD was superior to windows.. Have a look at the url below..

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/

>

> Mike, You will have to admit that FreeBSD makes a better desktop than

> Windows or MAC.

 

Oh please don't quote that pretend ms hating rag 'theregister". They

refer to ms a the "vole".

They have no creditability...neither do you for that matter.

Frank

Tim Judd wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Gary wrote:

>>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>> I've been working with computer system long before you knew what

>>>>>>> a computer was.

>>>>>> Really? The first time I operated a computer was in 1968. Remember

>>>>>> punch cards?

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes I was working on HP 3000, Data General 1200, and Univac 1108

>>>>> systems with punch card readers.

>>>>> Also desiging hardware and software during that time.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>>> I've been playing with different versions of Linux and Ubuntu

>>>>>>> since it first came out.

>>>>>>> Its still a toy for a desktop OS always has been always will be.

>>>>>> What can Windows do that Ubuntu can't do besides accuse you of

>>>>>> piracy, play games requiring DX and attract viruses and malware?

>>>>>

>>>>> Interoperate with businesss software packages and do real work

>>>>

>>>> And "real work" being?

>>>

>>> Anything NOT websurfing, email, or word processing/spreadsheets.

>>> Proprietary executables in use. DOS executables that windows can/has

>>> been backwards compatable since '95 (working on 12 years now). Linux

>>> may have been around in the same timeframe, but hasn't progressed

>>> anywhere. Nowhere. Still like it was first released.

>>

>> Um, no it isn't. Email, web research word processing and spreadsheets

>> are most certainly business activities.

>

> But not entirely, and I was thinking of you promoting linux for use at

> work, which means all tasks currently done on windows at work, must be

> available to be done on linux at work. Including the executables from

> others.

>

>>> I'm so VERY tempted to paste my URL to my linux rant here, but if

>>> this is OT, my rant will not only start a flame war, it will get many

>>> people blacklisted on many people's newsreading client. I won't do

>>> it. Just understand the general feel is that Linux isn't ready for

>>> any mainstream use, and I don't ever see it being ready.

>>

>> I do. I use it every day and make money doing it.

>

> And I make money when I use Windows. Why change? Support groups like

> this get things working.

>

>>> Others, such as Apple, can take it over and remove the less popular

>>> systems like Linux. Otherwise on this thread, there are numbers

>>> posted that linux is about 1% internet market share. Apple's passed

>>> linux up a long time ago. I promote Apple and will physically harm

>>> people who advocate linux, if I have access to them.

>>

>> Um, there was a time where more businesses used an IBM Selectric

>> typewriter than used Windows 3.1. Oops.

>

> Hello! get in the 21st century, or is Spain still living in the 1980s?

>

>>>>>>> There has been no significant changes in years and you know it.

>>>>>> I've seen a significant change from Ubuntu 6.06 to 7.04.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> And no real change in the number of users. Several companys have

>>>>> offered systems with Linux and dropped it because nobody wanted it.

>>>>

>>>> Companies ... companies. I like it better than XP or Vista I am

>>>> somebody.

>>>

>>> No you're not. you're still a number.. lumped in with the rest of

>>> the linux advocates.

>>

>> Only in your mind.

>

> You advocacy just makes you another number. Only in your mind you're not.

>

>>> You aren't making yourself unique, you're just another linux advocate

>>> that doesn't understand the real business world that needs to deal

>>> with the rest of the business world.

>>

>> I deal with the real business world every day. I own two businesses.

>

> Bah.. I can say I own a dozen companies, but won't post URLs. We all

> use Windows. Believe me?

>

>>> Run Microsoft Word 2007 on your Ubuntu natively, without any API

>>> emulators or virtualization and you would have a point, maybe.

>>

>> The *last* thing I would do is buy Office 2007 at $1332 US Dollars

>> when I get what I need with Open Office and ABIWord.

>

> I've used both Open Office and ABIWord. I haven't used Word 2007 (I

> didn't say buy the Office suite, I said MS Word 2007).

>

>>>>>>> Insert your FUD here.

>>>>>> YOU insert it. Yuck!

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ya right. Grow up.

>>>>

>>>> No sense of humor, eh? I guess you've been doing too much "real work".

>>>

>>> You have no sense of real-world interoperability.

>>

>> You have a sense of what sense I have or don't have? Has Office 2007

>> enabled mind reading?

>

> Your first question doesn't make sense.

>

> Office 2007 may not have enabled mind reading, but neither has

> OpenOffice or ABIWord.

>

>>> I don't know what country you live in,

>>

>> Spain.

>

> Thanks, a thing or two is now in more perspective.

>

>>> but in the US, each governmental state offices send out documents in

>>> Microsoft format to regional governmental agencies, and expect a

>>> response in Microsoft format. Including archives that are packed up,

>>> and distributed in a self-extracting (maybe proprietary compression)

>>> files. Run the .exe natively. Try it.

>>

>> I guess you've never used ABIWord and it's time that the US government

>> stopped supporting MS' de facto monopoly and get back to the anti

>> trust suit.

>

> It /IS/ time large government organizations move away from proprietary

> formats and binaries. But you would have to be larger than the US

> Government, offer services equal or better than what Microsoft is

> offering, and make a serious campaign to get everyone in US Government

> (local offices, State, and National) to agree uniformly that what you're

> offering is better than what Microsoft has to offer.

>

> That's how I see the change as remotely going to happen, if it's going

> to change at all. We're probably talking billions of US dollars if not

> more to get that initiative underway.

>

>> Alias

>

> I do want to thank you for at least taking the time and rationally

> talking this out. If nothing else, it's a different Point of View I see

> from you and it makes me respect you more. You're still a linux

> advocate in my mind right now though.

>

> Tim

 

I still use XP to play video games if that makes you feel any better.

 

Alias

Tim Judd wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>

>> > I promote Apple and will physically harm people who advocate linux,

>> if > I have access to them.

>>

>> Charming. Do you put this on your curriculum vitae? What other groups

>> will you physically harm if you have access to them?

>>

>> Alias

>

> What is a curriculum vitae? and there is no other group I would harm.

> you're just fanning the flame when you advocate linux.

 

I wouldn't want you to get cold -)

 

Alias

Gary wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:em3bpziyHHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Gary wrote:

>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>> news:%23j42KggyHHA.3772@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> There was a time when IBM Selectric Typewriters were more prominent in

>>>> the business world than PCs with Windows 3.1. There was even a time when

>>>> manual typewriters outnumbered electric typewriters. MS is genuinizing

>>>> and activating itself out of business. I would predict that in two years

>>>> time, Ubuntu-like Linux distros will be FRONT PAGE NEWS. Mark my words.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>> Yawn heard that two years ago,

>> I don't think too many IBM Selectrics were being used two years ago or

>> four years ago.

>>

>>> and two years before that, and two years before that.

>> Try 25 years ago.

>>

>>> Your living in a dream world.

>> Note that I wrote, and I quote, "mark my words". Time will tell.

>>

>> Alias

>

> You wrote "I would predict that in two years time, Ubuntu-like Linux distros

> will be FRONT PAGE NEWS. Mark my words."

 

Those are the words you should mark.

>

> What part of my answer to your own post didn't you understand?

 

I understood everything.

 

Alias

Test User wrote:

<SNIP>

> Mike, You will have to admit that FreeBSD makes a better desktop than

> Windows or MAC.

 

Voicing your opinions on this thread is becoming very regular. So here

I go.

 

I enjoy Apple's OS X -- everything about it. But between Mac and

FreeBSD, it's a tossup on the desktop, I think they're both excellent

choices.

 

Much better than Windows and Linux, IMO.

Alias wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>>

>>> > I promote Apple and will physically harm people who advocate

>>> linux, if > I have access to them.

>>>

>>> Charming. Do you put this on your curriculum vitae? What other groups

>>> will you physically harm if you have access to them?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> What is a curriculum vitae? and there is no other group I would harm.

>> you're just fanning the flame when you advocate linux.

>

> I wouldn't want you to get cold -)

>

> Alias

 

Please tell me what a cirriculum vitae is.

 

I think it's a Spain thing.

In article <oURni.95$6F2.3@newsfe12.lga>, Test User <Test@Nospam.com>

wrote:

> You may want to google hotmail+FreeBSD. Microsoft made the switch due

> to embarrassment and made the admission that on the server side that

> FreeBSD was superior to windows.. Have a look at the url below..

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/ms_paper_touts_unix/

 

Yeah, The Register. As biased a source of "news" as slashdot.

 

But the fact remains that Hotmail runs on Server 2003.

> Mike, You will have to admit that FreeBSD makes a better desktop than

> Windows or MAC.

 

What color is the sky on your planet?

 

OS X is the ONLY *nix that's a good desktop. The rest are light years

behind.

 

Mike

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:43:43 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

 

>Oh please don't quote that pretend ms hating rag 'theregister". They

>refer to ms a the "vole".

>They have no creditability...neither do you for that matter.

>Frank

 

So says the most laughed at troll in this newsgroup.

 

ROTFLMAO!

I dare you to say we're on topic to this NG.

 

Test User wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:39:02 -0600

> Tim Judd <tjudd01@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Test User wrote:

>> <SNIP>

>>

>>> Mike, You will have to admit that FreeBSD makes a better desktop

>>> than Windows or MAC.

>> Voicing your opinions on this thread is becoming very regular. So

>> here I go.

>>

>> I enjoy Apple's OS X -- everything about it. But between Mac and

>> FreeBSD, it's a tossup on the desktop, I think they're both excellent

>> choices.

>

> I'm certainly not going to knock OS X its a very stable and secure O/S,

> I do however prefer FreeBSD to OS-X (I like free software -) I've got

> over 17,000 programs to choose from, not to mention you can install

> Xorg and build the system that YOU WANT, not these pre-bundled bloated

> Linux systems link OpenSuse and Ubuntu just to name a few..

 

Good point.

>> Much better than Windows and Linux, IMO.

>

>

> Gentoo is an okay O/S, and I do have run run a few linux apps on BSD

> mainly it's just Linux-Opera due to lack of a native flash-plugin.

 

The only "linux apps" I use are:

 

PXELINUX

udpcast (via PXE)

 

Those two have got a real good niche, in my eyes. I'm working on a

cloning solution that is entirely network based, and those two play a

crucial role in it. But all the servers and the actual diskless OS'es I

use are all BSD based.

 

It's amazing how quiet things get when you don't run with flash support.

It's part of the reason I'm using BSD only on my box now. You might

get a messagebox saying "click ok to download the flash plugin" but it

just don't work. I'm flashless and enjoying it.

In article <uWPk1VnyHHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

Tim Judd <tjudd01@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's amazing how quiet things get when you don't run with flash support.

> It's part of the reason I'm using BSD only on my box now. You might

> get a messagebox saying "click ok to download the flash plugin" but it

> just don't work. I'm flashless and enjoying it.

 

Yeah, I do the same thing with IE7. Download flash, install it, then

disable it. That way, you don't get constant messages to install it

because it IS installed, and you don't get annoying animated ads all

over the place because its disabled!

 

I'm flashless and enjoying it.

 

Mike

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

news:%23gWwlFhyHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Lang Murphy wrote:

>> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

>> news:no-4DFF5A.09545717072007@news.supernews.com...

>>> In article <#PQAWcHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the

>>>> same, tired and unfounded insults.

>>>

>>> Another Linux marketing droid who doesn't understand that this is a

>>> Windows group and no one gives a crap about Linux or "free software".

>>>

>>> Mike

>>

>>

>> I both agree and disagree. Alias is a Ubuntu troll who refuses to admit

>> that his OT, constant, day-in, day-out, posts about Ubuntu in -this- ng

>> make him a troll. And I -do- give a crap about nix... if a distro ever

>> shows up that "works" for me, I'll happily run it on one of my boxes

>> here. Right next to one of my Vista boxes. -) (I need to D/L and install

>> PCLinuxOS... as I told another poster, in another thread, I would...

>> haven't gotten around to it yet...)

>>

>> Lang

>

> Helping frustrated Vista users by suggesting an alternative that they have

> probably never heard of is not trolling. It's a *genuine* and viable

> suggestion.

>

> Alias

 

 

Well, I guess I'll just to have to keep replying to your "broken record"

rationalized response. Your Ubuntu jihad in this ng is not a -genuine-

attempt to help Vista users, no matter how many times you claim it is. Every

OS is a viable alternative. Thank god we don't have OS/2 freaks, or RedHat

freaks, or OS/X freaks posting constantly, day-in, day-out, that Vista sucks

and we should all try that other OS.

 

There are a number of other nix guys who hang out in this ng... one

difference between you and them is they don't barge in on ten threads a day

and parrot "Try Ubuntu." The other difference is that they, apparently, have

enough PC knowledge to actually offer assistance to other people. I've seen

your attempts at "assistance." You can't be serious. Oh, wait, you are. No

help whatsoever.

 

Lang

Tim Judd wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>>>

>>>> > I promote Apple and will physically harm people who advocate

>>>> linux, if > I have access to them.

>>>>

>>>> Charming. Do you put this on your curriculum vitae? What other

>>>> groups will you physically harm if you have access to them?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> What is a curriculum vitae? and there is no other group I would

>>> harm. you're just fanning the flame when you advocate linux.

>>

>>

>> I wouldn't want you to get cold -)

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Please tell me what a cirriculum vitae is.

>

> I think it's a Spain thing.

 

Ok, ok...a curriculum vitae (correct sp), is just a fancy word generally

used by members of academia and research instead of using the word résumé.

It is a term most often used in academic & research circles when

applying for a job, or a position as they prefer to call them.

Basically, they mean the same thing.

The main difference is length as in number of pages. A curriculum vitae

can be very voluminous...I've seen some run 22+ pages of single spaced

typing.

Whereas a résumé ideally should be all on one or two pages maximum.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Tim Judd wrote:

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> > I promote Apple and will physically harm people who advocate

>>>>> linux, if > I have access to them.

>>>>>

>>>>> Charming. Do you put this on your curriculum vitae? What other

>>>>> groups will you physically harm if you have access to them?

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> What is a curriculum vitae? and there is no other group I would

>>>> harm. you're just fanning the flame when you advocate linux.

>>>

>>>

>>> I wouldn't want you to get cold -)

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Please tell me what a cirriculum vitae is.

>>

>> I think it's a Spain thing.

>

> Ok, ok...a curriculum vitae (correct sp), is just a fancy word generally

> used by members of academia and research instead of using the word résumé.

> It is a term most often used in academic & research circles when

> applying for a job, or a position as they prefer to call them.

> Basically, they mean the same thing.

> The main difference is length as in number of pages. A curriculum vitae

> can be very voluminous...I've seen some run 22+ pages of single spaced

> typing.

> Whereas a résumé ideally should be all on one or two pages maximum.

> Frank

 

Thank you Frank.

 

Very insightful and useful. I appreciate it.

Tim Judd wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>> Tim Judd wrote:

>>>>

>>>> > I promote Apple and will physically harm people who advocate

>>>> linux, if > I have access to them.

>>>>

>>>> Charming. Do you put this on your curriculum vitae? What other

>>>> groups will you physically harm if you have access to them?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> What is a curriculum vitae? and there is no other group I would

>>> harm. you're just fanning the flame when you advocate linux.

>>

>> I wouldn't want you to get cold -)

>>

>> Alias

>

> Please tell me what a cirriculum vitae is.

 

No such thing. I wrote *curriculum* vitae, otherwise known as a resumé,

CV or BIO.

> I think it's a Spain thing.

 

I know it's an international thing for those who are educated enough to

know what it is.

 

Alias

Lang Murphy wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:%23gWwlFhyHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Lang Murphy wrote:

>>> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message

>>> news:no-4DFF5A.09545717072007@news.supernews.com...

>>>> In article <#PQAWcHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the

>>>>> same, tired and unfounded insults.

>>>>

>>>> Another Linux marketing droid who doesn't understand that this is a

>>>> Windows group and no one gives a crap about Linux or "free software".

>>>>

>>>> Mike

>>>

>>>

>>> I both agree and disagree. Alias is a Ubuntu troll who refuses to

>>> admit that his OT, constant, day-in, day-out, posts about Ubuntu in

>>> -this- ng make him a troll. And I -do- give a crap about nix... if a

>>> distro ever shows up that "works" for me, I'll happily run it on one

>>> of my boxes here. Right next to one of my Vista boxes. -) (I need to

>>> D/L and install PCLinuxOS... as I told another poster, in another

>>> thread, I would... haven't gotten around to it yet...)

>>>

>>> Lang

>>

>> Helping frustrated Vista users by suggesting an alternative that they

>> have probably never heard of is not trolling. It's a *genuine* and

>> viable suggestion.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Well, I guess I'll just to have to keep replying to your "broken record"

> rationalized response. Your Ubuntu jihad in this ng is not a -genuine-

> attempt to help Vista users, no matter how many times you claim it is.

> Every OS is a viable alternative. Thank god we don't have OS/2 freaks,

> or RedHat freaks, or OS/X freaks posting constantly, day-in, day-out,

> that Vista sucks and we should all try that other OS.

>

> There are a number of other nix guys who hang out in this ng... one

> difference between you and them is they don't barge in on ten threads a

> day and parrot "Try Ubuntu." The other difference is that they,

> apparently, have enough PC knowledge to actually offer assistance to

> other people. I've seen your attempts at "assistance." You can't be

> serious. Oh, wait, you are. No help whatsoever.

>

> Lang

 

I'll keep posting my Ubuntu suggestions to the newbies that are tearing

their hair out because of Vista and you keep posting your insults.

 

Deal?

 

Alias

In article <#iemLigyHHA.3772@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,

Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

> Using the Live CD is not the same as installing it.

 

Then what's the point of it?

 

Mike

In article <#dzl92UyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

> Do you enjoy being a bigot?

 

Do you enjoy being a troll?

 

Mike