On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:20:17 -0400

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF

> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the

> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is

> supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day to

> day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of

> reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people are

> dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the new OS.

> Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of software

> that just wont function. Frustrating.

>

>

http://aspnetresources.com/blog/vista_sucks.aspx

I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts

Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that

it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most

of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or

install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations

and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who

actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is

a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

In article <eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts

> Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that

> it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most

> of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or

> install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations

> and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who

> actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is

> a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

 

Well, that's the thing about being an early adopter. In a year or 2

when the app vendors catch up, none of this will be an issue.

 

Remember, XP was reviled for the same reasons when it was released. It

was "too big, too dumbed down, too much eye candy". Now, 6 years

later, it's the "greatest OS Microsoft has ever released!"

 

Mike

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:32:52 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article <eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts

>> Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that

>> it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most

>> of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or

>> install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations

>> and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who

>> actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is

>> a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

>

>Well, that's the thing about being an early adopter. In a year or 2

>when the app vendors catch up, none of this will be an issue.

>

>Remember, XP was reviled for the same reasons when it was released. It

>was "too big, too dumbed down, too much eye candy". Now, 6 years

>later, it's the "greatest OS Microsoft has ever released!"

>

>Mike

 

XP is so far the best version of Windows Microsoft has released. Some

day Vista may be. The point is it was released prematurely, clearly

behaves more like a beta and has more internal issues, where XP had

mostly driver issues.

 

I always snicker when people are brainwashed into accepting oh so what

it's early Microsoft will fix it down the road with a service pak.

Then Microsoft should give everybody that bought Vista early and were

their unpaid beta testers a refund. I'd say $50 per customer sounds

right.

In article <r6eo93d08gm80nm6u9oqfpopvaetrrfu17@4ax.com>,

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

 

> XP is so far the best version of Windows Microsoft has released.

 

Yep, it is NOW. What was your opinion in July of 2001? I know what

mine was - "Windows 2000 is the best OS Microsoft has released".

> Some day Vista may be. The point is it was released prematurely, clearly

> behaves more like a beta and has more internal issues, where XP had

> mostly driver issues.

 

Yeah, uh huh, sure, whatever.

 

The EXACT same things were said about XP. "It's incompatible, it's

buggy, it's too hard for Windows 98 users to figure out, it needs WAY

too much hardware for decent performance"!

 

Get over it already. It's been out for 6 months. Come back next

summer and we'll see where Vista is.

 

Mike

If you post details of the programs as well as exactly what happens,

it is probable you will get solutions from someone.

 

However without details, all I can suggest is Compatibility Mode.

Have you checked with the manufacturers about Windows Vista

compatibility?

If they are not compatible, be sure to let them know.

 

So far I have only two programs that have problems with Windows Vista,

one I never use.

the other has workarounds for the features I do use.

 

As for the numbers of people satisfied and dissatisfied, by its nature

a newsgroup will attract those with problems.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

 

 

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF

>Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the

>realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is

>supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day to

>day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of

>reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people are

>dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the new OS.

>Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of software

>that just wont function. Frustrating.

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts

>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that

>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most

>of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or

>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations

>and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who

>actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there

>is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

 

Have you tried installing your "incompatible aps" in compatibility

mode ?, if they worked in XP there's a strong chance they will also

work with Vista.

Put the installation CD/DVD into the drive and navigate to Control

Panel >programs >use an older program with this version of Windows,

iInstalling this way not via autorun could be the answer for you.

 

FWIW, despite a negative response from MYOB, I was able to get MYOB

Accounting 13 working successfully.

But I understand your pain, Vistas is NOT as user friendly as M$ would

have the general public believe, it's on a par with Ubuntu - unless you

are a user from Win98 days, I'm not advocating the use of Linux here

BTW -).

 

rgds

Roberto

Have you checked the websites for the applications you refer to for updates

that support Vista? If your application is in these lists then there should

be updated versions that run on Vista - these are not small lists of

applications that work with Vista"

 

Applications that have earned the "Certified for Windows Vista" logo

To view the list of applications that have earned the "Certified for Windows

Vista" logo, visit the following Microsoft Web site:

https://winqual.microsoft.com/member/softwarelogo/certifiedlist.aspx

Applications that have earned the "Works with Windows Vista" logo

To view the list of applications that have earned the "Works with Windows

Vista" logo, visit the following Microsoft Web site:

https://winqual.microsoft.com/member/softwarelogo/workswithlist.aspx

 

Additionally, most people that are happy with Vista will not bother posting

so in the forums and newsgroups.. so what you read about some not liking it

is a small number of the people who use it.

--

Art (artfudd)

-------------

 

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts

>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that

>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most

>of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or

>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations

>and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who

>actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there

>is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

>

>

Did you note the dates on that blog? Vista has come a long way

compatibility-wise (meaning many companies have upgraded their software &

drivers) since then. The author of that blog is the one that sucks... :)

--

Art (artfudd)

-------------

"Test User" <Test@User.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:20:17 -0400

> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF

>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the

>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is

>> supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day to

>> day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of

>> reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people are

>> dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the new OS.

>> Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of software

>> that just wont function. Frustrating.

>>

>>

> http://aspnetresources.com/blog/vista_sucks.aspx

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts

>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that

>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most

>of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or

>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations

>and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who

>actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there

>is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

 

Just what software are you talking about? And have you really checked with

the vendor for solutions?

 

Maybe, there is some equivalent free solution, until the software vendor for

your applications that don't work catches up with Vista.

 

http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/

 

You do know that Vista has compatibly settings to run applications in a mode

like XP, Win 2K, Win 98, etc.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

news:%23jhtHZCyHHA.5964@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> If you post details of the programs as well as exactly what happens, it is

> probable you will get solutions from someone.

>

> However without details, all I can suggest is Compatibility Mode.

> Have you checked with the manufacturers about Windows Vista compatibility?

> If they are not compatible, be sure to let them know.

>

> So far I have only two programs that have problems with Windows Vista, one

> I never use.

> the other has workarounds for the features I do use.

>

> As for the numbers of people satisfied and dissatisfied, by its nature a

> newsgroup will attract those with problems.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> http://www.dts-l.org

>

>

> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts

>>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that

>>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however,

>>most of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or

>>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type

>>situations and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there

>>are who actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if

>>there is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

>

 

 

Jupiter,

 

Thanks! You saved me the effort to respond! -)

 

Lang

Mike wrote:

> In article <r6eo93d08gm80nm6u9oqfpopvaetrrfu17@4ax.com>,

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>

>

>> XP is so far the best version of Windows Microsoft has released.

>

> Yep, it is NOW. What was your opinion in July of 2001? I know what

> mine was - "Windows 2000 is the best OS Microsoft has released".

>

>> Some day Vista may be. The point is it was released prematurely, clearly

>> behaves more like a beta and has more internal issues, where XP had

>> mostly driver issues.

>

> Yeah, uh huh, sure, whatever.

>

> The EXACT same things were said about XP. "It's incompatible, it's

> buggy, it's too hard for Windows 98 users to figure out, it needs WAY

> too much hardware for decent performance"!

>

> Get over it already. It's been out for 6 months. Come back next

> summer and we'll see where Vista is.

>

> Mike

 

No Windows OS was ready for prime time when released as a final product

when it really was/is a *public beta*. It's MS' usual M.O. to get their

paying customers to do their work for them.

 

The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open

Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

 

Alias

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:40:17 -0400

Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

> In article <OWYQwbIyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

> > Not true. Many frustrated Vista users who post here are looking for

> > viable alternatives and I am happy to provide them with a public

> > service.

>

> The only viable alternative to Windows is OS X.

 

 

Wrong, I've been using FreeBSD on the desktop for years.

FreeBSD is a viable desktop option, its very stable and super secure.

We have a ports system with over 17,000 programs to choose from and

their all free. My sister installed that bloated beast called Vista and

I played around with it for about an hour - IT'S CRAP, it's modern day

Windows/Me. I've never seen any system in my life eat resources like

Vista does.

 

>It is actually

> gaining market share. Unlike Linux, which is still in the 0.5%

> range after 15 years of "free" software.

 

If Windows is sooo damn hot, why are massive websites like yahoo and

many ISP's gravitating and using BSD?

In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open

> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

 

Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL

given away and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

 

Mike

Mike wrote:

> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open

>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

>

> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL

> given away

 

And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means

and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How

much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money

make sex better?

> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

>

> Mike

 

False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more,

thanks to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement

of Linux for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled

with posts saying "I'm a newbie".

 

Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

Source and see what you've been missing.

 

Alias

In article <#t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

 

The same old Linux marketing drivel he has been spouting here for 6

months now.

 

Yes, we understand that Linux is "free". The problem is, no one cares.

 

Mike

> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and

> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do

> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex

> better?

 

Price doesn't mean just the purchase price. Easily find support

professionals, hardware and software compatibility issues, and training, and

migration are also part of prices, and yes, they are part of problems for

Vista as well, but those are also prices to be included sooner or later.

 

So people don't just think about purchase price and those who think only

about purchase price is silly and naive, the least to say.

 

And please don't use women or wife or sex as an example. But just in case

you want to know, I do pay her with all my love to have sex with her and

that's why we call it - making love.

 

Yes, we have to pay one way or the other.

> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

> Source and see what you've been missing.

 

Yes, those are problems. Guess what, many are thinking Apple not Linux for

alternatives. Why? Vista's UI is terrible, Apple is questionable depending

on one's previous experience, and Linux has literally no UI concept.

 

So if you must, please at least come up some real life benefits for

switching over. All of the above are not even close to benefits.

 

 

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

news:%23t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Mike wrote:

>> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>

>>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open

>>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

>>

>> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL

>> given away

>

> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and

> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do

> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex

> better?

>

>> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

>>

>> Mike

>

> False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more, thanks

> to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement of Linux

> for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled with posts

> saying "I'm a newbie".

>

> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

> Source and see what you've been missing.

>

> Alias

xfile wrote:

>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and

>> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do

>> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex

>> better?

>

> Price doesn't mean just the purchase price. Easily find support

> professionals, hardware and software compatibility issues, and training, and

> migration are also part of prices, and yes, they are part of problems for

> Vista as well, but those are also prices to be included sooner or later.

 

So far, I have paid NO money for Ubuntu and it runs great.

>

> So people don't just think about purchase price and those who think only

> about purchase price is silly and naive, the least to say.

 

See above.

>

> And please don't use women or wife or sex as an example.

 

I'll use any example my little hearts desires to use.

 

But just in case

> you want to know, I do pay her with all my love to have sex with her and

> that's why we call it - making love.

 

You consider love to be money? How crass can you get?

>

> Yes, we have to pay one way or the other.

>

>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>

> Yes, those are problems. Guess what, many are thinking Apple not Linux for

> alternatives. Why? Vista's UI is terrible, Apple is questionable depending

> on one's previous experience, and Linux has literally no UI concept.

 

False. I use the GUI for almost everything in Ubuntu. You obviously

don't know what you're talking about. Beryl makes Aero look like an

amateur did it.

>

> So if you must, please at least come up some real life benefits for

> switching over. All of the above are not even close to benefits.

 

When the person I am explaining it to is open to change, there are no

problems in their understanding. You, apparently, do have problems with

that.

 

Alias

>

>

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:%23t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Mike wrote:

>>> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>>

>>>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open

>>>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

>>> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL

>>> given away

>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and

>> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do

>> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex

>> better?

>>

>>> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

>>>

>>> Mike

>> False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more, thanks

>> to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement of Linux

>> for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled with posts

>> saying "I'm a newbie".

>>

>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

Mike wrote:

> In article <#t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

> The same old Linux marketing drivel he has been spouting here for 6

> months now.

>

> Yes, we understand that Linux is "free". The problem is, no one cares.

>

> Mike

 

Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the

same, tired and unfounded insults.

 

Alias

Mike wrote:

 

<snip>

> Remember, XP was reviled for the same reasons when it was released. It

> was "too big, too dumbed down, too much eye candy". Now, 6 years

> later, it's the "greatest OS Microsoft has ever released!"

>

Sadly, that's true.

 

Shake Hands With,

Mr. Happy

 

--

Would you purchase an os from this man?

.... and he hasn't really changed

In article <#PQAWcHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

> Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the

> same, tired and unfounded insults.

 

Another Linux marketing droid who doesn't understand that this is a

Windows group and no one gives a crap about Linux or "free software".

 

Mike

Well, say whatever you wish but you should know that you and your friends

are doing a "negative" campaign here. I don't remember when was the last

time that a negative campaign actually worked.

 

But I offer you and your friends an opportunity. The following is a

comment By WALTER S. MOSSBERG, Wall Street Journal, April 26, 2007.

 

Q: You often mention the Macintosh as an alternative to Windows, why don't

you recommend the Linux operating system?

 

A: I aim my columns at mainstream users doing typical tasks who have little

or no technical knowledge, no help from experts, and no appetite for

becoming techies. These folks want the computer to do things for them. They

don't want to have to do much, if any, configuring of, or maintaining of,

their computers. They have no patience for geeky procedures. For instance,

when they buy a peripheral device, they expect to plug it in and find that

it works, often without even installing the CD from the box. I don't believe

Linux is yet simple enough and automatic enough and nontechnical enough for

these mainstream users. So I don't recommend it. I firmly believe that the

Macintosh does meet these criteria, and so I consider it the only practical

alternative to Windows for mainstream, nontechie users.

 

His comments are viewed and taken by a large number of executives around the

world and if you

guys can convince him, you would have a better chance.

 

His email address: mossberg@wsj.com

 

So any of you are brave enough, go troll him.

 

End of my conversation with anyone associated with Linux advocacy.

 

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

news:%23z1l%23bHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> xfile wrote:

>>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means

>>> and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How

>>> much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money

>>> make sex better?

>>

>> Price doesn't mean just the purchase price. Easily find support

>> professionals, hardware and software compatibility issues, and training,

>> and migration are also part of prices, and yes, they are part of problems

>> for Vista as well, but those are also prices to be included sooner or

>> later.

>

> So far, I have paid NO money for Ubuntu and it runs great.

>

>>

>> So people don't just think about purchase price and those who think only

>> about purchase price is silly and naive, the least to say.

>

> See above.

>

>>

>> And please don't use women or wife or sex as an example.

>

> I'll use any example my little hearts desires to use.

>

> But just in case

>> you want to know, I do pay her with all my love to have sex with her and

>> that's why we call it - making love.

>

> You consider love to be money? How crass can you get?

>>

>> Yes, we have to pay one way or the other.

>>

>>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>>

>> Yes, those are problems. Guess what, many are thinking Apple not Linux

>> for alternatives. Why? Vista's UI is terrible, Apple is questionable

>> depending on one's previous experience, and Linux has literally no UI

>> concept.

>

> False. I use the GUI for almost everything in Ubuntu. You obviously don't

> know what you're talking about. Beryl makes Aero look like an amateur did

> it.

>

>>

>> So if you must, please at least come up some real life benefits for

>> switching over. All of the above are not even close to benefits.

>

> When the person I am explaining it to is open to change, there are no

> problems in their understanding. You, apparently, do have problems with

> that.

>

> Alias

>>

>>

>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>> news:%23t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Mike wrote:

>>>> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open

>>>>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

>>>> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are

>>>> STILL given away

>>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means

>>> and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How

>>> much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money

>>> make sex better?

>>>

>>>> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

>>>>

>>>> Mike

>>> False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more,

>>> thanks to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement

>>> of Linux for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled

>>> with posts saying "I'm a newbie".

>>>

>>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

Mike wrote:

> In article <#PQAWcHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>

>> Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the

>> same, tired and unfounded insults.

>

> Another Linux marketing droid who doesn't understand that this is a

> Windows group and no one gives a crap about Linux or "free software".

>

> Mike

 

Not true. Many frustrated Vista users who post here are looking for

viable alternatives and I am happy to provide them with a public

service. Personally, I found out about Ubuntu on the Windows XP

newsgroup and am quite thankful I did.

 

Now, be a good little boy and run on and help Vista users instead of

revealing your ignorance and prejudice.

 

Alias

In article <OWYQwbIyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

> Not true. Many frustrated Vista users who post here are looking for

> viable alternatives and I am happy to provide them with a public

> service.

 

The only viable alternative to Windows is OS X. It is actually gaining

market share. Unlike Linux, which is still in the 0.5% range after 15

years of "free" software.

 

Now go run along and play in the Linux groups with the other script

kiddies.

 

Mike

xfile wrote:

> Well, say whatever you wish but you should know that you and your friends

> are doing a "negative" campaign here. I don't remember when was the last

> time that a negative campaign actually worked.

>

> But I offer you and your friends an opportunity. The following is a

> comment By WALTER S. MOSSBERG, Wall Street Journal, April 26, 2007.

>

> Q: You often mention the Macintosh as an alternative to Windows, why don't

> you recommend the Linux operating system?

>

> A: I aim my columns at mainstream users doing typical tasks who have little

> or no technical knowledge, no help from experts, and no appetite for

> becoming techies. These folks want the computer to do things for them. They

> don't want to have to do much, if any, configuring of, or maintaining of,

> their computers. They have no patience for geeky procedures. For instance,

> when they buy a peripheral device, they expect to plug it in and find that

> it works, often without even installing the CD from the box. I don't believe

> Linux is yet simple enough and automatic enough and nontechnical enough for

> these mainstream users. So I don't recommend it. I firmly believe that the

> Macintosh does meet these criteria, and so I consider it the only practical

> alternative to Windows for mainstream, nontechie users.

>

> His comments are viewed and taken by a large number of executives around the

> world and if you

> guys can convince him, you would have a better chance.

>

> His email address: mossberg@wsj.com

>

> So any of you are brave enough, go troll him.

>

> End of my conversation with anyone associated with Linux advocacy.

 

Obviously the man has never used Ubuntu, regardless of who he is.

Devices are easier with Ubuntu than Windows, much easier. *Everything*

is updated with the Ubuntu update, including programs such as Open

Office and Fire Fox. Much simpler than Windows. There are no Spybot,

Ad-Aware, Spywareblaster, anti virus programs, Java, Flash, etc. to

daily check for updates. Ubuntu is much more user friendly than Windows.

Course, neither you nor your copy and paste have used Ubuntu but that

won't stop you from snootily referring to us like the KKK refers to afro

Americans.

 

Alias

>

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:%23z1l%23bHyHHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> xfile wrote:

>>>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means

>>>> and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How

>>>> much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money

>>>> make sex better?

>>> Price doesn't mean just the purchase price. Easily find support

>>> professionals, hardware and software compatibility issues, and training,

>>> and migration are also part of prices, and yes, they are part of problems

>>> for Vista as well, but those are also prices to be included sooner or

>>> later.

>> So far, I have paid NO money for Ubuntu and it runs great.

>>

>>> So people don't just think about purchase price and those who think only

>>> about purchase price is silly and naive, the least to say.

>> See above.

>>

>>> And please don't use women or wife or sex as an example.

>> I'll use any example my little hearts desires to use.

>>

>> But just in case

>>> you want to know, I do pay her with all my love to have sex with her and

>>> that's why we call it - making love.

>> You consider love to be money? How crass can you get?

>>> Yes, we have to pay one way or the other.

>>>

>>>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>>>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>>>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>>>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>>> Yes, those are problems. Guess what, many are thinking Apple not Linux

>>> for alternatives. Why? Vista's UI is terrible, Apple is questionable

>>> depending on one's previous experience, and Linux has literally no UI

>>> concept.

>> False. I use the GUI for almost everything in Ubuntu. You obviously don't

>> know what you're talking about. Beryl makes Aero look like an amateur did

>> it.

>>

>>> So if you must, please at least come up some real life benefits for

>>> switching over. All of the above are not even close to benefits.

>> When the person I am explaining it to is open to change, there are no

>> problems in their understanding. You, apparently, do have problems with

>> that.

>>

>> Alias

>>>

>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>> news:%23t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> Mike wrote:

>>>>> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>>>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open

>>>>>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

>>>>> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are

>>>>> STILL given away

>>>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means

>>>> and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How

>>>> much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money

>>>> make sex better?

>>>>

>>>>> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

>>>>>

>>>>> Mike

>>>> False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more,

>>>> thanks to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement

>>>> of Linux for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled

>>>> with posts saying "I'm a newbie".

>>>>

>>>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti

>>>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that

>>>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open

>>>> Source and see what you've been missing.

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>

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