On the Bridge! wrote:

> Frank thinks 17 machines is some big number.. lol

> some of us make that many installs in a week

>

That's not the point you idiot! My installs are all running properly. I

know that your one little install of Vista isn't because your far too

stupid to understand Vista. Vista is your master...and so am I...LOL!

Frank

PotsOn wrote:

 

 

....hey old man...you're insane and you keep posting to this ng even

though you're broke and can't afford Vista. You belong back in that

mental institution you've escaped from.

Go back...they will help you.

Frank

Alias wrote:

> On the Bridge! wrote:

>

>> Frank thinks 17 machines is some big number..

>

>

> And you believe the liar? He has Vista Basic on ONE crap machine like

> Dell, HP or eMachines.

>

> Alias

 

Hey sheep-fukker...you're as insane and as broke as your butt-buddy

nostop or potson or doris or whatever that lunatic is currently calling

his/her/it's self.

Stick with that free POS toy os you and you're commie comrades are

forced to use.

Frank

PotsOn wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>

>>>> 1) just post the URL, ok?

>>>

>>> you dont read urls franky poo, remember?

>> You stupid dipsh*t loser. I never said I don't read articles, you moron.

>> I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>> Got it you idiot!

>

> So you copy and paste a URL link from a ng posting because you haven't

> figured out how to set a default browser to launch a URL contained in a ng

> message? That's understandable with the low IQ you have.

>

> Cheers.

 

Frank has a very old, not patched, not supported copy of Mozilla

Mail/News that comes with the Mozilla Suite he downloaded years ago.

This has been replaced with Sea Monkey and/or Firefox-Thunderbird but

Frank is too stupid to upgrade because he thinks, erroneously, that Sea

Monkey and/or Thunderbird won't import his garbage posts and newsgroups.

The Mozilla Suite email/news program will ONLY open the Mozilla browser,

even if you set another browser as the default, which Frank thinks isn't

as safe as Internet Exploder 7. In short, Frank is technically impaired

as well as a total low life who thinks that owning his one copy of Vista

Basic on a crap computer he bought at some place like Best Buy gives him

some kind of status symbol and bragging rights.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> PotsOn wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>>

>>>>> 1) just post the URL, ok?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> you dont read urls franky poo, remember?

>>>

>>> You stupid dipsh*t loser. I never said I don't read articles, you moron.

>>> I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>>> Got it you idiot!

>>

>>

>> So you copy and paste a URL link from a ng posting because you haven't

>> figured out how to set a default browser to launch a URL contained in

>> a ng

>> message? That's understandable with the low IQ you have.

>>

>> Cheers.

>

>

> Frank has a very old, not patched, not supported copy of Mozilla

> Mail/News that comes with the Mozilla Suite he downloaded years ago.

 

Well, yes that is true...so far.

> This has been replaced with Sea Monkey and/or Firefox-Thunderbird but

> Frank is too stupid to upgrade because he thinks, erroneously, that Sea

> Monkey and/or Thunderbird won't import his garbage posts and newsgroups.

 

Now the sheep-fukker starts his lying.

> The Mozilla Suite email/news program will ONLY open the Mozilla browser,

> even if you set another browser as the default, which Frank thinks isn't

> as safe as Internet Exploder 7.

 

And continues his lies.

 

In short, Frank is technically impaired

> as well as a total low life who thinks that owning his one copy of Vista

> Basic on a crap computer he bought at some place like Best Buy gives him

> some kind of status symbol and bragging rights.

 

Now he's into his desperate mode of lying.

Get a life you stupid POS lying linux as*hole...LOL!

Frank

"On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

news:47deb022$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> No lies needed.

>

> It helps people by warning them about vista before they get it or get more

> of it.

> These newsgroups are mirrored in google groups and forums all over the

> internet.

> People searching for a better more global view of vista will bump into

> this info.

> By the way... that means that millions of people will be laughing at you.

>

> Its not an antivista campain, rather one of debunking the lies that MS has

> said about the WOW of vista.

>

> In fact you have contributed to this effort, by being such a dumbarse, and

> insisting that vista

> is the best thing since sliced bread, I have been able to provide more

> information on the contrary,

> because of the unreliable MVP's its my goal to know vista better than

> anyone in here so I can

> tell the truth how it is, and not like some imagine it to be.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

> news:OVj7fXFiIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>>>I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>>>

>>>

>>> Too bad, is it a surprise to you that I wont adjust my posting ways only

>>> for you?

>>> LOL!

>>

>> That went right over your little pointy head didn't it...LOL!

>>

>>>

>>> <bunch of delusional crap from frank snipped>

>>>

>>> Frank you are a big fat liar...

>>> everyone with a brain in here knows it!

>>> (this excludes morons like AlexB)

>>

>> Tell me something dipsh*t...how does your constant Vista hate rants in

>> this ng help anyone?

>> Try to answer that question with lying ok?

>> Frank

>

>

 

I don't normally answer posts that are so obviously from trolls but I have

made an exception to ask you to identify *exactly* what parts of Vista, in

your mind, are not working? In what way (specifics please, not rants or

opinions) is Vista not as good as XP? And, lastly, as I have managed to get

several tens of Vista installations up and running with no issues what so

ever, why are you having so much difficulty?

 

Trev

Patrician wrote:

>

>

> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

> news:47deb022$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>

>> No lies needed.

>>

>> It helps people by warning them about vista before they get it or get

>> more of it.

>> These newsgroups are mirrored in google groups and forums all over the

>> internet.

>> People searching for a better more global view of vista will bump into

>> this info.

>> By the way... that means that millions of people will be laughing at you.

>>

>> Its not an antivista campain, rather one of debunking the lies that MS

>> has said about the WOW of vista.

>>

>> In fact you have contributed to this effort, by being such a dumbarse,

>> and insisting that vista

>> is the best thing since sliced bread, I have been able to provide more

>> information on the contrary,

>> because of the unreliable MVP's its my goal to know vista better than

>> anyone in here so I can

>> tell the truth how it is, and not like some imagine it to be.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

>> news:OVj7fXFiIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>>

>>>>> I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Too bad, is it a surprise to you that I wont adjust my posting ways

>>>> only for you?

>>>> LOL!

>>>

>>>

>>> That went right over your little pointy head didn't it...LOL!

>>>

>>>>

>>>> <bunch of delusional crap from frank snipped>

>>>>

>>>> Frank you are a big fat liar...

>>>> everyone with a brain in here knows it!

>>>> (this excludes morons like AlexB)

>>>

>>>

>>> Tell me something dipsh*t...how does your constant Vista hate rants

>>> in this ng help anyone?

>>> Try to answer that question with lying ok?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>>

>

> I don't normally answer posts that are so obviously from trolls but I

> have made an exception to ask you to identify *exactly* what parts of

> Vista, in your mind, are not working? In what way (specifics please,

> not rants or opinions) is Vista not as good as XP? And, lastly, as I

> have managed to get several tens of Vista installations up and running

> with no issues what so ever, why are you having so much difficulty?

>

> Trev

>

>

>

He's a delusional computer expert who can't get his one little install

of Vista to run properly.

Forget him. He's a real nut job.

Frank

"On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

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> Frank thinks 17 machines is some big number.. lol

> some of us make that many installs in a week

>

 

OK, so you do more than 17 Vista installs per week. Which Best Buy do you

work at? Did you get your name patch on your shirt?

>

> "PotsOn" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:frmamk11u9i@news2.newsguy.com...

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> On the Bridge! wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>> ...let me give you a piece of advice capin' crunch.

>>> Next time do two things:

>>>

>>> 1) just post the URL, ok?

>>> 2) read the fukkin article!

>>>

>>> Then we can discuss the likes and dislikes about the FUNCTIONAL parts of

>>> Vista.

>>> The marketing of Vista is history...it is what it is. Basic,Premium,

>>> Business, Ultimate...exists...nothing you or joe can say will change

>>> that fact. Playing Monday morning quarterback about marketing is merely

>>> flapping your jaws.

>>> Got it?

>>> Oh and if you have so GD much experience with computers please tell us

>>> why you can't seem to get one little fukkin install of Vista to run

>>> properly. huh?

>>> Whereas I have 17 installs of Vista running properly!

>>> Does that make me smarter than you?...LOL!

>>> Well...?

>>> Frank

>>

>> Your installs seem to be increasing daily. That marketing company must be

>> REALLY growing! Another Microsoft in the making, headed by another Monkey

>> Boy. Now, "will that be fries with your order?".

>>

>> Cheers you pathetic pos.

>>

>>

>> --

>> What does Bill Gates use?

>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>

>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>

>> Microsoft Is Watching YOU: http://tinyurl.com/2ptclh

>>

>>

>

>

look, i have posted all this information in this newsgroup over the last 18

months..

 

I would need to write a 1000 page book if I was to go through and explain

all the reasons why vista is so bad...

 

I am NOT having any difficulty but apparently many millions of people are.

I am just reflecting their concerns and at the same time I am helping them

cope with this piece of trash of an os called vista.

 

 

"Patrician" <ghj290@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:176F3C94-B8CE-480E-A4A7-050954880D5D@microsoft.com...

>

>

> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

> news:47deb022$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> No lies needed.

>>

>> It helps people by warning them about vista before they get it or get

>> more of it.

>> These newsgroups are mirrored in google groups and forums all over the

>> internet.

>> People searching for a better more global view of vista will bump into

>> this info.

>> By the way... that means that millions of people will be laughing at you.

>>

>> Its not an antivista campain, rather one of debunking the lies that MS

>> has said about the WOW of vista.

>>

>> In fact you have contributed to this effort, by being such a dumbarse,

>> and insisting that vista

>> is the best thing since sliced bread, I have been able to provide more

>> information on the contrary,

>> because of the unreliable MVP's its my goal to know vista better than

>> anyone in here so I can

>> tell the truth how it is, and not like some imagine it to be.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

>> news:OVj7fXFiIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>>>>I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Too bad, is it a surprise to you that I wont adjust my posting ways

>>>> only for you?

>>>> LOL!

>>>

>>> That went right over your little pointy head didn't it...LOL!

>>>

>>>>

>>>> <bunch of delusional crap from frank snipped>

>>>>

>>>> Frank you are a big fat liar...

>>>> everyone with a brain in here knows it!

>>>> (this excludes morons like AlexB)

>>>

>>> Tell me something dipsh*t...how does your constant Vista hate rants in

>>> this ng help anyone?

>>> Try to answer that question with lying ok?

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>

> I don't normally answer posts that are so obviously from trolls but I

> have made an exception to ask you to identify *exactly* what parts of

> Vista, in your mind, are not working? In what way (specifics please, not

> rants or opinions) is Vista not as good as XP? And, lastly, as I have

> managed to get several tens of Vista installations up and running with no

> issues what so ever, why are you having so much difficulty?

>

> Trev

>

>

>

I challenge you let someone who is neutral post 100 questions about vista,

and lets see who will reply better,

me or you... lol

 

you dont have a chance... lol

 

 

 

"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

news:ugIStXGiIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Patrician wrote:

>>

>>

>> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

>> news:47deb022$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>

>>> No lies needed.

>>>

>>> It helps people by warning them about vista before they get it or get

>>> more of it.

>>> These newsgroups are mirrored in google groups and forums all over the

>>> internet.

>>> People searching for a better more global view of vista will bump into

>>> this info.

>>> By the way... that means that millions of people will be laughing at

>>> you.

>>>

>>> Its not an antivista campain, rather one of debunking the lies that MS

>>> has said about the WOW of vista.

>>>

>>> In fact you have contributed to this effort, by being such a dumbarse,

>>> and insisting that vista

>>> is the best thing since sliced bread, I have been able to provide more

>>> information on the contrary,

>>> because of the unreliable MVP's its my goal to know vista better than

>>> anyone in here so I can

>>> tell the truth how it is, and not like some imagine it to be.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OVj7fXFiIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>> I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Too bad, is it a surprise to you that I wont adjust my posting ways

>>>>> only for you?

>>>>> LOL!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> That went right over your little pointy head didn't it...LOL!

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> <bunch of delusional crap from frank snipped>

>>>>>

>>>>> Frank you are a big fat liar...

>>>>> everyone with a brain in here knows it!

>>>>> (this excludes morons like AlexB)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Tell me something dipsh*t...how does your constant Vista hate rants in

>>>> this ng help anyone?

>>>> Try to answer that question with lying ok?

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>> I don't normally answer posts that are so obviously from trolls but I

>> have made an exception to ask you to identify *exactly* what parts of

>> Vista, in your mind, are not working? In what way (specifics please, not

>> rants or opinions) is Vista not as good as XP? And, lastly, as I have

>> managed to get several tens of Vista installations up and running with no

>> issues what so ever, why are you having so much difficulty?

>>

>> Trev

>>

>>

>>

> He's a delusional computer expert who can't get his one little install of

> Vista to run properly.

> Forget him. He's a real nut job.

> Frank

"On the Bridge!" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

news:47de91a9@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> Now there is a new wave of more advanced technology.

> instead of trying to get results by sheer brute force (faster cpu more

> cores more ram more hdd space)

> new computers that are smarter with less processing power are coming out,

> some work with 2 watts.

>

> and new OS's that wont need all that cpu power are coming out.

> All part of the infinite cloud.

 

What makes you think it wont include windows?

>

> Your idea of advancement is so old, it must die.... Vista will die.. and I

> will be glad it will.

 

Why, what benefit do you get if vista is not available to people who want

it?

What is your motive?

>

> I guess you wont mind me calling you Mr.Dino...

 

OK Mr. Bean.

this is sad.. I do such imports for fun!

 

frank should stick with what he is good (which must not be very much) and

leave the computing to the geeks

 

 

"Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message

news:OkTIe%23FiIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> PotsOn wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>>

>>>>> 1) just post the URL, ok?

>>>>

>>>> you dont read urls franky poo, remember?

>>> You stupid dipsh*t loser. I never said I don't read articles, you moron.

>>> I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>>> Got it you idiot!

>>

>> So you copy and paste a URL link from a ng posting because you haven't

>> figured out how to set a default browser to launch a URL contained in a

>> ng

>> message? That's understandable with the low IQ you have.

>>

>> Cheers.

>

> Frank has a very old, not patched, not supported copy of Mozilla Mail/News

> that comes with the Mozilla Suite he downloaded years ago. This has been

> replaced with Sea Monkey and/or Firefox-Thunderbird but Frank is too

> stupid to upgrade because he thinks, erroneously, that Sea Monkey and/or

> Thunderbird won't import his garbage posts and newsgroups. The Mozilla

> Suite email/news program will ONLY open the Mozilla browser, even if you

> set another browser as the default, which Frank thinks isn't as safe as

> Internet Exploder 7. In short, Frank is technically impaired as well as a

> total low life who thinks that owning his one copy of Vista Basic on a

> crap computer he bought at some place like Best Buy gives him some kind of

> status symbol and bragging rights.

>

> Alias

"On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

news:47deb1c2$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> If vista was so secure as he would like to believe, then why doesnt he

> just click? lol

>

> He is afraid ... scared.. and all that because vista is not a secure

> platform.

 

He is being safe.. no computer is immune or 100% secure.

You are just an idiot for misleading people.

I am ok with people who know all about vista and want it.

 

I even advise people to get vista after I explain some stuff about it..

I always say now get a new computer with vista, not xp, but I make sure the

person understands all the implications.. and I discuss his / her work

habits and only if he she cannot use vista I say stay with XP.

 

I just dont want people to fall for vista thinking its more that it is.. or

will be some flawless experience

 

 

 

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

news:uD8uzlGiIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>

> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

> news:47de91a9@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> Now there is a new wave of more advanced technology.

>> instead of trying to get results by sheer brute force (faster cpu more

>> cores more ram more hdd space)

>> new computers that are smarter with less processing power are coming out,

>> some work with 2 watts.

>>

>> and new OS's that wont need all that cpu power are coming out.

>> All part of the infinite cloud.

>

> What makes you think it wont include windows?

>

>>

>> Your idea of advancement is so old, it must die.... Vista will die.. and

>> I will be glad it will.

>

> Why, what benefit do you get if vista is not available to people who want

> it?

> What is your motive?

>

>>

>> I guess you wont mind me calling you Mr.Dino...

>

> OK Mr. Bean.

>

>

>

i can run Linux without a firewall or antivirus for years...

 

the possibility of something going wrong is less than an airplane falling on

your head.

 

sure it can happen but its not likely

 

you are misleading people by implying that vista is as secure as Linux or

macosx

 

you are not even close....

 

 

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message

news:ODbecoGiIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

>

> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

> news:47deb1c2$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> If vista was so secure as he would like to believe, then why doesnt he

>> just click? lol

>>

>> He is afraid ... scared.. and all that because vista is not a secure

>> platform.

>

> He is being safe.. no computer is immune or 100% secure.

> You are just an idiot for misleading people.

>

>

>

"On the Bridge!" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

news:47de8718@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>

> it seems like they think that their own experience is better than US

> pros..

> yes me included... with over 25 years of computer experience, I know when

> an OS is POS.

 

Hahaha...what sort of 'pro' are you exactly?

 

If I count me using my dad's Apple ][ clone in the early 80's, I could say I

have 25 years of computer experience too, but that would be pretty sad. But

you are no way my age (33).

 

You are a GUI fiddling teenager! Don't deny it!!

 

ss.

have you seen microsofts vista specifications?

1 ghz and 512 mb ram they say as the least powerful configuration needed.

 

and that technology is 6 years old at least... since a 1.4 ghz cpu existed

in 2000

 

so who is dumb then???

 

 

 

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

news:%23NK9hSEiIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Kind of dumb to try to run a new os on a 6 year old machine. Enjoy Linux.

>

> "Administrator" <larsenvl@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:3B47F841-1580-425A-8868-058FB8DF0740@microsoft.com...

>> Wow, There needs to be an uprising of disgruntled vista

>> users and microsoft needs to fix the damn thing. (vista)

>> I am a college student and spent good money on updating my pc and also

>> bought a new laptop. Man, was that a mistake! My machine I built in

>> 2002 and has xp on it and runs so much better! I am so disappointed and

>> am investigating open source because I am sick of being at the mercy of

>> an OS that does not function properly.

>> vista sucks the big one! and I cannot even downgrade because they put

>> vista home pre. on the machines I bought. What crap! and thousands of

>> dollars later I have

>> an Os that I do not like! Microsoft better listen to us or linux will be

>> on the horizon and looming large!

>> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

>> news:47de8718@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/10_things_i_warned_microsoft_about_windows_vista.html

>>>

>>> this is an article by Joe Wilcox

>>> and he states:

>>> "I worked as an analyst when Microsoft developed Windows Vista. Execs

>>> asked for my advice, and they got it. Did they listen?"

>>>

>>> But of course the vistaboys and frank king of the apes, will just

>>> discredit him too...

>>> it seems like they think that their own experience is better than US

>>> pros..

>>> yes me included... with over 25 years of computer experience, I know

>>> when an OS is POS.

>>>

>>> let the mud flow freely for vista!

>>> let the truth shine, and THEN lets decide if we should use it or not...

>>> not get it shoved down our throughts in the dark (not mine but the

>>> average user)

>>>

>>> here is the text of the article

>>>

>>>

>>> The imminent real release of Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is reason

>>> enough to broach the question. SP1 is an important milestone for an

>>> operating system that bloggers and other critics consistently ridicule.

>>> Oh, yeah, the channel and enterprises aren't exactly loving Vista

>>> either.

>>> These 10 things are in no particular order of importance.

>>> 1. Windows Vista has to be a whole lot better than Windows XP. Microsoft

>>> had left XP in the market for a long time. That version of Windows had

>>> reached a certain "good enough" threshold, in part because of the

>>> stable, supporting ecosystem. Vista would have to be a whole lot better

>>> to drive upgrades in established markets. I received assurances that

>>> Vista would deliver on the promise, which was later accentuated in the

>>> "Wow" marketing. What happened: Vista wasn't better enough.

>>> 2. Vista will miss the big PC upgrade cycle. A major enterprise PC

>>> refresh cycle started in 2004 and continued through mid-2006. In early

>>> 2006, I warned Microsoft executives that Vista would ship too late. What

>>> happened: The major upgrade cycle wound down, but computer sales

>>> remained strong because of consumer upgrades and a massive shift to

>>> portables. So, Vista missed the big hardware refresh cycle but caught

>>> another one. However, in part because of #1, many businesses opted for

>>> Windows XP instead of Vista on those shiny, new notebooks.

>>> 3. Windows Vista Home Basic is too basic. I strongly recommended against

>>> Microsoft's releasing this version at any price. Microsoft executives

>>> insisted that OEMs wanted a low-cost Vista version for cheap PCs. But

>>> Basic offered less than Windows XP Home for about the same price. I

>>> called it a hidden price increase. What happened: There is limited

>>> demand for Home Basic.

>>> 4. Call it Windows Basic. Vista Home Basic was so defeatured, I strongly

>>> encouraged Microsoft to remove the Vista name from the product. I warned

>>> that Basic would tarnish the broader Vista brand and that its

>>> streamlined features put it in a lower category. I bet a Microsoft

>>> product manager $100 that Windows Basic would become the default

>>> nomenclature. What happened: Other problems affecting every Vista

>>> version, such as applications and drivers incompatibilities,

>>> overshadowed Basic's weak feature set. Oh yeah, I owe somebody at

>>> Microsoft 100 bucks. I don't recall who you are, but don't feel impish

>>> about collecting.

>>> 5. Vista reminds too much of Windows Me. In late 2006, I had dinner with

>>> some Vista user interface designers. By then, I had used Vista betas for

>>> nearly 10 months. They heard: There are two Microsoft operating systems

>>> that the more I used them the less I liked them-Windows Me and Windows

>>> Vista. While not my intention, the comment hugely insulted the UI

>>> designers, because of how much Windows Me is regarded, even within

>>> Microsoft, as a marketing failure. What happened: Some critics have

>>> described Vista as Windows Me II.

>>> 6. One Vista version is enough. I opposed Microsoft's Vista SKU strategy

>>> from the first presentation and, later, after some tweaking. I explained

>>> that Windows isn't toothpaste. Too many versions would confuse

>>> customers, creating an unnecessary impediment to Vista upgrades. How

>>> could Vista be perceived as better enough if the buying experience was

>>> more difficult than XP? I strongly advocated a one-version strategy, but

>>> with differentiated OEM pricing depending on features used by the

>>> hardware. I reasoned the approach would simplify Windows purchasing

>>> while encouraging greater PC differentiation. What happened: The OEM

>>> market has largely consolidated around a single version: Vista Home

>>> Premium for consumers. It's all Gateway sells, for example. Many

>>> enterprises are adopting Vista Enterprise, which is a volume

>>> licensing-only option.

>>> 7. It has to be multiple SKUs or Windows Experience Index, but not both.

>>> WEI would confuse Vista buyers because the ratings would contradict with

>>> some versions. For example, Vista Ultimate could conceivably ship on a

>>> notebook with WEI of 3.0 (out of a possible 5.9). Customers would ask:

>>> If it's so ultimate, why is the rating so slow? I liked the WEI concept

>>> more than the SKU strategy and recommended choosing only the ratings

>>> scheme. What happened: WEI ratings were low the first year on notebooks,

>>> even those with Vista Ultimate.

>>> 8. Vista demands too much. From my earliest product briefings, Microsoft

>>> executives carted around big honking laptops-luggables-to get enough

>>> processing and graphics power to run early Vista builds. I was told

>>> Vista would need less power closer to release. Nope. I got my first

>>> Vista test system in February 2006. WEI: 2.0, on above-average hardware.

>>> What happened: OEMs shipped computers underpowered for Vista, even

>>> through holiday 2007. The operating system demands too much from even

>>> modestly older hardware.

>>> 9. Windows Vista Capable is a bad idea. Why could Microsoft possibly

>>> need two Vista logo programs? The connotations around Capable and Ready

>>> were either too alike or too confusing. I said that there should be one

>>> program for which everything truly was ready. Unfortunately, Microsoft

>>> didn't consult me on the logo programs, so I gave my advice after the

>>> Capable logo announcement. What happened: A Vista Capable class-action

>>> lawsuit revealed embarrassing Microsoft e-mails about Windows Vista

>>> decision-making processes-or lack of them.

>>> 10. Vista security features increase complexity, decrease usability. Oh,

>>> I was a loud critic of UAC (User Account Control) and Internet Explorer

>>> warnings. I argued that Microsoft had made Vista much harder to use than

>>> Windows XP. The experience would be worse for many users. Going back to

>>> #1, Vista had to be a lot better, not perceptually worse. What happened:

>>> UAC warnings hurt usability but caused more troubles new user rights

>>> mechanism broke many applications.

>>>

>>

>

"On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

news:47ded194$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>i can run Linux without a firewall or antivirus for years...

 

Good for you. I'll see your anecdotal evidence and raise you one. I know

people who have used Windows for years with no AV or firewall. I myself

never used a firewall until I got a wireless router. I still have no AV

software on my personal machines.

 

The only way to get a virus these days is by still being stupid enough to

click on every internet popup window that volunteers to "speed up your

computer" if you will just download this great utility! Or by blindly

clicking on email attachments. Common sense will prevent malware

infections.

On the Bridge! (An idiot!) wrote:

> I am ok with people who know all about vista and want it.

 

Just who the fukk do you think you are?

You're an idiot!

>

> I even advise people to get vista after I explain some stuff about it..

 

Oh, that must be hilarious...LOL!

> I always say now get a new computer with vista, not xp, but I make sure the

> person understands all the implications.. and I discuss his / her work

> habits and only if he she cannot use vista I say stay with XP.

 

You do this in front of a mirror, right?

>

> I just dont want people to fall for vista thinking its more that it is.. or

> will be some flawless experience

 

How wonderful of you.

Frank

>

"On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

news:47ded51e@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> have you seen microsofts vista specifications?

> 1 ghz and 512 mb ram they say as the least powerful configuration needed.

>

> and that technology is 6 years old at least... since a 1.4 ghz cpu existed

> in 2000

>

> so who is dumb then???

>

 

You!

>

>

> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> news:%23NK9hSEiIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Kind of dumb to try to run a new os on a 6 year old machine. Enjoy

>> Linux.

>>

>> "Administrator" <larsenvl@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:3B47F841-1580-425A-8868-058FB8DF0740@microsoft.com...

>>> Wow, There needs to be an uprising of disgruntled vista

>>> users and microsoft needs to fix the damn thing. (vista)

>>> I am a college student and spent good money on updating my pc and also

>>> bought a new laptop. Man, was that a mistake! My machine I built in

>>> 2002 and has xp on it and runs so much better! I am so disappointed and

>>> am investigating open source because I am sick of being at the mercy of

>>> an OS that does not function properly.

>>> vista sucks the big one! and I cannot even downgrade because they put

>>> vista home pre. on the machines I bought. What crap! and thousands of

>>> dollars later I have

>>> an Os that I do not like! Microsoft better listen to us or linux will

>>> be on the horizon and looming large!

>>> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

>>> news:47de8718@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>>>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/10_things_i_warned_microsoft_about_windows_vista.html

>>>>

>>>> this is an article by Joe Wilcox

>>>> and he states:

>>>> "I worked as an analyst when Microsoft developed Windows Vista. Execs

>>>> asked for my advice, and they got it. Did they listen?"

>>>>

>>>> But of course the vistaboys and frank king of the apes, will just

>>>> discredit him too...

>>>> it seems like they think that their own experience is better than US

>>>> pros..

>>>> yes me included... with over 25 years of computer experience, I know

>>>> when an OS is POS.

>>>>

>>>> let the mud flow freely for vista!

>>>> let the truth shine, and THEN lets decide if we should use it or not...

>>>> not get it shoved down our throughts in the dark (not mine but the

>>>> average user)

>>>>

>>>> here is the text of the article

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The imminent real release of Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is reason

>>>> enough to broach the question. SP1 is an important milestone for an

>>>> operating system that bloggers and other critics consistently ridicule.

>>>> Oh, yeah, the channel and enterprises aren't exactly loving Vista

>>>> either.

>>>> These 10 things are in no particular order of importance.

>>>> 1. Windows Vista has to be a whole lot better than Windows XP.

>>>> Microsoft had left XP in the market for a long time. That version of

>>>> Windows had reached a certain "good enough" threshold, in part because

>>>> of the stable, supporting ecosystem. Vista would have to be a whole lot

>>>> better to drive upgrades in established markets. I received assurances

>>>> that Vista would deliver on the promise, which was later accentuated in

>>>> the "Wow" marketing. What happened: Vista wasn't better enough.

>>>> 2. Vista will miss the big PC upgrade cycle. A major enterprise PC

>>>> refresh cycle started in 2004 and continued through mid-2006. In early

>>>> 2006, I warned Microsoft executives that Vista would ship too late.

>>>> What happened: The major upgrade cycle wound down, but computer sales

>>>> remained strong because of consumer upgrades and a massive shift to

>>>> portables. So, Vista missed the big hardware refresh cycle but caught

>>>> another one. However, in part because of #1, many businesses opted for

>>>> Windows XP instead of Vista on those shiny, new notebooks.

>>>> 3. Windows Vista Home Basic is too basic. I strongly recommended

>>>> against Microsoft's releasing this version at any price. Microsoft

>>>> executives insisted that OEMs wanted a low-cost Vista version for cheap

>>>> PCs. But Basic offered less than Windows XP Home for about the same

>>>> price. I called it a hidden price increase. What happened: There is

>>>> limited demand for Home Basic.

>>>> 4. Call it Windows Basic. Vista Home Basic was so defeatured, I

>>>> strongly encouraged Microsoft to remove the Vista name from the

>>>> product. I warned that Basic would tarnish the broader Vista brand and

>>>> that its streamlined features put it in a lower category. I bet a

>>>> Microsoft product manager $100 that Windows Basic would become the

>>>> default nomenclature. What happened: Other problems affecting every

>>>> Vista version, such as applications and drivers incompatibilities,

>>>> overshadowed Basic's weak feature set. Oh yeah, I owe somebody at

>>>> Microsoft 100 bucks. I don't recall who you are, but don't feel impish

>>>> about collecting.

>>>> 5. Vista reminds too much of Windows Me. In late 2006, I had dinner

>>>> with some Vista user interface designers. By then, I had used Vista

>>>> betas for nearly 10 months. They heard: There are two Microsoft

>>>> operating systems that the more I used them the less I liked

>>>> them-Windows Me and Windows Vista. While not my intention, the comment

>>>> hugely insulted the UI designers, because of how much Windows Me is

>>>> regarded, even within Microsoft, as a marketing failure. What happened:

>>>> Some critics have described Vista as Windows Me II.

>>>> 6. One Vista version is enough. I opposed Microsoft's Vista SKU

>>>> strategy from the first presentation and, later, after some tweaking. I

>>>> explained that Windows isn't toothpaste. Too many versions would

>>>> confuse customers, creating an unnecessary impediment to Vista

>>>> upgrades. How could Vista be perceived as better enough if the buying

>>>> experience was more difficult than XP? I strongly advocated a

>>>> one-version strategy, but with differentiated OEM pricing depending on

>>>> features used by the hardware. I reasoned the approach would simplify

>>>> Windows purchasing while encouraging greater PC differentiation. What

>>>> happened: The OEM market has largely consolidated around a single

>>>> version: Vista Home Premium for consumers. It's all Gateway sells, for

>>>> example. Many enterprises are adopting Vista Enterprise, which is a

>>>> volume licensing-only option.

>>>> 7. It has to be multiple SKUs or Windows Experience Index, but not

>>>> both. WEI would confuse Vista buyers because the ratings would

>>>> contradict with some versions. For example, Vista Ultimate could

>>>> conceivably ship on a notebook with WEI of 3.0 (out of a possible 5.9).

>>>> Customers would ask: If it's so ultimate, why is the rating so slow? I

>>>> liked the WEI concept more than the SKU strategy and recommended

>>>> choosing only the ratings scheme. What happened: WEI ratings were low

>>>> the first year on notebooks, even those with Vista Ultimate.

>>>> 8. Vista demands too much. From my earliest product briefings,

>>>> Microsoft executives carted around big honking laptops-luggables-to get

>>>> enough processing and graphics power to run early Vista builds. I was

>>>> told Vista would need less power closer to release. Nope. I got my

>>>> first Vista test system in February 2006. WEI: 2.0, on above-average

>>>> hardware. What happened: OEMs shipped computers underpowered for Vista,

>>>> even through holiday 2007. The operating system demands too much from

>>>> even modestly older hardware.

>>>> 9. Windows Vista Capable is a bad idea. Why could Microsoft possibly

>>>> need two Vista logo programs? The connotations around Capable and Ready

>>>> were either too alike or too confusing. I said that there should be one

>>>> program for which everything truly was ready. Unfortunately, Microsoft

>>>> didn't consult me on the logo programs, so I gave my advice after the

>>>> Capable logo announcement. What happened: A Vista Capable class-action

>>>> lawsuit revealed embarrassing Microsoft e-mails about Windows Vista

>>>> decision-making processes-or lack of them.

>>>> 10. Vista security features increase complexity, decrease usability.

>>>> Oh, I was a loud critic of UAC (User Account Control) and Internet

>>>> Explorer warnings. I argued that Microsoft had made Vista much harder

>>>> to use than Windows XP. The experience would be worse for many users.

>>>> Going back to #1, Vista had to be a lot better, not perceptually worse.

>>>> What happened: UAC warnings hurt usability but caused more troubles

>>>> new user rights mechanism broke many applications.

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

On the Bridge! (An idiot) wrote:

> I challenge you let someone who is neutral post 100 questions about vista,

> and lets see who will reply better,

> me or you... lol

 

You moron...all you do is to google for others.

>

> you dont have a chance... lol

>

hehehe...hey nut job...I've got all 17 Vista Ultimate installs x32 & x64

running properly. You on the other hand can't even get one little

install of Vista to run properly.

You've already lost...LOL!

Frank

On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

> this is sad.. I do such imports for fun!

 

You do them for attention...stop lying.

>

> frank should stick with what he is good (which must not be very much) and

> leave the computing to the geeks

>

Well that certainly eliminates your ignorant ass!

Frank

Gerry Atricks wrote:

> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

> news:47deb21a$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>

>>Frank thinks 17 machines is some big number.. lol

>>some of us make that many installs in a week

>>

>

>

> OK, so you do more than 17 Vista installs per week. Which Best Buy do you

> work at? Did you get your name patch on your shirt?

>

>

>>"PotsOn" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>news:frmamk11u9i@news2.newsguy.com...

>>

>>>Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>On the Bridge! wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>...let me give you a piece of advice capin' crunch.

>>>>Next time do two things:

>>>>

>>>>1) just post the URL, ok?

>>>>2) read the fukkin article!

>>>>

>>>>Then we can discuss the likes and dislikes about the FUNCTIONAL parts of

>>>>Vista.

>>>>The marketing of Vista is history...it is what it is. Basic,Premium,

>>>>Business, Ultimate...exists...nothing you or joe can say will change

>>>>that fact. Playing Monday morning quarterback about marketing is merely

>>>>flapping your jaws.

>>>>Got it?

>>>>Oh and if you have so GD much experience with computers please tell us

>>>>why you can't seem to get one little fukkin install of Vista to run

>>>>properly. huh?

>>>>Whereas I have 17 installs of Vista running properly!

>>>>Does that make me smarter than you?...LOL!

>>>>Well...?

>>>>Frank

>>>

>>>Your installs seem to be increasing daily. That marketing company must be

>>>REALLY growing! Another Microsoft in the making, headed by another Monkey

>>>Boy. Now, "will that be fries with your order?".

>>>

>>>Cheers you pathetic pos.

>>>

>>>

>>>--

>>>What does Bill Gates use?

>>>http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>

>>>Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>

>>>Microsoft Is Watching YOU: http://tinyurl.com/2ptclh

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

hehehe...good one! The back of his t-shirt says..."kick me, I need to

get started"...LOL!

Frank

an MVP upgrade?

 

"On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade)" <On@the,bridge> wrote in message

news:47dece61@newsgate.x-privat.org...

> this is sad.. I do such imports for fun!

 

Come on now, you added MVP upgrade to your SIG? I think you got confused.

Take the cereal box back to the grocery store and ask for a different box.

Maybe the new box will have a different prize.

 

>

> frank should stick with what he is good (which must not be very much) and

> leave the computing to the geeks

>

>

> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OkTIe%23FiIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> PotsOn wrote:

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> On the Bridge! (An MVP upgrade) wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>> 1) just post the URL, ok?

>>>>>

>>>>> you dont read urls franky poo, remember?

>>>> You stupid dipsh*t loser. I never said I don't read articles, you

>>>> moron.

>>>> I said I don't click on URL's in ng's.

>>>> Got it you idiot!

>>>

>>> So you copy and paste a URL link from a ng posting because you haven't

>>> figured out how to set a default browser to launch a URL contained in a

>>> ng

>>> message? That's understandable with the low IQ you have.

>>>

>>> Cheers.

>>

>> Frank has a very old, not patched, not supported copy of Mozilla

>> Mail/News that comes with the Mozilla Suite he downloaded years ago. This

>> has been replaced with Sea Monkey and/or Firefox-Thunderbird but Frank is

>> too stupid to upgrade because he thinks, erroneously, that Sea Monkey

>> and/or Thunderbird won't import his garbage posts and newsgroups. The

>> Mozilla Suite email/news program will ONLY open the Mozilla browser, even

>> if you set another browser as the default, which Frank thinks isn't as

>> safe as Internet Exploder 7. In short, Frank is technically impaired as

>> well as a total low life who thinks that owning his one copy of Vista

>> Basic on a crap computer he bought at some place like Best Buy gives him

>> some kind of status symbol and bragging rights.

>>

>> Alias

>

>

glad to see that you are venting all your hate just like your doctor told

you.

 

But your doc is not correct... calling people names in newsgroups does not

make things better, its an addictive behaviour that you have grown to like.

Sure he thought that it would help you release some of that internal anger

that is eating you up....

 

but the more you do it, the more hate and anger you have the next time. Its

destructive for you frank.

 

I suggest you study some books about addiction, and anger managment, since

your doc is not giving you good advice.

 

 

 

 

"Frank" <fab@notspam.com> wrote in message

news:eWbVQ7GiIHA.2416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> On the Bridge! (An idiot!) wrote:

>

>> I am ok with people who know all about vista and want it.

>

> Just who the fukk do you think you are?

> You're an idiot!

>>

>> I even advise people to get vista after I explain some stuff about it..

>

> Oh, that must be hilarious...LOL!

>

>> I always say now get a new computer with vista, not xp, but I make sure

>> the person understands all the implications.. and I discuss his / her

>> work habits and only if he she cannot use vista I say stay with XP.

>

> You do this in front of a mirror, right?

>>

>> I just dont want people to fall for vista thinking its more that it is..

>> or will be some flawless experience

>

> How wonderful of you.

> Frank

>>