Re: Michael Moore's Sicko

August 26, 200717 yr

johngood_____ wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.2105b9cfa26e43219897a4@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> In article <u0QaJ77xHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>>> Trying to trot out a straw man again, eh? Address the fact that over 40

>>> million US citizens have no health coverage if you can. The current

>>> advances in medicine are not coming from the USA but Europe. The fact

>>> that some Saudi Sheik who is having is ass kissed by Bush comes to the

>>> USA to put him or herself at the front of the line for transplants

>>> doesn't give the US health system much credibility.

>> LOL, they were coming here before Bush, long before it, as were many

>> other countries people.

>>

>> As for health care being offered to the masses, LOL, you get what you

>> work for. From what I've seen and read, except for the basics, there is

>> no quality health care in the mass-system in any country, only the rich

>> get quality care that involves anything serious - unless you are willing

>> to wait for a very long time.

>

> i'm 62 years old, from the U.K. (thats in europe). I've never been a high

> earner. after suffering angina two years ago i was diagnose with a heart

> condition. very shortly after I was given a 'quadruple heart bypass'. it

> cost nothing. and all my ongoing medications are free. national health

> service....we love them. all doctors appointments are free, all

> medications are free (older than 60 yrs), all referrals to consultants are

> free and any subsequent operations or hospital care is yep you guessed it

> ...free.

>

> the funny thing is that the u.k. doesn't rate compared with the u.s. in

> terms of wealth. something wrong somewhere?

>

Well I am from the UK but have been in Iowa since 2000 and had similar

problems. While the similar treatment was not "Free" I can't complain

about the cost, should have been around $68,000 and I think all told

cost about $1000, but the insurance my employer uses is quite good.

The problem may be something to do with "Attitude" though. Many

Americans think "Europeans" are lazy because they negotiate shorter

working hours as part of their reward package, yet it's only the same as

a pay raise which Americans accept as being legit. Now I don't mean to

offend anyone here, it is not malicious it is just an "Accepted" fact of

life that hours are longer and vacations (2 weeks / year) are shorter,

and quite why trying to better that equates to "Lazy" I do not know.

It is a fact that Americans accept things more than we would, for

example the "City" expects us to clear our own snow whilst in the UK

someone would be on the phone to the council. There are other things

too, so while "We" might begin with the impression that Americans are

perhaps spoiled and lazy in fact it's the other way around. You see

people with their big cars and air conditioning etc and thing they don't

need those things but you could easily become sick from being in a car

with the temperatures here (Or dead in winter) and most Americans travel

3 times farther to and from work because distances are greater. Delivery

is expensive so most haul their own stuff around. There are a great many

similarities but some differences that one might not expect.

As for health care there ain't nothin' going to get cheaper there while

the F% politicians get theirs free.

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August 26, 200717 yr

Charlie Lame Brains wrote:

>

> Well I am from the UK but have been in Iowa since 2000.

<I am going to call the FBI to see if you can't be deported as a

terrorist. US Immigration should have never let you into the US.>

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Adam Count Dracula's Son Albright wrote:

> Charlie Lame Brains wrote:

>>

>> Well I am from the UK but have been in Iowa since 2000.

>

> <I am going to call the FBI to see if you can't be deported as a

> terrorist. US Immigration should have never let you into the US.>

Why not, they let you out of the hospital didn't they?

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August 26, 200717 yr

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Adam Count Dracula's Son Albright wrote:

>> Charlie Lame Brains wrote:

>>>

>>> Well I am from the UK but have been in Iowa since 2000.

>>

>> <I am going to call the FBI to see if you can't be deported as a

>> terrorist. US Immigration should have never let you into the US.>

>

> Why not, they let you out of the hospital didn't they?

<I disguised myself as your doctor that did your operation. I should

have taken you out, still collected the $68K, and then left, saving the

FBI trouble. :)>

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August 26, 200717 yr

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:19:38 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

wrote:

>It is a fact that Americans accept things more than we would, for

>example the "City" expects us to clear our own snow whilst in the UK

>someone would be on the phone to the council.

Actually this has changed a lot in the past few decades. I grew up in

Chicago in the 50's. Back then and until Chicago had a record breaking

snow storm in 1967 when we got nearly two feet of snow in one storm

the city would only plow main streets, NEVER touching side streets or

alleys. Now, nearly every town where snow is expected in winter, the

authorities plow all streets, even alleys in Chicago (for garbage

trucks) and in the suburbs people are on the phone complaining if they

don't do it fast enough. -)

http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/snowstorms.html

Same thing with leaf pickup. When I was a kid everyone just raked

leaves to the curb and burned them. Not that great an idea for air

quality but common practice. Now most towns make several trips through

neighborhoods, where I live 3 times, and haul them away. Ditto for

tree trimming in both spring and fall. Again NEVER in the "good old

days", but now such things are demanded.

Now if you want a laugh how absurd things are, I live in an affluent

town where a lot of people are obsessive about keeping their property

up. How obsessive? There is actually a law on the books that you MUST

trim your grass and keep it under a certain height. And yep, the town

has a patrol that not only monitors if you are watering your lawn

illegally (strict even/odd plus time limits) but will issue a ticket

if your grass is too high, you got weeds, your fence is leaning or a

section is missing or loose, kid's toys, bikes left outside overnight,

garage door left open, stuff like that. I'm not kidding.

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August 26, 200717 yr

I once got a notice that I left my garage door slightly open at the bottom

to allow cat to come and go. We have a code that garage doors are to be

closed unless you are physically in the garage.

So, if I drop dead due to lack of health care, I guess my last effort had

best be to close the garage door!

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:19:38 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

> wrote:

>

>>It is a fact that Americans accept things more than we would, for

>>example the "City" expects us to clear our own snow whilst in the UK

>>someone would be on the phone to the council.

>

> Actually this has changed a lot in the past few decades. I grew up in

> Chicago in the 50's. Back then and until Chicago had a record breaking

> snow storm in 1967 when we got nearly two feet of snow in one storm

> the city would only plow main streets, NEVER touching side streets or

> alleys. Now, nearly every town where snow is expected in winter, the

> authorities plow all streets, even alleys in Chicago (for garbage

> trucks) and in the suburbs people are on the phone complaining if they

> don't do it fast enough. -)

>

> http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/snowstorms.html

>

> Same thing with leaf pickup. When I was a kid everyone just raked

> leaves to the curb and burned them. Not that great an idea for air

> quality but common practice. Now most towns make several trips through

> neighborhoods, where I live 3 times, and haul them away. Ditto for

> tree trimming in both spring and fall. Again NEVER in the "good old

> days", but now such things are demanded.

>

> Now if you want a laugh how absurd things are, I live in an affluent

> town where a lot of people are obsessive about keeping their property

> up. How obsessive? There is actually a law on the books that you MUST

> trim your grass and keep it under a certain height. And yep, the town

> has a patrol that not only monitors if you are watering your lawn

> illegally (strict even/odd plus time limits) but will issue a ticket

> if your grass is too high, you got weeds, your fence is leaning or a

> section is missing or loose, kid's toys, bikes left outside overnight,

> garage door left open, stuff like that. I'm not kidding.

>

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August 26, 200717 yr

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:19:38 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>

> wrote:

>

>> It is a fact that Americans accept things more than we would, for

>> example the "City" expects us to clear our own snow whilst in the UK

>> someone would be on the phone to the council.