Right On. Like Bill O'Reilly says " He is drinking way to much coolaide". Or

he don't know squat about Vista, so aims at politics.

 

"Ian Betts" wrote:

> Go to a political list with this, it has no place here.

>

> --

> Ian

>

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.2106f55e457e8a509897c0@adfree.Usenet.com...

> > In article <ae8q93dpgto06aev25tnaeriuevr5boo2c@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

> > says...

> >> Everything you said so far is based on that fallacy therefore you're

> >> seen as nothing but a kook.

> >>

> > LOL

> >

> > So, explain to me why the masses of Poor are poor, and I'm not talking

> > about the Disabled and children under the age of 18?

> >

> > Now, explain to me how poor can be helped to become not poor?

> >

> > If you really believe what you are saying then it should be very easy to

> > clearly define why the capable poor are poor still and what it would

> > take to elevate them out of being poor.

> >

> > --

> >

> > Leythos

> > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

> > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

> > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

> > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

> >

DanS wrote:

> "Cal Bear '66" <xxx@xxx.org> wrote in

> news:5E76B31E-733A-4966-A39B-B3CA63BDB96C@microsoft.com:

>

>> God forbid you never have an accident or an illness that incapacitates

>> you and you are unable to work due to NO fault of your own.

>

> I don't think this was the intention of Leythos' statements.

>

>>

>> Racism, sexism, homophobia, religious discrimination, etc. prevent

>> many, many people from attaining their full potential.

>

> And, if I recall, discrimination of those types is illegal in the US.

>

> As it is where someone else in this thread said they went to a hospital to

> have a baby delivered, but had no insurance so they were turned down. This

> is completely illegal in the US. A hospital can not refuse medical

> services because you have no insurance. (I'm not saying it doesn't happen,

> just that it is illegal to do so.)

>

>> You are a very shallow, unempathetic, and mean spirited little man.

>

> I wouldn't say that at all.....everyone's entitled to their opinions.

 

Of course, including those opinions that are shallow, unempathetic and mean

spirited. So what's your opinion of people with those kinds of opinions?

 

Shake Hands With,

Mr. Happy

 

--

Would you purchase an os from this man?

.... and he hasn't really changed

"> Amazing how many weak minded little twits need to edit what the other

> guy said in some feeble attempt to make a point.

 

 

 

HEH!

 

Oh the IRONY )

 

shake hands with Michael Moore, yer two of a kind )

 

thanks for making my day

 

 

 

Rich

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:48:19 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.

Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote:

>You need to cut Adam HopaLong loose. He just runs around looking to duel, as

>he rides in on his little broom he calls Silver with his size two shoes

>hopelessly trying to kick some behind. That's what the boy lives for. :)

 

I expose the dummies in this group for what they are. Live with it.

In article <miuq93hl6qn1apjhbchgd7v583qrmvevou@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

> I expose the dummies in this group for what they are. Live with it.

 

LOL, and you've exposed yourself quite well.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.2107480736cf06709897ca@adfree.Usenet.com...

> In article <miuq93hl6qn1apjhbchgd7v583qrmvevou@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

> says...

>> I expose the dummies in this group for what they are. Live with it.

>

> LOL, and you've exposed yourself quite well.

>

 

<VBG> and I thought Troll24 was bad, if you know what I mean.

 

He needs to be locked-up.

Leythos wrote:

> In article <#ZdISmByHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> vista_ultimate_fan@hotmail.com says...

> > In this economy this price is viewed as VERY expensive. Most

> > locals utilize a midwife and deliver the baby at home for a fraction of my

> > quoted price.

>

> So, it would be out of reach for many locals in that country - unless

> they worked hard to have more money - much like in America.

>

 

"You work three jobs? ... Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is

fantastic that you're doing that." -President George W. Bush, to a

divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

Leythos wrote:

> In article <OQhl2i7xHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

> > Fact is that the US health system is one of the worst in the world,

> > profit orientated and not patient orientated. How a country can call

> > itself "first world" when over 40 million of its citizens have no health

> > coverage is beyond comprehension.

>

> They why to people from most civilized countries come to the USA for

> serious medical treatment?

>

 

They why do 'hard working' Americans get misdiagnosed, get hacked up

while being near death because of the mis-diagnosis of a tummy ache,

where the hacking would have otherwise been minimal.

 

Get surgery tools left inside them and then get hacked up again to

remove the tools in another near death situation and get charged tens

of thousand of dollars 'plus expenses.'

 

Id this what serious medl treatmnt is?

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

news:qteq93d08r099m1imj24hceb59s9rdtvch@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:34 -0500, DanS

> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>

>>Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

>>news:MPG.2106f590c24f0a909897c1@adfree.Usenet.com:

>>

>>> Maybe you should read EXACTLY what I type instead of trying to read

>>> more into it than I typed.

>>

>>Ain't it the truth......

>

> Truth? What would an obvious right winger like Leythos know about the

> truth?

>

 

That's the whole thing I don't understand.

 

I don't know right-wing or left-wing. The whole concept of politics is

convoluted to me. I have no idea what makes you left or right.

 

I thought that the government was supposed to be 'for the people'. Not one-

half of it for big-businesses and conglomerates, and the other-half

supports whatever, it's just stupid.

"Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

news:1184724065.78617@netadmin1.interbaun.net:

>>

>>> You are a very shallow, unempathetic, and mean spirited little man.

>>

>> I wouldn't say that at all.....everyone's entitled to their opinions.

>

> Of course, including those opinions that are shallow, unempathetic

> and mean spirited. So what's your opinion of people with those kinds

> of opinions?

 

I find it difficult to form opinions about people I've never met personally

and have no knowledge of their life history (first-hand or otherwise) and

how they got there.

 

Everyone's got a story.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:25:51 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

>news:qteq93d08r099m1imj24hceb59s9rdtvch@4ax.com:

>

>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:34 -0500, DanS

>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>>

>>>Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

>>>news:MPG.2106f590c24f0a909897c1@adfree.Usenet.com:

>>>

>>>> Maybe you should read EXACTLY what I type instead of trying to read

>>>> more into it than I typed.

>>>

>>>Ain't it the truth......

>>

>> Truth? What would an obvious right winger like Leythos know about the

>> truth?

>>

>

>That's the whole thing I don't understand.

>

>I don't know right-wing or left-wing. The whole concept of politics is

>convoluted to me. I have no idea what makes you left or right.

>

>I thought that the government was supposed to be 'for the people'. Not one-

>half of it for big-businesses and conglomerates, and the other-half

>supports whatever, it's just stupid.

 

Absolutely, the whole political process in America has become stupid.

It is generally considered you are right leaning if you're

conservative, and left if you're liberal. Many people like me, have

both conservative and liberal views, depending on topic. As far as the

current crop of politicians, would love to see a "none of the above"

option on ballots.

Adam Albright wrote:

>> For 90% of Americans, the system works.

>

> LOL! Right, I guess you think Bush's Iraq war is working too. While

> we're on that topic most estimates now show that Bush's Iraq war will

> cost American taxpayers over a trillion dollars and that doesn't

> include the cost to replace all the damaged or blown up equipment.

>

> While I'm not for socialized medicine if a country can throw away a

> trillion dollars killing people, it sure damn well can afford to offer

> basic health care to it's citizens. It won't be free, but it may start

> to rain in the out of control medical industry.

 

I, too, am unhappy with spending trillions to kill people. Unfortunately,

the people who need killing won't cooperate! Heck, they won't even fight

fairly! No, if only the scrots would stand in the middle of the road with

their AK-47s against our Abrams tanks, we could settle this hash

mano-a-mano.

 

And, if we kill enough of the goblins, our need for health care won't be as

great in the future (as in treatment for poison gas attacks, collapsed

buildings, etc.).

 

As to whether we could "afford" universal health care, sure we could. Cost

has never been the issue. The government could nationalize any industry it

wants: steel, railroads, Baskin-Robbins shops.

>>

>> Comparisons between systems are often difficult because the

>> demographic groups involved can skew the results and opinions are

>> often based on ancedotal or one-off examples.

>>

>> But two facts that come to mind.

>>

>> There are more MRI machines in Seattle (pop: 563,000) than in all of

>> Canada (33 million).

>

> Have a MRI lately? They are insanely expensive. Why? Because the cost

> gets passed to the insurance companies which you end up paying in

> premiums or your employer does. Those needing a MRI that don't have

> basic health insurance pay through the nose because the prices are

> grossly inflated. Want to know WHY there are so many MRI machines and

> CAT scanners in American hospitals? They are money making machines

> that rake in huge amounts of cash for hospitals. Of course charging

> $10 for an aspirin isn't bad either.

 

Agreed. But the alternative to an "expensive" MRI is doing without. If, as a

result of an "expensive" MRI, one can walk or be without pain three years

sooner, the "cost" may be a bargain.

 

Further, if MRI machines were cheap, heck, there'd be one in every Canadian

waiting room.

Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in news:MPG.210698b049d7720e9897b4

@adfree.Usenet.com:

>> Why can't over 40 million Americans afford health care?

>

> I would guess that it's because they don't feel the need to work hard

> enough to afford it, that they can always go the the ER because they

> can't be denied treatment in an emergency, because the Left has pushed

> that they deserve handouts and that you don't need to work for what you

> get....

 

Well, I was trying to not say your opinions are wrong, but the statement

above is just wrong.

 

The fact that treatment can't be denied in an emergency has nothing to do

with handouts.

 

It has to do with the fact that emercency medical care should be/not be

provided based on income or the ability to pay.

 

So what you are saying is that un-insured people wil go to the ER, recieve

treatment, a pat on the back, and then be sent on their way.

 

We'll I've never been in that situation, I'm sure it can't work that way.

You will be billed, over and over again, by the hospital, and when you

don't pay, your bill will be turned over to collections. When you still

don't pay, it will be written off by the hospital, and in turn your credit

ruined, which matters very little anyway to the really poor.

 

You are still held responsible for payment.

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

news:8gjq93p8hbjl5h3121g9vun426o2hbubtr@4ax.com:

> Tell you what, I have a uncle in California that runs a produce farm.

> While most of the workers are Mexican, I'm sure they would welcome you

> with open arms especially after you tell them they don't work hard and

> they're lazy and rather dumb.

>

> I can give my uncle a call and I'm sure he'll be happy to give you a

> job working out in the fields in 120 degree heat harvesting lettuce or

> maybe you rather pick cabbage. Job doesn't pay much, but if you want

> to scrap enough together to pay your health insurance premium I'm sure

> my uncle will let you work a second shift and maybe he'll even give

> you a little more if you work on Sundays too. We got a deal?

 

Are they illegal aliens ?

 

Are they paid a minimum wage ?

 

Have taxes withheld ?

 

Illegal aliens deserve nothing from us or our government. Period.

DanS wrote:

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

> news:8gjq93p8hbjl5h3121g9vun426o2hbubtr@4ax.com:

>

>> Tell you what, I have a uncle in California that runs a produce farm.

>> While most of the workers are Mexican, I'm sure they would welcome you

>> with open arms especially after you tell them they don't work hard and

>> they're lazy and rather dumb.

>>

>> I can give my uncle a call and I'm sure he'll be happy to give you a

>> job working out in the fields in 120 degree heat harvesting lettuce or

>> maybe you rather pick cabbage. Job doesn't pay much, but if you want

>> to scrap enough together to pay your health insurance premium I'm sure

>> my uncle will let you work a second shift and maybe he'll even give

>> you a little more if you work on Sundays too. We got a deal?

>

> Are they illegal aliens ?

>

> Are they paid a minimum wage ?

>

> Have taxes withheld ?

>

> Illegal aliens deserve nothing from us or our government. Period.

>

>

>

 

Your compassion is overwhelming. Would you rather that the Mexicans do

to you what your forefathers did to the Native Americans?

 

Alias

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

news:0diq93d5bi2kdd75a7mgk0ia9lromjh0jd@4ax.com:

> For filthy rich fat cat right wing SOB's like Dickey boy Cheney to pay

> their fair share of taxes and not get windfall tax breaks. Then maybe

> more "poor" workers could afford to buy health insurance.

 

Interestingly enough, see this:

 

http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js1287.htm

 

I know it's old, but I'm sure the numbers are similar.

 

To summarize, the richest 1% of taxpayers pay over 1/3 of the income

taxes in this country.

 

Also, the top 50% of taxpayers pay well over 90% of all personal income

taxes.

 

Adam, you are probably also not familiar with the federal 'Earned Income

Credit' ? This is a giant benefit to lower-income taxpayers. It's a

refundable tax credit to benefit single parents mostly, of which we know

is a huge group. For many, the EIC wipes out their federal tax laibility,

and can usually result in a giant tax return. Example, a worker that is

eligible for the EIC makes $8000/yr., and has paid $500 in federal taxes

thru paycheck deductions.

 

With an AGI of $8000, the federal tax liability is $803. If you qualify

for the EIC, with one child, your EIC is $2729. That is refundable. That

means this worker, that has earned $8000 and only paid in $500, will

receive a federal tax refund of $2426. ($2729 EIC + $500 (payroll

deductions) - $803, their tax liability.

 

That $8000 just turned into over $10,000 just based on the EIC alone.

 

THE GOVERNMENT JUST PAID THAT WORKER OVER $2000 TAX FREE TO EARN $8000.

DanS wrote:

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

> news:8gjq93p8hbjl5h3121g9vun426o2hbubtr@4ax.com:

>

>> Tell you what, I have a uncle in California that runs a produce farm.

>> While most of the workers are Mexican, I'm sure they would welcome you

>> with open arms especially after you tell them they don't work hard and

>> they're lazy and rather dumb.

>>

>> I can give my uncle a call and I'm sure he'll be happy to give you a

>> job working out in the fields in 120 degree heat harvesting lettuce or

>> maybe you rather pick cabbage. Job doesn't pay much, but if you want

>> to scrap enough together to pay your health insurance premium I'm sure

>> my uncle will let you work a second shift and maybe he'll even give

>> you a little more if you work on Sundays too. We got a deal?

>

> Are they illegal aliens ?

>

> Are they paid a minimum wage ?

>

> Have taxes withheld ?

>

> Illegal aliens deserve nothing from us or our government. Period.

 

Rightwing nutcases like you and Lou Dobbs just refuse to connect the dots on

this whole question. There's a constant tirade about how illegal aliens

contribute nothing but bleed the resources of the USA by costing taxpayers

money to educate their children, etc. etc.

 

What is missing from this equation is the monetary contribution these

illegal aliens make, that more than balances off the related costs. Simply

look at the food industry. If there weren't illegal aliens working the

fields and orchards in the US, your food costs would rise SUBSTANTIALLY.

This would cost Americans many billions of dollars directly out of pocket

everytime they shopped for food. Food prices in the US are insanely CHEAP

thanks in large part to the exploitation of these illegal aliens and their

home countries. The same applies to many other consumer items that had it

not been for this exploitation, would cost Americans dearly. Think about

it.

 

Not to be missed in this whole argument is the imperialistic nature of

America's treatment of third world countries to the south of them. Free

trade agreements with places like Mexico have further impoverished

Mexicans. Corporate exploitation of Central and South America through

support of oligarchies there, death squads, landlessness, etc. has

impoverished that part of the hemisphere forcing desperate people to try to

live by fleeing to the US to take on these low paying exploitive jobs. The

whole situation can best be described as blowback. What the US has sown is

now coming back to haunt it.

 

The US and other first world industrialized countries can't expect to live

in sheltered bubbles while the majority of humanity, thanks to colonialism

and imperialism, live in abject poverty. Address this fundamental issue and

the "illegal aliens problem" will have some hope of being resolved. Until

then, live with the consequences, as it's come about thanks to the

ruthlessness of American/British/First World foreign policy.

 

Shake Hands With,

Mr. Happy

 

 

--

Would you purchase an os from this man?

.... and he hasn't really changed

DanS wrote:

> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

> news:0diq93d5bi2kdd75a7mgk0ia9lromjh0jd@4ax.com:

>

>> For filthy rich fat cat right wing SOB's like Dickey boy Cheney to pay

>> their fair share of taxes and not get windfall tax breaks. Then maybe

>> more "poor" workers could afford to buy health insurance.

>

> Interestingly enough, see this:

>

> http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js1287.htm

>

> I know it's old, but I'm sure the numbers are similar.

>

> To summarize, the richest 1% of taxpayers pay over 1/3 of the income

> taxes in this country.

>

> Also, the top 50% of taxpayers pay well over 90% of all personal income

> taxes.

>

> Adam, you are probably also not familiar with the federal 'Earned Income

> Credit' ? This is a giant benefit to lower-income taxpayers. It's a

> refundable tax credit to benefit single parents mostly, of which we know

> is a huge group. For many, the EIC wipes out their federal tax laibility,

> and can usually result in a giant tax return. Example, a worker that is

> eligible for the EIC makes $8000/yr., and has paid $500 in federal taxes

> thru paycheck deductions.

>

> With an AGI of $8000, the federal tax liability is $803. If you qualify

> for the EIC, with one child, your EIC is $2729. That is refundable. That

> means this worker, that has earned $8000 and only paid in $500, will

> receive a federal tax refund of $2426. ($2729 EIC + $500 (payroll

> deductions) - $803, their tax liability.

>

> That $8000 just turned into over $10,000 just based on the EIC alone.

>

> THE GOVERNMENT JUST PAID THAT WORKER OVER $2000 TAX FREE TO EARN $8000.

>

>

>

>

Unfortunately, there is no medical treatment that would cure the

horrible problem you have. Goodbye.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:58:22 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

>news:0diq93d5bi2kdd75a7mgk0ia9lromjh0jd@4ax.com:

>

>> For filthy rich fat cat right wing SOB's like Dickey boy Cheney to pay

>> their fair share of taxes and not get windfall tax breaks. Then maybe

>> more "poor" workers could afford to buy health insurance.

>

>Interestingly enough, see this:

>

>http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js1287.htm

>

>I know it's old, but I'm sure the numbers are similar.

>

>To summarize, the richest 1% of taxpayers pay over 1/3 of the income

>taxes in this country.

 

Right out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth and like most stuff out of that

windbag's pie hole, total bullshit and deliberately deceptive. Anybody

can make any collection of numbers look like they represent whatever

they want them to represent.

 

Take a look at the chart in the below link. While old, it shows that

the top 1% of the richest families in America own 33% percent of the

country's wealth.

 

http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so11/stratification/income&wealth.htm

 

>Also, the top 50% of taxpayers pay well over 90% of all personal income

>taxes.

 

Why shouldn't they? They still on a PERCENTAGE basis aren't paying

their fair share, not even close since the super rich get all kinds of

tax breaks that REDUCE their tax rate.

 

Again take a good long look at the chart or other similar ones you can

find all over the web. The collective wealth in this country is

controlled by a tiny minority of people. These super rich are mostly

old Republican gray beards and they have used special interests,

lobbyists and fancy pants tax attorneys to get Congress to rewrite the

tax code so THEY get tax breaks Joe Average can't take advantage of

and probably don't even know about.

>

>Adam, you are probably also not familiar with the federal 'Earned Income

>Credit' ?

 

I used to be an auditor and a CFO. NEVER assume anything. -)

>This is a giant benefit to lower-income taxpayers. It's a

>refundable tax credit to benefit single parents mostly, of which we know

>is a huge group. For many, the EIC wipes out their federal tax laibility,

>and can usually result in a giant tax return. Example, a worker that is

>eligible for the EIC makes $8000/yr., and has paid $500 in federal taxes

>thru paycheck deductions.

 

The poverty line last time I looked was $14,000. Why should anybody

earning less pay ANY federal income taxes? How much federal taxes are

withheld through one's wages is determined not only by how much you

earn but by the information the employee puts on his W-4 statement. I

used to work for a company where one guy had 12 kids. He never had a

dime withheld for income taxes nor should he have, since his

exemptions on his 1040 would be a wash or probably end up with him

getting a refund.

>

>With an AGI of $8000, the federal tax liability is $803.

 

Funny you right winger types actually expect people to live on $8,000

a year. LOL! Maybe in the 60's, this is 2007.

 

Any more tax questions?

"Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

news:1184779606.869322@netadmin1.interbaun.net:

> DanS wrote:

>

>> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

>> news:8gjq93p8hbjl5h3121g9vun426o2hbubtr@4ax.com:

>>

>>> Tell you what, I have a uncle in California that runs a produce

>>> farm. While most of the workers are Mexican, I'm sure they would

>>> welcome you with open arms especially after you tell them they don't

>>> work hard and they're lazy and rather dumb.

>>>

>>> I can give my uncle a call and I'm sure he'll be happy to give you a

>>> job working out in the fields in 120 degree heat harvesting lettuce

>>> or maybe you rather pick cabbage. Job doesn't pay much, but if you

>>> want to scrap enough together to pay your health insurance premium

>>> I'm sure my uncle will let you work a second shift and maybe he'll

>>> even give you a little more if you work on Sundays too. We got a

>>> deal?

>>

>> Are they illegal aliens ?

>>

>> Are they paid a minimum wage ?

>>

>> Have taxes withheld ?

>>

>> Illegal aliens deserve nothing from us or our government. Period.

>

> Rightwing nutcases like you and Lou Dobbs just refuse to connect the

> dots on this whole question.

 

 

<SNIP>

 

So I'm right-wing ? Like I have any idea what that means.

 

I have nothing against any persons that go through the proper channels and

follow the rules to come into the country and legally obtain residency and

go through due process.

 

To just extend benefit to millions of people would be crippling. In the

county I live in, 70% of property taxes collected go to fund state mandated

Medicaid costs. That's a county of around a million people. And a huge

expense. I could imagine the added cost to a larger population base with a

much higher percentage of "undocumented workers".

 

Call me right-wing or whatever you want, I thought I was just a person with

an opinion.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:24:17 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>I have nothing against any persons that go through the proper channels and

>follow the rules to come into the country and legally obtain residency and

>go through due process.

>

>To just extend benefit to millions of people would be crippling. In the

>county I live in, 70% of property taxes collected go to fund state mandated

>Medicaid costs. That's a county of around a million people. And a huge

>expense. I could imagine the added cost to a larger population base with a

>much higher percentage of "undocumented workers".

>

>Call me right-wing or whatever you want, I thought I was just a person with

>an opinion.

 

You don't have schools in your country? Odd, the lion's share of

property taxes across the country regardless of county goes to fund

public schools, not Medicaid.

 

How did this thread morph into a discussion about illegals?

 

Moore's film is about the corrupt and poorly managed American Health

Care system which effects ALL people.

 

Here's a shocker for the anal right wing crowd. Moore's Sicko was

highly praised on of all places FoxNews. Somebody pinch me, I must be

dreaming. FoxNews actually was fair and balanced...once anyway.

DanS wrote:

> "Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> news:1184779606.869322@netadmin1.interbaun.net:

>

>> DanS wrote:

>>

>>> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

>>> news:8gjq93p8hbjl5h3121g9vun426o2hbubtr@4ax.com:

>>>

>>>> Tell you what, I have a uncle in California that runs a produce

>>>> farm. While most of the workers are Mexican, I'm sure they would

>>>> welcome you with open arms especially after you tell them they don't

>>>> work hard and they're lazy and rather dumb.

>>>>

>>>> I can give my uncle a call and I'm sure he'll be happy to give you a

>>>> job working out in the fields in 120 degree heat harvesting lettuce

>>>> or maybe you rather pick cabbage. Job doesn't pay much, but if you

>>>> want to scrap enough together to pay your health insurance premium

>>>> I'm sure my uncle will let you work a second shift and maybe he'll

>>>> even give you a little more if you work on Sundays too. We got a

>>>> deal?

>>> Are they illegal aliens ?

>>>

>>> Are they paid a minimum wage ?

>>>

>>> Have taxes withheld ?

>>>

>>> Illegal aliens deserve nothing from us or our government. Period.

>> Rightwing nutcases like you and Lou Dobbs just refuse to connect the

>> dots on this whole question.

>

>

> <SNIP>

>

> So I'm right-wing ? Like I have any idea what that means.

>

> I have nothing against any persons that go through the proper channels and

> follow the rules to come into the country and legally obtain residency and

> go through due process.

>

> To just extend benefit to millions of people would be crippling. In the

> county I live in, 70% of property taxes collected go to fund state mandated

> Medicaid costs. That's a county of around a million people. And a huge

> expense. I could imagine the added cost to a larger population base with a

> much higher percentage of "undocumented workers".

>

> Call me right-wing or whatever you want, I thought I was just a person with

> an opinion.

 

Families in the States are smaller than ever before. The Baby Boomers

are about to retire and collect social security. Hence, the need for

young baby making crazy workers to pay for the Baby Boomers' pension

check. Enter the Latinos, stage left. If they are legal, they pay taxes.

If not, they don't. Hence, amnesty.

 

Alias

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote in

news:h87t939nk8hgp1oaseoohabie4uper086h@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:24:17 -0500, DanS

> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>

>>I have nothing against any persons that go through the proper channels

>>and follow the rules to come into the country and legally obtain

>>residency and go through due process.

>>

>>To just extend benefit to millions of people would be crippling. In

>>the county I live in, 70% of property taxes collected go to fund state

>>mandated Medicaid costs. That's a county of around a million people.

>>And a huge expense. I could imagine the added cost to a larger

>>population base with a much higher percentage of "undocumented

>>workers".

>>

>>Call me right-wing or whatever you want, I thought I was just a person

>>with an opinion.

>

> You don't have schools in your country? Odd, the lion's share of

> property taxes across the country regardless of county goes to fund

> public schools, not Medicaid.

 

Yes public schools in the county (not country), which is billed

separately as a school tax based on the your property value and rate by

school district you live in.

 

Of course I do live in NY which has some of the highest tax rates around.

> How did this thread morph into a discussion about illegals?

 

You brought up your uncle in California....

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:23:44 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

 

>> How did this thread morph into a discussion about illegals?

>

>You brought up your uncle in California....

 

That was just a job offer for Frankie. -)

Unortunately, I have seen people use this very 'benefit' as part of a bigger

scheme, where she works as an "indepedent contractor" and never files

anything (look it up, self-employed, taxes not deducted by employer) and he

works a regular job, but they're not married, and he claims EIC because he

pays child support. Grrrrrr!

 

"DanS" wrote in message

news:Xns997184E0843B8thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...

> Interestingly enough, see this:

>

> http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js1287.htm

>

> I know it's old, but I'm sure the numbers are similar.

>

> To summarize, the richest 1% of taxpayers pay over 1/3 of the income

> taxes in this country.

>

> Also, the top 50% of taxpayers pay well over 90% of all personal income

> taxes.

>

> Adam, you are probably also not familiar with the federal 'Earned Income

> Credit' ? This is a giant benefit to lower-income taxpayers. It's a

> refundable tax credit to benefit single parents mostly, of which we know

> is a huge group. For many, the EIC wipes out their federal tax laibility,

> and can usually result in a giant tax return. Example, a worker that is

> eligible for the EIC makes $8000/yr., and has paid $500 in federal taxes

> thru paycheck deductions.

>

> With an AGI of $8000, the federal tax liability is $803. If you qualify

> for the EIC, with one child, your EIC is $2729. That is refundable. That

> means this worker, that has earned $8000 and only paid in $500, will

> receive a federal tax refund of $2426. ($2729 EIC + $500 (payroll

> deductions) - $803, their tax liability.

>

> That $8000 just turned into over $10,000 just based on the EIC alone.

>

> THE GOVERNMENT JUST PAID THAT WORKER OVER $2000 TAX FREE TO EARN $8000.