In article <#xVohfIyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <72eo93dofh5dtvt8ci1ru0prgqs77bu5lt@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

> > says...

> >> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:30:19 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

> >>

> >>> In article <tuco931iaaqjo5s901sgi1tos6667ff534@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

> >>> says...

> >>>> Just when I thought you couldn't say anything dumber you actually do.

> >>>> Amazing. You seem to equate earning more money with working harder.

> >>>> The reality of course is often the reverse.

> >>> And you seem to think the only way to make money and have money is to

> >>> work for someone else or to be appointed to some position that pays

> >>> well, which is not the case for most people that have money.

> >> Why can't over 40 million Americans afford health care?

> >

> > I would guess that it's because they don't feel the need to work hard

> > enough to afford it, that they can always go the the ER because they

> > can't be denied treatment in an emergency, because the Left has pushed

> > that they deserve handouts and that you don't need to work for what you

> > get....

> >

>

> Ye Olde Protestant Work Ethic. You guess wrong as usual.

 

Then why are the majority of the poor still poor?

 

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In article <D8F630B8-28E3-4171-BD8D-26DAD0B9A9C5@microsoft.com>,

vista_ultimate_fan@hotmail.com says...

> You're lack of knowledge is showing.

>

> The Philippines is not a 1st world country. Most of those that are lucky

> enough to even have a job here normally work 10-12 hours a day, 6-7 days a

> week, and earn $4-$5 a day. So yes, $1500 is out of reach, and for many it's

> an annual income. NOTHING like America.

 

No, your lack of understanding is what is showing. You indicated that

you could get great medical care, but it was expensive, same is true in

most countries - the quality medical care is expensive and out of the

reach of people that are "Poor". And that is just like America.

 

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- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:50:48 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>It's sad that you think that anyone that believes people should be

>required to be accountable for their own situation or that people that

>CAN work should not be given money stolen from those that are working.

 

What's really sad is how right wingers think only the rich should

receive top notch medical care. Everybody else, you say screw them.

The FACT is people can be poor for a variety of reasons, some beyond

their control. What's you solution, put them on the curb and hope some

truck picks them up and carts them off so we as a society don't have

to deal with it?

>

>It's sad that you clearly don't understand that MOST POOR are not there

>because of an auto accident that left them unable to do most work, it's

>very said that you have to demean the incapable by lumping them in with

>those that are capable but just don't want to work.

 

Can you do simple math? There are roughly 300,000,000 people in the

United States. Assuming you don't think children should work, A rough

estimate would be there are about 150,000,000 adults. Not all families

need or want to have both the wife and husband both work, but lets

keep the math simple. If the national unemployment rate is under 5%

that's about 7,000,000 adults unemployed. How do your account for the

40,000,000 that don't have health insurance?

 

Sure, there are always going to be people that play the system and

would rather buy a six pack a night instead of putting that money

aside towards medical insurance or blow it on something else silly.

Still there are tens of millions of hard working people that simply

can't afford medical insurance. They make a choice, hmm what should I

do, feed my children, be sure they have a roof over their heads, be

sure they're not running around naked or oh I know... I'll buy health

insurance. You right wingers are blithering idiots! You simply don't

think things through. People buy insurance IF they can afford it. If

they can't afford it then things like food, shelter, clothing comes

first. Understand yet?

>

>I was able to pull myself up from being poor because "I" wanted too,

>because I didn't want to take handouts from the Government, because I

>didn't want my kids to be at that level, because I was motivated. It's a

>shame that you mock all people that have bettered their position by

>saying they don't understand or have no compassion.

 

Now you make an ever stupider argument. You think people want to be

poor? News Flash... MOST people want to better themselves. You're not

the only one that clawed his way up the ladder, that's the American

dream, hundreds of millions have done it, not just you. The point that

zooms over your head is there will always be poor people that often

for reasons out of their control need help. If 40,000,000 people don't

have health insurance any reasonable person understands if they happen

to be in a serious accident or develop a major illness that it is

likely is going to wipe them out financially. Heck, that can happen

even if you have health insurance. It isn't that people don't want

health insurance, many simply can't afford it. When will people like

you wake up and understand that?

>

>People that work hard to get ahead don't want to have their money stolen

>by the government and handed out to those that don't work hard, and it's

>people like you, mostly on the left, that feel we need to support those

>that don't feel like working hard. If fully support and have compassion

>for someone that tries and fails and keeps trying, but I have no

>compassion for those that don't try and expect to be given.

 

Well buster you government so far has stole close to a trillion

dollars of American's tax dollars fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq

with no end in sight. How do you feel about that? YOU'RE paying for

it! Was it got us? So far over 3,000 American dead, the United States

hated, way over a 100,000 innocent civilian in Iraq butchered. What a

waste!

 

You're living in a fantasy world. For every one of your "bums" that

don't try, there are a 1,000 that do try and simply can't afford

health insurance. It's a national disgrace. Did you know the United

States is the ONLY Western country that doesn't provide basic health

care for it's citizens? You have any idea how many senior citizens and

children die prematurely because they don't get good medical care?

>

>The majority of the Poor Americans are poor because they choose to be

>poor, it's that simple.

 

Show me anybody that says that and I'll show you a damn fool.

 

Hello fool!

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:53:09 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <OC9DPKJyHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, "Dr. Bill"

><wellville> says...

>> I realize that the poverty stricken widow with 3 children, one of whom is

>> disabled, should have planned better and not given birth to 2 kids and a

>> disabled deadbeat who only want to suck off of society. But how was she to

>> know that her soldier husband would end up dead in Iraq? Now she thinks she

>> should have help paying for care for those kids. Ha! Don't be so lazy, lady.

>> Go get a couple of jobs. Don't worry about the kids they can take care of

>> themselves. The disabled one can be cared for by the other two.

>

>Why does your type always pick out an extreme case, which has nothing to

>do with the majority of the poor being discussed, and try and use that

>to make your point when the example you use was clearly not part of the

>discussion. Disabled and dead husband was never mentioned, which also

>doesn't fit the majority of poor.

 

Why does YOUR type try to label hard working Americans as bums?

In article <kj4q93t710h7tj3k1pndvf1iknk195e24p@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:50:48 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>

> >It's sad that you think that anyone that believes people should be

> >required to be accountable for their own situation or that people that

> >CAN work should not be given money stolen from those that are working.

>

> What's really sad is how right wingers think only the rich should

> receive top notch medical care. Everybody else, you say screw them.

> The FACT is people can be poor for a variety of reasons, some beyond

> their control. What's you solution, put them on the curb and hope some

> truck picks them up and carts them off so we as a society don't have

> to deal with it?

 

The fact that you can't separate those that are poor because of items

beyond their control, and those that are poor by their lack of

drive/motivation shows that you're not really interested in helping the

poor. For the people that are not capable of helping themselves, as I've

already said, I believe in helping them, for those that are poor because

of bad decisions, bad planning, bad morals, bad ethics, bad

desire/motivation, because they expect to be taken care of, I have no

compassion for them.

 

Why do you want to help people that don't want to help themselves that

are fully capable of helping themselves - that would make up the vast

majority of the Poor.

> >It's sad that you clearly don't understand that MOST POOR are not there

> >because of an auto accident that left them unable to do most work, it's

> >very said that you have to demean the incapable by lumping them in with

> >those that are capable but just don't want to work.

>

> Can you do simple math? There are roughly 300,000,000 people in the

> United States. Assuming you don't think children should work, A rough

> estimate would be there are about 150,000,000 adults. Not all families

> need or want to have both the wife and husband both work, but lets

 

If they want benefits then they better BOTH be working or at least one

of them should be working two or more jobs, anything less is just

wanting someone else to take care of them.

> keep the math simple. If the national unemployment rate is under 5%

> that's about 7,000,000 adults unemployed. How do your account for the

> 40,000,000 that don't have health insurance?

 

And you've already been told that your number is Hype - all 40,000,000

have access to health care and most of them take advantage of it.

> Sure, there are always going to be people that play the system and

> would rather buy a six pack a night instead of putting that money

> aside towards medical insurance or blow it on something else silly.

> Still there are tens of millions of hard working people that simply

> can't afford medical insurance. They make a choice, hmm what should I

> do, feed my children, be sure they have a roof over their heads, be

> sure they're not running around naked or oh I know... I'll buy health

> insurance. You right wingers are blithering idiots! You simply don't

> think things through. People buy insurance IF they can afford it. If

> they can't afford it then things like food, shelter, clothing comes

> first. Understand yet?

 

Yep, you want to steal money from people that work hard to GIVE it to

people that are not willing to work hard so that they can stay at the

level they currently are at.

> >I was able to pull myself up from being poor because "I" wanted too,

> >because I didn't want to take handouts from the Government, because I

> >didn't want my kids to be at that level, because I was motivated. It's a

> >shame that you mock all people that have bettered their position by

> >saying they don't understand or have no compassion.

>

> Now you make an ever stupider argument. You think people want to be

> poor? News Flash... MOST people want to better themselves. You're not

> the only one that clawed his way up the ladder, that's the American

> dream, hundreds of millions have done it, not just you. The point that

> zooms over your head is there will always be poor people that often

> for reasons out of their control need help.

 

There you go again, making excuses for why people that don't want to

work harder need to steal money from those that do and are working, so

that they don't have to work harder. At no point have I said we should

not support people that "can't" support themselves, but you keep harping

on that point.

> If 40,000,000 people don't

> have health insurance any reasonable person understands if they happen

> to be in a serious accident or develop a major illness that it is

> likely is going to wipe them out financially. Heck, that can happen

> even if you have health insurance. It isn't that people don't want

> health insurance, many simply can't afford it. When will people like

> you wake up and understand that?

 

Actually, it's the people with Health Insurce that get wiped out by a

serious condition - the POOR are written off and hospitals never collect

from them. It's the Middle Class that get attacked because they are

working, can pay, and have a home - the poor don't have a loss because

the insurance/hospitals know they can't collect from them - so it goes,

the people that work get screwed again.

> >People that work hard to get ahead don't want to have their money stolen

> >by the government and handed out to those that don't work hard, and it's

> >people like you, mostly on the left, that feel we need to support those

> >that don't feel like working hard. If fully support and have compassion

> >for someone that tries and fails and keeps trying, but I have no

> >compassion for those that don't try and expect to be given.

>

> Well buster you government so far has stole close to a trillion

> dollars of American's tax dollars fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq

> with no end in sight. How do you feel about that? YOU'RE paying for

> it! Was it got us? So far over 3,000 American dead, the United States

> hated, way over a 100,000 innocent civilian in Iraq butchered. What a

> waste!

 

Why are you diverting from the subject and the fact that you continue to

make poor people capable of being poor by supporting their ability to

stay poor?

> You're living in a fantasy world. For every one of your "bums" that

> don't try, there are a 1,000 that do try and simply can't afford

> health insurance. It's a national disgrace. Did you know the United

> States is the ONLY Western country that doesn't provide basic health

> care for it's citizens? You have any idea how many senior citizens and

> children die prematurely because they don't get good medical care?

> >

> >The majority of the Poor Americans are poor because they choose to be

> >poor, it's that simple.

>

> Show me anybody that says that and I'll show you a damn fool.

 

Explain to me why the Poor, masses, are poor - and don't include the

people that CAN'T get out, which would be less than 1% of the poor.

 

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Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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In article , AA@ABC.net

says...

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:53:09 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>

> >In article <OC9DPKJyHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, "Dr. Bill"

> ><wellville> says...

> >> I realize that the poverty stricken widow with 3 children, one of whom is

> >> disabled, should have planned better and not given birth to 2 kids and a

> >> disabled deadbeat who only want to suck off of society. But how was she to

> >> know that her soldier husband would end up dead in Iraq? Now she thinks she

> >> should have help paying for care for those kids. Ha! Don't be so lazy, lady.

> >> Go get a couple of jobs. Don't worry about the kids they can take care of

> >> themselves. The disabled one can be cared for by the other two.

> >

> >Why does your type always pick out an extreme case, which has nothing to

> >do with the majority of the poor being discussed, and try and use that

> >to make your point when the example you use was clearly not part of the

> >discussion. Disabled and dead husband was never mentioned, which also

> >doesn't fit the majority of poor.

>

> Why does YOUR type try to label hard working Americans as bums?

 

I didn't, not anywhere. Why are you trying to divert from what I asked?

Why can't you answer the question?

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:50:22 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article , AA@ABC.net

>says...

>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:53:09 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>>

>> >In article <OC9DPKJyHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, "Dr. Bill"

>> ><wellville> says...

>> >> I realize that the poverty stricken widow with 3 children, one of whom is

>> >> disabled, should have planned better and not given birth to 2 kids and a

>> >> disabled deadbeat who only want to suck off of society. But how was she to

>> >> know that her soldier husband would end up dead in Iraq? Now she thinks she

>> >> should have help paying for care for those kids. Ha! Don't be so lazy, lady.

>> >> Go get a couple of jobs. Don't worry about the kids they can take care of

>> >> themselves. The disabled one can be cared for by the other two.

>> >

>> >Why does your type always pick out an extreme case, which has nothing to

>> >do with the majority of the poor being discussed, and try and use that

>> >to make your point when the example you use was clearly not part of the

>> >discussion. Disabled and dead husband was never mentioned, which also

>> >doesn't fit the majority of poor.

>>

>> Why does YOUR type try to label hard working Americans as bums?

>

>I didn't, not anywhere. Why are you trying to divert from what I asked?

>Why can't you answer the question?

 

Of course you did. Maybe you should read the crap you post before you

post it.

In article <ae8q93dpgto06aev25tnaeriuevr5boo2c@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

> Everything you said so far is based on that fallacy therefore you're

> seen as nothing but a kook.

>

LOL

 

So, explain to me why the masses of Poor are poor, and I'm not talking

about the Disabled and children under the age of 18?

 

Now, explain to me how poor can be helped to become not poor?

 

If you really believe what you are saying then it should be very easy to

clearly define why the capable poor are poor still and what it would

take to elevate them out of being poor.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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In article <29aq9314b0h5aolvucl1tebcvh44hvtkkd@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:50:22 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>

> >In article , AA@ABC.net

> >says...

> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:53:09 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

> >>

> >> >In article <OC9DPKJyHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, "Dr. Bill"

> >> ><wellville> says...

> >> >> I realize that the poverty stricken widow with 3 children, one of whom is

> >> >> disabled, should have planned better and not given birth to 2 kids and a

> >> >> disabled deadbeat who only want to suck off of society. But how was she to

> >> >> know that her soldier husband would end up dead in Iraq? Now she thinks she

> >> >> should have help paying for care for those kids. Ha! Don't be so lazy, lady.

> >> >> Go get a couple of jobs. Don't worry about the kids they can take care of

> >> >> themselves. The disabled one can be cared for by the other two.

> >> >

> >> >Why does your type always pick out an extreme case, which has nothing to

> >> >do with the majority of the poor being discussed, and try and use that

> >> >to make your point when the example you use was clearly not part of the

> >> >discussion. Disabled and dead husband was never mentioned, which also

> >> >doesn't fit the majority of poor.

> >>

> >> Why does YOUR type try to label hard working Americans as bums?

> >

> >I didn't, not anywhere. Why are you trying to divert from what I asked?

> >Why can't you answer the question?

>

> Of course you did. Maybe you should read the crap you post before you

> post it.

 

Maybe you should read EXACTLY what I type instead of trying to read more

into it than I typed.

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

news:MPG.2106f590c24f0a909897c1@adfree.Usenet.com:

> Maybe you should read EXACTLY what I type instead of trying to read

> more into it than I typed.

 

Ain't it the truth......

">>Moore is a Buffoon.

>

> Oh, you want to talk about buffoons. Lets.

No .. )

 

I don't wanna talk about you

 

 

Rich

"Cal Bear '66" <xxx@xxx.org> wrote in

news:5E76B31E-733A-4966-A39B-B3CA63BDB96C@microsoft.com:

> God forbid you never have an accident or an illness that incapacitates

> you and you are unable to work due to NO fault of your own.

 

I don't think this was the intention of Leythos' statements.

>

> Racism, sexism, homophobia, religious discrimination, etc. prevent

> many, many people from attaining their full potential.

 

And, if I recall, discrimination of those types is illegal in the US.

 

As it is where someone else in this thread said they went to a hospital to

have a baby delivered, but had no insurance so they were turned down. This

is completely illegal in the US. A hospital can not refuse medical services

because you have no insurance. (I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that

it is illegal to do so.)

> You are a very shallow, unempathetic, and mean spirited little man.

 

I wouldn't say that at all.....everyone's entitled to their opinions.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:34 -0500, DanS

<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

>news:MPG.2106f590c24f0a909897c1@adfree.Usenet.com:

>

>> Maybe you should read EXACTLY what I type instead of trying to read

>> more into it than I typed.

>

>Ain't it the truth......

 

Truth? What would an obvious right winger like Leythos know about the

truth?

Go to a political list with this, it has no place here.

 

--

Ian

 

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.2106f55e457e8a509897c0@adfree.Usenet.com...

> In article <ae8q93dpgto06aev25tnaeriuevr5boo2c@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

> says...

>> Everything you said so far is based on that fallacy therefore you're

>> seen as nothing but a kook.

>>

> LOL

>

> So, explain to me why the masses of Poor are poor, and I'm not talking

> about the Disabled and children under the age of 18?

>

> Now, explain to me how poor can be helped to become not poor?

>

> If you really believe what you are saying then it should be very easy to

> clearly define why the capable poor are poor still and what it would

> take to elevate them out of being poor.

>

> --

>

> Leythos

> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:49:21 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <ae8q93dpgto06aev25tnaeriuevr5boo2c@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

>says...

>> Everything you said so far is based on that fallacy therefore you're

>> seen as nothing but a kook.

>>

>LOL

>

>So, explain to me why the masses of Poor are poor, and I'm not talking

>about the Disabled and children under the age of 18?

 

You got to be kidding. EVERY society has a multi-tier social structure

where a certain percentage does the work that's viewed as beneath

others. It has always been so in America. Read a history book before

you aimlessly flap your gums. The Irish, Germans, Italians, Polish,

others from Europe and more recently large numbers of Latinos,

Orientals as well as blacks have filled jobs others didn't want and

won't do.

 

To you, these people are lazy, they don't want to get ahead, they

don't work hard enough or maybe they need a second or third job, your

words, they want to remain poor. Gee man, how ignorant are you anyway?

 

As tragic as that is the rest of the story is Joe six pack makes up a

large portion of the 40 million plus that can't afford health care

insurance. What right wing fat cats don't see and obviously don't give

a damn about is up and down main street in every American town people

struggle to make ends meet. They barely get by. Maybe if they're lucky

they have a few thousand in savings and if something bad happens like

a serious car accident or cancer they can get wiped out financially.

You don't care. Obviously, you've made that clear.

 

America's health care system is corrupt top to bottom, based on greed,

run by a handful of evil and I do mean evil corporations including the

insurance and drug companies and obviously all the health care

providers who can override your doctor's option. They bribe Congress

and pay lobbyists to write laws to keep the gravy train running and

you sit there and clap your hands while people die. Pathetic!

 

How insane is a medical system when a doctor that has invested at

least a dozen years in higher education and years more hands on

training as a resident and then more years in practice has to get

permission to do a procedure from some nitwit sitting is some cubicle

a thousand miles away who's salary is based in part in how effective

he is in denying benefits?

 

As baby boomers enter their 60's the crisis will rapidly grow. What's

your solution? You want grandma and grandpa to work until they drop

dead?

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:50:11 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <29aq9314b0h5aolvucl1tebcvh44hvtkkd@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

>says...

>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:50:22 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>>

>> >In article , AA@ABC.net

>> >says...

>> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:53:09 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >In article <OC9DPKJyHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, "Dr. Bill"

>> >> ><wellville> says...

>> >> >> I realize that the poverty stricken widow with 3 children, one of whom is

>> >> >> disabled, should have planned better and not given birth to 2 kids and a

>> >> >> disabled deadbeat who only want to suck off of society. But how was she to

>> >> >> know that her soldier husband would end up dead in Iraq? Now she thinks she

>> >> >> should have help paying for care for those kids. Ha! Don't be so lazy, lady.

>> >> >> Go get a couple of jobs. Don't worry about the kids they can take care of

>> >> >> themselves. The disabled one can be cared for by the other two.

>> >> >

>> >> >Why does your type always pick out an extreme case, which has nothing to

>> >> >do with the majority of the poor being discussed, and try and use that

>> >> >to make your point when the example you use was clearly not part of the

>> >> >discussion. Disabled and dead husband was never mentioned, which also

>> >> >doesn't fit the majority of poor.

>> >>

>> >> Why does YOUR type try to label hard working Americans as bums?

>> >

>> >I didn't, not anywhere. Why are you trying to divert from what I asked?

>> >Why can't you answer the question?

>>

>> Of course you did. Maybe you should read the crap you post before you

>> post it.

>

>Maybe you should read EXACTLY what I type instead of trying to read more

>into it than I typed.

 

I did, your words: "the poor want to remain poor".

In article <43fq9397enue9tflnvosoqfcacmjqktm02@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

> >So, explain to me why the masses of Poor are poor, and I'm not talking

> >about the Disabled and children under the age of 18?

>

> You got to be kidding. EVERY society has a multi-tier social structure

> where a certain percentage does the work that's viewed as beneath

> others. It has always been so in America. Read a history book before

> you aimlessly flap your gums. The Irish, Germans, Italians, Polish,

> others from Europe and more recently large numbers of Latinos,

> Orientals as well as blacks have filled jobs others didn't want and

> won't do.

 

Why avoid the question?

 

Why are poor people poor?

 

What does it take for a "Poor" person to become non-Poor?

 

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- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:29:36 -0700, "Rich" <r.green@comcast.net>

wrote:

>

>">>Moore is a Buffoon.

>>

>> Oh, you want to talk about buffoons. Lets.

>No .. )

>

>I don't wanna talk about you

 

Amazing how many weak minded little twits need to edit what the other

guy said in some feeble attempt to make a point.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:40:20 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <43fq9397enue9tflnvosoqfcacmjqktm02@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

>says...

>> >So, explain to me why the masses of Poor are poor, and I'm not talking

>> >about the Disabled and children under the age of 18?

>>

>> You got to be kidding. EVERY society has a multi-tier social structure

>> where a certain percentage does the work that's viewed as beneath

>> others. It has always been so in America. Read a history book before

>> you aimlessly flap your gums. The Irish, Germans, Italians, Polish,

>> others from Europe and more recently large numbers of Latinos,

>> Orientals as well as blacks have filled jobs others didn't want and

>> won't do.

>

>Why avoid the question?

>

>Why are poor people poor?

 

That's like asking why are black people black. You question is totally

illogical.

>

>What does it take for a "Poor" person to become non-Poor?

 

For filthy rich fat cat right wing SOB's like Dickey boy Cheney to pay

their fair share of taxes and not get windfall tax breaks. Then maybe

more "poor" workers could afford to buy health insurance.

 

Let me know when you get tired of me beating you up verbally. -)

In article <0diq93d5bi2kdd75a7mgk0ia9lromjh0jd@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 18:40:20 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>

> >In article <43fq9397enue9tflnvosoqfcacmjqktm02@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

> >says...

> >> >So, explain to me why the masses of Poor are poor, and I'm not talking

> >> >about the Disabled and children under the age of 18?

> >>

> >> You got to be kidding. EVERY society has a multi-tier social structure

> >> where a certain percentage does the work that's viewed as beneath

> >> others. It has always been so in America. Read a history book before

> >> you aimlessly flap your gums. The Irish, Germans, Italians, Polish,

> >> others from Europe and more recently large numbers of Latinos,

> >> Orientals as well as blacks have filled jobs others didn't want and

> >> won't do.

> >

> >Why avoid the question?

> >

> >Why are poor people poor?

>

> That's like asking why are black people black. You question is totally

> illogical.

 

It's not illogical and it's got an answer and it's not like your

diversionary argument for not answering it. Try again, this time remove

your hate and prejudice and think about what keeps people poor.

> >What does it take for a "Poor" person to become non-Poor?

>

> For filthy rich fat cat right wing SOB's like Dickey boy Cheney to pay

> their fair share of taxes and not get windfall tax breaks. Then maybe

> more "poor" workers could afford to buy health insurance.

>

> Let me know when you get tired of me beating you up verbally. -)

 

You are not beating anything, except yourself. It's very telling as to

your true desire when you can't answer a question that will prove you

wrong.

 

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Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:09:24 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>> >What does it take for a "Poor" person to become non-Poor?

>>

>> For filthy rich fat cat right wing SOB's like Dickey boy Cheney to pay

>> their fair share of taxes and not get windfall tax breaks. Then maybe

>> more "poor" workers could afford to buy health insurance.

>>

>> Let me know when you get tired of me beating you up verbally. -)

>

>You are not beating anything, except yourself. It's very telling as to

>your true desire when you can't answer a question that will prove you

>wrong.

 

I don't address stupid questions, I rather point out the stupidity in

the logic of the person asking them.

 

Your whole speal is poor people are poor because they like to be and

are too lazy to try to better themselves. That sir is nothing but a

big load of what comes out of a bull's rear end.

 

Trying to say people want to remain poor is like saying people prefer

to be sick and don't really want to get well. That's looney. Nobody

wants to be poor and just scrap by, however being poor is a fact of

life for many and for reasons beyond their control in many situations.

Simplistic answers you tried to push like get a second job, try

harder, is again just more of what comes out that bull's rear end.

 

Tell you what, I have a uncle in California that runs a produce farm.

While most of the workers are Mexican, I'm sure they would welcome you

with open arms especially after you tell them they don't work hard and

they're lazy and rather dumb.

 

I can give my uncle a call and I'm sure he'll be happy to give you a

job working out in the fields in 120 degree heat harvesting lettuce or

maybe you rather pick cabbage. Job doesn't pay much, but if you want

to scrap enough together to pay your health insurance premium I'm sure

my uncle will let you work a second shift and maybe he'll even give

you a little more if you work on Sundays too. We got a deal?

You need to cut Adam HopaLong loose. He just runs around looking to duel, as

he rides in on his little broom he calls Silver with his size two shoes

hopelessly trying to kick some behind. That's what the boy lives for. :)

Leythos wrote:

> In article <#k2S$dIyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <#IbxySFyHHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

>>> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>>>> You could be on the street at any moment. What's happening to a poor

>>>> person today could happen to you tomorrow.

>>> LOL, not really. Sure, I could be poor at any moment, but, unlike the

>>> people you want to pay for, I would be working two jobs, working 7/d

>>> week, etc... Most of those without insurance are without it because they

>>> don't want to work for it or because they don't feel it's important as

>>> other things in their lives - they use the ER services when needed.

>>>

>>> I've been poor, very poor, and I worked my way out of it and don't

>>> believe in supporting people that don't work as hard to get out of it.

>>>

>> You were young then. If you were to get into a car accident and lose

>> both your arms and legs and the insurance company denied your claim,

>> you'd be very poor for a long time just paying the medical bills. Fate

>> can be quick and cruel. Your lack of compassion and your making sweeping

>> generalizations about why people are poor is pathetic.

>

> It's sad that you think that anyone that believes people should be

> required to be accountable for their own situation or that people that

> CAN work should not be given money stolen from those that are working.

>

> It's sad that you clearly don't understand that MOST POOR are not there

> because of an auto accident that left them unable to do most work, it's

> very said that you have to demean the incapable by lumping them in with

> those that are capable but just don't want to work.

>

> I was able to pull myself up from being poor because "I" wanted too,

> because I didn't want to take handouts from the Government, because I

> didn't want my kids to be at that level, because I was motivated. It's a

> shame that you mock all people that have bettered their position by

> saying they don't understand or have no compassion.

>

> People that work hard to get ahead don't want to have their money stolen

> by the government and handed out to those that don't work hard, and it's

> people like you, mostly on the left, that feel we need to support those

> that don't feel like working hard. If fully support and have compassion

> for someone that tries and fails and keeps trying, but I have no

> compassion for those that don't try and expect to be given.

>

> The majority of the Poor Americans are poor because they choose to be

> poor, it's that simple. There is nothing holding them back except their

> own drive and the feelings provide by the Left to keep them oppressed so

> that they can have votes.

>

 

Hey, we're talking about health care here, not welfare. An employer

would have to cover an employee. An independent contractor would have to

cover himself or herself. Someone who is poor and can't afford health

care would pay what they could or nothing. That's fair no matter how you

want to brag about yourself or claim, erroneously, that the poor choose

to be poor.

 

Alias

Leythos wrote:

> In article <#xVohfIyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <72eo93dofh5dtvt8ci1ru0prgqs77bu5lt@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

>>> says...

>>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:30:19 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> In article <tuco931iaaqjo5s901sgi1tos6667ff534@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

>>>>> says...

>>>>>> Just when I thought you couldn't say anything dumber you actually do.

>>>>>> Amazing. You seem to equate earning more money with working harder.

>>>>>> The reality of course is often the reverse.

>>>>> And you seem to think the only way to make money and have money is to

>>>>> work for someone else or to be appointed to some position that pays

>>>>> well, which is not the case for most people that have money.

>>>> Why can't over 40 million Americans afford health care?

>>> I would guess that it's because they don't feel the need to work hard

>>> enough to afford it, that they can always go the the ER because they

>>> can't be denied treatment in an emergency, because the Left has pushed

>>> that they deserve handouts and that you don't need to work for what you

>>> get....

>>>

>> Ye Olde Protestant Work Ethic. You guess wrong as usual.

>

> Then why are the majority of the poor still poor?

>

 

Why don't you go ask a few and find out?

 

Alias

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:29:34 -0500, DanS

> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>

>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in

>> news:MPG.2106f590c24f0a909897c1@adfree.Usenet.com:

>>

>>> Maybe you should read EXACTLY what I type instead of trying to read

>>> more into it than I typed.

>> Ain't it the truth......

>

> Truth? What would an obvious right winger like Leythos know about the

> truth?

>

And the left has a LOCK on knowing the truth? lol The extremes on both

sides have made any agreement on common ground that might be beneficial

to the masses a pipe dream.

 

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