In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>

> Then download from

 

Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

Moor?

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Leythos wrote:

> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>> Then download from

>

> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

> Moor?

>

 

Why not?

 

Alias

In article <Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

> > nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

> >> Then download from

> >

> > Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

> > Moor?

> >

>

> Why not?

 

Why?

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

news:Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>> Then download from

>>

>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>> Moor?

>>

>

> Why not?

>

> Alias

 

Because his idea of an intelligent information source is Pat Boone at

http://www.worldnetdaily.com

Leythos wrote:

> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>> Then download from

>

> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

> Moor?

>

You wouldn't understand.

Allen

Leythos wrote:

> In article <Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>>> Then download from

>>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>>> Moor?

>>>

>> Why not?

>

> Why?

>

 

Considering the sorry state of the US' "health care", one would think

that calling that to task is a noble effort. Although at times

Fahrenheit was a bit boring, it made some good points.

 

Are you still supportive of Bush, Leythos?

 

Alias

fran wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>>> Then download from

>>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>>> Moor?

>>>

>> Why not?

>>

>> Alias

>

> Because his idea of an intelligent information source is Pat Boone at

> http://www.worldnetdaily.com

>

>

 

I don't see Pat Boone referenced on that web site. Do you mean the singer?

 

Fact is that the US health system is one of the worst in the world,

profit orientated and not patient orientated. How a country can call

itself "first world" when over 40 million of its citizens have no health

coverage is beyond comprehension.

 

Alias

Allen wrote:

> Leythos wrote:

>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>> Then download from

>>

>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>> Moor?

>>

> You wouldn't understand.

> Allen

 

Really? Try me.

 

Alias

In article <OQhl2i7xHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

> Fact is that the US health system is one of the worst in the world,

> profit orientated and not patient orientated. How a country can call

> itself "first world" when over 40 million of its citizens have no health

> coverage is beyond comprehension.

 

They why to people from most civilized countries come to the USA for

serious medical treatment?

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <eW2#Gg7xHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> > aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

> >>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

> >>>> Then download from

> >>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

> >>> Moor?

> >>>

> >> Why not?

> >

> > Why?

> >

>

> Considering the sorry state of the US' "health care", one would think

> that calling that to task is a noble effort. Although at times

> Fahrenheit was a bit boring, it made some good points.

 

Points are only good if they are valid. Points that are believed to be

valid because of slanted/unfactual information that is only partially

true are not really points, they are blunts.

 

Health care sucks everywhere, that's why people from other countries

come here for serious medical procedures. We have great health care, but

we have a bunch of people that think the free ride should extend to all

things - those people are never going to be happy until they have what

the people that work hard have.

> Are you still supportive of Bush, Leythos?

 

What does that have to do with MM?

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <469b81a5$0$4660$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, allen@nothere.net

says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

> > nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

> >> Then download from

> >

> > Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

> > Moor?

> >

> You wouldn't understand.

 

And you and Alias don't appear to either. I asked a simple question, why

would any Intelligent person want to watch anything from MM?

 

How about this simple one: Why do you consider anything MM says to be

worth watching?

 

--

 

Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Leythos wrote:

> In article <OQhl2i7xHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>> Fact is that the US health system is one of the worst in the world,

>> profit orientated and not patient orientated. How a country can call

>> itself "first world" when over 40 million of its citizens have no health

>> coverage is beyond comprehension.

>

> They why to people from most civilized countries come to the USA for

> serious medical treatment?

>

 

Trying to trot out a straw man again, eh? Address the fact that over 40

million US citizens have no health coverage if you can. The current

advances in medicine are not coming from the USA but Europe. The fact

that some Saudi Sheik who is having is ass kissed by Bush comes to the

USA to put him or herself at the front of the line for transplants

doesn't give the US health system much credibility.

 

I pay 240 euros a month (330 US dollars at the current exchange rate)

and there is no deductible, no ceiling on what can be spent, no penalty

for a "previous condition" and we are a family of three. What would that

cost you in the States? If you don't have any money here, you STILL get

full coverage and pay NOTHING a month.

 

I had an operation here and was not only treated very, very well, the

operation was a total success. I'll never forget one time when I was in

Texas and this black lady had "lost" her baby. I overheard the doctor

telling the nurse to get the lady to sign a no liability form before "We

tell her we killed her baby because she has no money".

 

Another time, in California, my wife broke water and we called an

ambulance. The first hospital would not deliver the baby because we had

no insurance. Ditto, the second hospital. Due to the fact that when we

arrived at the third hospital, my child's head was coming out, they

decided to do the delivery and send me a large bill.

 

If you want to trust your health to money grubbing doctors who are more

concerned about their golf game, social status and BMW cars, be my guest.

 

Alias

Leythos wrote:

> In article <eW2#Gg7xHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

>>> aka@maskedandanonymous.info says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>>>>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>>>>> Then download from

>>>>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>>>>> Moor?

>>>>>

>>>> Why not?

>>> Why?

>>>

>> Considering the sorry state of the US' "health care", one would think

>> that calling that to task is a noble effort. Although at times

>> Fahrenheit was a bit boring, it made some good points.

>

> Points are only good if they are valid. Points that are believed to be

> valid because of slanted/unfactual information that is only partially

> true are not really points, they are blunts.

>

> Health care sucks everywhere, that's why people from other countries

> come here for serious medical procedures. We have great health care, but

> we have a bunch of people that think the free ride should extend to all

> things - those people are never going to be happy until they have what

> the people that work hard have.

 

Read my other post.

>

>> Are you still supportive of Bush, Leythos?

>

> What does that have to do with MM?

 

He doesn't support universal health care for Americans, of course.

Health care in the USA is only for those who have money.

 

Alias

Leythos wrote:

> In article <469b81a5$0$4660$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, allen@nothere.net

> says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>>> Then download from

>>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>>> Moor?

>>>

>> You wouldn't understand.

>

> And you and Alias don't appear to either. I asked a simple question, why

> would any Intelligent person want to watch anything from MM?

>

> How about this simple one: Why do you consider anything MM says to be

> worth watching?

>

 

There were some entertaining parts of Fahrenheit. Bush's reaction to

9/11 was priceless. Nonetheless, I don't think he made a very strong

argument. I haven't seen any of his other films and have no plans to see

them.

 

Alias

I guess: Because they ARE intelligent!

 

Thank God for truth tellers like Michael Moore!

 

--

I Bleed Blue and Gold

GO BEARS!

 

 

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

news:MPG.21053b0a220aab7d98978e@adfree.Usenet.com...

> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>

>> Then download from

>

> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

> Moor?

>

> --

>

> Leythos

> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:27:25 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <469b81a5$0$4660$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, allen@nothere.net

>says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>> > In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>> > nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>> >> Then download from

>> >

>> > Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>> > Moor?

>> >

>> You wouldn't understand.

>

>And you and Alias don't appear to either. I asked a simple question, why

>would any Intelligent person want to watch anything from MM?

 

Because Moore happens to be an award winning director/producer of

documentaries. Got any more dumb questions?

 

I haven't see Sicko yet, but plan to. His F-911 film not only was

factual, (had to be since it was 90% actual unedited footage from news

sources) but damn funny in spots as well. If you didn't see it, you

missed some great scenes. Like extreme close ups of the idiot Bush

with assorted dumb looks on his face. The bimbo Missy Rice our no

nothing Secretary of State smearing tons of make up all over her pock

covered face, the evil Chaney sneering, strutting stumbling around,

and in my opinion the funniest scene in the movie was the war monger

and master architect of Bush's Iraq war and all around damn fool, Paul

Wolfowitz spitting into his hands then rubbing his spit into his hair

trying to long presentable. Priceless moment!

 

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/16/paulwolfowitz_wideweb__470x341,0.jpg

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

news:OQhl2i7xHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> fran wrote:

>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>> news:Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>>>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>>>> Then download from

>>>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>>>> Moor?

>>>>

>>> Why not?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Because his idea of an intelligent information source is Pat Boone at

>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com

>

> I don't see Pat Boone referenced on that web site. Do you mean the singer?

 

Pat Boone, the singer, is a regular contributor to that website. He is the

stereotypical crotchety old geezer who keeps talking about how much better

the old days were.

keyboarder wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

> news:OQhl2i7xHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> fran wrote:

>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message

>>> news:Ozxlaz6xHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>>>>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>>>>> Then download from

>>>>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>>>>> Moor?

>>>>>

>>>> Why not?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>> Because his idea of an intelligent information source is Pat Boone at

>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com

>> I don't see Pat Boone referenced on that web site. Do you mean the singer?

>

> Pat Boone, the singer, is a regular contributor to that website. He is the

> stereotypical crotchety old geezer who keeps talking about how much better

> the old days were.

>

>

 

I never cared for Pat. During his "days", I was much more into Elvis

before Col. Tom Parker and the US Army ruined him.

 

Alias

Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>They why to people from most civilized countries come to the USA for

>serious medical treatment?

 

Easy. Because first rate medical care is available here IF YOU CAN

AFFORD IT. Americans with good insurance can afford it. Rich people

from all over the world can. Americans with low-paying jobs that don't

offer insurance, or offer poor insurance can't afford it.

 

--

Tim Slattery

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

Amen, Cal!

 

I have been a healthcare executive for over 22 years and Michael Moore has

hit the nail squarely on the head as have some others in this thread...

 

We do not have a healthcare system in this country. We have a sickcare

system, a curative as opposed to preventive mindset which has led us to this

situation we are in. Over 43 million have no health insurance at least part

of the year and we are spending in excess of $2.2 trillion per annum. And

yet, we still are 37th in the world?

 

What's up with that?

 

Profit motivates service instead of patients motivating service.

 

Bad news all around.

 

Oh, and Leythos, I suggest you check into the increasing number of Americans

who are traveling to Europe and India for elective procedures, primarily due

to cost and availability of procedure issues.

 

Something has got to give. I personally am quite tired of reading about

multimillion dollar salaries for health insurance company executives whose

organizations routinely deny coverage or care for patients in need. When

their goal should be to provide care, all they are interested in is denying

it.

 

Rant off.

 

JC

 

 

"Cal Bear '66" <xxx@xxx.org> wrote in message

news:60CC1ED9-E9D9-4487-B85F-F59259139DAC@microsoft.com...

>I guess: Because they ARE intelligent!

>

> Thank God for truth tellers like Michael Moore!

>

> --

> I Bleed Blue and Gold

> GO BEARS!

>

>

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.21053b0a220aab7d98978e@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> In article <1fa115ca424b63799e3f8b18c1cef761@pseudo.borked.net>,

>> nobody@pseudo.borked.net says...

>>>

>>> Then download from

>>

>> Why would any intelligent person what to watch anything from Michael

>> Moor?

>>

>> --

>>

>> Leythos

>> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

>> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

>> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

>

>

Academy Award for Directing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Directing

 

"John Ford is the only director with four Best Director Oscars, followed by

Frank Capra and William Wyler, with three Best Director Academy Awards

apiece. Wyler has the most nominations, 12. Robert Altman, Clarence Brown,

Alfred Hitchcock, and King Vidor are tied for the most nominations without a

win, at five each."

 

Sir Alfred Hitchcock never won an award, and his movies were scarier, but he

had a lot more credibility.

 

Awards look good on a shelf but are meaningless. Especially in the

documentary category, where competition is scarce and low budget.

 

All I see is some rich bozo getting richer off the misery of others, and a

bunch of people paying him money for it.

 

Oh, well, why should they be any different than the Star Wars fans, Star

Trek fans, Harry Potter fans, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre fans?

 

KB

 

"Adam Albright" wrote in message

news:e94n931v4isdbi2c4l8k726fimq33afdrq@4ax.com

> Because Moore happens to be an award winning director/producer of

> documentaries. Got any more dumb questions?

Wrong! People from *some* poor contries with less advanced medical

facilities have received spcialized medical care paid for by other people

and organization, humanitarian aid.

 

Unfortunately, now it seems that possible terrorists are requesting visas

for "medical treatment" they don't need, the way others before then abused

the student visa system for flight schools.

 

"Tim Slattery" wrote in message

news:ir6n93tp6i34enl7mti3j0pnlko39gt93r@4ax.com...

> Leythos wrote:

>

>>They why to people from most civilized countries come to the USA for

>>serious medical treatment?

>

> Easy. Because first rate medical care is available here IF YOU CAN

> AFFORD IT. Americans with good insurance can afford it. Rich people

> from all over the world can. Americans with low-paying jobs that don't

> offer insurance, or offer poor insurance can't afford it.

>

KristleBawl wrote:

> Academy Award for Directing

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Directing

>

> "John Ford is the only director with four Best Director Oscars, followed by

> Frank Capra and William Wyler, with three Best Director Academy Awards

> apiece. Wyler has the most nominations, 12. Robert Altman, Clarence Brown,

> Alfred Hitchcock, and King Vidor are tied for the most nominations without a

> win, at five each."

>

> Sir Alfred Hitchcock never won an award, and his movies were scarier, but he

> had a lot more credibility.

>

> Awards look good on a shelf but are meaningless. Especially in the

> documentary category, where competition is scarce and low budget.

>

> All I see is some rich bozo getting richer off the misery of others, and a

> bunch of people paying him money for it.

>

> Oh, well, why should they be any different than the Star Wars fans, Star

> Trek fans, Harry Potter fans, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre fans?

>

> KB

 

Or the Microsoft fans -)

 

Alias

>

> "Adam Albright" wrote in message

> news:e94n931v4isdbi2c4l8k726fimq33afdrq@4ax.com

>> Because Moore happens to be an award winning director/producer of

>> documentaries. Got any more dumb questions?

>

>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:29:15 -0500, "John Chamberlain"

<jmcfache@fastlineisp.com> wrote:

>Amen, Cal!

>

>I have been a healthcare executive for over 22 years and Michael Moore has

>hit the nail squarely on the head as have some others in this thread...

>

>We do not have a healthcare system in this country. We have a sickcare

>system, a curative as opposed to preventive mindset which has led us to this

>situation we are in. Over 43 million have no health insurance at least part

>of the year and we are spending in excess of $2.2 trillion per annum. And

>yet, we still are 37th in the world?

 

No kidding! Just a little tidbit. One of my cousins is married to a

doctor that's part of a large rural practice in Michigan. Anyhow she

needed some surgery on her foot. Instead of doing it locally where did

she go? To Mexico where she got an excellent result at a fraction of

the cost from a highly respected surgeon.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:34:24 -0400, "KristleBawl"

<kristlebawl@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Academy Award for Directing

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Directing

>

>"John Ford is the only director with four Best Director Oscars, followed by

>Frank Capra and William Wyler, with three Best Director Academy Awards

>apiece. Wyler has the most nominations, 12. Robert Altman, Clarence Brown,

>Alfred Hitchcock, and King Vidor are tied for the most nominations without a

>win, at five each."

>

>Sir Alfred Hitchcock never won an award, and his movies were scarier, but he

>had a lot more credibility.

>

>Awards look good on a shelf but are meaningless. Especially in the

>documentary category, where competition is scarce and low budget.

>

>All I see is some rich bozo getting richer off the misery of others, and a

>bunch of people paying him money for it.

>

>Oh, well, why should they be any different than the Star Wars fans, Star

>Trek fans, Harry Potter fans, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre fans?

 

Careful... your ignorance is showing again. Are you this biased on ALL

topics?

 

EVERY movie Moore has made so far hit a nerve. He unlike many of the

phony Hollywood crowd has the balls to do subjects others wouldn't

touch with a ten foot pool.

 

So far Moore has dared to expose the influence of guns in American

society and found it to be sick, disgusting and out of control. He did

a movie on how giant companies like General Motors mistreat employees,

he went after the Bozos in our government and how they are unduly

influenced by special interests and foreign governments and now he's

going after health care, especially the evil insurance companies that

rape Americans to the tune of trillions of dollars annually. Good for

him.

 

So I guess you don't think much of the MVP "award" either? Neither to

do I. Talk about a phony, meaningless, useless award. <snicker>