Vista; Step back in Time

March 8, 200817 yr

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:fqv24v0qb1@news5.newsguy.com...

> dennis@home wrote:

>

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:edP66BUgIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fquepd04oc@news4.newsguy.com...

>>>> DM wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> HAHAH!!!

>>>>> That is a powerful statement!!!

>>>>>

>>>>> What OS do you prefer?

>>>>>

>>>> Ubuntu!

>>>>

>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com

>>>>

>>>> Free. Access to 25000+ free software packages. Rock stable. Secure.

>>>> Powerful. Configurable. Leading edge. Free of DRM. Free of

>>>> "activation".

>>>> Fast. Can install on as many computers as you want. The 21st Century

>>>> way

>>>> of

>>>> using a computer.

>>>>

>>>> Cheers.

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

>>>>>> DM wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>>>>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the

>>>>>>> term obvious.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run

>>>>>> Vista.

>>>>>> :-)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Cheers.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> What does Bill Gates use?

>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> AlexB's abacus:

>>>>>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg The

>>>>>> closest

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> "computing" that man should go.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>>>>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> What does Bill Gates use?

>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>>

>>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>>

>>>> AlexB's abacus:

>>>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

>>>> The closest to "computing" that man should go.

>>>>

>>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>>>

>>>

>>> 25000 free programs, most of which are firmly in the realm of

>>> technical..

>>>

>>

>> Wrong answer.. none stop will argue about that.

>> the fact that *all* of the useful free programs are also available for

>> windows sort of makes it a stupid claim.

>> "Get windows and have access to 25000 free programs and a lot of games

>> and

>> other programs you can't get on linux"

>

> Yes like OS stopping viruses and Internet polluting trojans. Any other

> wise

> words of wisdom, dennis? Thought not.

worms, root kits, etc, free for windows and linux if you are stupid enough

to install them.

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

> NoStop wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> NoStop wrote:

>>>

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fquepd04oc@news4.newsguy.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>> DM wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> HAHAH!!!

>>>>>>> That is a powerful statement!!!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What OS do you prefer?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ubuntu!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Free. Access to 25000+ free software packages. Rock stable. Secure.

>>>>>> Powerful. Configurable. Leading edge. Free of DRM. Free of

>>>>>> "activation".

>>>>>> Fast. Can install on as many computers as you want. The 21st

>>>>>> Century way

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> using a computer.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Cheers.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> DM wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>>>>>>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the

>>>>>>>>> things

>>>>>>>>> to configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you

>>>>>>>>> used

>>>>>>>>> the term obvious.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run

>>>>>>>> Vista.

>>>>>>>> :-)

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Cheers.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> What does Bill Gates use?

>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> AlexB's abacus:

>>>>>>>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg The

>>>>>>>> closest

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> "computing" that man should go.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>>>>>>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> What does Bill Gates use?

>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> AlexB's abacus:

>>>>>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg The

>>>>>> closest

>>>>>> to "computing" that man should go.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>>>>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> 25000 free programs, most of which are firmly in the realm of

>>>>> technical..

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Yeh, I guess email clients, multimedia programs, photo collection

>>>> utilities, networking utilities and an effective commandline shell are

>>>> all too technical for you. Understandable if one is a Vista Fanboy. For

>>>> the rest of the world, Linux provides everything anyone needs to run a

>>>> computer efficiently. Just in case you've never looked, today's Linux

>>>> distros actually contain a GUI desktop, with icons, wizards and all

>>>> that "technical" stuff you seem unable to assimilate without the

>>>> need to

>>>> go to third-parties to purchase functionality.

>>>>

>>>> Cheers.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Oh really?

>>> A quick precursory glance over at the linux ng tells a completely

>>> different story.

>>> Frank

>>

>> YOU, Francis, don't understand ordinary English.

>

> My name is Frank, not Francis. I made a rather clear and simple

> statement that is completely truthful. What part of it don't you

> understand?

I understand that your name could be Doofus for all we know. There are

millions of Franks out there so you haven't identified yourself at all.

>

> I doubt very much you could

>> wrap your brain damaged head...

>

> Sorry, but I've never suffered from any form of "brain damage"...

Must be inborn then.

>

> around Linux technical discussions and make

>> any sense of it.

>

> You haven't posted any linux technical discussion here.

> Can't you address my statement or is it too "technical" for you?

Frustrated Vista users that come here and don't know about Ubuntu *will*

hear about it. When they, unlike you, install Ubuntu, they will find

links to forums and documentation by merely opening Firefox, something

you wouldn't know about unless you've installed Ubuntu, which, of

course, you haven't because you're too stupid to install it.

>

> Go away Troll.

>

> I am not a troll but You are.

> Frank

You're the first troll I've met that is too stupid to even know your a

troll. Does it run in the family?

Alias

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

>

> Frustrated Vista users that come here and don't know about Ubuntu *will*

> hear about it.

Yeah, from a lying linux troll like you no doubt. Guess what you idiot

loser, they also know that you are a liar, a spammer and vile POS for a

human being.

When they, unlike you, install Ubuntu, they will find

> links to forums and documentation by merely opening Firefox, something

> you wouldn't know about unless you've installed Ubuntu, which, of

> course, you haven't because you're too stupid to install it.

Did you have your butt-fukkin buddy, nostop, install it for you...in

urbuttoo...LOL!

>

>>

>> Go away Troll.

>>

>> I am not a troll but You are.

>> Frank

>

> You're the first troll I've met that is too stupid to even know your a

> troll. Does it run in the family?

Hey, how is your family relationship with that sheep you're in love with

coming along, huh?

Frank

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

>

> Hey, how is your family relationship with that sheep you're in love with

> coming along, huh?

> Frank

Now I'm supposed to call my relatives and friends in California and sic

them on you and I should throw a hissy fit here? LOL!

Alias

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

In article <BE5BF0F4-7E65-4D15-8202-3CE786B49AE5@microsoft.com>,

Kerry Brown <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote:

>

>In my mind answering every question with "Switch to Linux" isn't very

>helpful. I consider that trolling.

>

Do you like green eggs and ham?

Remember what happens when he finally tries them!!! :-) :-)

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

In article <fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com>, NoStop <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>

>K3B - far better than Nero.

Ummm, what's wrong with cdrecord?

>Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

Yeah? Make it work with AD :-)

>gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

Still can't really be used for professional work.

>Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

/shudder. Kde rulez, dude.

>Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in incredible ways

What's wrong with find and ls?

My point is that linux has some great stuff but the desktop is NOT its

major strength...

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>>

>> Hey, how is your family relationship with that sheep you're in love

>> with coming along, huh?

>> Frank

>

> Now I'm supposed to call my relatives and friends in California and sic

> them on you and I should throw a hissy fit here? LOL!

>

> Alias

Hey,as long as you and sheep are happy I don't really give a sh*t!

Frank

oh, btw, what is her/his name...?

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

> Thanks SteveT for helping me put this in perspective. However, you are

> still outside looking in, tell me what you think now unless I hit the nail

> on the head.

In a nutshell: I've been using Vista continuously on my main computer since

it was launched in the UK on 30th January 2007.

It was a bit "fragile" to begin with, but it has become more and more solid

as the patches have rolled in. It runs 24/7/52 and has NEVER crashed. The

only reboots are those forced (rarely) after a patch.

In my opinion: the so-called "classic" chiselled look of W95 was OK in its

day, but is actually very visually "noisy" (highlights, shadows, splitters,

etc) compared with the flatter and smoother XP look.

In my opinion: the XP user interface, with its Fisher Price colour scheme,

stupid sounds (giggling children, for god's sake) and the patronising "My"

in front of everything was an insult to the intelligence of the user,

although it works well enough.

In my opinion: the Vista user interface is an improvement on XP, although

they do seem to have made some changes that don't add value - they're just

change for the sake of change. Certainly it is more polished and

sophisticated and doesn't patronise the user. In fact, I would go so far as

to say that the Vista UI is really what XP should have had from the

beginning. Aero is OK, I guess, although I'm not convinced the transparency

adds much to useability.

UAC doesn't bother me - the prompts became quite rare once I'd finished

installing and fiddling with everything. Now I quite like the computer

telling me when something with security implications is about to happen.

There's a lot of new technology under the hood of Vista - and it's a shame

that relatively little of it shows to the user (the bit that does - UAC - is

unfamiliar to Windows users and thus annoying). However, I think it shows

promise for future OS developments.

To summarise, then, I prefer Vista to any of the previous Windows versions.

My installation has been rock solid and performs well. Having said that,

the advantages apparent to the user are fairly underwhelming.

SteveT

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Hey, how is your family relationship with that sheep you're in love

>>> with coming along, huh?

>>> Frank

>>

>> Now I'm supposed to call my relatives and friends in California and

>> sic them on you and I should throw a hissy fit here? LOL!

>>

>> Alias

>

> Hey,as long as you and sheep are happy I don't really give a sh*t!

> Frank

>

> oh, btw, what is her/his name...?

Well, at least I know you don't know where I live. There isn't a sheep

for miles around except at the butcher shop.

Alias

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:OvW18VUgIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com...

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

Since I have the spud KF'd, I'll hit on some of his issues since you quoted

him. I like Mandrake/Mandriva and have used the apps he quotes. Response in

line, with extraneous BS snipped. Again, this post is by no means to you

Mike.

>>> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>>>

>> Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my head ...

>>

>> Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer available on any

>> system, bar none.

Sorry. Winamp, QCD, and even SAM broadcaster blow this one away.

>> K3B - far better than Nero.

Sorry. Not even close to the functionality and power of Nero.

>> Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

Sorry, it's good, but not THAT good. There are still problems.

>> mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

There are versions of mysql for Windows. This is about what kick ass

programs are available for Linux. Try not to overlap.

>> apache - THE webserver of the Internet

Which dropped market share from 71% to 52.6% against IIS. It is no longer

THE webserver, and it is dropping steadily.

>> gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

While I like Gimp, FREE is the key word. You get what you pay for. Still

doesn't touch Photoshop or PSP.

>> Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

Way wrong. Trillian has this beat hands down.

>> Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

Not even close to mIRC, Chatzilla, or XChat for Windows.

>> Knode - my preferred newsreader

You ARE kidding right? Firefox, Opera, Netscape, and even IE blow this

kludgy piece of crap away.

>> Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great features.

Love Evolution, but still doesn't come close to Outlook.

>> Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

This is not a program, it is a desktop environment (shell) like Explorer.

This is the one I used for my desktop, but still not an application which is

what this is all about

>> Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop available

>> which

>> leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

Woohoo it's a cube. Again, this is NOT a program, it is an OpenGL

compositing and windows manger. Just sits on top of Gnome, KDE, etc. In fact

you are wasting resources because this has to ride on top of the shell,

instead of being integrated.

>> Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in incredible ways

Has to be one one of the worst file managers in existence. At best, an

explorer clone.

>> VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

You're overlapping again. There is a Windows version of this. Stick with

Linux only software.

>> The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

And that is because for the most part, they are not equivalent to a

comparable Windows program. Again, you get what you pay for.

You know, you shouldn't embarrass yourself like this, because there are

those of us that know both systems, and can prove you wrong. Unlike you

zealots however, I could care less what operating system you use. If Linux

does it for you, great. As long as you can do the stuff you need to do.

Should I go into c.o.l.a. and telling them that is crap, and they need to

switch to Vista? What you smacktards lack though is respect for people's

decision to use what they want. You and your ilk are a smacktards not

because you use Linux or whatever, but because you are just like any other

loony group of zealots. You get treated like a bunch of retards. You guys

could be so beneficial to the support group of your chosen OS, so why you

all choose to continue to act like imbeciles is very puzzling. Just once you

might want to try being unbiased. You might find that you like it.

--

Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.

http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel

Undo the munge to reply by email

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Hey, how is your family relationship with that sheep you're in love

>>>> with coming along, huh?

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>> Now I'm supposed to call my relatives and friends in California and

>>> sic them on you and I should throw a hissy fit here? LOL!

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Hey,as long as you and sheep are happy I don't really give a sh*t!

>> Frank

>>

>> oh, btw, what is her/his name...?

>

> Well, at least I know you don't know where I live. There isn't a sheep

> for miles around except at the butcher shop.

>

> Alias

Oh, I don't? The sheep are at the butcher shop? You and the butcher?

Now that is really sick!

Get some help for Christ sake!

Disgusting!

Frank

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

"DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote in message

news:6692D94E-AA28-411D-A8A1-AEFCBAFA1C8A@microsoft.com...

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:OvW18VUgIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com...

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

> Since I have the spud KF'd, I'll hit on some of his issues since you

> quoted him. I like Mandrake/Mandriva and have used the apps he quotes.

> Response in line, with extraneous BS snipped. Again, this post is by no

> means to you Mike.

>

>>>> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>>>>

>>> Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my head ...

>>>

>>> Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer available on

>>> any

>>> system, bar none.

>

> Sorry. Winamp, QCD, and even SAM broadcaster blow this one away.

>

>>> K3B - far better than Nero.

>

> Sorry. Not even close to the functionality and power of Nero.

>

>>> Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

>

> Sorry, it's good, but not THAT good. There are still problems.

>

>>> mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

>

> There are versions of mysql for Windows. This is about what kick ass

> programs are available for Linux. Try not to overlap.

>

>>> apache - THE webserver of the Internet

>

> Which dropped market share from 71% to 52.6% against IIS. It is no longer

> THE webserver, and it is dropping steadily.

>

>>> gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

>

> While I like Gimp, FREE is the key word. You get what you pay for. Still

> doesn't touch Photoshop or PSP.

>

>>> Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

>

> Way wrong. Trillian has this beat hands down.

>

>>> Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

>

> Not even close to mIRC, Chatzilla, or XChat for Windows.

>

>>> Knode - my preferred newsreader

>

> You ARE kidding right? Firefox, Opera, Netscape, and even IE blow this

> kludgy piece of crap away.

>

>>> Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great features.

>

> Love Evolution, but still doesn't come close to Outlook.

>

>>> Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

>

> This is not a program, it is a desktop environment (shell) like Explorer.

> This is the one I used for my desktop, but still not an application which

> is what this is all about

>

>>> Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop available

>>> which

>>> leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

>

> Woohoo it's a cube. Again, this is NOT a program, it is an OpenGL

> compositing and windows manger. Just sits on top of Gnome, KDE, etc. In

> fact you are wasting resources because this has to ride on top of the

> shell, instead of being integrated.

>

>>> Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in incredible

>>> ways

>

> Has to be one one of the worst file managers in existence. At best, an

> explorer clone.

>

>>> VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

>

> You're overlapping again. There is a Windows version of this. Stick with

> Linux only software.

>

>>> The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

>

> And that is because for the most part, they are not equivalent to a

> comparable Windows program. Again, you get what you pay for.

>

> You know, you shouldn't embarrass yourself like this, because there are

> those of us that know both systems, and can prove you wrong. Unlike you

> zealots however, I could care less what operating system you use. If Linux

> does it for you, great. As long as you can do the stuff you need to do.

> Should I go into c.o.l.a. and telling them that is crap, and they need to

> switch to Vista? What you smacktards lack though is respect for people's

> decision to use what they want. You and your ilk are a smacktards not

> because you use Linux or whatever, but because you are just like any other

> loony group of zealots. You get treated like a bunch of retards. You guys

> could be so beneficial to the support group of your chosen OS, so why you

> all choose to continue to act like imbeciles is very puzzling. Just once

> you might want to try being unbiased. You might find that you like it.

>

> --

> Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.

> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel

> Undo the munge to reply by email

>

A nicely written piece.. way to go..

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote in

> message news:6692D94E-AA28-411D-A8A1-AEFCBAFA1C8A@microsoft.com...

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:OvW18VUgIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com...

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>> Since I have the spud KF'd, I'll hit on some of his issues since you

>> quoted him. I like Mandrake/Mandriva and have used the apps he

>> quotes. Response in line, with extraneous BS snipped. Again, this post

>> is by no means to you Mike.

>>

>>>>> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>>>>>

>>>> Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my head ...

>>>>

>>>> Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer available

>>>> on any

>>>> system, bar none.

>>

>> Sorry. Winamp, QCD, and even SAM broadcaster blow this one away.

>>

>>>> K3B - far better than Nero.

>>

>> Sorry. Not even close to the functionality and power of Nero.

>>

>>>> Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

>>

>> Sorry, it's good, but not THAT good. There are still problems.

>>

>>>> mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

>>

>> There are versions of mysql for Windows. This is about what kick ass

>> programs are available for Linux. Try not to overlap.

>>

>>>> apache - THE webserver of the Internet

>>

>> Which dropped market share from 71% to 52.6% against IIS. It is no

>> longer THE webserver, and it is dropping steadily.

>>

>>>> gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

>>

>> While I like Gimp, FREE is the key word. You get what you pay for.

>> Still doesn't touch Photoshop or PSP.

>>

>>>> Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

>>

>> Way wrong. Trillian has this beat hands down.

>>

>>>> Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

>>

>> Not even close to mIRC, Chatzilla, or XChat for Windows.

>>

>>>> Knode - my preferred newsreader

>>

>> You ARE kidding right? Firefox, Opera, Netscape, and even IE blow this

>> kludgy piece of crap away.

>>

>>>> Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great features.

>>

>> Love Evolution, but still doesn't come close to Outlook.

>>

>>>> Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

>>

>> This is not a program, it is a desktop environment (shell) like

>> Explorer. This is the one I used for my desktop, but still not an

>> application which is what this is all about

>>

>>>> Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop

>>>> available which

>>>> leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

>>

>> Woohoo it's a cube. Again, this is NOT a program, it is an OpenGL

>> compositing and windows manger. Just sits on top of Gnome, KDE, etc.

>> In fact you are wasting resources because this has to ride on top of

>> the shell, instead of being integrated.

>>

>>>> Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in incredible

>>>> ways

>>

>> Has to be one one of the worst file managers in existence. At best, an

>> explorer clone.

>>

>>>> VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

>>

>> You're overlapping again. There is a Windows version of this. Stick

>> with Linux only software.

>>

>>>> The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

>>

>> And that is because for the most part, they are not equivalent to a

>> comparable Windows program. Again, you get what you pay for.

>>

>> You know, you shouldn't embarrass yourself like this, because there

>> are those of us that know both systems, and can prove you wrong.

>> Unlike you zealots however, I could care less what operating system

>> you use. If Linux does it for you, great. As long as you can do the

>> stuff you need to do. Should I go into c.o.l.a. and telling them that

>> is crap, and they need to switch to Vista? What you smacktards lack

>> though is respect for people's decision to use what they want. You and

>> your ilk are a smacktards not because you use Linux or whatever, but

>> because you are just like any other loony group of zealots. You get

>> treated like a bunch of retards. You guys could be so beneficial to

>> the support group of your chosen OS, so why you all choose to continue

>> to act like imbeciles is very puzzling. Just once you might want to

>> try being unbiased. You might find that you like it.

>>

>> --

>> Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.

>> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel

>> Undo the munge to reply by email

>>

>

> A nicely written piece.. way to go..

>

Three big differences between Windows and Ubuntu: stability, price and

being prone or not prone to viruses and malware. In all three

categories, Ubuntu beats Windows hands down. 99% of home users would be

better off running Ubuntu and that's a fact, Jack.

Alias

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Hey, how is your family relationship with that sheep you're in love

>>>>> with coming along, huh?

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>> Now I'm supposed to call my relatives and friends in California and

>>>> sic them on you and I should throw a hissy fit here? LOL!

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Hey,as long as you and sheep are happy I don't really give a sh*t!

>>> Frank

>>>

>>> oh, btw, what is her/his name...?

>>

>> Well, at least I know you don't know where I live. There isn't a sheep

>> for miles around except at the butcher shop.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Oh, I don't? The sheep are at the butcher shop? You and the butcher?

> Now that is really sick!

> Get some help for Christ sake!

> Disgusting!

> Frank

Once again Frank reveals what an idiot he is and how he can't read and

understand simple English.

Alias

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

In article <OxmjJMegIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>

>It runs 24/7/52 and has NEVER crashed.

What about the other 313?

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> "DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote in

>> message news:6692D94E-AA28-411D-A8A1-AEFCBAFA1C8A@microsoft.com...

>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OvW18VUgIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com...

>>>>

>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>> Since I have the spud KF'd, I'll hit on some of his issues since you

>>> quoted him. I like Mandrake/Mandriva and have used the apps he

>>> quotes. Response in line, with extraneous BS snipped. Again, this

>>> post is by no means to you Mike.

>>>

>>>>>> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>>>>>>

>>>>> Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my head ...

>>>>>

>>>>> Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer available

>>>>> on any

>>>>> system, bar none.

>>>

>>> Sorry. Winamp, QCD, and even SAM broadcaster blow this one away.

>>>

>>>>> K3B - far better than Nero.

>>>

>>> Sorry. Not even close to the functionality and power of Nero.

>>>

>>>>> Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

>>>

>>> Sorry, it's good, but not THAT good. There are still problems.

>>>

>>>>> mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

>>>

>>> There are versions of mysql for Windows. This is about what kick ass

>>> programs are available for Linux. Try not to overlap.

>>>

>>>>> apache - THE webserver of the Internet

>>>

>>> Which dropped market share from 71% to 52.6% against IIS. It is no

>>> longer THE webserver, and it is dropping steadily.

>>>

>>>>> gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

>>>

>>> While I like Gimp, FREE is the key word. You get what you pay for.

>>> Still doesn't touch Photoshop or PSP.

>>>

>>>>> Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

>>>

>>> Way wrong. Trillian has this beat hands down.

>>>

>>>>> Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

>>>

>>> Not even close to mIRC, Chatzilla, or XChat for Windows.

>>>

>>>>> Knode - my preferred newsreader

>>>

>>> You ARE kidding right? Firefox, Opera, Netscape, and even IE blow

>>> this kludgy piece of crap away.

>>>

>>>>> Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great features.

>>>

>>> Love Evolution, but still doesn't come close to Outlook.

>>>

>>>>> Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

>>>

>>> This is not a program, it is a desktop environment (shell) like

>>> Explorer. This is the one I used for my desktop, but still not an

>>> application which is what this is all about

>>>

>>>>> Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop

>>>>> available which

>>>>> leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

>>>

>>> Woohoo it's a cube. Again, this is NOT a program, it is an OpenGL

>>> compositing and windows manger. Just sits on top of Gnome, KDE, etc.

>>> In fact you are wasting resources because this has to ride on top of

>>> the shell, instead of being integrated.

>>>

>>>>> Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in

>>>>> incredible ways

>>>

>>> Has to be one one of the worst file managers in existence. At best,

>>> an explorer clone.

>>>

>>>>> VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

>>>

>>> You're overlapping again. There is a Windows version of this. Stick

>>> with Linux only software.

>>>

>>>>> The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

>>>

>>> And that is because for the most part, they are not equivalent to a

>>> comparable Windows program. Again, you get what you pay for.

>>>

>>> You know, you shouldn't embarrass yourself like this, because there

>>> are those of us that know both systems, and can prove you wrong.

>>> Unlike you zealots however, I could care less what operating system

>>> you use. If Linux does it for you, great. As long as you can do the

>>> stuff you need to do. Should I go into c.o.l.a. and telling them that

>>> is crap, and they need to switch to Vista? What you smacktards lack

>>> though is respect for people's decision to use what they want. You

>>> and your ilk are a smacktards not because you use Linux or whatever,

>>> but because you are just like any other loony group of zealots. You

>>> get treated like a bunch of retards. You guys could be so beneficial

>>> to the support group of your chosen OS, so why you all choose to

>>> continue to act like imbeciles is very puzzling. Just once you might

>>> want to try being unbiased. You might find that you like it.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.

>>> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel

>>> Undo the munge to reply by email

>>>

>>

>> A nicely written piece.. way to go..

>>

>

> Three big differences between Windows and Ubuntu: stability,

Vista is the most stable OS available today.

price and

> being prone or not prone to viruses and malware.

Well, Vista is not for broke losers like you and Vista is not prone to

malware and viruses.

In all three

> categories, Ubuntu beats Windows hands down.

Only in the "price" category. But you get what you pay for.

99% of home users would be

> better off running Ubuntu and that's a fact, Jack.

Wrong and there is no jack here, pal.

Stick with urbuttoo and your sheep. The rest of the world runs on Windows!

Frank

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> "DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote in

>>> message news:6692D94E-AA28-411D-A8A1-AEFCBAFA1C8A@microsoft.com...

>>>

>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:OvW18VUgIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Since I have the spud KF'd, I'll hit on some of his issues since you

>>>> quoted him. I like Mandrake/Mandriva and have used the apps he

>>>> quotes. Response in line, with extraneous BS snipped. Again, this

>>>> post is by no means to you Mike.

>>>>

>>>>>>> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my head

>>>>>> ...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer available

>>>>>> on any

>>>>>> system, bar none.

>>>>

>>>> Sorry. Winamp, QCD, and even SAM broadcaster blow this one away.

>>>>

>>>>>> K3B - far better than Nero.

>>>>

>>>> Sorry. Not even close to the functionality and power of Nero.

>>>>

>>>>>> Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

>>>>

>>>> Sorry, it's good, but not THAT good. There are still problems.

>>>>

>>>>>> mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

>>>>

>>>> There are versions of mysql for Windows. This is about what kick ass

>>>> programs are available for Linux. Try not to overlap.

>>>>

>>>>>> apache - THE webserver of the Internet

>>>>

>>>> Which dropped market share from 71% to 52.6% against IIS. It is no

>>>> longer THE webserver, and it is dropping steadily.

>>>>

>>>>>> gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

>>>>

>>>> While I like Gimp, FREE is the key word. You get what you pay for.

>>>> Still doesn't touch Photoshop or PSP.

>>>>

>>>>>> Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

>>>>

>>>> Way wrong. Trillian has this beat hands down.

>>>>

>>>>>> Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

>>>>

>>>> Not even close to mIRC, Chatzilla, or XChat for Windows.

>>>>

>>>>>> Knode - my preferred newsreader

>>>>

>>>> You ARE kidding right? Firefox, Opera, Netscape, and even IE blow

>>>> this kludgy piece of crap away.

>>>>

>>>>>> Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great features.

>>>>

>>>> Love Evolution, but still doesn't come close to Outlook.

>>>>

>>>>>> Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

>>>>

>>>> This is not a program, it is a desktop environment (shell) like

>>>> Explorer. This is the one I used for my desktop, but still not an

>>>> application which is what this is all about

>>>>

>>>>>> Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop

>>>>>> available which

>>>>>> leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

>>>>

>>>> Woohoo it's a cube. Again, this is NOT a program, it is an OpenGL

>>>> compositing and windows manger. Just sits on top of Gnome, KDE, etc.

>>>> In fact you are wasting resources because this has to ride on top of

>>>> the shell, instead of being integrated.

>>>>

>>>>>> Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in

>>>>>> incredible ways

>>>>

>>>> Has to be one one of the worst file managers in existence. At best,

>>>> an explorer clone.

>>>>

>>>>>> VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

>>>>

>>>> You're overlapping again. There is a Windows version of this. Stick

>>>> with Linux only software.

>>>>

>>>>>> The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

>>>>

>>>> And that is because for the most part, they are not equivalent to a

>>>> comparable Windows program. Again, you get what you pay for.

>>>>

>>>> You know, you shouldn't embarrass yourself like this, because there

>>>> are those of us that know both systems, and can prove you wrong.

>>>> Unlike you zealots however, I could care less what operating system

>>>> you use. If Linux does it for you, great. As long as you can do the

>>>> stuff you need to do. Should I go into c.o.l.a. and telling them

>>>> that is crap, and they need to switch to Vista? What you smacktards

>>>> lack though is respect for people's decision to use what they want.

>>>> You and your ilk are a smacktards not because you use Linux or

>>>> whatever, but because you are just like any other loony group of

>>>> zealots. You get treated like a bunch of retards. You guys could be

>>>> so beneficial to the support group of your chosen OS, so why you all

>>>> choose to continue to act like imbeciles is very puzzling. Just once

>>>> you might want to try being unbiased. You might find that you like it.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.

>>>> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel

>>>> Undo the munge to reply by email

>>>>

>>>

>>> A nicely written piece.. way to go..

>>>

>>

>> Three big differences between Windows and Ubuntu: stability,

>

> Vista is the most stable OS available today.

Oh really? Well, why don't you just disconnect your firewall and

uninstall your antivirus along with Defenseless and the other anti

malware programs you have installed? Huh?

>

> price and

>> being prone or not prone to viruses and malware.

>

> Well, Vista is not for broke losers like you and Vista is not prone to

> malware and viruses.

See above, moron.

>

> In all three

>> categories, Ubuntu beats Windows hands down.

>

> Only in the "price" category. But you get what you pay for.

Only in your twisted mine is Vista more secure than Linux and, with

Vista, you *don't* get what you paid for.

>

> 99% of home users would be

>> better off running Ubuntu and that's a fact, Jack.

>

> Wrong and there is no jack here, pal.

Another example of how Frank is culturally impaired and I'm 100% right.

> Stick with urbuttoo and your sheep. The rest of the world runs on Windows!

> Frank

Never heard of "urbuttoo" and you're the one who's fascinated with sex

and sheep.

Alias

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>> "DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote in

>>>> message news:6692D94E-AA28-411D-A8A1-AEFCBAFA1C8A@microsoft.com...

>>>>

>>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:OvW18VUgIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> Since I have the spud KF'd, I'll hit on some of his issues since

>>>>> you quoted him. I like Mandrake/Mandriva and have used the apps he

>>>>> quotes. Response in line, with extraneous BS snipped. Again, this

>>>>> post is by no means to you Mike.

>>>>>

>>>>>>>> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my

>>>>>>> head ...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer

>>>>>>> available on any

>>>>>>> system, bar none.

>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry. Winamp, QCD, and even SAM broadcaster blow this one away.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> K3B - far better than Nero.

>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry. Not even close to the functionality and power of Nero.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry, it's good, but not THAT good. There are still problems.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

>>>>>

>>>>> There are versions of mysql for Windows. This is about what kick

>>>>> ass programs are available for Linux. Try not to overlap.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> apache - THE webserver of the Internet

>>>>>

>>>>> Which dropped market share from 71% to 52.6% against IIS. It is no

>>>>> longer THE webserver, and it is dropping steadily.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

>>>>>

>>>>> While I like Gimp, FREE is the key word. You get what you pay for.

>>>>> Still doesn't touch Photoshop or PSP.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

>>>>>

>>>>> Way wrong. Trillian has this beat hands down.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

>>>>>

>>>>> Not even close to mIRC, Chatzilla, or XChat for Windows.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Knode - my preferred newsreader

>>>>>

>>>>> You ARE kidding right? Firefox, Opera, Netscape, and even IE blow

>>>>> this kludgy piece of crap away.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great

>>>>>>> features.

>>>>>

>>>>> Love Evolution, but still doesn't come close to Outlook.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

>>>>>

>>>>> This is not a program, it is a desktop environment (shell) like

>>>>> Explorer. This is the one I used for my desktop, but still not an

>>>>> application which is what this is all about

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop

>>>>>>> available which

>>>>>>> leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

>>>>>

>>>>> Woohoo it's a cube. Again, this is NOT a program, it is an OpenGL

>>>>> compositing and windows manger. Just sits on top of Gnome, KDE,

>>>>> etc. In fact you are wasting resources because this has to ride on

>>>>> top of the shell, instead of being integrated.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in

>>>>>>> incredible ways

>>>>>

>>>>> Has to be one one of the worst file managers in existence. At best,

>>>>> an explorer clone.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

>>>>>

>>>>> You're overlapping again. There is a Windows version of this. Stick

>>>>> with Linux only software.

>>>>>

>>>>>>> The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

>>>>>

>>>>> And that is because for the most part, they are not equivalent to a

>>>>> comparable Windows program. Again, you get what you pay for.

>>>>>

>>>>> You know, you shouldn't embarrass yourself like this, because there

>>>>> are those of us that know both systems, and can prove you wrong.

>>>>> Unlike you zealots however, I could care less what operating system

>>>>> you use. If Linux does it for you, great. As long as you can do the

>>>>> stuff you need to do. Should I go into c.o.l.a. and telling them

>>>>> that is crap, and they need to switch to Vista? What you smacktards

>>>>> lack though is respect for people's decision to use what they want.

>>>>> You and your ilk are a smacktards not because you use Linux or

>>>>> whatever, but because you are just like any other loony group of

>>>>> zealots. You get treated like a bunch of retards. You guys could be

>>>>> so beneficial to the support group of your chosen OS, so why you

>>>>> all choose to continue to act like imbeciles is very puzzling. Just

>>>>> once you might want to try being unbiased. You might find that you

>>>>> like it.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.

>>>>> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel

>>>>> Undo the munge to reply by email

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> A nicely written piece.. way to go..

>>>>

>>>

>>> Three big differences between Windows and Ubuntu: stability,

>>

>> Vista is the most stable OS available today.

>

> Oh really? Well, why don't you just disconnect your firewall and

> uninstall your antivirus along with Defenseless and the other anti

> malware programs you have installed? Huh?

>

>>

>> price and

>>

>>> being prone or not prone to viruses and malware.

>>

>> Well, Vista is not for broke losers like you and Vista is not prone to

>> malware and viruses.

>

> See above, moron.

>

>>

>> In all three

>>

>>> categories, Ubuntu beats Windows hands down.

>>

>> Only in the "price" category. But you get what you pay for.

>

> Only in your twisted mine is Vista more secure than Linux and, with

> Vista, you *don't* get what you paid for.

Seeing as how you don't have, don't use and can't afford Vista, what you

say about it is worthless. Just like you.

>

>>

>> 99% of home users would be

>>

>>> better off running Ubuntu and that's a fact, Jack.

>>

>> Wrong and there is no jack here, pal.

>

> Another example of how Frank is culturally impaired and I'm 100% right.

Your arrogance is second only to your sheer stupidity and ignorance.

>

>> Stick with urbuttoo and your sheep. The rest of the world runs on

>> Windows!

>> Frank

>

> Never heard of "urbuttoo" and you're the one who's fascinated with sex

> and sheep.

Really? That POS toy os you use isn't called urbuttoo...sorry...LOL!

I'm not the one sharing the sheep with the butcher.

What does your butt-buddy nostop think about that? Isn't he jealous (of

the sheep?)...LOL!

You're a real fukkin loser!

Frank

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23x5vHbggIHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> "DarkSentinel" <darkmungesentinel@munge.charter.munge.net> wrote in

>> message news:6692D94E-AA28-411D-A8A1-AEFCBAFA1C8A@microsoft.com...

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OvW18VUgIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:fqufaq027f0@news1.newsguy.com...

>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>> Since I have the spud KF'd, I'll hit on some of his issues since you

>>> quoted him. I like Mandrake/Mandriva and have used the apps he quotes.

>>> Response in line, with extraneous BS snipped. Again, this post is by no

>>> means to you Mike.

>>>

>>>>>> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>>>>>>

>>>>> Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my head ...

>>>>>

>>>>> Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer available on

>>>>> any

>>>>> system, bar none.

>>>

>>> Sorry. Winamp, QCD, and even SAM broadcaster blow this one away.

>>>

>>>>> K3B - far better than Nero.

>>>

>>> Sorry. Not even close to the functionality and power of Nero.

>>>

>>>>> Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

>>>

>>> Sorry, it's good, but not THAT good. There are still problems.

>>>

>>>>> mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

>>>

>>> There are versions of mysql for Windows. This is about what kick ass

>>> programs are available for Linux. Try not to overlap.

>>>

>>>>> apache - THE webserver of the Internet

>>>

>>> Which dropped market share from 71% to 52.6% against IIS. It is no

>>> longer THE webserver, and it is dropping steadily.

>>>

>>>>> gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

>>>

>>> While I like Gimp, FREE is the key word. You get what you pay for. Still

>>> doesn't touch Photoshop or PSP.

>>>

>>>>> Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

>>>

>>> Way wrong. Trillian has this beat hands down.

>>>

>>>>> Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

>>>

>>> Not even close to mIRC, Chatzilla, or XChat for Windows.

>>>

>>>>> Knode - my preferred newsreader

>>>

>>> You ARE kidding right? Firefox, Opera, Netscape, and even IE blow this

>>> kludgy piece of crap away.

>>>

>>>>> Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great features.

>>>

>>> Love Evolution, but still doesn't come close to Outlook.

>>>

>>>>> Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

>>>

>>> This is not a program, it is a desktop environment (shell) like

>>> Explorer. This is the one I used for my desktop, but still not an

>>> application which is what this is all about

>>>

>>>>> Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop available

>>>>> which

>>>>> leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

>>>

>>> Woohoo it's a cube. Again, this is NOT a program, it is an OpenGL

>>> compositing and windows manger. Just sits on top of Gnome, KDE, etc. In

>>> fact you are wasting resources because this has to ride on top of the

>>> shell, instead of being integrated.

>>>

>>>>> Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in incredible

>>>>> ways

>>>

>>> Has to be one one of the worst file managers in existence. At best, an

>>> explorer clone.

>>>

>>>>> VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

>>>

>>> You're overlapping again. There is a Windows version of this. Stick with

>>> Linux only software.

>>>

>>>>> The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

>>>

>>> And that is because for the most part, they are not equivalent to a

>>> comparable Windows program. Again, you get what you pay for.

>>>

>>> You know, you shouldn't embarrass yourself like this, because there are

>>> those of us that know both systems, and can prove you wrong. Unlike you

>>> zealots however, I could care less what operating system you use. If

>>> Linux does it for you, great. As long as you can do the stuff you need

>>> to do. Should I go into c.o.l.a. and telling them that is crap, and they

>>> need to switch to Vista? What you smacktards lack though is respect for

>>> people's decision to use what they want. You and your ilk are a

>>> smacktards not because you use Linux or whatever, but because you are

>>> just like any other loony group of zealots. You get treated like a bunch

>>> of retards. You guys could be so beneficial to the support group of your

>>> chosen OS, so why you all choose to continue to act like imbeciles is

>>> very puzzling. Just once you might want to try being unbiased. You might

>>> find that you like it.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Sanity calms, but madness is more interesting.

>>> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel

>>> Undo the munge to reply by email

>>>

>>

>> A nicely written piece.. way to go..

>>

>

> Three big differences between Windows and Ubuntu: stability, price and

> being prone or not prone to viruses and malware. In all three categories,

> Ubuntu beats Windows hands down. 99% of home users would be better off

> running Ubuntu and that's a fact, Jack.

>

> Alias

Not unless they can run programs of their choice, where they are not having

to accept cheap and sometimes ugly compromises..

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message

news:fr18a1$493$1@reader2.panix.com...

> In article <OxmjJMegIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,

> Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>

>>It runs 24/7/52 and has NEVER crashed.

>

> What about the other 313?

>

Steve's numbers include all earth days within a year.. add a further 313?

Hmmmmmmmm, that would make you a Martian, maybe.. -)

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Quote

Mark as Solution

March 9, 200817 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23x5vHbggIHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...