I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone explain

the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that explains what

was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

 

Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98, 2000 & XP,

you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they think or

something? You don't have to have a business to have a need for the things

you don't get unless you have vista business.

 

Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually, Windows 95

was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's perspective. Yea, it

may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no body so who is going to hack

me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk without the security but you know

what, I still do because I'm not a business that has all the proxy blocks to

keep my family from downloading garbage they think is necessary. Oh yea,

they must have thought again and said people at home need this but did they

think outside the box and survey the general no body PC user? "This" doesn't

work, or is to much of a pain to figure out for laymen like myself. I have a

thought, push a SP3 for XP Pro and call it good for a few years.

 

Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground on this

so I know how to play their chess game for future PC purchases.

"DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23yLB%23CSgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone explain

>the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that explains what

>was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

>

> Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98, 2000 &

> XP, you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they think or

> something? You don't have to have a business to have a need for the things

> you don't get unless you have vista business.

>

> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually, Windows

> 95 was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's perspective. Yea,

> it may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no body so who is going to

> hack me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk without the security but you

> know what, I still do because I'm not a business that has all the proxy

> blocks to keep my family from downloading garbage they think is necessary.

> Oh yea, they must have thought again and said people at home need this but

> did they think outside the box and survey the general no body PC user?

> "This" doesn't work, or is to much of a pain to figure out for laymen like

> myself. I have a thought, push a SP3 for XP Pro and call it good for a few

> years.

>

> Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground on

> this so I know how to play their chess game for future PC purchases.

 

 

The only obvious item missing from Home editions of Vista which appeared in

basic form in Win 98, 2000 and XP is FAX..

 

http://www.snappysoftware.com/

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Thanks!

 

Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

(applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the term

obvious.

 

Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

 

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:OaVkdPSgIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23yLB%23CSgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone

>>explain the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that

>>explains what was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

>>

>> Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98, 2000 &

>> XP, you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they think or

>> something? You don't have to have a business to have a need for the

>> things you don't get unless you have vista business.

>>

>> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually, Windows

>> 95 was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's perspective. Yea,

>> it may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no body so who is going to

>> hack me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk without the security but you

>> know what, I still do because I'm not a business that has all the proxy

>> blocks to keep my family from downloading garbage they think is

>> necessary. Oh yea, they must have thought again and said people at home

>> need this but did they think outside the box and survey the general no

>> body PC user? "This" doesn't work, or is to much of a pain to figure out

>> for laymen like myself. I have a thought, push a SP3 for XP Pro and call

>> it good for a few years.

>>

>> Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground on

>> this so I know how to play their chess game for future PC purchases.

>

>

> The only obvious item missing from Home editions of Vista which appeared

> in basic form in Win 98, 2000 and XP is FAX..

>

> http://www.snappysoftware.com/

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> How to construct a good post..

> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

> Mike's Window - My Blog..

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

Maybe if you let us know what is missing, or you can't find, we could help.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

 

 

 

"DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23GIhuZSgIHA.5624@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Thanks!

>

> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the term

> obvious.

>

> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>

>

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:OaVkdPSgIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23yLB%23CSgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone

>>>explain the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that

>>>explains what was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

>>>

>>> Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98, 2000 &

>>> XP, you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they think or

>>> something? You don't have to have a business to have a need for the

>>> things you don't get unless you have vista business.

>>>

>>> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually,

>>> Windows 95 was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's

>>> perspective. Yea, it may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no body

>>> so who is going to hack me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk without

>>> the security but you know what, I still do because I'm not a business

>>> that has all the proxy blocks to keep my family from downloading garbage

>>> they think is necessary. Oh yea, they must have thought again and said

>>> people at home need this but did they think outside the box and survey

>>> the general no body PC user? "This" doesn't work, or is to much of a

>>> pain to figure out for laymen like myself. I have a thought, push a SP3

>>> for XP Pro and call it good for a few years.

>>>

>>> Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground on

>>> this so I know how to play their chess game for future PC purchases.

>>

>>

>> The only obvious item missing from Home editions of Vista which appeared

>> in basic form in Win 98, 2000 and XP is FAX..

>>

>> http://www.snappysoftware.com/

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> How to construct a good post..

>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95.

 

Frankly I think this says more about you than Vista. Are you getting on a

bit, and unable to cope with change?

 

SteveT

HAHAHA!!!

 

I like you. I am only 29 and live in a world where the only constant is

change and I'm a big pusher of change in my little world. I think you are

right though. I may have gotten use to MS's way of subtly changing OS's and

now we have vista which, in my opinion, is a drastic change. Hell, it may be

because I used XP pro for seven years and the next computer I bought only

had Vista Home Basic.

 

I was reading an article earlier by someone that said it best.

"Because people in the Market do not install or buy operating systems.

> They buy "a computer" and use whatever comes on it. Most people are

> completely oblivious as to what the it is they are actually using. As long

> as they can click a little pretty button and their pictures come up or

> their music plays they are happy. They don't care about how or why this

> happens nor would most ever be able to even comprehend."

Also,

Someone else said, and I paraphrase because I deleted the message already,

This is Microsoft's way of making people buy the upgrades.

 

I really believe the root cause is I prematurely bought a computer with

preloaded software (vista home basic) instead of buying a Dell platform and

loading XP Pro or MS 2000 Server on it. Truth is, I'm a layman intermediate.

I was an additional duty Client Support Administrator (CSA) for my job only

a year ago before being transferred to another country where my new office

has a CSA where they use different front ends to manage accounts. Now I can

only learn as I go and provide basic advise to help at work. At home is a

different story with Vista.

 

Thanks SteveT for helping me put this in perspective. However, you are still

outside looking in, tell me what you think now unless I hit the nail on the

head.

 

 

 

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:eBkCrxSgIHA.2540@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95.

>

> Frankly I think this says more about you than Vista. Are you getting on a

> bit, and unable to cope with change?

>

> SteveT

Actually I was having a hard time thinking of any on my toes but just

remembered one. Where is the calendar in Windows Mail like in Outlook. Also,

I have another post for work grouping my PCs that Malke has helped on. I am

still finding it hard to use his link's instructions and making progress

with them.

 

As far as other issues, would you prefer I reply as I remember or find them?

 

 

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

news:0BB79870-3BCE-4124-923C-F729D1C7E075@microsoft.com...

> Maybe if you let us know what is missing, or you can't find, we could

> help.

>

> --

> Kerry Brown

> Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>

>

>

> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23GIhuZSgIHA.5624@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the term

>> obvious.

>>

>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>

>>

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:OaVkdPSgIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23yLB%23CSgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone

>>>>explain the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that

>>>>explains what was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

>>>>

>>>> Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98, 2000

>>>> & XP, you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they think

>>>> or something? You don't have to have a business to have a need for the

>>>> things you don't get unless you have vista business.

>>>>

>>>> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually,

>>>> Windows 95 was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's

>>>> perspective. Yea, it may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no

>>>> body so who is going to hack me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk

>>>> without the security but you know what, I still do because I'm not a

>>>> business that has all the proxy blocks to keep my family from

>>>> downloading garbage they think is necessary. Oh yea, they must have

>>>> thought again and said people at home need this but did they think

>>>> outside the box and survey the general no body PC user? "This" doesn't

>>>> work, or is to much of a pain to figure out for laymen like myself. I

>>>> have a thought, push a SP3 for XP Pro and call it good for a few years.

>>>>

>>>> Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground on

>>>> this so I know how to play their chess game for future PC purchases.

>>>

>>>

>>> The only obvious item missing from Home editions of Vista which appeared

>>> in basic form in Win 98, 2000 and XP is FAX..

>>>

>>> http://www.snappysoftware.com/

>>>

>>> --

>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>> How to construct a good post..

>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>

"DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23GIhuZSgIHA.5624@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Thanks!

>

> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the term

> obvious.

>

> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>

>

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:OaVkdPSgIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23yLB%23CSgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone

>>>explain the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that

>>>explains what was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

>>>

>>> Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98, 2000 &

>>> XP, you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they think or

>>> something? You don't have to have a business to have a need for the

>>> things you don't get unless you have vista business.

>>>

>>> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually,

>>> Windows 95 was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's

>>> perspective. Yea, it may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no body

>>> so who is going to hack me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk without

>>> the security but you know what, I still do because I'm not a business

>>> that has all the proxy blocks to keep my family from downloading garbage

>>> they think is necessary. Oh yea, they must have thought again and said

>>> people at home need this but did they think outside the box and survey

>>> the general no body PC user? "This" doesn't work, or is to much of a

>>> pain to figure out for laymen like myself. I have a thought, push a SP3

>>> for XP Pro and call it good for a few years.

>>>

>>> Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground on

>>> this so I know how to play their chess game for future PC purchases.

>>

>>

>> The only obvious item missing from Home editions of Vista which appeared

>> in basic form in Win 98, 2000 and XP is FAX..

>>

>> http://www.snappysoftware.com/

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> How to construct a good post..

>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

 

 

Vista Home Premium has almost all of the features of anything before it PLUS

Media Center. As a home version, it still does NOT have the ability to join

a Domain, but then neither did XP Home. It also lacks security features

which most home users would not know how to or ever likely use..

 

The Start menu is more or less the same as XP other than the fact that some

folders are not prefixed by 'My' any more.

 

The majority of applets which have seen service in earlier Windows are still

to be found in 'All Programs - Accessories'..

 

Right clicking on 'Computer' and selecting 'manage' still takes you to

Computer management, Disk management etc a la Win 2000/XP

 

CTRL-SHIFT-ESC takes you to Windows Task Manager..

 

Start > Control Panel takes you to the easiest Windows Control Panel since

CP ever appeared..

 

No version/edition of Windows has ever or likely will ever include Microsoft

Office, MS Money, MS Works, MS MapPoint, MS Streets and Trips, MS Visual

Studio, WordPerfect, Lotus Organizer etc. If ever you gotten any of these

installed on a computer, you either did it yourself or it was part of an OEM

bundle..

 

WinHlp32.exe is no longer shipped with Vista, and help files for some older

programs/applications will not display, but there is a fix here..

 

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=6EBCFAD9-D3F5-4365-8070-334CD175D4BB&displaylang=en

 

If you want help, the best way to get it is to explain the problem(s)

clearly. You may even save yourself the cost of a book, which you probably

will only ever look at a few times as you will see that the UI changes over

XP and Win 2000 are really not that much different, even though the

mechanics below the surface are.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

DM wrote:

> Thanks!

>

> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the term

> obvious.

>

> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>

Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run Vista. :-)

 

Cheers.

 

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

 

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

 

AlexB's abacus: http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

The closest to "computing" that man should go.

 

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

HAHAH!!!

That is a powerful statement!!!

 

What OS do you prefer?

 

 

 

 

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

> DM wrote:

>

>> Thanks!

>>

>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the term

>> obvious.

>>

>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>

> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run Vista.

> :-)

>

> Cheers.

>

> --

> What does Bill Gates use?

> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>

> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>

> AlexB's abacus: http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

> The closest to "computing" that man should go.

>

> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>

Outlook Express which came with XP doesn't include a calendar. Outlook which

is part of Office does. If you install a version of Office that includes

Outlook in Vista you will get the Outlook calendar. There is a simple

calendar application in Vista.

 

All Programs => Windows Calendar

 

It is not as comprehensive as the Outlook calendar.

 

You should start a new thread for each question. You will get better answers

if the subject includes the problem. Vague subjects with long threads tend

to get ignored after a while. They get taken over by trolls.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

 

 

 

"DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:OH1ywCTgIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Actually I was having a hard time thinking of any on my toes but just

> remembered one. Where is the calendar in Windows Mail like in Outlook.

> Also, I have another post for work grouping my PCs that Malke has helped

> on. I am still finding it hard to use his link's instructions and making

> progress with them.

>

> As far as other issues, would you prefer I reply as I remember or find

> them?

>

>

> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

> news:0BB79870-3BCE-4124-923C-F729D1C7E075@microsoft.com...

>> Maybe if you let us know what is missing, or you can't find, we could

>> help.

>>

>> --

>> Kerry Brown

>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>>

>>

>>

>> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23GIhuZSgIHA.5624@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the

>>> term obvious.

>>>

>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:OaVkdPSgIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23yLB%23CSgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone

>>>>>explain the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that

>>>>>explains what was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

>>>>>

>>>>> Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98, 2000

>>>>> & XP, you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they think

>>>>> or something? You don't have to have a business to have a need for the

>>>>> things you don't get unless you have vista business.

>>>>>

>>>>> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually,

>>>>> Windows 95 was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's

>>>>> perspective. Yea, it may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no

>>>>> body so who is going to hack me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk

>>>>> without the security but you know what, I still do because I'm not a

>>>>> business that has all the proxy blocks to keep my family from

>>>>> downloading garbage they think is necessary. Oh yea, they must have

>>>>> thought again and said people at home need this but did they think

>>>>> outside the box and survey the general no body PC user? "This" doesn't

>>>>> work, or is to much of a pain to figure out for laymen like myself. I

>>>>> have a thought, push a SP3 for XP Pro and call it good for a few

>>>>> years.

>>>>>

>>>>> Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground on

>>>>> this so I know how to play their chess game for future PC purchases.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The only obvious item missing from Home editions of Vista which

>>>> appeared in basic form in Win 98, 2000 and XP is FAX..

>>>>

>>>> http://www.snappysoftware.com/

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>> How to construct a good post..

>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

Michael

 

DM wrote:

> HAHAH!!!

> That is a powerful statement!!!

>

> What OS do you prefer?

 

Same one I do, Ubuntu. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com. It's FREE and

comes with over 25,000 FREE programs. Not only that but, compared to

Windows, it's bulletproof against viruses and malware. No WPA, No WGA,

No DRM issues and *very* user friendly.

 

Alias

>

>

>

>

> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

>> DM wrote:

>>

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the

>>> term

>>> obvious.

>>>

>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>

>> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run

>> Vista. :-)

>>

>> Cheers.

>>

>> --

>> What does Bill Gates use?

>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>

>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>

>> AlexB's abacus:

>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

>> The closest to "computing" that man should go.

>>

>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>

>

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

news:792AAFE7-04DA-42CE-97ED-90D635AF13A6@microsoft.com...

> Outlook Express which came with XP doesn't include a calendar. Outlook

> which is part of Office does. If you install a version of Office that

> includes Outlook in Vista you will get the Outlook calendar. There is a

> simple calendar application in Vista.

>

> All Programs => Windows Calendar

>

> It is not as comprehensive as the Outlook calendar.

>

> You should start a new thread for each question. You will get better

> answers if the subject includes the problem. Vague subjects with long

> threads tend to get ignored after a while. They get taken over by trolls.

>

> --

> Kerry Brown

> Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>

>

>

> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:OH1ywCTgIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Actually I was having a hard time thinking of any on my toes but just

>> remembered one. Where is the calendar in Windows Mail like in Outlook.

>> Also, I have another post for work grouping my PCs that Malke has helped

>> on. I am still finding it hard to use his link's instructions and making

>> progress with them.

>>

>> As far as other issues, would you prefer I reply as I remember or find

>> them?

>>

>>

>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

>> news:0BB79870-3BCE-4124-923C-F729D1C7E075@microsoft.com...

>>> Maybe if you let us know what is missing, or you can't find, we could

>>> help.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Kerry Brown

>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23GIhuZSgIHA.5624@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Thanks!

>>>>

>>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>>>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the

>>>> term obvious.

>>>>

>>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:OaVkdPSgIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>> "DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23yLB%23CSgIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>I thought technology is suppose to advance, not regress. Can anyone

>>>>>>explain the philosophy behind Vista or at least provide articles that

>>>>>>explains what was sold to the boss to launch this OS?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Is it the big business theory? Most of the niceties we had in 98,

>>>>>> 2000 & XP, you can not find unless you have business vista. Did they

>>>>>> think or something? You don't have to have a business to have a need

>>>>>> for the things you don't get unless you have vista business.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Windows Vista is a step back in time beyond Windows 95. Actually,

>>>>>> Windows 95 was far more superior than Vista is, from a layman's

>>>>>> perspective. Yea, it may be more secure but you know what, I'm a no

>>>>>> body so who is going to hack me? Yea, I may get the spy ware or junk

>>>>>> without the security but you know what, I still do because I'm not a

>>>>>> business that has all the proxy blocks to keep my family from

>>>>>> downloading garbage they think is necessary. Oh yea, they must have

>>>>>> thought again and said people at home need this but did they think

>>>>>> outside the box and survey the general no body PC user? "This"

>>>>>> doesn't work, or is to much of a pain to figure out for laymen like

>>>>>> myself. I have a thought, push a SP3 for XP Pro and call it good for

>>>>>> a few years.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ok, thanks for letting me vent, I would appreciate some back ground

>>>>>> on this so I know how to play their chess game for future PC

>>>>>> purchases.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The only obvious item missing from Home editions of Vista which

>>>>> appeared in basic form in Win 98, 2000 and XP is FAX..

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.snappysoftware.com/

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>>> How to construct a good post..

>>>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>>>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>>>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

 

 

Too late for this post, Kerry. The trolls have already started.. :-)

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

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Mike's Window - My Blog..

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"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

news:eOHYxWTgIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>

>

> Michael

>

> DM wrote:

>> HAHAH!!!

>> That is a powerful statement!!!

>>

>> What OS do you prefer?

>

> Same one I do, Ubuntu. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com. It's FREE and comes

> with over 25,000 FREE programs. Not only that but, compared to Windows,

> it's bulletproof against viruses and malware. No WPA, No WGA, No DRM

> issues and *very* user friendly.

>

> Alias

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

>>> DM wrote:

>>>

>>>> Thanks!

>>>>

>>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>>>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the

>>>> term

>>>> obvious.

>>>>

>>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>>

>>> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run Vista.

>>> :-)

>>>

>>> Cheers.

>>>

>>> --

>>> What does Bill Gates use?

>>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>

>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>

>>> AlexB's abacus:

>>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

>>> The closest to "computing" that man should go.

>>>

>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>>

>>

 

 

And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

DM wrote:

> HAHAH!!!

> That is a powerful statement!!!

>

> What OS do you prefer?

>

Ubuntu!

 

http://www.ubuntu.com

 

Free. Access to 25000+ free software packages. Rock stable. Secure.

Powerful. Configurable. Leading edge. Free of DRM. Free of "activation".

Fast. Can install on as many computers as you want. The 21st Century way of

using a computer.

 

Cheers.

>

>

>

> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

>> DM wrote:

>>

>>> Thanks!

>>>

>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the

>>> term obvious.

>>>

>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>

>> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run Vista.

>> :-)

>>

>> Cheers.

>>

>> --

>> What does Bill Gates use?

>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>

>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>

>> AlexB's abacus:

>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg The closest to

>> "computing" that man should go.

>>

>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>

 

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

 

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

 

AlexB's abacus: http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

The closest to "computing" that man should go.

 

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>

> Too late for this post, Kerry. The trolls have already started.. :-)

>

 

 

It seems any thread that's longer than three or four posts is mostly trolls

sniping at one another. You think they'd get tired of insulting one another

after a while.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

DM wrote:

> HAHAH!!!

> That is a powerful statement!!!

>

> What OS do you prefer?

>

>

nostop and alias are both linux trolls. They hate MS and Vista and are

here not to help but to demean Vista users (as nostop just to you) and

promote linux.

Best to pay no attention to them.

Frank

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:eOHYxWTgIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>

>>

>> Michael

>>

>> DM wrote:

>>> HAHAH!!!

>>> That is a powerful statement!!!

>>>

>>> What OS do you prefer?

>>

>> Same one I do, Ubuntu. Check it out at http://www.ubuntu.com. It's FREE and

>> comes with over 25,000 FREE programs. Not only that but, compared to

>> Windows, it's bulletproof against viruses and malware. No WPA, No WGA, No

>> DRM issues and *very* user friendly.

>>

>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

>>>> DM wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Thanks!

>>>>>

>>>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things

>>>>> to configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used

>>>>> the term

>>>>> obvious.

>>>>>

>>>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>>>

>>>> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run

>>>> Vista.

>>>> :-)

>>>>

>>>> Cheers.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> What does Bill Gates use?

>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>>

>>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>>

>>>> AlexB's abacus:

>>>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

>>>> The closest to "computing" that man should go.

>>>>

>>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>>>

>>>

>

>

> And of 25000 free programs, the best you could find was AbiWord..

>

Nope, wrong again ... no banana. Just a few off the top of my head ...

 

Amarok - the very best music player/collection organizer available on any

system, bar none.

K3B - far better than Nero.

Samba - does Windoze networking better than Windoze

mysql - leader in databases for the desktop

apache - THE webserver of the Internet

gimp - most advanced FREE image editor around

Pidgin - best and most universal IM client out there

Konversation - great IRC client with many great features

Knode - my preferred newsreader

Evolution - a very nice mail client, along with other great features.

Gnome - configurable beautiful desktop

Compiz - the very best, least resource intensive 3d desktop available which

leaves Aero and OSX in its dust.

Nautilus - great filemanager with scripts to extend it in incredible ways

VLC - play any DVD and don't worry about encryption and regions

 

The list goes on and on, and these apps don't cost a penny.

 

Cheers.

 

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

 

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

 

AlexB's abacus: http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

The closest to "computing" that man should go.

 

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Free entertainment in this struggling economy! With technology, isn't there

a way to block those replies? Set up the forum for anyone to launch a post

but only genuine helpers can reply. Also set it up so you can block posters

that post nonsense if they have a trend.

 

How do people like me know if it is a genuine helper?

 

 

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

news:0904387E-4333-46C6-B878-A1BAEDE558E6@microsoft.com...

> >

>> Too late for this post, Kerry. The trolls have already started.. :-)

>>

>

>

> It seems any thread that's longer than three or four posts is mostly

> trolls sniping at one another. You think they'd get tired of insulting one

> another after a while.

>

> --

> Kerry Brown

> Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>

>

>

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in

news:#ez5FZTgIHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Too late for this post, Kerry. The trolls have already started.. :-)

 

Trolls ? Where ? Oh, you mean Alias & NoStop ?

 

I see one post from each of them answering a question posted by DM. And

answered straight and to the point. Nothing else.

 

What happens next is when it becomes a problem. One of a couple other

WinTrolls will come by and reply with....

 

'Get out of here you f*n, POS, linux loser liar (blah blah blah)'

 

'You this, you that'

 

THAT is when the trolling begins. Whatever comes after that is undoubtly

and completely moronic from boths sides.

 

I can't believe you people don't see it as I do.

"DM" <themusgravefamily@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eNSrIsTgIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Free entertainment in this struggling economy! With technology, isn't

> there a way to block those replies? Set up the forum for anyone to launch

> a post but only genuine helpers can reply. Also set it up so you can block

> posters that post nonsense if they have a trend.

>

> How do people like me know if it is a genuine helper?

>

 

 

Unfortunately on newsgroups it's a bit of a free for all. It can be

entertaining at times but it is frustrating for someone trying to get an

answer.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

news:Xns9A5B76F648019thisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in

> news:#ez5FZTgIHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> Too late for this post, Kerry. The trolls have already started.. :-)

>

> Trolls ? Where ? Oh, you mean Alias & NoStop ?

>

> I see one post from each of them answering a question posted by DM. And

> answered straight and to the point. Nothing else.

>

> What happens next is when it becomes a problem. One of a couple other

> WinTrolls will come by and reply with....

>

> 'Get out of here you f*n, POS, linux loser liar (blah blah blah)'

>

> 'You this, you that'

>

> THAT is when the trolling begins. Whatever comes after that is undoubtly

> and completely moronic from boths sides.

>

> I can't believe you people don't see it as I do.

>

 

 

In my mind answering every question with "Switch to Linux" isn't very

helpful. I consider that trolling.

 

--

Kerry Brown

Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message

news:0904387E-4333-46C6-B878-A1BAEDE558E6@microsoft.com...

> >

>> Too late for this post, Kerry. The trolls have already started.. :-)

>>

>

>

> It seems any thread that's longer than three or four posts is mostly

> trolls sniping at one another. You think they'd get tired of insulting one

> another after a while.

>

> --

> Kerry Brown

> Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

>

>

>

 

 

Under the guise that Usenet is free for anybody, and coupled with their

dislike of Microsoft, they have chosen it as their forum to act like idiots,

the prime intention to degrade the service to people wanting help, and

because it is an MS newsgroup to bring as much disruption and if at all

possible to put the likes of you and me in a bad light.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if they were open to proper discussion, but try that

and they just open another post quoting FUD from an old or totally biased

source. Sad really.

 

I get the impression that the Ubuntu supporters don't use Linux in the way

that most Linux aficionados do, otherwise they would be helping develop the

OS and helping newbies in the Linux/Ubuntu community.

 

To some degree, one can see why there is something of a push towards forums,

because bad trolls can be eliminated from the game..

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:fquepd04oc@news4.newsguy.com...

> DM wrote:

>

>> HAHAH!!!

>> That is a powerful statement!!!

>>

>> What OS do you prefer?

>>

> Ubuntu!

>

> http://www.ubuntu.com

>

> Free. Access to 25000+ free software packages. Rock stable. Secure.

> Powerful. Configurable. Leading edge. Free of DRM. Free of "activation".

> Fast. Can install on as many computers as you want. The 21st Century way

> of

> using a computer.

>

> Cheers.

>

>>

>>

>>

>> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

>> news:fquccg12d1@news5.newsguy.com...

>>> DM wrote:

>>>

>>>> Thanks!

>>>>

>>>> Maybe my old eyes are the problem. I am either not finding things

>>>> (applications or the settings panels) or cant get some of the things to

>>>> configure like I had them in 98, 00 and XP. I do notice you used the

>>>> term obvious.

>>>>

>>>> Next stop, Vista for Dummies at the book store.

>>>>

>>> Very appropriate reading material for someone who is going to run Vista.

>>> :-)

>>>

>>> Cheers.

>>>

>>> --

>>> What does Bill Gates use?

>>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>>

>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>>

>>> AlexB's abacus:

>>> http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg The closest

>>> to

>>> "computing" that man should go.

>>>

>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>>

>

> --

> What does Bill Gates use?

> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>

> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>

> AlexB's abacus: http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg

> The closest to "computing" that man should go.

>

> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>

 

 

25000 free programs, most of which are firmly in the realm of technical..

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message

news:Xns9A5B76F648019thisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in

> news:#ez5FZTgIHA.2448@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

>> Too late for this post, Kerry. The trolls have already started.. :-)

>

> Trolls ? Where ? Oh, you mean Alias & NoStop ?

>

> I see one post from each of them answering a question posted by DM. And

> answered straight and to the point. Nothing else.

>

> What happens next is when it becomes a problem. One of a couple other

> WinTrolls will come by and reply with....

>

> 'Get out of here you f*n, POS, linux loser liar (blah blah blah)'

>

> 'You this, you that'

>

> THAT is when the trolling begins. Whatever comes after that is undoubtly

> and completely moronic from boths sides.

>

> I can't believe you people don't see it as I do.

>

 

 

Dan

 

I see what is happening, as do Kerry and others. The blame does not just

fall on the Ubuntu supporters, but they are the catalyst.

 

As I said in a previous thread, it would not be so bad if the Ubuntu crowd

were open for a proper discussion, but they are not..

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx