Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> NoStop wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>

>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Your attention getting subject line and the content of that article

>>>> don't match.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> You told us Francis that you *NEVER* click on links in a ng posting.

>>> Were

>>> you lying? When will you stop lying?

>>> Cheers.

>>>

>> Are you really that stupid? I do not click on any links posted to any

>> ng/s.

>> Never!

>

>

> Being as you're running Windows, that's a good idea. Now, if you were

> running a secure operating system like http://www.ubuntu.com, you wouldn't need

> to be so paranoid.

>

> Alias

 

 

hehehe...who said I was paranoid mr liar, mr troll?

Fear runs your little POS lying linux world, but not mine.

Live with it loser.

Frank

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:uCdph7SfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Of course not:

>>

>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of the

> bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast upgraders is the

> price of the software..

>

> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines and

> expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with even a

> modicum of intelligence would.

>

 

Obviously the guy in charge of Windows Product Management is lacking even a

modicum of intelligence for buying a high spec laptop that turned out to be

a brick.

 

 

Microsoft's own most senior executives were completely bamboozled by the

"Vista capable" labelling scheme. "I personally got burned by the Intel 915

chipset on a laptop that I PERSONALLY (e.g. with my own $$$) [bought]", said

Mike Nash, Corporate Vice President, Windows Product Management, who bought

a "Vista capable" laptop, only to find it couldn't run the Aero interface.

"I now have a $2100 email machine," he concluded.

 

> Mike Hall - MVP

> How to construct a good post..

> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

> Mike's Window - My Blog..

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:40:43 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" <kermos@nospammer.com> wrote in message

> news:PbWdnTvO_75Hu1HanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...

>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:41:23 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>> news:oe6dncf6k-IenFHanZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:02:45 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?

>>>> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of

>>>>> the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>>>

>>>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec

>>>>> machines and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles.

>>>>> Nobody with even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>>

>>>> Thing of it is mike, most people don't have any idea when it comes to

>>>> any of this and it isn't because they are necessarily stupid (though

>>>> I admit, sometimes that is the case). But still, I know lots of

>>>> people who are quite intelligent but when it comes to any kind of

>>>> computer hardware have absolutely no idea how it works.

>>>>

>>>> Like for instance, if they call me with a problem and my first

>>>> response is "How much memory do ya have?" and they come back with

>>>> "Uhhh, about 500 gigs" followed by a response from me "I meant your

>>>> RAM, not your hard drive space..." followed by "Uhh...I don't

>>>> know...what is RAM?"

>>>>

>>>> And just because they can't differentiate their hard drive capacity

>>>> from RAM doesn't make them stupid. They might be extremely skilled

>>>> and good at whatever else it is they do in life, computers just

>>>> simply isn't that thing.

>>>>

>>>> Let me ask you a question Mike.

>>>>

>>>> When you buy the car, do you know how it's internal works?

>>>>

>>>> Do you know how the engine works? How does your engine's ignition

>>>> timing affect it's performance? What kind of ignition system do you

>>>> have? What kind of spark plugs? How does your transmission work? How

>>>> does your EGR system work? How does it's electrical system work? What

>>>> kind of data bus (es) is/are used inside to communicate between your

>>>> cars various components?

>>>>

>>>> I could keep going with questions...how well can you answer those

>>>> about your car? Can you, like me, answer each question with complete

>>>> accuracy and detail or do you do what most people do: Trust and rely

>>>> the manufacturer to provide you with the necessary information needed

>>>> to make a good decision without needing to know all the above

>>>> details?

>>>>

>>>> Coincidentally, that's also what most people do when buying a

>>>> Computer, toaster, oven, desk lamp....

>>>>

>>>> I agree that nobody should go ignorant through life, and too many

>>>> people go do just that, however...nobody can be an expert at

>>>> everything.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Stephan

>>>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>>>>

>>>> å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯ å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

>>>

>>>

>>> Stephan

>>>

>>> When I lived in the UK and Spain, I drove sports cars too, lived for

>>> them, great fun.

>>>

>>> I live in Canada's snow zone presently, and it didn't take a fast

>>> track course in rocket science to know that a Triumph TR6 or BMW M635

>>> just wasn't going to cut it on snow covered concession roads. I dive

>>> a Jeep Grand Cherokee..

>>>

>>> I would dispute that any person, regardless of technical knowledge,

>>> seriously believes that a brand new $400 computer has the same

>>> capability as the $2000 model sitting alongside it.

>>

>> The matter is not if a $400 computer is as powerful as a $2,000

>> computer. Yes anyone with at least half a living braincell is going to

>> realize that difference.

>>

>> What many don't know though is *why* one is $400 and *why* the other is

>> $2,000. They only know one is "better" than the other but don't

>> understand the reasoning.

>>

>> Now if both of those have "Vista Capable" stickers on them, and someone

>> just wants a new computer. Why would this person spend $2,000 when a

>> $400 computer gives him the same thing with the same sticker? Remember,

>> that person doesn't understand the difference between the two

>> computers.

>>

>> To that person, both have the same sticker and are going to look

>> equally suitable which essentially in my opinion is what this whole

>> thing is about and where things become misleading.

>>

>> --

>> Stephan

>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>>

>> å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯ å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

>

>

> I could be wrong, but didn't the high end models have a 'Vista Premium

> Ready' sticker on them?

 

Most likely some did, some didn't. I have my doubts that it was or even

these days is in any way consistent.

 

--

Stephan

1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

 

å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯

å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

Frank wrote:

> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

 

"beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

> not an American.

 

Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

> In this country we have a presumption of innocence.

 

Except when it comes to WPA and WGA which assumes that you're a

pirate/thief until you prove otherwise. So, according to your logic,

Microsoft is unamerican.

 

Alias

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:16:09 +0000, Synapse Syndrome wrote:

><snip>

>> --

>> Stephan

>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>>

>> ???????????????

>> ?????????????

>

> I like your car.

>

 

Thanks!

 

She's still in need of some work but she's coming along pretty good.

 

Just rebuilt the passenger side headlight motor this past weekend.

Probably putting in a new fuel pressure regulator sometime this month to

hopefully solve the occasional hard cold starts I have.

 

That should iron out the last few minor mechanical annoyances to where I

can start focusing on the exterior / interior.

 

Redo the seats, new paintjob, new stereo / speakers, new window tint!

 

And maybe sometime in a year or two, drop out the V6 and put in a 4.9L V8

with a 6-speed manual. :)

 

--

Stephan

1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

 

å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯

å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

"Stephan Rose" <kermos@nospammer.com> wrote in message

news:PbWdnTrO_769plHanZ2dnUVZ_sUAAAAA@giganews.com...

> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:40:43 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> "Stephan Rose" <kermos@nospammer.com> wrote in message

>> news:PbWdnTvO_75Hu1HanZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...

>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:41:23 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:oe6dncf6k-IenFHanZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@giganews.com...

>>>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:02:45 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?

>>>>> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of

>>>>>> the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>>>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec

>>>>>> machines and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles.

>>>>>> Nobody with even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>>>

>>>>> Thing of it is mike, most people don't have any idea when it comes to

>>>>> any of this and it isn't because they are necessarily stupid (though

>>>>> I admit, sometimes that is the case). But still, I know lots of

>>>>> people who are quite intelligent but when it comes to any kind of

>>>>> computer hardware have absolutely no idea how it works.

>>>>>

>>>>> Like for instance, if they call me with a problem and my first

>>>>> response is "How much memory do ya have?" and they come back with

>>>>> "Uhhh, about 500 gigs" followed by a response from me "I meant your

>>>>> RAM, not your hard drive space..." followed by "Uhh...I don't

>>>>> know...what is RAM?"

>>>>>

>>>>> And just because they can't differentiate their hard drive capacity

>>>>> from RAM doesn't make them stupid. They might be extremely skilled

>>>>> and good at whatever else it is they do in life, computers just

>>>>> simply isn't that thing.

>>>>>

>>>>> Let me ask you a question Mike.

>>>>>

>>>>> When you buy the car, do you know how it's internal works?

>>>>>

>>>>> Do you know how the engine works? How does your engine's ignition

>>>>> timing affect it's performance? What kind of ignition system do you

>>>>> have? What kind of spark plugs? How does your transmission work? How

>>>>> does your EGR system work? How does it's electrical system work? What

>>>>> kind of data bus (es) is/are used inside to communicate between your

>>>>> cars various components?

>>>>>

>>>>> I could keep going with questions...how well can you answer those

>>>>> about your car? Can you, like me, answer each question with complete

>>>>> accuracy and detail or do you do what most people do: Trust and rely

>>>>> the manufacturer to provide you with the necessary information needed

>>>>> to make a good decision without needing to know all the above

>>>>> details?

>>>>>

>>>>> Coincidentally, that's also what most people do when buying a

>>>>> Computer, toaster, oven, desk lamp....

>>>>>

>>>>> I agree that nobody should go ignorant through life, and too many

>>>>> people go do just that, however...nobody can be an expert at

>>>>> everything.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Stephan

>>>>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>>>>>

>>>>> ??????????????? ?????????????

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Stephan

>>>>

>>>> When I lived in the UK and Spain, I drove sports cars too, lived for

>>>> them, great fun.

>>>>

>>>> I live in Canada's snow zone presently, and it didn't take a fast

>>>> track course in rocket science to know that a Triumph TR6 or BMW M635

>>>> just wasn't going to cut it on snow covered concession roads. I dive

>>>> a Jeep Grand Cherokee..

>>>>

>>>> I would dispute that any person, regardless of technical knowledge,

>>>> seriously believes that a brand new $400 computer has the same

>>>> capability as the $2000 model sitting alongside it.

>>>

>>> The matter is not if a $400 computer is as powerful as a $2,000

>>> computer. Yes anyone with at least half a living braincell is going to

>>> realize that difference.

>>>

>>> What many don't know though is *why* one is $400 and *why* the other is

>>> $2,000. They only know one is "better" than the other but don't

>>> understand the reasoning.

>>>

>>> Now if both of those have "Vista Capable" stickers on them, and someone

>>> just wants a new computer. Why would this person spend $2,000 when a

>>> $400 computer gives him the same thing with the same sticker? Remember,

>>> that person doesn't understand the difference between the two

>>> computers.

>>>

>>> To that person, both have the same sticker and are going to look

>>> equally suitable which essentially in my opinion is what this whole

>>> thing is about and where things become misleading.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Stephan

>>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>>>

>>> ??????????????? ?????????????

>>

>>

>> I could be wrong, but didn't the high end models have a 'Vista Premium

>> Ready' sticker on them?

>

> Most likely some did, some didn't. I have my doubts that it was or even

> these days is in any way consistent.

 

Some (a few manufactures) were putting "Vista Capable" stickers on systems

that might turn out to be "Vista Premium" -- Remember, this was happening

just as Release Candidate 2 was starting to be available. Actual RTM was

still 5 months away. No one knew what was in the RTM yet.

 

 

--

> Stephan

> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>

> ???????????????

> ?????????????

"Mikep" <mikep@NOSPAMturboware.com> wrote in message

news:uME8$XVfIHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:uCdph7SfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Of course not:

>>>

>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of the

>> bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast upgraders is

>> the price of the software..

>>

>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines and

>> expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with even a

>> modicum of intelligence would.

>>

>

> Obviously the guy in charge of Windows Product Management is lacking even

> a modicum of intelligence for buying a high spec laptop that turned out to

> be a brick.

>

>

> Microsoft's own most senior executives were completely bamboozled by the

> "Vista capable" labelling scheme. "I personally got burned by the Intel

> 915

> chipset on a laptop that I PERSONALLY (e.g. with my own $$$) [bought]",

> said

> Mike Nash, Corporate Vice President, Windows Product Management, who

> bought

> a "Vista capable" laptop, only to find it couldn't run the Aero interface.

> "I now have a $2100 email machine," he concluded.

>

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> How to construct a good post..

>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

>> Mike's Window - My Blog..

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

 

 

It certainly doesn't follow that all people working in a particular

organization know anything about the product. My guess would be that some of

the cleaners probably knew more about what Vista would run on.. :-)

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

Mike's Window - My Blog..

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

>

> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>

>> not an American.

>

> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

 

Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are two

different countries.

 

--

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1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

 

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:e%233$WHTfIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Of course not:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of

>>> the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>

>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines

>>> and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with

>>> even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>

>>>

>>

>> To you, MS can do no wrong. From the article:

>>

>> "That suit, which was granted class-action status just over a week

>> ago, claims Microsoft deceived consumers. According to the plaintiffs,

>> Microsoft knew that a large number of computers tagged with the "Vista

>> Capable" sticker would be able to run only Vista Home Basic, the

>> entry-level version that omits some of the operating system's

>> most-heavily touted features, including Aero, the flashy user interface."

>>

>> Alias

>

>

> I don't think that MS never does wrong, but I do think that end users,

> not just of Microsoft products incidentally, are part responsible for

> all of it too.

>

> One can't expect a $400 cheapie to do what a $2000 high end does. The

> class action lawsuits, so popular in the US, are the result of end users

> wanting to shift the blame for what they bought and get rich quick all

> at the same time.

>

> Of course, the lawyers love it, don't they. Long protracted cases where

> they do ever so much better than anybody else..

>

> While somebody gets recompense for the crappy cheap computer they

> bought, the lawyers are set up for life.. the Great American Dream where

> the end justifies the means..

>

> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>

 

Where was it ever clearly explained to your average, non-computer

literate consumers what the difference between Vista Capable and Vista

Ready means?

 

--

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

 

--

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>

>>> not an American.

>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>

> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are two

> different countries.

>

 

Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

*America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and every

single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas, is an

American. The fact that some of the less educated US citizens think they

are the only Americans is due to ...?

 

Alias

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:e%233$WHTfIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of

>>>> the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>>

>>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec

>>>> machines and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles.

>>>> Nobody with even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> To you, MS can do no wrong. From the article:

>>>

>>> "That suit, which was granted class-action status just over a week

>>> ago, claims Microsoft deceived consumers. According to the

>>> plaintiffs, Microsoft knew that a large number of computers tagged

>>> with the "Vista Capable" sticker would be able to run only Vista Home

>>> Basic, the entry-level version that omits some of the operating

>>> system's most-heavily touted features, including Aero, the flashy

>>> user interface."

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> I don't think that MS never does wrong, but I do think that end users,

>> not just of Microsoft products incidentally, are part responsible for

>> all of it too.

>>

>> One can't expect a $400 cheapie to do what a $2000 high end does. The

>> class action lawsuits, so popular in the US, are the result of end

>> users wanting to shift the blame for what they bought and get rich

>> quick all at the same time.

>>

>> Of course, the lawyers love it, don't they. Long protracted cases

>> where they do ever so much better than anybody else..

>>

>> While somebody gets recompense for the crappy cheap computer they

>> bought, the lawyers are set up for life.. the Great American Dream

>> where the end justifies the means..

>>

>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>

>

> Where was it ever clearly explained to your average, non-computer

> literate consumers what the difference between Vista Capable and Vista

> Ready means?

>

 

Here they're calling Basic "Vista Home".

 

Alias

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>

>

>>Frank wrote:

>>

>>

>>>That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

>>

>>"beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>

>>

>>>not an American.

>>

>>Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>

>

> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are two

> different countries.

>

 

hehehe...he's from mexico and hasn't yet figured that one out...LOL!

Frank

Alias wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

>>>

>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>

>>>> not an American.

>>>

>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>

>>

>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are two

>> different countries.

>>

>

> Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

> *America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and every

> single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas, is an

> American. The fact that some of the less educated US citizens think they

> are the only Americans is due to ...?

>

> Alias

 

Seeing as how you're proly from mexico it's easy to understand why you

don't know the difference between canada and America.

Frank

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> Where was it ever clearly explained to your average, non-computer

> literate consumers what the difference between Vista Capable and Vista

> Ready means?

>

 

I believe that MS had a training video for all stores and their

employees who would be selling computers with Vista already installed.

The store employees were supposed to be educated in the difference as to

what the different "stickers' on the computers meant. MS did make the

effort to get it out to all those involved in the sale of Vista loaded

computers. Obviously, some stores didn't have a very good follow thru on

the difference.

It's a tricky situation where the blame will be placed and will only be

sorted out by the courts...well maybe sorted out.

Frank

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@none.not> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:e%233$WHTfIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of

>>>> the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast upgraders

>>>> is the price of the software..

>>>>

>>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines

>>>> and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with

>>>> even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> To you, MS can do no wrong. From the article:

>>>

>>> "That suit, which was granted class-action status just over a week ago,

>>> claims Microsoft deceived consumers. According to the plaintiffs,

>>> Microsoft knew that a large number of computers tagged with the "Vista

>>> Capable" sticker would be able to run only Vista Home Basic, the

>>> entry-level version that omits some of the operating system's

>>> most-heavily touted features, including Aero, the flashy user

>>> interface."

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> I don't think that MS never does wrong, but I do think that end users,

>> not just of Microsoft products incidentally, are part responsible for all

>> of it too.

>>

>> One can't expect a $400 cheapie to do what a $2000 high end does. The

>> class action lawsuits, so popular in the US, are the result of end users

>> wanting to shift the blame for what they bought and get rich quick all at

>> the same time.

>>

>> Of course, the lawyers love it, don't they. Long protracted cases where

>> they do ever so much better than anybody else..

>>

>> While somebody gets recompense for the crappy cheap computer they bought,

>> the lawyers are set up for life.. the Great American Dream where the end

>> justifies the means..

>>

>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>

>

> Where was it ever clearly explained to your average, non-computer literate

> consumers what the difference between Vista Capable and Vista Ready means?

>

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> speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

> - Maura Corbett

>

> --

> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

>

 

 

Why, that friendly person in the computer store of course. You remember him?

don't you. The one who palmed you off with a printer which barely worked

with XP, let alone anything newer. I liked the part where he said "you don't

need a fast printer. The speed makes no difference at all" while standing in

front of a 200 unit pyramid of the darned things marked 'Manager's Special'.

:-)

 

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Alias wrote:

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:e%233$WHTfIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all

>>>>> of the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>>>

>>>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec

>>>>> machines and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles.

>>>>> Nobody with even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> To you, MS can do no wrong. From the article:

>>>>

>>>> "That suit, which was granted class-action status just over a week

>>>> ago, claims Microsoft deceived consumers. According to the

>>>> plaintiffs, Microsoft knew that a large number of computers tagged

>>>> with the "Vista Capable" sticker would be able to run only Vista

>>>> Home Basic, the entry-level version that omits some of the operating

>>>> system's most-heavily touted features, including Aero, the flashy

>>>> user interface."

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> I don't think that MS never does wrong, but I do think that end

>>> users, not just of Microsoft products incidentally, are part

>>> responsible for all of it too.

>>>

>>> One can't expect a $400 cheapie to do what a $2000 high end does. The

>>> class action lawsuits, so popular in the US, are the result of end

>>> users wanting to shift the blame for what they bought and get rich

>>> quick all at the same time.

>>>

>>> Of course, the lawyers love it, don't they. Long protracted cases

>>> where they do ever so much better than anybody else..

>>>

>>> While somebody gets recompense for the crappy cheap computer they

>>> bought, the lawyers are set up for life.. the Great American Dream

>>> where the end justifies the means..

>>>

>>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>>

>>

>> Where was it ever clearly explained to your average, non-computer

>> literate consumers what the difference between Vista Capable and Vista

>> Ready means?

>>

>

> Here they're calling Basic "Vista Home".

>

> Alias

 

LOL! Different names for different versions in different markets...Gee,

that's not confusing at all! <g>

 

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

> <none@none.not> wrote in message

> news:47cc4156$0$26061$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:e%233$WHTfIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all

>>>>> of the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>>>

>>>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec

>>>>> machines and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles.

>>>>> Nobody with even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> To you, MS can do no wrong. From the article:

>>>>

>>>> "That suit, which was granted class-action status just over a week

>>>> ago, claims Microsoft deceived consumers. According to the

>>>> plaintiffs, Microsoft knew that a large number of computers tagged

>>>> with the "Vista Capable" sticker would be able to run only Vista

>>>> Home Basic, the entry-level version that omits some of the operating

>>>> system's most-heavily touted features, including Aero, the flashy

>>>> user interface."

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> I don't think that MS never does wrong, but I do think that end

>>> users, not just of Microsoft products incidentally, are part

>>> responsible for all of it too.

>>>

>>> One can't expect a $400 cheapie to do what a $2000 high end does. The

>>> class action lawsuits, so popular in the US, are the result of end

>>> users wanting to shift the blame for what they bought and get rich

>>> quick all at the same time.

>>>

>>> Of course, the lawyers love it, don't they. Long protracted cases

>>> where they do ever so much better than anybody else..

>>>

>>> While somebody gets recompense for the crappy cheap computer they

>>> bought, the lawyers are set up for life.. the Great American Dream

>>> where the end justifies the means..

>>>

>>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>>

>>

>> Where was it ever clearly explained to your average, non-computer

>> literate consumers what the difference between Vista Capable and Vista

>> Ready means?

>>

>

> Why, that friendly person in the computer store of course. You remember

> him? don't you. The one who palmed you off with a printer which barely

> worked with XP, let alone anything newer. I liked the part where he said

> "you don't need a fast printer. The speed makes no difference at all"

> while standing in front of a 200 unit pyramid of the darned things

> marked 'Manager's Special'. :-)

>

 

LOL!

 

But seriously, you mean those computer stores like Walmart and Best Buy?

I'm sure that the specially trained associates in those stores have

always clearly explained the difference between vista capable and vista

ready.

 

The question was actually a serious question. Your average

computer-illiterate person will go to a Best Buy because they DO think

of it as a computer store, as a place that is an authority on selling

computers. They will see a label that says "Vista..." on a computer

(whether it says capable or ready) and assume, "oh, it has a Vista label

on it, it should run vista just fine. Besides, it comes preloaded with

Vista...". This kind of consumer will consider themselves an educated

shopper (when really they still have no clue). Do you disagree?

 

 

--

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

 

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>

>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

>>>>

>>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>>

>>>>> not an American.

>>>>

>>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>>

>>>

>>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are two

>>> different countries.

>>>

>>

>> Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

>> *America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and every

>> single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas, is an

>> American. The fact that some of the less educated US citizens think

>> they are the only Americans is due to ...?

>>

>> Alias

>

> Seeing as how you're proly from mexico it's easy to understand why you

> don't know the difference between canada and America.

> Frank

 

The fact that Canada, Mexico and the USA are part of North America

doesn't escape me at all but it sure seems to have escaped you!

 

Alias

Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:

>

>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

>>>

>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>

>>>

>>>> not an American.

>>>

>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>

>>

>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are two

>> different countries.

>>

>

> hehehe...he's from mexico and hasn't yet figured that one out...LOL!

> Frank

 

I never said they aren't separate countries, you doofus.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>>>

>>>>>> not an American.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are

>>>> two different countries.

>>>>

>>>

>>> Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

>>> *America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and every

>>> single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas, is an

>>> American. The fact that some of the less educated US citizens think

>>> they are the only Americans is due to ...?

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>

>> Seeing as how you're proly from mexico it's easy to understand why you

>> don't know the difference between canada and America.

>> Frank

>

>

> The fact that Canada, Mexico and the USA are part of North America

> doesn't escape me at all but it sure seems to have escaped you!

 

How is that? I said Canada is not part of America. It isn't. It's part

of North America.

As usual, you were wrong.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian

>>>>>>> beacon,

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> not an American.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are

>>>>> two different countries.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

>>>> *America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and every

>>>> single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas, is an

>>>> American. The fact that some of the less educated US citizens think

>>>> they are the only Americans is due to ...?

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>>

>>> Seeing as how you're proly from mexico it's easy to understand why

>>> you don't know the difference between canada and America.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> The fact that Canada, Mexico and the USA are part of North America

>> doesn't escape me at all but it sure seems to have escaped you!

>

> How is that? I said Canada is not part of America. It isn't. It's part

> of North America.

> As usual, you were wrong.

> Frank

 

Sigh, what a moron.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian

>>>>>>>> beacon,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> not an American.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are

>>>>>> two different countries.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

>>>>> *America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and every

>>>>> single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas, is an

>>>>> American. The fact that some of the less educated US citizens think

>>>>> they are the only Americans is due to ...?

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Seeing as how you're proly from mexico it's easy to understand why

>>>> you don't know the difference between canada and America.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The fact that Canada, Mexico and the USA are part of North America

>>> doesn't escape me at all but it sure seems to have escaped you!

>>

>>

>> How is that? I said Canada is not part of America. It isn't. It's part

>> of North America.

>> As usual, you were wrong.

>> Frank

>

>

> Sigh, what a moron.

 

hehehe...damn...you sure get your panties all bunched up when you

wrong...LOL!

Frank

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian

>>>>>>>>> beacon,

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> not an American.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They are

>>>>>>> two different countries.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

>>>>>> *America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and

>>>>>> every single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas, is

>>>>>> an American. The fact that some of the less educated US citizens

>>>>>> think they are the only Americans is due to ...?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Seeing as how you're proly from mexico it's easy to understand why

>>>>> you don't know the difference between canada and America.

>>>>> Frank

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> The fact that Canada, Mexico and the USA are part of North America

>>>> doesn't escape me at all but it sure seems to have escaped you!

>>>

>>>

>>> How is that? I said Canada is not part of America. It isn't. It's

>>> part of North America.

>>> As usual, you were wrong.

>>> Frank

>>

>>

>> Sigh, what a moron.

>

> hehehe...damn...you sure get your panties all bunched up when you

> wrong...LOL!

> Frank

 

I'm not, North, Central and South America are known by educated people

as the Americas and you live there but don't even understand where you

live. Just because the ego inflated uneducated US Americans think they

are the only Americans doesn't make it so.

 

Alias

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Frank wrote:

>>>

>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Alias wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:56:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian

>>>>>>>>>> beacon,

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> "beacon"? LOL, what a retard!

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> not an American.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Get this man an Atlas. Canada is in America, you doofus.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Actually Alias, Canada is next to the US, not in the US. They

>>>>>>>> are two different countries.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Um, there are three, North *America*, Central *America* and South

>>>>>>> *America*. Collectively, they are known as "The Americas" and

>>>>>>> every single person who lives in *any* country in The Americas,

>>>>>>> is an American. The fact that some of the less educated US

>>>>>>> citizens think they are the only Americans is due to ...?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alias

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Seeing as how you're proly from mexico it's easy to understand why

>>>>>> you don't know the difference between canada and America.

>>>>>> Frank

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The fact that Canada, Mexico and the USA are part of North America

>>>>> doesn't escape me at all but it sure seems to have escaped you!

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> How is that? I said Canada is not part of America. It isn't. It's

>>>> part of North America.

>>>> As usual, you were wrong.

>>>> Frank

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Sigh, what a moron.

>>

>>

>> hehehe...damn...you sure get your panties all bunched up when you

>> wrong...LOL!

>> Frank

>

>

> I'm not, North, Central and South America are known by educated people

> as the Americas...

 

I didn't say "Americas", or "The Americas"...I said America. You're now

into your desperate act and looking quite the fool...LOL!

 

and you live there but don't even understand where you

> live...

 

Are you drunk or on drugs or some medication? You're sounding like

you're nuts!

 

Just because the ego inflated uneducated US Americans think they

> are the only Americans doesn't make it so.

 

I hate to burst your ego inflated bubble but the only Americans who live

in America are Americans.

Frank

Frank wrote:

> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

> wrote:

>

>> Where was it ever clearly explained to your average, non-computer

>> literate consumers what the difference between Vista Capable and Vista

>> Ready means?

>>

>

> I believe that MS had a training video for all stores and their

> employees who would be selling computers with Vista already installed.

 

They should have showed this training video to the executives at

MickeyMouse, because obviously they were confused about wtf it was they

were selling the public. You did see the emails, didn't you?

> Frank

 

Cheers and LOL! Good Buddy.

 

 

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