Does Microsoft Care about its Customers?

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March 3, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

> Of course not:

>

>

> Alias

Your attention getting subject line and the content of that article

don't match.

You're just a lying linux loser.

Get lost you stupid fukkin troll!

Frank

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March 3, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>>

>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>

> Microsoft's motto, very well put.

>

> Alias

No, Mike is right as evidenced by the fact that the two plaintiff's who

filed the suit admitted they themselves were not victimized or mislead

by Microsoft. IOW's they're in it just for the money.

You, you're just a jealous, MS hating POS!

But we knew that already don't we.

You perfectly fit the definition of a real loser.

Frank

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March 3, 200817 yr

Alias wrote:

> What? wrote:

>

>> On the Bridge! wrote:

>>

>>> they used to, vista proved that they dont care anymore

>>>

>>

>> You can crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under, under

>> the *bridge* your sitting on, and you can take Alias with you.

>

> Are you Frank's son?

>

> Alias

>

I see that I've succeeded in infesting that little pea sized thing

between your ears that you call a brain...hahaha...LOL!

IOW's I own your stupid ignorant ass!

Frank

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March 3, 200817 yr

alias daddy is a pickle head...

Alias wrote:

> What? wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> What? wrote:

>>>

>>>> On the Bridge! wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> they used to, vista proved that they dont care anymore

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> You can crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under, under

>>>> the *bridge* your sitting on, and you can take Alias with you.

>>>

>>> Are you Frank's son?

>>>

>>

>> No honey, I am Frank's daddy, pickle head.

>

> Oh, OK, that clarifies it.

>

> Alias

>

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March 3, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>

>> Microsoft's motto, very well put.

>>

>> Alias

>

> No, Mike is right as evidenced by the fact that the two plaintiff's who

> filed the suit admitted they themselves were not victimized or mislead

> by Microsoft.

Got proof? Didn't think so.

> IOW's they're in it just for the money.

No, they were misled as the outcome of the suit will show.

> You, you're just a jealous, MS hating POS!

Jealous of what, pray tell?

> But we knew that already don't we.

"Know" and you is an oxymoron.

> You perfectly fit the definition of a real loser.

> Frank

I haven't lost a thing and my life is wonderful sooooooooooo, you're

wrong again, Frank.

Alias

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March 3, 200817 yr

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:12:04 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:

>

>> Of course not:

>>

>>

>> Alias

>

>Your attention getting subject line and the content of that article

>don't match.

>You're just a lying linux loser.

>Get lost you stupid fukkin troll!

>Frank

Our Village Idiot spews

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March 3, 200817 yr

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:02:45 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Of course not:

>>>

> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of the

>> bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast upgraders is

>> the price of the software..

>>

>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines

>> and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with

>> even a modicum of intelligence would.

>

> Thing of it is mike, most people don't have any idea when it comes to any

> of this and it isn't because they are necessarily stupid (though I admit,

> sometimes that is the case). But still, I know lots of people who are

> quite intelligent but when it comes to any kind of computer hardware have

> absolutely no idea how it works.

>

> Like for instance, if they call me with a problem and my first response

> is "How much memory do ya have?" and they come back with "Uhhh, about 500

> gigs" followed by a response from me "I meant your RAM, not your hard

> drive space..." followed by "Uhh...I don't know...what is RAM?"

>

> And just because they can't differentiate their hard drive capacity from

> RAM doesn't make them stupid. They might be extremely skilled and good at

> whatever else it is they do in life, computers just simply isn't that

> thing.

>

> Let me ask you a question Mike.

>

> When you buy the car, do you know how it's internal works?

>

> Do you know how the engine works? How does your engine's ignition timing

> affect it's performance? What kind of ignition system do you have? What

> kind of spark plugs? How does your transmission work? How does your EGR

> system work? How does it's electrical system work? What kind of data bus

> (es) is/are used inside to communicate between your cars various

> components?

>

> I could keep going with questions...how well can you answer those about

> your car? Can you, like me, answer each question with complete accuracy

> and detail or do you do what most people do: Trust and rely the

> manufacturer to provide you with the necessary information needed to make

> a good decision without needing to know all the above details?

>

> Coincidentally, that's also what most people do when buying a Computer,

> toaster, oven, desk lamp....

>

> I agree that nobody should go ignorant through life, and too many people

> go do just that, however...nobody can be an expert at everything.

>

> --

> Stephan

> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>

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> å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

Stephan

When I lived in the UK and Spain, I drove sports cars too, lived for them,

great fun.

I live in Canada's snow zone presently, and it didn't take a fast track

course in rocket science to know that a Triumph TR6 or BMW M635 just wasn't

going to cut it on snow covered concession roads. I dive a Jeep Grand

Cherokee..

I would dispute that any person, regardless of technical knowledge,

seriously believes that a brand new $400 computer has the same capability as

the $2000 model sitting alongside it.

What I do believe is that many people want something for nothing, and when

they don't get it, they try to shuffle the blame onto others..

--

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March 3, 200817 yr

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>>

>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>

> Microsoft's motto, very well put.

>

> Alias

Just Microsoft's? I don't think so..

--

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March 3, 200817 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message

> news:47cbf907$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...

>> they used to, vista proved that they dont care anymore

>>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Of course not:

>>>

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>

> All this proves is that bad marketing decisions won over good ones.. not

> uncommon in big business..

>

Some of the quotes are really quit revealing in terms of the attitude

towards end-users:

"Trying to 'educate' customers about features of an OS that is not available

may very well confuse them and may cause them to delay their purchase --

the exact opposite of what we want to see."

The above is saying that the *sale* is more important than the customer.

and:

"Less than 5% of customers typically upgrade OS," he said. "Let's not

confuse the masses for the sake of providing clarity to 'enthusiasts."

Which pretty much sums up the attitude Microsoft has to the "masses".

The "masses" just don't need nor can handle "clarity". It's quite alright

to leave the "masses" confused, as long as we make the sale.

Indeed this is not uncommon in big business. Actually, it is more the norm.

We witness this in all aspects of our lives where big business dominates

and is unable to see humanity as little more than an opportunity to profit

off them. It's what is driving our world to the brink of extinction.

Cheers.

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?

A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

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March 3, 200817 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:uOvFESTfIHA.1132@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>

>> Microsoft's motto, very well put.

>>

>> Alias

>

> Just Microsoft's? I don't think so..

>

I don't either.

Alias

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March 3, 200817 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Of course not:

>>

>>

>> Alias

>

> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of the

> bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast upgraders is the

> price of the software..

>

> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines and

> expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with even a

> modicum of intelligence would.

>

Especially when confronted with a PC at BestBuy that had a sticker on it

saying "Vista Capable" or "Vista Ready" carrying a MS logo. But the authors

of the emails already tell us that their concern wasn't for "enthusiasts"

but rather for the 95% of their customers who aren't "enthusiasts" and that

the *sale* is the all important thing. So your point is what?

Cheers.

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?

A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

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March 3, 200817 yr

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:12:04 -0800, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Of course not:

>>>

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>>Your attention getting subject line and the content of that article

>>don't match.

>>You're just a lying linux loser.

>>Get lost you stupid fukkin troll!

>>Frank

>

> Our Village Idiot spews

Well maybe YOU shouldn't open YOUR mouth!!

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March 3, 200817 yr

thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

>

> Our Village Idiot spews

So you too can't read you stupid moron queen of the village idiots...LOL!

Fool!

Frank

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March 3, 200817 yr

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Of course not:

>>>

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of the

>> bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast upgraders is

>> the

>> price of the software..

>>

>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines and

>> expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with even a

>> modicum of intelligence would.

>>

> Especially when confronted with a PC at BestBuy that had a sticker on it

> saying "Vista Capable" or "Vista Ready" carrying a MS logo. But the

> authors

> of the emails already tell us that their concern wasn't for "enthusiasts"

> but rather for the 95% of their customers who aren't "enthusiasts" and

> that

> the *sale* is the all important thing. So your point is what?

>

> Cheers.

>

> --

> What does Bill Gates use?

> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>

> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>

> Q: What OS is built for lusers?

> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

>

> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>

My point is that the consumer is ultimately responsible for ensuring that

the product is suitable for the purposes for which it will be used.

--

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March 3, 200817 yr

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:41:23 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

> news:oe6dncf6k-IenFHanZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@giganews.com...

>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:02:45 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Of course not:

>>>>

>> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of

>>> the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>

>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines

>>> and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with

>>> even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>

>> Thing of it is mike, most people don't have any idea when it comes to

>> any of this and it isn't because they are necessarily stupid (though I

>> admit, sometimes that is the case). But still, I know lots of people

>> who are quite intelligent but when it comes to any kind of computer

>> hardware have absolutely no idea how it works.

>>

>> Like for instance, if they call me with a problem and my first response

>> is "How much memory do ya have?" and they come back with "Uhhh, about

>> 500 gigs" followed by a response from me "I meant your RAM, not your

>> hard drive space..." followed by "Uhh...I don't know...what is RAM?"

>>

>> And just because they can't differentiate their hard drive capacity

>> from RAM doesn't make them stupid. They might be extremely skilled and

>> good at whatever else it is they do in life, computers just simply

>> isn't that thing.

>>

>> Let me ask you a question Mike.

>>

>> When you buy the car, do you know how it's internal works?

>>

>> Do you know how the engine works? How does your engine's ignition

>> timing affect it's performance? What kind of ignition system do you

>> have? What kind of spark plugs? How does your transmission work? How

>> does your EGR system work? How does it's electrical system work? What

>> kind of data bus (es) is/are used inside to communicate between your

>> cars various components?

>>

>> I could keep going with questions...how well can you answer those about

>> your car? Can you, like me, answer each question with complete accuracy

>> and detail or do you do what most people do: Trust and rely the

>> manufacturer to provide you with the necessary information needed to

>> make a good decision without needing to know all the above details?

>>

>> Coincidentally, that's also what most people do when buying a Computer,

>> toaster, oven, desk lamp....

>>

>> I agree that nobody should go ignorant through life, and too many

>> people go do just that, however...nobody can be an expert at

>> everything.

>>

>> --

>> Stephan

>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>>

>> å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„å‡ºã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯ å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

>

> Stephan

>

> When I lived in the UK and Spain, I drove sports cars too, lived for

> them, great fun.

>

> I live in Canada's snow zone presently, and it didn't take a fast track

> course in rocket science to know that a Triumph TR6 or BMW M635 just

> wasn't going to cut it on snow covered concession roads. I dive a Jeep

> Grand Cherokee..

>

> I would dispute that any person, regardless of technical knowledge,

> seriously believes that a brand new $400 computer has the same

> capability as the $2000 model sitting alongside it.

The matter is not if a $400 computer is as powerful as a $2,000 computer.

Yes anyone with at least half a living braincell is going to realize that

difference.

What many don't know though is *why* one is $400 and *why* the other is

$2,000. They only know one is "better" than the other but don't

understand the reasoning.

Now if both of those have "Vista Capable" stickers on them, and someone

just wants a new computer. Why would this person spend $2,000 when a $400

computer gives him the same thing with the same sticker? Remember, that

person doesn't understand the difference between the two computers.

To that person, both have the same sticker and are going to look equally

suitable which essentially in my opinion is what this whole thing is

about and where things become misleading.

--

Stephan

1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„å‡ºã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯

å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

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"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

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>>

> Some of the quotes are really quit revealing in terms of the attitude

> towards end-users:

>

> "Trying to 'educate' customers about features of an OS that is not

> available may very well confuse them and may cause them to delay their

> purchase -- the exact opposite of what we want to see."

>

This was a reference to store staff not being able to demonstrate or explain

features which could not be shown to the custoner at the point of sale

because the product in question was not availalble for demonstration..

> The above is saying that the *sale* is more important than the customer.

>

And with all respect, stores do push the 'sale' regardless of whether the

equipment is right for the consumer.

> and:

>

> "Less than 5% of customers typically upgrade OS," he said. "Let's not

> confuse the masses for the sake of providing clarity to 'enthusiasts."

>

> Which pretty much sums up the attitude Microsoft has to the "masses".

> The "masses" just don't need nor can handle "clarity". It's quite alright

> to leave the "masses" confused, as long as we make the sale.

>

The masses are not the ones being dumped here. The enthusiasts are, but

enthusiasts know more about what they are getting..

> Indeed this is not uncommon in big business. Actually, it is more the

> norm. We witness this in all aspects of our lives where big business

> dominates and is unable to see humanity as little more than an opportunity

> to profit off them. It's what is driving our world to the brink of

> extinction.

>

Big business has ALWAYS dominated. While many innovations/inventions come

from small business, they lack the resources to develop and manufacture.

--

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"Stephan Rose" <kermos@nospammer.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:41:23 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>

>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message

>> news:oe6dncf6k-IenFHanZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@giganews.com...

>>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:02:45 -0500, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Of course not:

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?

>>> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

>>>>>

>>>>> Alias

>>>>

>>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of

>>>> the bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast

>>>> upgraders is the price of the software..

>>>>

>>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines

>>>> and expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with

>>>> even a modicum of intelligence would.

>>>

>>> Thing of it is mike, most people don't have any idea when it comes to

>>> any of this and it isn't because they are necessarily stupid (though I

>>> admit, sometimes that is the case). But still, I know lots of people

>>> who are quite intelligent but when it comes to any kind of computer

>>> hardware have absolutely no idea how it works.

>>>

>>> Like for instance, if they call me with a problem and my first response

>>> is "How much memory do ya have?" and they come back with "Uhhh, about

>>> 500 gigs" followed by a response from me "I meant your RAM, not your

>>> hard drive space..." followed by "Uhh...I don't know...what is RAM?"

>>>

>>> And just because they can't differentiate their hard drive capacity

>>> from RAM doesn't make them stupid. They might be extremely skilled and

>>> good at whatever else it is they do in life, computers just simply

>>> isn't that thing.

>>>

>>> Let me ask you a question Mike.

>>>

>>> When you buy the car, do you know how it's internal works?

>>>

>>> Do you know how the engine works? How does your engine's ignition

>>> timing affect it's performance? What kind of ignition system do you

>>> have? What kind of spark plugs? How does your transmission work? How

>>> does your EGR system work? How does it's electrical system work? What

>>> kind of data bus (es) is/are used inside to communicate between your

>>> cars various components?

>>>

>>> I could keep going with questions...how well can you answer those about

>>> your car? Can you, like me, answer each question with complete accuracy

>>> and detail or do you do what most people do: Trust and rely the

>>> manufacturer to provide you with the necessary information needed to

>>> make a good decision without needing to know all the above details?

>>>

>>> Coincidentally, that's also what most people do when buying a Computer,

>>> toaster, oven, desk lamp....

>>>

>>> I agree that nobody should go ignorant through life, and too many

>>> people go do just that, however...nobody can be an expert at

>>> everything.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Stephan

>>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>>>

>>> å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„å‡ºã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯ å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

>>

>> Stephan

>>

>> When I lived in the UK and Spain, I drove sports cars too, lived for

>> them, great fun.

>>

>> I live in Canada's snow zone presently, and it didn't take a fast track

>> course in rocket science to know that a Triumph TR6 or BMW M635 just

>> wasn't going to cut it on snow covered concession roads. I dive a Jeep

>> Grand Cherokee..

>>

>> I would dispute that any person, regardless of technical knowledge,

>> seriously believes that a brand new $400 computer has the same

>> capability as the $2000 model sitting alongside it.

>

> The matter is not if a $400 computer is as powerful as a $2,000 computer.

> Yes anyone with at least half a living braincell is going to realize that

> difference.

>

> What many don't know though is *why* one is $400 and *why* the other is

> $2,000. They only know one is "better" than the other but don't

> understand the reasoning.

>

> Now if both of those have "Vista Capable" stickers on them, and someone

> just wants a new computer. Why would this person spend $2,000 when a $400

> computer gives him the same thing with the same sticker? Remember, that

> person doesn't understand the difference between the two computers.

>

> To that person, both have the same sticker and are going to look equally

> suitable which essentially in my opinion is what this whole thing is

> about and where things become misleading.

>

> --

> Stephan

> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

>

> å›ã®äº‹æ€ã„å‡ºã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯

> å›ã®äº‹å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

I could be wrong, but didn't the high end models have a 'Vista Premium

Ready' sticker on them?

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Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Of course not:

>>

>>

>> Alias

>

> Your attention getting subject line and the content of that article

> don't match.

You told us Francis that you *NEVER* click on links in a ng posting. Were

you lying? When will you stop lying?

Cheers.

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?

A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

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>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

March 3, 200817 yr

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:fqh6lt11tei@news5.newsguy.com...

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23POVrkRfIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Of course not:

>>>>

>>

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Enthusiasts would know what hardware spec they would need for all of the

>>> bells and whistles. The biggest problem facing enthusiast upgraders

>>> is the

>>> price of the software..

>>>

>>> Also, enthusiasts would not have been buying the lowest spec machines

>>> and

>>> expecting them to run all of the bells and whistles. Nobody with even a

>>> modicum of intelligence would.

>>>

>> Especially when confronted with a PC at BestBuy that had a sticker on it

>> saying "Vista Capable" or "Vista Ready" carrying a MS logo. But the

>> authors

>> of the emails already tell us that their concern wasn't for "enthusiasts"

>> but rather for the 95% of their customers who aren't "enthusiasts" and

>> that

>> the *sale* is the all important thing. So your point is what?

>>

>> Cheers.

>>

>> --

>> What does Bill Gates use?

>> http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl

>>

>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

>>

>> Q: What OS is built for lusers?

>> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

>>

>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

>>

>

> My point is that the consumer is ultimately responsible for ensuring

> that the product is suitable for the purposes for which it will be used.

>

And with Microsoft, buyer beware! Good advice, Mike.

Alias

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March 3, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:

>

>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>

>> Microsoft's motto, very well put.

>>

>> Alias

>

> No, Mike is right as evidenced by the fact that the two plaintiff's who

> filed the suit admitted they themselves were not victimized or mislead

> by Microsoft. IOW's they're in it just for the money.

As opposed to Microsoft, where money is the furthest thing from its mind.

Yeh, sure Francis. Any other fairy tales you want to tell us? More than

likely the plantifs won't receive any money, if they weren't "victims". But

maybe the courts will make MS pay out to those that indeed were victims of

MS's creative marketing? The courts will decide, certainly not YOU,

thankfully.

Of course in Francis' World, victims can go fuk themselves. The allmighty MS

deserves to screw consumers all it wants. Do you really advocate for Vista

users around here Francis, or are you just a mouthpiece for MS? Does MS pay

you? I know, a silly question. YOU do more harm for MS "respectability"

than any other poster on Usenet. That's why you've got the reputation as

being THE Usenet Village Idiot.

> Frank

Cheers and Keep Up the Advocacy. You're doing a *GREAT* job there Frankie

Boy.

--

What does Bill Gates use?

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?

A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:

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> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

March 3, 200817 yr

NoStop wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>>Of course not:

>>>

>

>

>>>

>>>Alias

>>

>>Your attention getting subject line and the content of that article

>>don't match.

>

> You told us Francis that you *NEVER* click on links in a ng posting. Were

> you lying? When will you stop lying?

>

> Cheers.

>

Are you really that stupid? I do not click on any links posted to any ng/s.

Never!

But that does not mean I don't go directly to URL's like CW.

You seem like a newbie to me?

Been doing this for very long doris...LOL!

Frank

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>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9066099&intsrc=hm_list

March 3, 200817 yr

Frank wrote:

> NoStop wrote:

>

>> Frank wrote:

>>

>>> Alias wrote:

>>>

>>>> Of course not:

>>>>

>>

>>

>>>>

>>>> Alias

>>>

>>> Your attention getting subject line and the content of that article

>>> don't match.

>>

>> You told us Francis that you *NEVER* click on links in a ng posting. Were

>> you lying? When will you stop lying?

>> Cheers.

>>

> Are you really that stupid? I do not click on any links posted to any ng/s.

> Never!

Being as you're running Windows, that's a good idea. Now, if you were

running a secure operating system like http://www.ubuntu.com, you wouldn't need

to be so paranoid.

Alias

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March 3, 200817 yr

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:fqhaq812u45@news2.newsguy.com...

> Frank wrote:

>

>> Alias wrote:

>>

>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> 'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>>

>>> Microsoft's motto, very well put.

>>>

>>> Alias

>>

>> No, Mike is right as evidenced by the fact that the two plaintiff's who

>> filed the suit admitted they themselves were not victimized or mislead

>> by Microsoft. IOW's they're in it just for the money.

>

> As opposed to Microsoft, where money is the furthest thing from its mind.

> Yeh, sure Francis. Any other fairy tales you want to tell us? More than

> likely the plantifs won't receive any money, if they weren't "victims".

> But

> maybe the courts will make MS pay out to those that indeed were victims of

> MS's creative marketing? The courts will decide, certainly not YOU,

> thankfully.

>

> Of course in Francis' World, victims can go fuk themselves. The allmighty

> MS

> deserves to screw consumers all it wants. Do you really advocate for Vista

> users around here Francis, or are you just a mouthpiece for MS? Does MS

> pay

> you? I know, a silly question. YOU do more harm for MS "respectability"

> than any other poster on Usenet. That's why you've got the reputation as

> being THE Usenet Village Idiot.

>

>> Frank

>

> Cheers and Keep Up the Advocacy. You're doing a *GREAT* job there Frankie

> Boy.

>

How about making computer vendors and retail store policy answer to false

and misleading claims.. If that problem can be overcome, then anybody who

buys a product that they find they can't or do not know how to use, will

prove to the world that stupidity is alive and well..

--

Mike Hall - MVP

How to construct a good post..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc

How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..

Mike's Window - My Blog..

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March 3, 200817 yr

NoStop wrote:

> Frank wrote:

>

>>Alias wrote:

>>

>>>Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>>>

>>>>'Stick 'em up and hand over the loot'.. :-)

>>>

>>>Microsoft's motto, very well put.

>>>

>>>Alias

>>

>>No, Mike is right as evidenced by the fact that the two plaintiff's who

>>filed the suit admitted they themselves were not victimized or mislead

>>by Microsoft. IOW's they're in it just for the money.

>

> As opposed to Microsoft, where money is the furthest thing from its mind.

Stupid sarcasm from an MS hating POS lying linux troll.

> Yeh, sure Francis.

No, not sure doris. You butt-fukkin loser.

Any other fairy tales you want to tell us?

Read the lawsuit you moron...if you can read.

More than

> likely the plantifs won't receive any money, if they weren't "victims".

Well duh!!! That's not the point you ignorant dipsh*t.

But

> maybe the courts will make MS pay out to those that indeed were victims of

> MS's creative marketing?

That is to be determined in court isn't it? You're a canadian beacon,

not an American. In this country we have a presumption of innocence.

The courts will decide, certainly not YOU,

> thankfully.

No sh*t sherlock!

Too bad you can't participate in the lawsuit right? You're too fukkin

broke to afford Vista...LOL!

You are the real definition of a lying POS linux toll.

>

> Of course in Francis' World, victims can go fuk themselves.

You don't speak for me so stop pretending that you do.

The allmighty MS

> deserves to screw consumers all it wants.

You're sick in the head!

Do you really advocate for Vista

> users around here Francis, or are you just a mouthpiece for MS?

If you've been here for any length of time you'd notice that I mainly go

after liars and troll...you and the few other losers who lie and troll

in this ng. I occasionally help. But I don't like to google for others.

Does MS pay

> you? I know, a silly question.

No, not silly just a stupid question.

YOU do more harm for MS "respectability"

> than any other poster on Usenet.

You may think so but most others don't.

That's why you've got the reputation as

> being THE Usenet Village Idiot.

I'm smarter and wealthier than you'll ever be and you know it.

>

Cheers and Keep Up the Advocacy. You're doing a *GREAT* job there Frankie

Boy.

I'll continue to expose you and your butt-buddies for the lying linux

trolls you are.

You can run, but [sic] you can't hide.

Frank

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